I doubt Oda intends to tell us jack shit about exact length.
Because part of the strength of leaving it up to our guesses is that we'll privately all believe the amount of time that makes us satisfied.
Timeskip Predictions
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Only hint we'll get is the length of the time skip and if it's only a couple months then if they reunite in the new year like some think the message may be we'd get a better idea.
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I remember reading something that explained how it has only been 3 or so months. I'm looking for it now; I'll post something when I find it.
Found it. It was actually from this forum haha. http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=6416&page=3After Enies Lobby, the spent a few days recovering, then a few days of sailing, then Thriller Bark couldn't have been more than a day or two, then Sabody for less than a day, then they all got knocked out, Luffy met Boa, set sail to Impel Down, Impel Down was a day or so, then by the Time they got to Marineford there was still a few hours before Ace's execution, the entire war wasn't longer than a few hours, and then 2 week time skip to where we are now - damn that was a long run on sentence.
Kibagami's post left out some stuff, but yeah, couldn't have been more than 3-4 months.
Here's a better version that goes all the way up to Marineford: http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=17121.
! @Kibagami:
! > A long time ago, a thread was made concerning the voyage length of One Piece, and it turns out that most people paid little attention to that aspect of OP. In fact, Oda is so godly in his story telling that most people had their own theories on the voyage length, yet there was no canon evidence for those theories. Recently, this topic was mentioned in the Duval thread, and I decided to start a new thread instead of reviving the old one. In case anyone missed the original thread, HERE IT IS. I'm adapting Roman Zaenom's excellent post and format, since he went through all the trouble of reading through all those chapters (everyone was too lazy to do it). I've included more chapter info on all of RZ's stuff as well as a lot of my own stuff.OK I'm dividing the time map into 4 parts:
PART 1: Little Garden to Skypiea,
PART 2: Long Ring Long to Water 7, and then
PART 3: Thriller Bark to Red Line
PART 4: Shabondy to Marineford
Everything before and between these 3 sections CANNOT be confirmed, and therefore relies on pure speculation.PART 1: FROM LITTLE GARDEN TO SKYPIEA
DAY 1 (Ch 115-129)
SH meet Dorry and Brogy, fight Mr.3, Nami is stung by a 'Keschia' bugDAY 2 (ch 130-131)
SH meet Wapol
(ch130 p.18 : says that one day has passed)DAY 3 (Ch132-154)
Arrival at Drum, SH meet Chopper and leave Drum the same night
(ch132 p.03 : Usopp asks about Wapol that they met the day before)
(ch135 p.13 : Chess confirms on Drum they saw the SH the day before)
(ch139 p.12 : Kureha says it's the third day of incubation of Nami's virus)
(ch152 p.17: Chopper agrees to go with them)
(ch154 p.10: they leave at night with a full moon)DAY 8 (ch156)
SH meet Mr.2
(ch156 p.01 : it's been 5 days since they left Drum)DAY 12 (ch157-164)
SH arrive at Alabasta, visit Nanohana and sleep at Yuba. BW gather at Spider's Cafe.
(ch157 p.02 : Zoro says they haven't eaten for 4 days. We know they already didn't have food when they met Mr.2, 5 days after they left Drum. So, Day12 is the latest time they could have reached Alabasta)
(ch160 p.05 : BW is said to meet at 20pm the same day at Spider's Cafe)
(ch 161 p.04 : The SH reach Elumalu hours before BW gather at SC)
(ch 161 p.05 : Vivi says there's still half a day before they reach Yuba)DAY 13 (ch165-167)
Baroque Works gather at Rain Base, SH in the desert
(ch160 p.05 and ch165 p.15 : on day 12, Crocodile said the Utopia Mission would start "the day after tomorrow at 7am" and here tells BW it will happen "tomorrow at 7am", which means it is day 13 when BW meet Crocodile)
(ch167 p.18 : when the SH are in the desert, there's 17 hours left before Utopia, which means it's 1pm)DAY 14 (ch168-212)
Day of the Rebellion, BW defeated
(ch168 p.01 : the sun sets then rises again)
07:00am (ch170 p.18 : Utopia Mission begins)
10:00am (ch180 p.08 : storm in Yuba, 5h left before rebels reach Alubarna)
11:00am (ch180 p.10 : SH cross river Sandora with crab, 4h left)
12:00pm (ch180 p.15 : Karue and ducks join the SH, 3h left)
15:00pm (ch173 p.01 : Crocodile said at 7am the rebels would reach Alabasta in 8 hours : 15pm)
16:30pm (ch207 p.15: see the clock when the bomb explodes)DAY 17 (ch213-214)
Luffy wakes up, they party and leave at midnight exactly
(ch213 p.8 : Luffy slept for 3 days and missed 15 meals)
(ch214 p.13 : Nami tells Vivi they'll meet at 12pm the next day in 12h, so it's midnight when the SH leave Alubarna)DAY 18(ch215-234)
Ace joins Buggy. Shichibukai gather at Marie-Joa. SH leave Alabasta at 12pm, Robin joins immediately after, a ship falls from the sky a few minutes after that and they meet Masira the same day. Then they go to Jaya and meet Bellamy. At night, Luffy defeats Bellamy.
(ch229 p.10 & 13 : Cricket says that when it becomes dark in Masira's territory, the knock-up stream happens the day after, so we know the SH are on Jaya the same day they met Masira - yes, the same day they left Alabasta!)
(ch233 p.08 : The day before Bellamy gets beaten, we see Ace join Buggy's crew and the meeting at Marie-Joa, then we go back to Jaya at night where Blackbeard beats Sarquiss and leaves Jaya to capture Luffy)
CONTROVERSY This is where a lot of controversy lies…. Roman Zaenom thinks they meet Masira's crew ON THE SAME DAY that Robin joins the crew since there is no properly labeled time skip. However on Chap218, page 8 we seen the crew still wearing desert clothing, and in following pages, they appear to have changed. Some members think this is a stylistic indication of a mini time skip, and if that were true, I'd say it was no more than a day because they are still getting to know Robin (e.g. Usopp interviews Robin in his normal clothes). To be honest, I'd like to think there is more time between Alabasta and Jaya as well, but I will continue with Roman Zaenom's count until Oda himself reveals more about the timeline.DAY 19 (ch235-254)
Knock-Up stream, SH in Skypiea, Satori's trial of orbs, Party at night
(ch235 p.13 : knock-up stream at 10:00am)DAY 20 (ch255-301)
Survival, Luffy defeats Eneru, Party the same night
(ch254 p.12 : Eneru says on day 19 the Shandia will attack again the day after)
(ch300 p.12 and 15-16 : Night time already, party)SKYPIEA AFTERMATH/PARTY: + several days
(ch301 p.1: The celebration lasts for + several days)NOTE: We have no idea how long they partied, but Roman Zeanom points out that "they get attacked by Sea Monkeys the moment they land on sea. Those same three Sea Monkeys sunk the Frog Captain's boat right before they reach Long Ring Long Land. So, they're not too far away." It is unfortunate, but it may be deduced that the crew finds LRL immediately after they get off Skypiea thus reducing the amount of days travel :getlost: In case anyone is interested, everything from the beginning of the Grandline to the end of Sky Piea is 21 Volumes.
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PART 2: LONG RING LONG TO WATER 7 & ENIES LOBBY:
DAY 1 (ch304-321)
Land on LRL. Meet Tonjit. Davy Back Fight. Fight Ao KijiDAY 8 (ch322-333)
Meet Kokoro @lighthouse. Land on W7 shortly after. Robbed by Franky Family; Usopp vs Luffy fight, Iceburg shot
(Ch322 p.1: they spent another 4 days moored on LRL, and sailed for 2 days more days. On the third day, they hit Kokoro's lighthouse.)
(ch332 p.3 & 4: Usopp sets the duel at 10pm, and Sanji accuses Zoro for not 'finishing off' the franky family when they came during the [same] day)DAY 9 (ch334-365)
Franky comes back, and fights with Luffy and Shipwrights. SH and CP9 infiltrates/attacks Gallera at night. Franky's flashback. Aqua Laguna hits right after CP9 leaves :
(ch334 p. 4: Morning after Usopp vs Luffy fight)
(ch335 p. 9: Aqua Laguna announce to arrive around midnight)
(ch364 p. 13: Paulie tells the crew that the Aqua Laguna would last only the night, and it would be safe to sail in the morning after)
10:30pm (ch360 p. 8: Nami & Paulie heads to station)
11:00pm (ch361 p. 16: Sanji boards train)
(ch363 p. 12-13: Aqua Lauguna hits)DAY 10 (ch366-430)
Assuming the day starts at midnight, Rocket Man heads out. Raid on Enies Lobby begins in the middle of the night, and ends some time in daytime. Merry gets sent off.
(ch377 p.9, 16-17: Spandam commands everyone to wake up, but the guard says it's still night. O & K wants to finish the intruders quickly and go back to sleep. So it can't be 6 or 7am yet)
(ch430: It's daytime on the sea between EL and W7 when we run into the Gallera ship. Iceburg's flashback shows the Merry heading off during the Aqua Laguna.)
Merry gets to EL just in time to rescue them, meaning the time it takes to sail through the AL must be equivalent to the lenth of the Raid on EL. I assume Iceburg and the Gallera ship departs W7 asap, meaning the morning/night after the Aqua Laguna subsides. So unless it takes MORE THAN 24 hours to sail from W7 to EL under normal conditions, Merry's 'sending off' must take place on the afternoon/morning of DAY 10.DAY 12 (ch431-433)
Garp, Coby, Helmeppo shows. Party for the rest of the day. Whitebeard and Shanks meet. Ace vs Blackbeard fight
(ch431 p. 3: "2 days after the incident")
(ch323 p. 1: Kokoro said it takes around one week for the log post to set)
(ch431 p. 10: Kokoro says they have a "couple days" till the log sets in my scan, but in Stephen's page, it says "2-3 days.")
It's later confirmed that their log sets 3 days later. Hence, it's only been 4 days since they landed on W7.
(ch433 p.15: After Coby and Helmeppo leaves, they have a big party, and you can clearly see the sky getting dark. The sunset is shown way better in the Anime eps 315.)DAY 13(ch435)
Construction on Thousand Sunny begins. Usopp rehurses his 'return speech'
(ch435 p.7: it takes 5 days to construct Thousand Sunny.)
(ch435 p.9: Sunset shot proves that Franky and the shipwrights start contruction on the day after the party.)DAY 15(ch435)
New Bounties come out. Thousand Sunny completed. Usopp rejoins. Departure from W7.
(ch435 p. 10: Their log sets on the third day of the wait.)
(ch440 p. 11: Ace and Blackbeard fight 3 days before everyone gets finds out about the SH bounties.)
(ch435 p. 14: Ship completed 2 days ahend of schedule because the shipwrights worked day and night to finish it)Sailing time between Water-7 and Florian Triangle is UNKNOWN. Ch440 and 441 is the Bounties chapter and the Ace vs BB chapter so it only took 15 days in OP time for for 131 chapters (ch304 to ch435) to transpire. That's 13 Volumes!!!
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PART 3: Thriller Bark to the RED LINE
DAY 1 (Ch442-482)
Arrival to Florian Triangle. Meeting with Brook. Captured by Thriller Bark, and just about all fights until the sunrises the next day.
Instead of counting DAY 2 from midnight (like b4) I'll count it from first light of dawn because there is no way of telling what time it is on TB.DAY 2 (ch483-486)
Kuma vs all. Kuma leaves. Conclusion of the fight. News is out on Ace's defeat and Blackbeard's new status
(ch483-485 is basically the entire duration of the sunrise.)DAY 3 (ch486-489)
It's a celebration bitch!! Brook's flashback. Brook joins
(ch486 p. 4: One day after Moria's defeat.)DAY 5 (ch489-490)
Departure from TB. SH finds out about Ace's diminishing Vivrecard/lifeforce. Kuma and Garp piss Sengoku off
(ch489 p. 11: 2 days after Brook joins.)Sail to the Red Line + Several days (ch490)
Hit the Redline. Meet Caimie and Pappag
(ch490 p.9: a few days after leaving TB, they finally get there!!!!!)
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PART 4: Shabondy to Marineford
DAY 1 (ch490-513)
Arrive at Redline. Meet Camie and Duval. Adventures on Shabondy. The Auction House Affair. Get blasted by Kuma
There is NO obvious indication of a mini time skip between meeting Camie and getting defeated by Kuma. Seriously!
(ch491 p.10: Find out the location of Shabondy and Duval's base.)
(ch496: Eat Takoyaki Lunch. Brooke states on page 8 that it was a nice afternoon [of the same day]. P12-13 Arrive at the nearby (5km) Shabondy Arch; Luffy is still fat from Lunch)
(ch501 p.10: The auction started at 4pm, and has been going on for half an hour or so.)
(ch 504 p.3: Hawkins says that today is not his day to die, and he says it again when he faces Kizaru in Chap 507 p.19. Implying that Kizaru arrives on the same day as the auction.)
(ch 508 - 513: It seems the Straw Hats are confronted by PX-4 soon after they leave Shacky's bar. And then almost as soon as they defeat PX-4, Sentoumaru shows with PX-1, and then soon after that Kizaru shows up. Then, the Rayleigh and the real Kuma shows, and the rest is history.)DAY 2 (ch514 -515)
Luffy lands on Amazon Lilly. Rescued by the Kuja.
(Ch 513 p. 4: Sentoumaru says that Kuma's victims are sent flying for 3 days/ 3 nights. But he's WRONG. See ***notes on Day 3)
Also see ch 514 p7: Luffy's flight path only shows one sun set and one sun rise.DAY 3 (ch515 - 523)
Luffy awakens. Hancock arrives. Battle Arena. Love Tornado. Luffy finds out about Ace.
NOTE Nyon specifically says that Luffy punched the Tenryuubito TWO DAYS AGO. So we know that the death match between Luffy and the Boa sisters happens on DAY 3
(Ch515 p.6. The women say that Luffy had a really long sleep and that he was eating in his sleep. This leads me to believe that a day has elapsed since he ate the mushrooms)
Controversy In Ch 516 p.12, Momonga says Ace's execution happens in exactly one week. Normally, when people say "happens in a week," we don't count the current day. If today is Friday, and we say that the One Piece movie premiere is in a week, we usually would mean that it's happen happening next Friday, which is 7 days away, starting on Saturday. SOOOO when Ch 522 p. 9: Nyon says Ace's execution happens in 6 days from now, it's on the same day that Momonga and Hancock met. UNLESS ODA MADE A MISTAKE, that's how the time-count goes….DAY 4 (ch 523 - 524)
Luffy and Hancock leave Amazon Lilly with Momonga
(Ch 523 p 3: They were originally going to leave in the next morning but decided to leave in the late night, so I'm presuming its past midnight on Day 4.)
(Ch 523 p 6: When they leave it's still dark.)
(ch524 p.16: it's still 6 days until Ace's execution, but it is now light out.DAY 8 (ch 525 - 538)
(ch525 p.12:) Four 'n' half days journey from AL. They arrive at the Tarai current.
06:00am (Ch 525 p.17) 33 hours till execution. Luffy and Hancock arrive at Impel Down.
10:00am (Ch 533 p.2) 29 hours till execution. Hancock leaves Impel Down. Luffy & co. Fall into Lvl 4. Reports of Shanks fighting Kaidou
13:00pm (Ch 536 p.19) 26 hours till execution. Luffy and Bon pass out in Lvl 5. Inazuma discovers them.
~23:00pm (Ch 537 p.8) Bon-chan wakes up after 10 hours of sleep. He meets Ivankov; finds out about New Kama.DAY 9 (ch 538 - 580)
Starts at Midnight. Luffy recovers. JAIL BREAK TIME! Blackbeard meets Luffy. Day of Ace's execution. THE WAR: Whitebeard Pirates vs World Government & Shichibukai
00:05am (Ch 538 p14) Bon-chan begins cheering for Luffy.
03:05am (Ch 538 p16) Luffy is reported missing from lvl 5.
07:10am (Ch 538 p17) Luffy calls for food.
~7:40am (Ch539 p2) "He's been eating for about half an hour now." Luffy recovers
09:00am (Ch539 p14) "Ace is to be handed to the Marines at precisely 9am."
09:45am (Ch541 p07) Jail Break crew makes it to Lvl 4.MORE TO COME
As said RZ's original post, the travel time from Whiskey Peak to Little Garden is unknown, but the Twin Capes to Whiskey Peaks probably only took half a day as they get there at night. Anyway, here are the areas of time that we don't know:
A) Twin Cape and Little Garden
B) Sky Piea and Long Ring Long
C) Water 7 and Thriller Bark
D) Thriller Bark and the Red Line
Now, if we estimate the times of A-D to be around 2-3 weeks, then the voyage length of One Piece from the beginning of GL to the day of Ace's execution on Marineford (chap 101 to 580) would be around 72 days. That's less than 3 months!He estimates 72 days, not including East Blue. Add to that the 2 weeks after Marineford and a few days for the newspapers to print the article about Luffy's return to Marineford, and we're at 90 days - three months, still not including East Blue. Even if you doubled that number to account for East Blue, you'd still only be at 6 months, nowhere close to a year.
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I can't believe someone went through all that effort.
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Well, I must admit: things are now shaping quite nicely so that a timeskip can happen… =/
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They've been around definately more than 3 months, but also less than a year. Let's say around 6 months, althought there aren't any real references. But that doesn't really matter, it's Oda's call and so there'll be a timeskip…we still don't know the lenght of it (2 years? Some months? 5 seconds?)
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I wonder if there's a hidden message colorspread's subtitle. Could be over thinking it. Maybe it's one last look at the current crew together.
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dun na na na na TIME-SKIP!!
I hope it's not too long, I hope it's only going to be say.. 2 weeks long (instead of 2 years) I know that isn't a really long time but how long can it take to read some books and learn some recipes, it also makes more sense with the pacing in one piece. Why make it 2 years when they've only been sailing together for 6-12 months.
Just my piece of pie
Australian Brigade!: enel16, crease, Jejune, frozenkuku, toiim, Gum-Gum-Bazooka & trc4eva
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dun na na na na TIME-SKIP!!
I hope it's not too long, I hope it's only going to be say.. 2 weeks long (instead of 2 years) I know that isn't a really long time but how long can it take to read some books and learn some recipes, it also makes more sense with the pacing in one piece. Why make it 2 years when they've only been sailing together for 6-12 months.
Just my piece of pie
so you think sanji will defeat 99 masters in less than 14 days (i assume your 2 weeks include traveling back) its just not gonna be physicially possible hes probably gonna get beaten quite badly initially and i think minimum iwll take sanji 100 days to defeat all 99
chopper not just reading a few books he has to understand what he's reading carry out experiements with the plants maybe form his own unique ideas from what he's read and from the volume of books anything less than half a year would be silly
Time skip will be minimum of half a year probably 1 year
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Well, I must admit: things are now shaping quite nicely so that a timeskip can happen… =/
I think we can go as far as saying a timeskip is confirmed.
- Law not entering new world, saying "one piece won't go anywhere"
- Upon receiving Luffy's message, strawhats go back to training… LONG TERM training
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3D2Y tattoo theory, fits well with 8+8 bell rings as "meet in 2 years instead of 3 days". Though it is indeed not very satisfying, the "3 D" isn't that clear ("3" could just as well be a "S" as has been said often) but the 2Y seems pretty clear.
o Only thing that doesn't fit with a long timeskip is luffy's burning desire to reunite his crew.
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o Only thing that doesn't fit with a long timeskip is luffy's burning desire to reunite his crew.
Yeah, but he changed a his mind when Rayleigh came to AL. I hope, we will be explained a bit how Haki is working before the timeskip.
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the only cool thing about a time skip will be that it will kind of remind me of movie 10
we will have when we finally start moving again the whole world and WG being like "where were you hiding these last few years"
kind of like how shiki came out finally
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@imp:
o Only thing that doesn't fit with a long timeskip is luffy's burning desire to reunite his crew.
Oh it fits perfectly.
See chapter relevantly titled "Are You Sure?".
@Shammsy:
we will have when we finally start moving again the whole world and WG being like "where were you hiding these last few years"
Yes, this was always something I thought would make this cool.
The Strawhats have such a high profile now that it almost has gotten to be too much.
Having them vanish for a long while will rejuvenate a sense of underdogness.
People will have been focusing on stuff that others do, and then The Hats come back and people won't really know what to make of it, and they have to prove themselves again to some extent. -
I do hope that their is at least a year time skip. I would love to see how everyone would look, and I think that Luffy ringing the bells could be, as well as other things, telling the crew to get ready for another age, so to train. And it does seem to be setting it up.
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Under a year. Too much detail to cover after the time skip, and the pace will have to be dealt with.
If I were to pick a digit, I'd probably pick it around three weeks or a full month. That'd be it.
Luffy heals normally in under like a few days, or something, and then the return trip is more than a week…
So, give him another two weeks to lay low and then travel forward towards SA and his crew...
That'd be it. I believe.
By a year's time, BB would probably become too strong and most of the SH would be found out and so on... It'd be too much.
A month?? Why would chopper say i hope i see u again. No way it's only a month the way chopper was talking. The MSG didn't have anything indicating a month either
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Anyone who's saying there's not going to be a timeskip now has got to be kidding at this point.
Oda is essentially laying out the cards: the SHs will stay put and get stronger. Some of this shit is being said explicitly within the story.
Going by the "four page per crewmate" manner Oda's using now, we should have our timeskip by the end of the August. The next chapter should be entirely dedicated to the SHs, whereas the next chapter will be half and half: the two remaining SHs and Luffy & Rayleigh's conversation that confirms the timeskip.
Can't fucking wait. Come August 25, timeskip!!!
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A month?? Why would chopper say i hope i see u again. No way it's only a month the way chopper was talking. The MSG didn't have anything indicating a month either
Man, this post isn't relevant anymore, it was written 3 months ago. Lots of things happen since then. I am sure now, even AGOG won't deny there will be a timeskip.
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Juju came to a 3 months old thread and read the first page and quoted its 3th post and replied as if it was just posted a moment ago and thought he's gonna prove himself.
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Well by the looks of it, it seems like AGOG never did deny that there would be a timeskip.
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Well by the looks of it, it seems like AGOG never did deny that there would be a timeskip.
Looking at the poll result, he voted for a short one.
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Under a year. Too much detail to cover after the time skip, and the pace will have to be dealt with.
If I were to pick a digit, I'd probably pick it around three weeks or a full month. That'd be it.
Luffy heals normally in under like a few days, or something, and then the return trip is more than a week…
So, give him another two weeks to lay low and then travel forward towards SA and his crew...
That'd be it. I believe.
By a year's time, BB would probably become too strong and most of the SH would be found out and so on... It'd be too much.
BB is going to be the final villian, so even after the timeskip BB should be way stronger.
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I hope it's not a long timeskip if there is one at all. I don't want Luffy's 18th birthday skipped over.
Why do you want to go to the party?
i dont really care…
Anyway on the Supernovas i seriously think if 2 months or 2 years pass, only Kidd/Law and perhaps Drake or Basil will be in activitity they seem to be getting owned pretty badly.
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Juju came to a 3 months old thread and quoted its 3th post and replied as if it was just posted a moment ago and thought he's gonna prove himself.
LOL i didn't even look at the date. i could of sworn i clicked on the last page.
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@Sea:
Looking at the poll result, he voted for a short one.
Yeah, hell of a lot better than the people that said "no" though. Personally, at this point, I guess I am leaning towards "years," but only one year at the most. I can't see the Strawhats being split up for 2 years.
BB is going to be the final villian, so even after the timeskip BB should be way stronger.
why did you quote this three month old post twice
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@JERK:
Oh it fits perfectly.
See chapter relevantly titled "Are You Sure?".
Yes, this was always something I thought would make this cool.
The Strawhats have such a high profile now that it almost has gotten to be too much.
Having them vanish for a long while will rejuvenate a sense of underdogness.
People will have been focusing on stuff that others do, and then The Hats come back and people won't really know what to make of it, and they have to prove themselves again to some extent.how come you renamed me in your quote to sHammsy? whats the H for?
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Do you know what a sham is?
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@imp:
I think we can go as far as saying a timeskip is confirmed.
- Law not entering new world, saying "one piece won't go anywhere"
- Upon receiving Luffy's message, strawhats go back to training… LONG TERM training
- I like the
3D2Y tattoo theory, fits well with 8+8 bell rings as "meet in 2 years instead of 3 days". Though it is indeed not very satisfying, the "3 D" isn't that clear ("3" could just as well be a "S" as has been said often) but the 2Y seems pretty clear.
o Only thing that doesn't fit with a long timeskip is luffy's burning desire to reunite his crew.
Yeah, I agree the timeskip is almost confirmed.
I dont think it will take 2 years (I'll wait to see what was Luffy's exact message). I have a feeling it will be less than that, but whatever.
The point is that the timeskip is a very very very likely thing to happen now.
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yeah wow, i was reading the forums before because i wanted a topic on this, not to bash anybody who said there could never be a timeskip or that luffys bell message didnt tell everyone to wait, but wow i mean wow, if this weeks chapter doesnt confirm it i dunno what does. i mean it is really needed for the sh crew, look how easily jewlrey was taken down by BB, yes he is badass but still, they are not ready, law was right to wait and so is luffy.
The fact that chopper came back to the island and just happened to find research materials and stuff seems a little too convenient though, and then theres the sanji thing, zoro is with mihawk so that speaks for itself, robin i guess is with dragon and the revolutionaries? Nami will master rope weather techniques, usopp will be boss after making it off that island, franky will be rebuilt with vegapunk gear, and luffy will master haki…..all this within two years, it seems relevant and given what someone on here already predicted and luffy ringing 16times it seems now is the right time.
Can't wait for one piece shippuden when luffy gets back from training with jiraiya I mean ray after his squad got separated
i laughed alot with that one btw
@JERK:
HYUCK HYUCK YEAH
KNOW WHAT ELSE NARUTO ALSO DID???
IT HAD INK ON THE PAGES!!!!
Shut up.
even more with the response
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Sure it was convienent that Chopper's island had all those research supplies, Kuma must know where he is sending people so he sent him there to bone up on his medical skills.
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Sure it was convienent that Chopper's island had all those research supplies, Kuma must know where he is sending people so he sent him there to bone up on his medical skills.
And he sent Usopp to Boin Archipelago because Usopp looks malnourished, and he figured Luffy would enjoy a harem so he sent him to Amazon Lily. Kuma really knows his stuff, man.
It's just coincidence in my opinion. Mostly because, how could he have known that Sanji was a cook when no one even knows who Sanji really is? Also, how could he know that Chopper was a doctor and Brook a musician? As far as I can tell, he would only know about Luffy, Zoro, Robin, and he could tell that Franky was a cyborg. All the others were just coincidence.
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And he sent Usopp to Boin Archipelago because Usopp looks malnourished, and he figured Luffy would enjoy a harem so he sent him to Amazon Lily. Kuma really knows his stuff, man.
It's just coincidence in my opinion. Mostly because, how could he have known that Sanji was a cook when no one even knows who Sanji really is? Also, how could he know that Chopper was a doctor and Brook a musician? As far as I can tell, he would only know about Luffy, Zoro, Robin, and he could tell that Franky was a cyborg. All the others were just coincidence.
Perhaps the Revolutionaries intelligence is better than the WG's.
You do bring up good points, and the natuer of Kuma's ability has been debated to death. But it just seems like too big of a coincidence from a story telling perspective, unless Oda intended it to be a very elaborate operation of fate.
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I don't see a time skip happening. Oda has always shown development among the crew and all of them are in for some huge development. My guess would be that we'll see time speed up (mini time skips like 2 weeks or so), but we'll follow the Strawhats as they improve. Nor do I think it will be a year or more. Luffy's message wasn't the same message that the bell normally conveys, or else others beyond the crew would understand it.
Besides, who really wants to miss the Strawhat crew improving? Not only are they getting better combat-wise, but it seems that they will improve position skills as well (Sanji will be a better cook, Chopper a better doctor, Brook a better musician, etc.).
So many people in the world. And so many bullets. Lots and lots of bullets.
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I don't see a time skip happening.
ahahahah, look, this isn't even much of a question anymore. It's a question of how long, not if.
Oda has always shown development among the crew and all of them are in for some huge development. My guess would be that we'll see time speed up (mini time skips like 2 weeks or so), but we'll follow the Strawhats as they improve. Nor do I think it will be a year or more. Luffy's message wasn't the same message that the bell normally conveys, or else others beyond the crew would understand it.
And who and how? Most people don't even know they're split up. And even if someone did know what would it matter? It wouldn't help them be found out location wise.
Following them as they improve? Oda doesn't like showing training.Besides, who really wants to miss the Strawhat crew improving?
Anyone who knows whats up.
Training is the worst thing about shonen. Why do you think we've never seen any in OP? Oda thinks the same.Not only are they getting better combat-wise, but it seems that they will improve position skills as well (Sanji will be a better cook, Chopper a better doctor, Brook a better musician, etc.).
Would chopper testing plants really be worth panel time? Really? Oda is giving us a hint of what they will be doing. Possibly giving the anime room to filler it up.
And then we will cut to the other end, whatever that will be.
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The Nile river is in Egypt.
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@JERK:
ahahahah, look, this isn't even much of a question anymore. It's a question of how long, not if.
Oh noes, I disagree with the popular opinion! I must be mocked for being foolish! :getlost:
Word of advice, don't start off a counter-argument with one foot in your mouth already.
And there is a question. I myself am not reading "time skip." Could I be wrong? Maybe. No one but Oda and his editors know.
And who and how? Most people don't even know they're split up. And even if someone did know what would it matter? It wouldn't help them be found out location wise.
Following them as they improve? Oda doesn't like showing training.People who actually matter know what happen to the Strawhats, namely the Marines and World Government. They don't have to know where the Strawhats are if they know where they will show up and when. To paraphase an old adage, "better to hunt at the watering hole than the plains."
I do agree with you on one thing though (proudest moment of your day, I'm sure), Oda doesn't like showing training. I, myself, see him popping in the Strawhats' progress at different points during their progression.
Anyone who knows whats up.
Training is the worst thing about shonen. Why do you think we've never seen any in OP? Oda thinks the same.Training doesn't have to be bad. Kenichi gets it right. And where in my post did I mention a training arc?
Would chopper testing plants really be worth panel time? Really? Oda is giving us a hint of what they will be doing. Possibly giving the anime room to filler it up. And then we will cut to the other end, whatever that will be.
Seeing different stages of Chopper's growth is worth panel time.
A time skip is used by hacks who can't be bothered to properly showcase a character's growth. Do we need to see all of the progression time? No. If you have taken the time to actually read my post, you would see what I believe will happen is a span of several months happening in a few chapters time.
Let me be even more clear. What I think will happen is that Oda will do an arc showing the world reconstruct itself over the coming months. During that time we'll see the overall progression of the Strawhats. Not a time skip, just time moving faster.
Again, I don't know. And anyone who claims to know needs to be added to the depopulation list. Until it happens, no one knows what will happen. One Piece isn't the easiest comic to predict.
So many people in the world. And so many bullets. Lots and lots of bullets.
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Mostly because, how could he have known that Sanji was a cook when no one even knows who Sanji really is? Also, how could he know that Chopper was a doctor and Brook a musician? As far as I can tell, he would only know about Luffy, Zoro, Robin, and he could tell that Franky was a cyborg. All the others were just coincidence.
Actually Kuma does know who's each Strawhat, at least. He called Sanji "Black Leg" and Usopp "Sogeking" in Thriller Bark.
Btw, he even heard Sanji telling Zoro that they would need to find another cook. -
I want inspirational montages for all of the SHs while they're improving (rocky style)
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Actually Kuma does know who's each Strawhat, at least. He called Sanji "Black Leg" and Usopp "Sogeking" in Thriller Bark.
Btw, he even heard Sanji telling Zoro that they would need to find another cook.Oh, you're right. So, I guess he would know Sanji was a cook in addition to knowing the professions of Luffy, Zoro, Robin, and Franky. And he might have known that Brook was a member of the Rumbar Pirates at one point, too, so he could've known that Brook was a musician. "King of Snipers" is obviously indicative of a marksman, and Nami was wearing the Log Pose, so he could've easily deduced that she was the navigator. And that makes Chopper the doctor via process of elimination.
So, yeah, I suppose it is possible that Kuma intentionally sent them to these islands, but I won't be sold unless the next chapter or the following one reveals something that makes Boin Archipelago the perfect place for Usopp to train and Amazon Lily the perfect place for Luffy to train. In which case I will be convinced that it wasn't merely coincidence or luck.
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I'm still thinking we will have a timeskip measurable in months, or at most a single year, but there is definitely a timeskip in the works. I don't care whether it is longer or shorter personally, but I don't really see why Oda would need anything more than a year, given all he has accomplished in the months the crew has been at sea. I also have trouble seeing how Luffy could possibly have relayed a message that would have given them a specific duration of time, specifically one that would be years. That's a lot of time to be away from your friends, family, crew, whomever.
Anyway, what Law said this chapter reminded me of something. The crew is almost always dropped into the middle of a given event rather than getting involved at the beginning or before it starts, and tend to leave the inhabitants better off than when they arrived. Given that, it wouldn't be right to have the crew be a part of the initial chaos that unfolds in the New World or at Fishman Island. Think about it: Buggy was about to head for the Grand Line and was controlling Orange Town; Kuro was about to kill Kaya and inherit her estate; Krieg was about to steal Zeff's journal and ship for the Grand Line; Arlong was about to force Nami into his crew forever by having Nezumi steal her collected treasure; Wapol was about to return and retake Drum; Croc was about to overthrow Arabasta and find Pluton; Enel was about to destroy the sky islands and head to Fairy Vearth; The CP9 was about to steal the blueprints from Iceburg/Franky; Moria was about to create his final zombie. All these situations have the crew showing up just when things are heating up and there is a need– even if they had different reasons for being there-- and then they left that location with us knowing things would be OK. For this same thing to occur at FI and the New World, we need time for the world to develop more instead of just being pure chaos. I mean it will still be chaotic, but right now, like Law implied, it's just a bunch of people fighting for power now that Whitebeard has died. That initial surge needs to die down before things can really get interesting.
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So, yeah, I suppose it is possible that Kuma intentionally sent them to these islands, but I won't be sold unless the next chapter or the following one reveals something that makes Boin Archipelago the perfect place for Usopp to train and Amazon Lily the perfect place for Luffy to train. In which case I will be convinced that it wasn't merely coincidence or luck.
Yeah, still not sure about Usopp's island, but we'll see soon enough. Luffy's was probably because Boa has the King's Haki. That or Luffy's rubber body is just what the island of women was looking for.
Man, I just read the chapter and was hoping someone had a decent idea as to what Luffy's message meant, looks like it's still pretty vague… Circle the island, sixteen bells, prayer in front of the bell with an unclear tattoo, only the crew could figure it out... What the hell could it be? How long will the skip be? Should we be able to figure it out, is it just hidden in the tattoo? Gaaaahhhhh Oda!!!
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Man, I just read the chapter and was hoping someone had a decent idea as to what Luffy's message meant, looks like it's still pretty vague… Circle the island, sixteen bells, prayer in front of the bell with an unclear tattoo, only the crew could figure it out... What the hell could it be? How long will the skip be? Should we be able to figure it out, is it just hidden in the tattoo? Gaaaahhhhh Oda!!!
Rayleigh said, "They should get it if they read the article." And we can't read the article. So no, I don't think we're supposed to be able to figure it out from what we've been given.
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Oh noes, I disagree with the popular opinion! I must be mocked for being foolish! :getlost:
You're arguing against such a ridiculous scale of evidence now that it's foolish indeed.
This chapter pushed things over.Word of advice, don't start off a counter-argument with one foot in your mouth already.
Word of advice, research your opponent.
And there is a question. I myself am not reading "time skip." Could I be wrong? Maybe. No one but Oda and his editors know.
It's a marvel that anyone would read anything else into this at this point.
I mean damn, Deicide is with us noe and he's the stubbornest mule in the world.People who actually matter know what happen to the Strawhats, namely the Marines and World Government.
And none of these people know where they went.
They don't really know what happened. Kuma came in and blasted them all away.
That's not enough for any sort of danger to come from this.They don't have to know where the Strawhats are if they know where they will show up and when. To paraphase an old adage, "better to hunt at the watering hole than the plains."
And how do they know where they'll meet?
I do agree with you on one thing though (proudest moment of your day, I'm sure), Oda doesn't like showing training. I, myself, see him popping in the Strawhats' progress at different points during their progression.
Popping them in where?
Training doesn't have to be bad. Kenichi gets it right. And where in my post did I mention a training arc?
That's part of the problem, you don't really know what you're suggesting do you. Not an arc, some vague "checking in" on what's been going on with them, suggesting we're cutting away from something. You also fail to give any sort of estimation of how long this would take, how many pop ins we would get, and fail to make any argument as to why such a stodgy awkward method as this would be more likely then a true skip.
Seeing different stages of Chopper's growth is worth panel time.
He isn't character developing, he's planning on research.
This is the difference between bad and good training.A time skip is used by hacks who can't be bothered to properly showcase a character's growth.
Alright get out.
I have zero patience for this and so do all the rest of us.
This argument, you would know if you'd bother to read a single damn thing on this thread, has been made a dozen times and been refuted all the way to hell and back.It's idiotic, proves you're completely unread on any fiction outside basic modern shonen. And furthermore haven't thought anything through at all just well, because of how illogical an argument it is in the first place.
Do we need to see all of the progression time? No. If you have taken the time to actually read my post, you would see what I believe will happen is a span of several months happening in a few chapters time.
Do you have any idea how awkward that would be storytelling wise? Constant cutaways for nine people? It would be like the worst Rocky montage ever. It belays zero suspense of the results, and encourages NO real character development given the elbow room. To even make it functional it would take a ton of chapters.
And most of all it's entirely pointless.
We're being given their tasks. We are learning what they will gain.
If we already know Chopper is going to improve his medicine skills, why even show it? What laziness and crime is there in showing the results on the other end?Do you have any concept of suspense? This is writing 101.
"Chopper will be doing THIS during the coming year…what will he find?"
And then we see them meet a year later, and what do we have. We have Chopper sitting there holding within him some cool new power we can't wait to find out.
Same with all the others.Do you suggest we learn all this before the end of the sequence? Worthless.
Or do you suggest we cut away in your montage before we find the results out?
Pointless. Why not just cut from the start.Let me be even more clear. What I think will happen is that Oda will do an arc showing the world reconstruct itself over the coming months. During that time we'll see the overall progression of the Strawhats. Not a time skip, just time moving faster.
All of this is pointless. Showing exactly how the world will change is terrible writing. Suspense removed, congrats. Part of the point of all this is Oda is shuffling the cards and closing the curtain while things change.
We skip this passage of time and come out the other end knowing these shuffled cards have been placed down, waiting to find out what's happened. Same principle as the training.Again, I don't know. And anyone who claims to know needs to be added to the depopulation list. Until it happens, no one knows what will happen. One Piece isn't the easiest comic to predict.
Which is why this wasn't easy, but the conclusion holds.
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@JERK:
Which is why this wasn't easy, but the conclusion holds.
Instead of going through point by point, I'm going to address this one, since this is where your argument falls apart. A conclusion doesn't hold until proven. And you cannot prove anything about One Piece until an arc is done. All we have now are theories. Disagree with me, but do not act as if you are more informed.
Let me guess, Naruto is your point of reference.
Because Naruto is a high quality and and revolutionary comic book that is a key example of what makes up Japanese literature.
I should have better worded that, my fault. Time skips in a serial work are bad. Can they work? Sure. Do they? Not often. And I do not read Naruto, I was thinking about DC Comic's One Year Later wreak. In other media genres times skips work better, but since one of the strengths of a serial work is showing you all the progression of the story, time skips tend to weaken the narrative since there is no reason to not show the events.
So many people in the world. And so many bullets. Lots and lots of bullets.
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Why do people have such a hard time believing a time skip is possible? I mean we have already had dozens of minor time skips in One Piece but no one seems to notice. All the travel time is skipped, all the previous training / improvement has been skipped, we've just had a couple of weeks skipped in the past few chapters…short time skips are already part of One Piece and it doesn't do any harm to the story.
Why would we need a longer time skip now? Well as far as training / development goes this one is a whopper...every single Strawhat got owned. So naturally its not something that can be solved with the few days of solitary training the crew usually get up to in transit time between islands (Presumably since we have seen few glimpses of this).
Kuma sending them out so far to their perfect fit locations should give you a clue, this is supposed to happen...and its going to take a while. Look at Law willing to wait it out, the world is in chaos right now, perfect time to chill out and wait for things to settle down and let the herd be thinned out. For the Strawhats things couldn't be better timing wise, at least now the Marine's have bigger things to be worrying about so they dont have to worry about Kizaru or Akainu coming after them for now.
So instead of the usual few days or weeks time skip we might get a few months. I doubt it will be years but who knows. All in all though its gonna happen, and you know what, One Piece will be no worse because of it...
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It's not that I don't believe a time skip can happen (in fact I can see it happening), it's that I do not see it as the most likely course. I am looking at the recent chapters as a whole, beyond just Luffy's message and the Strawhat's reactions. Oda has taken care to show the immediate effects of the war on the Marines and Supernovas. There are more players on the stage as it were than the Strawhat crew, and I think that we are going to see more of them in upcoming chapters. That is why I do not see a true time skip (i.e. "One year later…"), but the progression of several months in a few chapters. Despite the importance of the crew storyline, Oda is pulling the camera back and looking at the bigger picture.
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Instead of going through point by point, I'm going to address this one, since this is where your argument falls apart. A conclusion doesn't hold until proven. And you cannot prove anything about One Piece until an arc is done. All we have now are theories. Disagree with me, but do not act as if you are more informed.
Ironically this is where your argument falls apart.
Because you're argument against the timeskip is absolutely terrible, and outlined why in my post if you'd like to even think of continuing this.
And my argument for is great. And no I'm not just crowing, because arguments I've made about why this would happened have been pretty much used by the characters by this point.There is no equivalence here. You have nothing, We have mounds and mounds.
I should have better worded that, my fault. Time skips in a serial work are bad. Can they work? Sure. Do they? Not often. And I do not read Naruto, I was thinking about DC Comic's One Year Later wreak. In other media genres times skips work better, but since one of the strengths of a serial work is showing you all the progression of the story,
That has nothing to do with the strength of a serial work.
"OH BOY, ASININE SHOWING OF EVERYTHING".
Make a poll and see how many people even suggest that as a tertiary reason they like serials let alone a main strength.time skips tend to weaken the narrative since there is no reason to not show the events.
Don't even use the "n" word if you don't grasp this.
Because there is literally no reason to show these events.Beyond just Luffy's message and the Strawhat's reactions. Oda has taken care to show the immediate effects of the war on the Marines and Supernovas. There are more players on the stage as it were than the Strawhat crew, and I think that we are going to see more of them in upcoming chapters. That is why I do not see a true time skip (i.e. "One year later…"), but the progression of several months in a few chapters. Despite the importance of the crew storyline, Oda is pulling the camera back and looking at the bigger picture.
EXACTLY.
Oda is showing the entire world, and where they're headed.
Why?
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Not exactly a sharpened knife I see. Your guess is no better than anyone else's.
So many people in the world. And so many bullets. Lots and lots of bullets.
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Its not a guess when the whole manga indicates it
