No joke. I've seen it.
Star Wars finally out on Bluray…then the Bad News
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Yes, changing a scene where Vader is watching his master slowly kill his son and regard them both, silently make the decision to save his son and grabbing the emperor and throwing him into the pit…into having him scream "noooo" as if this was somehow a surprise to him, making the emperor somehow deaf and killing the mood of the climactic scene is fine guys.
I've always loved that quick almost zoom right into Vader's face in the middle of the Emperor killing Luke, even though he's wearing a big helmetmask you can almost see 100's of emotions in it as he's watching. Like the exact moment of decision.
Honestly the worst part about the "nooooo NOOOOO" isn't even that it's stupid and hamfisted as fuck, or a harbinger of more awful shit to come (I heard a rumor that Lucas was considering replacing puppets Yoda and Jabba in the originals as CGI), but the worst part is simply that it's fucking FUNNY. It makes me want to just laugh like hell in the absolute worst possible part of the entirity of the six movies.
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@Monkey:
Honestly the worst part about the "nooooo NOOOOO" isn't even that it's stupid and hamfisted as fuck, or a harbinger of more awful shit to come (I heard a rumor that Lucas was considering replacing puppets Yoda and Jabba in the originals as CGI), but the worst part is simply that it's fucking FUNNY. It makes me want to just laugh like hell in the absolute worst possible part of the entirity of the six movies.
Speaking of hilarity, no one's even mentioned this altered scene yet.
Lucas, please refrain from inserting anymore Looney Tunes soundbites into your movies.
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There's a certain level where the complaints about the changes are justified and right in there, and there's a certain level where they're just nitpicky.
Like, I think Greedo shooting first is fucking bananas. It actually alters the plot and character progression of Han. When Han shoots first, he's a ruthless pirate who would kill a man with little hesitation, and he changes as the movie goes on. The Greedo shooting first just cheapens that.
On the other hand, people complaining about the Ewok change are really nitpicky and idiotic. They just added in blinking. That's it. The Ewoks blink now. It's so seamlessly integrated that I had to be told that the suits didn't originally do that to understand that it was changed.
Case-in-point.
@Cyber-Robin:Not sure what the change is with the Ewok scene posted. Been so long since I seen that scene anyways.
I honestly think it looks BETTER that they blink now. They look more realistic that way… as realistic as a set of moving Teddy bears can look...
George Lucas made these movies, they're his. He can change them as much as he wants. IMO it's fine as long as he gives us the original unaltered ones. And look, it took a ton of goading to finally get him to do it, but he did. I have them on DVD. They're a "Bonus Feature" on the 2nd disc of my DVD set, but I have them. The version of Episode IV on here even says "STAR WARS" on the title crawl without the "Episode IV A NEW HOPE" part added.
I'm indifferent to the "No... NOOOO!" from Vader, because... when I watched it, it seemed to fit to me... It didn't seem funny, I dunno. It was nowhere NEAR as ridiculous as the "NOOOOOOOOOOOO!" Frankenvader scene from Episode III...
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@Monkey:
ahahahahahahahahahahaha
HEY GUYZ WHY DOES KANE WHISPER ROSEBUD, HE SHOULD YELL IT REALLY LOUD AND OVEREMOTIVELY, AND THE SNOWGLOBE SHOULD EXPLODE WHEN IT HITS THE FLOOR, AND A CGI ANIMATED SLED VOICED BY JERRY SEINFELD WITH GOOGLY EYES SHOULD MAKE A WISECRACK ABOUT THE DUST BOWLWHAT???
WHAT IS A "SUTELLTY"??? WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT???
You have the dramatic sense of a five year old.
Shut up Buuhan.Ummm… what? Should I even be bothering responding to you?
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Speaking of hilarity, no one's even mentioned this altered scene yet.
Lucas, please refrain from inserting anymore Looney Tunes soundbites into your movies.
New Star Wars audio tracks revealed.
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Ummm… what? Should I even be bothering responding to you?
Just draw me being cummed on and we call it a tie.
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@Monkey:
Just draw me being cummed on and we call it a tie.
Awww, does trolling make you feel special? That's so cute~
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I honestly don't mind the CG Yoda in Ep1. That puppet looked like shit and the half assed "he's younger" explanation was bullshit from the getgo.
Uhh..do you guys need a room?
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You know enough cuts and edits and Lucas will actually make the original Star Wars movies entertaining in all the wrong ways.
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I honestly don't mind the CG Yoda in Ep1. That puppet looked like shit and the half assed "he's younger" explanation was bullshit from the getgo.
Uhh..do you guys need a room?
CGI Yoda in Phantom Menace is definitely a good change.
The Puppet in Empire was awesome. It fit and worked so well. I don't know if it was just a better made puppet, if the crew working it was better, or if the dark damp lighting of Dagobah hid more flaws than the nice bright lighting the puppet in PM was, but the one in PM was just terrible in comparison. I'd honestly say it was probably a combination of all 3 of those things.
CGI Yoda will look better than the terrible puppet in PM original and will fit in with the rest of the prequels at least.
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Come the next Empire strikes Back release Lukes hand will only get lightly charred, and Vader will mutter "I'm sorry son" as Luke falls. After all, no one except rabid fanboys would mind.
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It's sad that this edit captures the spirit of the original scene more than the Blu-Ray Edit.
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@The:
Lucas, why couldn't you just stick with changes like the Emperors force lightning hitting Vader as he throws him?
Pretty sure that's always been that way.
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I always found it strange that they used a puppet for Yoda in PM in the first place. I mean, there was all kinds of crazy CG creatures running around in that movie. Maybe because Yoda was in it so little they felt the time it would have took for CG would have been a waste?
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Speaking of hilarity, no one's even mentioned this altered scene yet.
Lucas, please refrain from inserting anymore Looney Tunes soundbites into your movies.
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Yeah, CG Yoda in PM is one of the things I think nobody should really have a problem with.
The Original Trilogy is one thing, but the Prequels are just… the prequels... why anyone cares that he's fucking with those is beyond me.
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Lucas undeniabely ruined one of the best scenes of the movie.
I have rewatched the altered Vader scene and there are a lot of problems:Music: The scene and the music have to work together. Adding the voice over contradicts the flow of the film.
Directing: The first "no" contradicts his body language because he was still hesitating. Why the hell didn't the emperor hear him ? Typical Lucas shitty direction. -
Lucas undeniabely ruined one of the best scenes of the movie.
I have rewatched the altered Vader scene and there are a lot of problems:Music: The scene and the music have to work together. Adding the voice over contradicts the flow of the film.
Directing: The first "no" contradicts his body language because he was still hesitating. Why the hell didn't the emperor hear him ? Typical Lucas shitty direction.I've read that the "Nooo!" scene we've seen is partially fake. The Audio is real, and is leaked from what will be on the Blu-ray, but however it leaked it didn't come with Video, so whoever put it on youtube and the like Synced it themselves to the DVD. I don't know if there is a version that got released that's official from the Blu-ray or not, but either way it's enough that I'd hold judgment on how his "Body Language" lines up.
Also, I saw the scene a few times now, and I think it makes sense. The first "No…" was very low, I completely buy that Palpatine couldn't hear it over the lightning.
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Don't have a problem with the CGI Yoda, but unlike most people, I don't hate the Prequels. Granted, there were some major problems with the action scenes, and Hayden Christensen was a terrible choice for Anakin, but it told the story enough to be passable. Maybe I just love Star Wars too much to hate the actual films themselves.
The Krayt Dragon scare thing is ridiculous. It sounds like it's getting a hummer from Obi-Wan rather than being imitated by him. It actually sounds like the electric ejaculation that R2-D2 gets whenever he gets shocked…
The "Nooooo" thing with Darth Vader... It's not necessary. I'll put it that way. They should have kept the scene the way it was, with Anakin making a silent, moral decision, rather than verbally voicing his intention to act. It seems forced to have him speaking and then acting, rather than just grabbing the Emperor and chucking him over the balcony.
And the Ewoks blinking... was it said they don't blink? I don't remember reading anything about them that said they don't have eyelids.
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Goddamn, James Earl Jones must have felt dumb when he read Nooo!
I would feel sorry for him, but his wallet is fat with money now, so he's happy that he sacrificed his dignity to utter that line one more time.
Bill rendition of what happen at the audio recording
Lucas: Come on, say it!
Jones: No…..
Lucas: Then your not getting the money then!
Jones: Nooo!
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However, it still contradicts the flow of the scene (music). In the OT, I could never imagine Vader screaming "no!!!!" because his mystery and silence (curiosity) were part of his awesomness.
Lucas seems to be doing this only to show the finger to the reasonable fans. He even added Jar Jar in Star Tours 2 and replaced the original Star Tours.
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Goddamn, James Earl Jones must have felt dumb when he read Nooo!
I would feel sorry for him, but his wallet is fat with money now, so he's happy that he sacrificed his dignity to utter that line one more time.
Bill rendition of what happen at the audio recording
Lucas: Come on, say it!
Jones: No…..
Lucas: Then your not getting the money then!
Jones: Nooo!
I've read that it wasn't a re-recording, but rather a splice of the line from the end of Revenge of the Sith. Either way, it was a poor choice.
Plus, the only actor that hated the Star Wars media was Alec Guinness, something that makes me a little saddened. I don't care if you're piss-poor, don't take a role that you hate. Or even if you do, learn to at least tolerate it. We pay actors and professional athletes way too much money to simply perform a role and not support it, for better or for worse, in the times following it. You have no right to be arrogant for the compensation you are being given. You're not curing cancer, you're not developing an alternative energy source that could free up natural resources, you're simply entertaining us. Stand by it, or step down.
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Lucas seems to be doing this only to show the finger to the reasonable fans. He even added Jar Jar in Star Tours 2 and replaced the original Star Tours.
Ok, that's just ridiculous and absurd. Blaming George Lucas for every bad thing you perceive as happening in this franchise. How do you know it was his idea in the first place to redo Star Tours? Were you there? How do you know Disney weren't the ones to approach him and say "Hey, we wana update Star Tours"?! The ride WAS getting rather old, and a new generation of kids going into the Park have been growing up on the prequels. I could EASILY See Disney as the instigators on this one. Disney's "Imagineers" had a large hand in construction and creation of the new ride according to all the making-of stuff I can find.
I hate how Star Wars fans have turned George Lucas into this soulless boogeyman who hates the films and fans and wants to stab them at every turn.
@Fire Fist:
I've read that it wasn't a re-recording, but rather a splice of the line from the end of Revenge of the Sith. Either way, it was a poor choice.
There's also the fact that, any time you see a scene in a movie, or a line of dialog recorded, I guarantee you they recorded it at least 10 more times in a few different ways to give the editors variety. They probably just took "No"s that he recorded in different takes for Sith.
@Fire Fist:
Plus, the only actor that hated the Star Wars media was Alec Guinness, something that makes me a little saddened.
Not true. He didn't hate the role and begrudgingly take a role that he hated for the money. He enjoyed the role, he liked the idea of being an "Old mentor" type. Everyone who talks about him on set says he was enjoying himself, and was nothing but the most professional and courteous actor any of them had ever worked with.
Of the films, he said "It's a pretty staggering film as spectacle and technically brilliant. Exciting, very noisy and warm-hearted" and called it a "Vivid Experience".His animosity towards Star Wars came later. The sudden fame and association he had gained with the role of Obi-wan caused him grief, because he'd had this HUGE body of work, but all anyone ever asked him about was Star Wars.
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@Fire Fist:
I've read that it wasn't a re-recording, but rather a splice of the line from the end of Revenge of the Sith. Either way, it was a poor choice.
Plus, the only actor that hated the Star Wars media was Alec Guinness, something that makes me a little saddened. I don't care if you're piss-poor, don't take a role that you hate. Or even if you do, learn to at least tolerate it. We pay actors and professional athletes way too much money to simply perform a role and not support it, for better or for worse, in the times following it. You have no right to be arrogant for the compensation you are being given. You're not curing cancer, you're not developing an alternative energy source that could free up natural resources, you're simply entertaining us. Stand by it, or step down.
Absolutely brillant, you nailed it all right.
Our society is taking entertainment way too seriously. I love movies and Basket ball but not to the point I consider it as a religion.
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@Fire Fist:
I've read that it wasn't a re-recording, but rather a splice of the line from the end of Revenge of the Sith. Either way, it was a poor choice.
Plus, the only actor that hated the Star Wars media was Alec Guinness, something that makes me a little saddened. I don't care if you're piss-poor, don't take a role that you hate. Or even if you do, learn to at least tolerate it. We pay actors and professional athletes way too much money to simply perform a role and not support it, for better or for worse, in the times following it. You have no right to be arrogant for the compensation you are being given. You're not curing cancer, you're not developing an alternative energy source that could free up natural resources, you're simply entertaining us. Stand by it, or step down.
Guinness didn't hate Star Wars, he was only afraid that he might be only remembered for that role, that and he didn't really like the impact it had.
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I agree with Demon Rin here. George Lucas doesn't hate his work. Quite the contrary. His daughter Katie has even actually written scripts for episodes of the Clone Wars. The pressure of outside influences can easily influence one's decisions in such things as Star Tours 2. You don't know the whole story until you've actually done your research. Taking the media's word on blind faith is the reason that Lucas has been condemned.
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@Monkey:
I like how people like Cuddles and Buuhan are only capable of making their contrarian whining on the basis of "oh people just hate it because it's not in the original" when the problem with 90% of the shit in the newer editions and prequels has everything to do with basic cinematic and dramatic incompetence and nothing to do with fanboy purism
But of course as people who don't think the crux moment of an entire series having extremely hilarious qasi soap opera cheese thrown on to it is a problem, you're probably outright incapable of arguing on the basis of basic film critique.
Case in point, the 97' special edition actually improved some stuff.
I dare ANYONE to say that the new Jedi ending from 97' (where they added
, over , and added galaxy wide scenes of celebration as opposed to just the isolated rebels on Endor dancing with bears) isn't an improvement. It's a dramatic masterstroke that makes for a far better ending than the original.I have to admit that is an improvement over the original, kinda like the new extended ending drawn/written by Toriyama for the 2004 rerelease of DB.
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I'm just gonna put this out right here: Star Wars was as big a part of my childhood as pretty much everyone else here. I was introduced through the special editions. That started my little obsession, along with a lot of my classmates. I enjoyed The Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones. Obviously, I hadn't acquired a little something called good taste. Even re-watching scenes with Hayden Christiansen's (sp?) wooden acting and whining make me cringe. I even tried Revenge of the Sith with the bootleg subtitles, which made the movie a lot funnier.
Anyway, the point I was trying to get to: As someone who wasn't familiar with the original trilogy, I didn't see why the hardcore Star Wars fans were getting all bent out of shape about the changes Lucas made in the special editions. Watching James Rolfe's review about it sort of cleared things up for me. I think a lot of their complaints were justified about Greedo shooting first and how a lot of the added scenes seemed a little awkward. I also agree that CGI replacing the stop motion models was a little unnecessary, because I was surprised to see how well Industrial Light and Magic's special effects held up after watching the Indiana Jones trilogy.
From what I've seen of the changes for the Blu-Ray release, I've gotta agree that Darth Vader's "No!" in Return of the Jedi is pretty unnecessary, since that scene was powerful enough.
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I love how Return of the Jedi was always the weakest movie of the old trilogy, but Lucas keeps dragging it down to prequel quality with each rerelease.
I actually thought the new ending theme is much better and more appropriate for an 3 part space adventure. But then there are cartoony CGI creatures singing into the camera, afterwards new emo Anakin ghost from the prequels looking creepy as fuck and now the whole climax of the movie (and old trilogy as a whole) is ruined…. (and even more CGI shit at Jabbas palace) -
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@Fire Fist:
Plus, the only actor that hated the Star Wars media was Alec Guinness, something that makes me a little saddened.
He liked the role just fine, later on he hated what it did to his legacy.
Between 1934 and 1976 (so, a 40 year career BEFORE Starwars, and he kept doing stuff for 20 years afterward…)
Murder by Death
Caesar and Cleopatra
The Gift of Friendship
Hitler: The Last Ten Days
Brother Sun, Sister Moon
Scrooge
Cromwell
ITV Saturday Night Theatre
Twelfth Night
The Comedians
The Quiller Memorandum
Hotel Paradiso
Doctor Zhivago
Situation Hopeless... But Not Serious
The Fall of the Roman Empire
Lawrence of Arabia
H.M.S. Defiant
A Majority of One
Tunes of Glory
Our Man in Havana
Startime (TV series)
The Wicked Scheme of Jebal Deeks
The Scapegoat
The Horse's Mouth
All at Sea
The Bridge on the River Kwai
The Swan
The Ladykillers
Baker's Dozen (TV movie)
The Prisoner
To Paris with Love
The Detective
Malta Story
The Captain's Paradise
The Square Mile (short)
The Promoter
The Man in the White Suit
The Lavender Hill Mob
The Mudlark
Last Holiday
A Run for Your Money
Kind Hearts and Coronets
Oliver Twist
Great Expectations
EvensongYeah. Its a damn shame Star Wars overshadows everything else he did. Can you blame him, if you had that kind of backlog, and people only remembered one thing you did?
I don't care if you're piss-poor, don't take a role that you hate. Or even if you do, learn to at least tolerate it.
You aren't a professional artist are you? Sometimes you got to take crappy jobs just to pay the bills. Be you a painter, a writer, a sculptor, a hairdresser, an actor, or any other artist, its INCREDIBLY rare someone has the talent, clout and fanbase to just pick and choose their projects and always be pleased with the final results. And many, many, many artists suffer and never get a break and do three jobs while trying to succeed and fail without ever being in anything and living on no money at all.
We pay actors and professional athletes way too much money to simply perform a role and not support it, for better or for worse, in the times following it.
So how often do you go to the grocery store at 3 AM only to be recognized by someone and then have to deal with them asking you did in school 10 years ago? On a daily basis? Every time you go out into public?
You have no right to be arrogant for the compensation you are being given.
So. You take a job just so you can earn 200$ to pay for a broken window. And then you go back to your crappy day job washing dishes to pay your rent?
And he never complained about the money (in fact I think he actually went with an offer to get a percentage of merchandising, wwhich was offerred to all the actors but only he took, so Star Wars was extremely lucrative for him) but about the fact that… his entire 60 year career no longer existed after Star Wars. Instead he was just in that one movie.
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Don't blame Alec at all. You're acting like Alec was some insufferable, ungrateful cunt about it. I'd be pissed as hell if I had a resume like that and all you get recognised for nowadays is some geeky subculture that's gone mainstream.
I remember that thing with the kid at some expo who wanted and autograph, telling him he'd watched it over a hundred times, and Alec tells him he can have one, but, for the good of his health and you know life, to stop watching it and get out there and do things. And the mum had a fit. I mean I can see okay it's just a kid but he had a point.
I guess okay there was that thing about him getting so fed up he threw fanmail out, but he has a right to emotions. He's obviously gonna feel annoyed at constantly being bombarded with mail for one role. Nobody likes to be typecast, all actors fear it, cause it pins them down.
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Don't blame Alec at all. You're acting like Alec was some insufferable, ungrateful cunt about it. I'd be pissed as hell if I had a resume like that and all you get recognised for nowadays is some geeky subculture that's gone mainstream.
Considering that 99% of all actors would kill for a role half as memorable as Obi Wan Kenobi, he kinda does sound like a bitch. Yeah Alec, it sucks that your entire body of work has been overshadowed by this one role, but you see that middle aged waiter over their? He's been acting for as long as you and the most he's known for is a extra in the movie "Paint your Wagon", suck it up McGuiness.
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you see that middle aged waiter over their? He's been acting for as long as you and the most he's known for is a extra in the movie "Paint your Wagon", suck it up McGuiness.
Then clearly that actor didn't do anything worth noting, and its hard to believe he had a 60 year career. Certainly wasn't in Lawrence of Arabia or Doctor Zhivago.
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@RobbyBevard:
He liked the role just fine, later on he hated what it did to his legacy.
Between 1934 and 1976 (so, a 40 year career BEFORE Starwars, and he kept doing stuff for 20 years afterward…)
Murder by Death
Caesar and Cleopatra
The Gift of Friendship
Hitler: The Last Ten Days
Brother Sun, Sister Moon
Scrooge
Cromwell
ITV Saturday Night Theatre
Twelfth Night
The Comedians
The Quiller Memorandum
Hotel Paradiso
Doctor Zhivago
Situation Hopeless... But Not Serious
The Fall of the Roman Empire
Lawrence of Arabia
H.M.S. Defiant
A Majority of One
Tunes of Glory
Our Man in Havana
Startime (TV series)
The Wicked Scheme of Jebal Deeks
The Scapegoat
The Horse's Mouth
All at Sea
The Bridge on the River Kwai
The Swan
The Ladykillers
Baker's Dozen (TV movie)
The Prisoner
To Paris with Love
The Detective
Malta Story
The Captain's Paradise
The Square Mile (short)
The Promoter
The Man in the White Suit
The Lavender Hill Mob
The Mudlark
Last Holiday
A Run for Your Money
Kind Hearts and Coronets
Oliver Twist
Great Expectations
EvensongYeah. Its a damn shame Star Wars overshadows everything else he did. Can you blame him, if you had that kind of backlog, and people only remembered one thing you did?
I know he had a huge list of films on his resume. I've seen quite a few of those, actually. That was not my point, though. For the record, Adam West was typecast after Batman, but at least he wasn't nearly as bitter about it. He found other work, and now has a minor role voicing the Mayor in his likeness on Family Guy. Seth McFarlane has specifically requested that no mention of Batman be made on Family Guy, but it doesn't mean that Adam West hated the role.
You aren't a professional artist are you? Sometimes you got to take crappy jobs just to pay the bills. Be you a painter, a writer, a sculptor, a hairdresser, an actor, or any other artist, its INCREDIBLY rare someone has the talent, clout and fanbase to just pick and choose their projects and always be pleased with the final results. And many, many, many artists suffer and never get a break and do three jobs while trying to succeed and fail without ever being in anything and living on no money at all.
When I'm not at my regular job, I fix people's computers for extra money, and I do take most jobs. But the difference is I'm not disgusted by fixing people's computers. I can sit down their laptop or desktop, run some scans or run an install, have a beer and watch a DVD on my other machine. Or if there's a real bad problem, I'll do research to fix it. I enjoy what I do, regardless of the job I'm performing within the field.
The only thing that disgusts me about a job is the management. The fans, the critics, the customers… they don't bother me in the least. They're job security. They're what gives me the ability to have work. Yes, I'm taking what I can get, but I'm also taking enjoyment in it.
So how often do you go to the grocery store at 3 AM only to be recognized by someone and then have to deal with them asking you did in school 10 years ago? On a daily basis? Every time you go out into public?
Quite a bit more than you think. This is a fairly large town, but I've lived here all my life, and I inevitably run into people I know or my family knows. Plus, I work in customer service. People ask me that sort of crap every day…
So. You take a job just so you can earn 200$ to pay for a broken window. And then you go back to your crappy day job washing dishes to pay your rent?
And he never complained about the money (in fact I think he actually went with an offer to get a percentage of merchandising, wwhich was offerred to all the actors but only he took, so Star Wars was extremely lucrative for him) but about the fact that… his entire 60 year career no longer existed after Star Wars. Instead he was just in that one movie.
There are several artists who are remembered for a single work. If he's so arrogant that he has to be offended by that, he needs to get off his high horse. Leaving a legacy behind is just that, whether you're remembered for many small things or one great thing. It's still a legacy. Granted, as a writer in my spare time, I can understand the disappointment at having most of your works ignored in favor of one great one, but that's just the way the entertainment industry goes. Anyone should be aware of that going into it. Hollywood is not kind.
I never said he complained about the money, my point was that considering how much he is being given (and especially with the fact that merchandising offer was only taken by him), you honestly sound like a child whining for more candy when you condemn something simply because it overshadows your other works.
He did have a very good point when he told the kid to stop watching it. There's a fine line between enjoying something and being obsessed. Granted, he could have been nicer about it.
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@RobbyBevard:
Then clearly that actor didn't do anything worth noting, and its hard to believe he had a 60 year career. Certainly wasn't in Lawrence of Arabia or Doctor Zhivago.
Considering how competitive show business is, he could easily have crummy luck.Their are thousand's of actors out their who would be happy just to get a damn commercial gig. If you're one of the few who actually made it in the industry and start complaining about how one of the many roles you played is remembered over all the other roles you played than yes, you are going to sound like a gigantic bitch, and it's going to rub people the wrong way.
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Guinness getting typecast considering his career (Dude was Hitler) always struck me as odd considering how Mark Hamil's been making out.
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Guyver should have gotten a trilogy.
Also Alec Guinness is a class act.
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I honestly can't believe especially after Rupert's huge fucking list of what Guinness did, there's still a case being put forward that he's a dickhead. Do you imagine how frustrating it would be to do all those things, move in those circles, get knighted and only be remembered with "Alec Guinness? Thesearenotthedroidsyou'relookingfor lol lmfao" ?
So what? An actor is turned off by the fan addiction. Happens all the time, always will. Just because you personally feel a little insulted that he didn't sit down and jerk off to screencaps of R2D2 in his spare time doesn't make him a bad person.
@Cyan:
Guinness getting typecast considering his career (Dude was Hitler) always struck me as odd considering how Mark Hamil's been making out.
Isn't Hamil typecast? I mean I know some people could name him as The Joker now, but I don't think he'll ever get out of the shadow of Luke Skywalker.
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Isn't Hamil typecast? I mean I know some people could name him as The Joker now, but I don't think he'll ever get out of the shadow of Luke Skywalker.
What are you talking about, he'll always be Max Reed, ace agent to me.
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@Cyan:
Guinness getting typecast considering his career (Dude was Hitler) always struck me as odd considering how Mark Hamil's been making out.
As primarily a voice actor?
Doing voices that sound nothing at all like Luke Skywalker?
@Fire Fist:
For the record, Adam West was typecast after Batman, but at least he wasn't nearly as bitter about it. He found other work, and now has a minor role voicing the Mayor in his likeness on Family Guy.
You realize Batman was 45 years ago, that he had very little work before that, had almost no work after that aside from one episode walk on gag roles, and that he's pretty much… still playing the same character. Just with his own name attached. He's still typecast Batman 4 decades later, just as "Adam West, the guy that acts like crazy Batman."
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@RobbyBevard:
As primarily a voice actor?
Doing voices that sound nothing at all like Luke Skywalker?
Most modern people probably know him better as the Joker than Luke Skywalker. But to his credit, he has had a lot of voice acting roles in other cartoons.
You realize Batman was 45 years ago, that he had very little work before that, had almost no work after that aside from one episode walk on gag roles, and that he's pretty much… still playing the same character. Just with his own name attached. He's still typecast Batman 4 decades later, just as "Adam West, the guy that acts like crazy Batman."
Doesn't mean he didn't have a little fun with it.
I'll just drop it. For the record, I've seen Lawrence of Arabia several times. Love it. Alec Guinness was brilliant in it as the Prince. He even looked and sounded like the real Faisal. Amazing performance.
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Well, I skimmed through the 5 pages and didn't see it posted, but this made me smile.
@1988's:
My name is George Lucas. I am a writer, director, and producer of motion pictures and Chairman of the Board of Lucasfilm Ltd., a multi-faceted entertainment corporation. I am not here today as a writer-director, or as a producer, or as the chairman of a corporation. I've come as a citizen of what I believe to be a great society that is in need of a moral anchor to help define and protect its intellectual and cultural heritage. It is not being protected.
The destruction of our film heritage, which is the focus of concern today, is only the tip of the iceberg. American law does not protect our painters, sculptors, recording artists, authors, or filmmakers from having their lifework distorted, and their reputation ruined. If something is not done now to clearly state the moral rights of artists, current and future technologies will alter, mutilate, and destroy for future generations the subtle human truths and highest human feeling that talented individuals within our society have created.
A copyright is held in trust by its owner until it ultimately reverts to public domain. American works of art belong to the American public; they are part of our cultural history.
People who alter or destroy works of art and our cultural heritage for profit or as an exercise of power are barbarians, and if the laws of the United States continue to condone this behavior, history will surely classify us as a barbaric society. The preservation of our cultural heritage may not seem to be as politically sensitive an issue as "when life begins" or "when it should be appropriately terminated," but it is important because it goes to the heart of what sets mankind apart. Creative expression is at the core of our humanness. Art is a distinctly human endeavor. We must have respect for it if we are to have any respect for the human race.These current defacements are just the beginning. Today, engineers with their computers can add color to black-and-white movies, change the soundtrack, speed up the pace, and add or subtract material to the philosophical tastes of the copyright holder. Tommorrow, more advanced technology will be able to replace actors with "fresher faces," or alter dialogue and change the movement of the actor's lips to match. It will soon be possible to create a new "original" negative with whatever changes or alterations the copyright holder of the moment desires. The copyright holders, so far, have not been completely diligent in preserving the original negatives of films they control. In order to reconstruct old negatives, many archivists have had to go to Eastern bloc countries where American films have been better preserved.
In the future it will become even easier for old negatives to become lost and be "replaced" by new altered negatives. This would be a great loss to our society. Our cultural history must not be allowed to be rewritten. There is nothing to stop American films, records, books, and paintings from being sold to a foreign entity or egotistical gangsters and having them change our cultural heritage to suit their personal taste.
I accuse the companies and groups, who say that American law is sufficient, of misleading the Congress and the People for their own economic self-interest.
I accuse the corporations, who oppose the moral rights of the artist, of being dishonest and insensitive to American cultural heritage and of being interested only in their quarterly bottom line, and not in the long-term interest of the Nation.The public's interest is ultimately dominant over all other interests. And the proof of that is that even a copyright law only permits the creators and their estate a limited amount of time to enjoy the economic fruits of that work. There are those who say American law is sufficient. That's an outrage! It's not sufficient! If it were sufficient, why would I be here? Why would John Houston have been so studiously ignored when he protested the colorization of "The Maltese Falcon?" Why are films cut up and butchered? Attention should be paid to this question of our soul, and not simply to accounting procedures. Attention should be paid to the interest of those who are yet unborn, who should be able to see this generation as it saw itself, and the past generation as it saw itself.
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So I watched the BluRay-version of episode 4 a few days ago…
I honestly didn't even notice that they'd changed Obi-wan's... whatever-the-hell-that-is noise, (Seriously, I never knew what the eff that sound was supposed to be) and if I'm not mistaken, that was the only change there apart from touching up the lightsabers somewhat? (Though not enough… I have yet to see a single version of ANH where the lightsabers actually look good throughout the whole thing.) So I can't say I had any trouble with that, it was the same as I remember it always having been. (Being that the original cut was made approximately 15 years before I was born, I've never actually seen anything but the revised versions.)...On the other hand, I also watched the climax of RotJ and, yeah, Darth Vader going "No!" immediately stood out to me. I was just like "...Wait, that wasn't in the original, was it? Goes to look up whether the BluRays have been further edited or not ...Okay seriously, why would you do that? :getlost:" But that seems to be the only change major enough for me to actually give a damn about. Oh, and...
@Bill:
LUCAS WHY GO THE DARK SIDE?…Are you implying that replacing that god-awful puppet they used in TPM, that looked completely different from how Yoda looks in every other Star Wars movie, was a bad thing? Because that seems like a clear improvement to me. Now if they did the same in ESB and RotJ where the puppet-Yoda actually looked decent, that would have been something else, but all I'm seeing is them replacing an extremely awful effect with a much less awful one. In a movie that is almost universally regarded as awful.
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Ok so… THAT is quite an improvement...
That does not deserve bitching at all.
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I wouldn't even have noticed the change. I've only ever seen TPM, AOTC & ROTS once, when they came out in the cinema.
Once was more then enough.
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CGI Yoda looks like shit as well. Hey Lucas how about using real things and not using your really weak CGI that is already dating faster than the speed of light and will look like complete shit in ten years.
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Amen to Star tours too
I haven't been to ST since the original went down, how is it now?
@Cyan:
Guinness getting typecast considering his career (Dude was Hitler) always struck me as odd considering how Mark Hamil's been making out.
Voice acting has only fairly recently (1990's) emerged as a place for actors to redefine themselves. It's still pretty hard to un-entrench stereotypes associated with certain thespians (Jim Carrey, Will Smith, Adam Sandler, Vin Diesel, M-Rod, Arnold).