No he's the commander in chief of all the WG forces , Cipher Poll , Agents and Shichibukai included .
Chapter 594: "Message" Discussion
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I don't think Locks meant 'king' literally …just saying >_>
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar T_T
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@JERK:
ahahaahaha, this was his second to last post.
He also said that before:
We will miss him.
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Wait, some people actually think Movie 10 is canon even without confirmation from Oda yet?
Would it not be confusing if people see Shikki mentioned in the manga, and then they see the movie where he dies or something, and then he is again introduced into the manga, like the movie was not true.
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Would it not be confusing if people see Shikki mentioned in the manga, and then they see the movie where he dies or something, and then he is again introduced into the manga, like the movie was not true.
And don't forget the movie was produced by Oda and it ties to chapter 0, which is canon^^
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"dies or something"…he probably ended up caught by the Marine again. So there might still be a chance to see him again.
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And don't forget the movie was produced by Oda and it ties to chapter 0, which is canon^^
So, every filler ties with the canon, that DOESN'T make them Canon.
The story with Shiki was an idea that Oda decided to take out of the manga, it was an Arc, he had his powers, personality and goals in his mind at least for 4 years. It didn't fit well with the current super powers (as in GW, Shikibukai and Emperors), I guess that mainly because what happened with Enel that the manga popularity took a dive, he decided against that kind of story.
So, the strawhats didn't get taken to a floating island and didn't beat a legendary pirate from the pirateking's time. (The good guys wins, SPOILER!!!)
That's not only because it doesn't fit with anything in the manga, Wich is canon.
The Movie is filler. It's as filler as the Ice hunters arc, wich was filled with characters created by Oda. If you have the need to accept the movie into the canon, I don't care. If Shiki ever comes about in the manga he won't remember the happenings of the movie, because they never happened.
The timeline between Thriller Bark and Sabody is extremly tight, because when the Strawhats get to sabody ace's execution was anounced, and it was planed since the night on Thriller bark. So that leaves after Sabodi, when the strawhats are separated, and marineford gets destroyed, and sengoku and garp are still marines.
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He also said that before:
We will miss him.
This Kid either had serious Mental problems or is a 10 Yr old kid.U can tell by looking at all his former Post that something wasnt rite Up Stairs with The Kid.I loved Ace but at least we have one good thing come out of his Death and that is that we lost him and we also Lost one of his Idiot Fans.
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to Coby:
that he now also has the ability to use haki, proves to me once more that he`s the opposite counterpart of luffy(the guy who will chance the OP world just with the direction of a marine…)
also Kid showed that he would be the only possible enemy for luffy ...means he
s the only one luffy could actually fight within the story. Hawkings i dont think fits for a match against luffy somehow, and Law...well, could be but he showed that he could become more someone who maybe will fight luffy, but they never would develop a fight to death^^
x.drake also has no chance in my eyes cause i wouldnt know what luffy would gain from this fight^^ going against a dinosaur doesnt seems to be a good fight in the NW which will make us more stunned than against Lucci for example. -
I Wonder if that island Urouge arrived at has any connection with Makugai
I know more about One Piece than you FACT.
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i think that the island urouge is right now approaching could give us a hint why also raftel isn`t so easy to reach…
here are some kindsof umbrellas the key to get on the island..Raftel could also be seen but not reach of similour(but sure harder) conditions^^ -
@kuma:
I Wonder if that ireland Urouge arrived at has any connection with Makugai
Well it might have a conection with the Lucky Charms Leprechaun as well :ninja:
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So, every filler ties with the canon, that DOESN'T make them Canon.
The story with Shiki was an idea that Oda decided to take out of the manga, it was an Arc, he had his powers, personality and goals in his mind at least for 4 years. It didn't fit well with the current super powers (as in GW, Shikibukai and Emperors), I guess that mainly because what happened with Enel that the manga popularity took a dive, he decided against that kind of story.
So, the strawhats didn't get taken to a floating island and didn't beat a legendary pirate from the pirateking's time. (The good guys wins, SPOILER!!!)
That's not only because it doesn't fit with anything in the manga, Wich is canon.
The Movie is filler. It's as filler as the Ice hunters arc, wich was filled with characters created by Oda. If you have the need to accept the movie into the canon, I don't care. If Shiki ever comes about in the manga he won't remember the happenings of the movie, because they never happened.
The timeline between Thriller Bark and Sabody is extremly tight, because when the Strawhats get to sabody ace's execution was anounced, and it was planed since the night on Thriller bark. So that leaves after Sabodi, when the strawhats are separated, and marineford gets destroyed, and sengoku and garp are still marines.
Well good points but still if chapter 0 is canon we have to see Shiki once again… or he died off-screen in the manga xD
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Shiki and Moria are having an orgy in the afterlife together :ninja:
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so is kong the one that ordered moria be killed by doflamingo?
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No, the Five Elder Stars did. I don't even know what position Kong has, it's confusing.
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World Government Commander in Chief , right below the gorousei , above the marines , government agents, cipher poll and shichibukai (and I suspect ID force too)
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so actually Kong has no power..it
s more like a position you get in your older years to have some nicce last years. he just gives the orders from the WG to sengoku and is just allowed to maybe do some decisions regarding what to do with a VA or admiral like seen. but in the end its more a formla position, which he took after being fleet admiral.Unrevealed: Loki/Rocks/the man marked by flames/Im-san
Island: Elbaf/Raftel/GodValley
Unresolved: Weevil´s plan/Joy-Boy/Zunisha´s story/Rocks flashback/Void Century/Rioponeglyph/Uranus/the D.clan
DFWind/Metal/Acid/Liquid/Time-Stop
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Sengoku is the head of the marines , Kong is the head of all armies including the marines.
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onemanga translated frankys line as "got it"
When I die I want to get shot out of a cannon. Scare the hell out of someone.
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Hmm, after seeing that scan I just realized Enies Lobby should be pronounced "ehn-ee-ehs" Lobby. I always pronounced it "ehn-ees" Lobby.
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Sengoku is the head of the marines , Kong is the head of all armies including the marines.
yeah like you say Sengoku is responible for all actions of the marines.
Kong is "just" the guy who gives to marine and WG-armees the orders of the 5 Gorousei. -
@JERK:
No the best was this.
http://apforums.net/showpost.php?p=1457694&postcount=888The overused "FFFFFF" meme only makes me happier that it didn't go his way
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Sengoku is the head of the marines , Kong is the head of all armies including the marines.
Aside from the black suited agents and Cipher Pols, what the hell other armies are you talking about?
1\. Ace (√), 2\. WB (√), 3\. BB (X), 4\. Perona (√) 5\. Boa (√) 6\. Jimbei (???), 7\. Sabo lives (√), 8\. Timeskip (√)
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@Don:
so actually Kong has no power..it
s more like a position you get in your older years to have some nicce last years. he just gives the orders from the WG to sengoku and is just allowed to maybe do some decisions regarding what to do with a VA or admiral like seen. but in the end its more a formla position, which he took after being fleet admiral.What part of "Commander in chief of all the forces" didn't you get ? :getlost:
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@JERK:
Aside from the black suited agents and Cipher Pols, what the hell other armies are you talking about?
There's the Seven Armed Seas and Impel Down's staff. The SAS anyway.
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@JERK:
Aside from the black suited agents and Cipher Pols, what the hell other armies are you talking about?
I assume he means whatever they use to keep the peace on the Red Line.
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@No:
What part of "Commander in chief of all the forces" didn't you get ? :getlost:
What part of "Queen of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" don't you get? :getlost:
Oh wait lol, that's just a ceremonial position too.
1\. Ace (√), 2\. WB (√), 3\. BB (X), 4\. Perona (√) 5\. Boa (√) 6\. Jimbei (???), 7\. Sabo lives (√), 8\. Timeskip (√)
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@JERK:
Aside from the black suited agents and Cipher Pols, what the hell other armies are you talking about?
Impel Down
Specific cipher pol
and if Doflamingo was in fact ordered to off Moria by Kuma , then also the shichibukai (it's in the chart too)
@ JD : so is Fleet Admiral in the real world . Except in times of war .
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Kong probably could make convincing suggestions to kings of allied countries to the WG about what they should do with their armies.
Other than that there are no other armies.
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@No:
Cipher Pol , Agent services , Impel Down staff
There's a diagram of this shit out since the Yellow databook .
Yeah I pointed it out myself before.
I mean suggestion is different from command isn't it?
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Of course you have to include those knight fellows that protect the nobles , and who I believe we have seen in Mariejoa too in the Cobra/Wapol flashback if I remember correctly .
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onemanga translated frankys line as "got it"
Speaking of Onemanga translations they also changed the Gorousei's words from "We need to elect a more influential person" to "We must elect the most powerful".
This could be used as a case against the Buggy for Shichibukai camp. Buggy is far more influential than powerful but I guess the question is do the Gorousei know that… And it depends on which translation you trust more.
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This week mangastream's scan seemed in good english , so I will go with theirs for the moment .
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Onemanga translations are usually shit, why are you caring about them.
1\. Ace (√), 2\. WB (√), 3\. BB (X), 4\. Perona (√) 5\. Boa (√) 6\. Jimbei (???), 7\. Sabo lives (√), 8\. Timeskip (√)
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They get it from diferent groups so it varies in quality .
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@JERK:
What part of "Queen of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" don't you get? :getlost:
Oh wait lol, that's just a ceremonial position too.
not even that…actually she
s just the owner of the title in place for the pope. cause hes so gracious^^@ No Maam
i still think that Kong just tells the armees what the Gorousei wants him to say.
i dont argue about the point that he sure could order an WG armee of his own, when its about a little kingdom which doesnt need the attention of the 5 Gorousei. But in the end when he orders something and the Gorousei arent agreeing with that, who do you think has to back down? -
That goes for everybody . I stil believe Kong is the person whom the Gorousei entrust with leading the military and only intervene when something displeases them , which would usualy fit with the government role - after all the Gorousei , so far as we know , lead the government , not Kong .
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Soo, any idea what
SA2Y (?) means? Or is thatSO2Y (?)Is it something that's supposed to make sense in Japanese?
My first thought was dont come near SA for 2 years (train your asses) than we meet
but I am just saying what has crossed my mind, not some theory, because partially it makes sense than again it does not
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@No:
That goes for everybody . I stil believe Kong is the person whom the Gorousei entrust with leading the military and only intervene when something displeases them , which would usualy fit with the government role - after all the Gorousei , so far as we know , lead the government , not Kong .
so far we also saw them discuss about most of the important accidents and what they should do about it.
so you agree with me that the Gorousei are the actual guys in command, but Kong has to give their orders to the lower people(their armees).
i never said his position would be worth nothing, but hes not rly in command and so has no real power.(besides from time to time giving maybe orders of his own which arent important enough for the Gorousei)Sengoku on the other hand has to oder on his own how he will use his marines strategic.
also hes responsible for all the fails of the marines , while Kong (who has a slightly higher position but without more power) just is kind of a message boy for the Gorousei, who has a nice spot their cause he cant rly fail.He gained his position cause as the former fleet admiral he deseves now a higher position with less resposibility for his old days^^
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@JERK:
Onemanga translations are usually shit, why are you caring about them.
because forsooth is a shitty translation.
When I die I want to get shot out of a cannon. Scare the hell out of someone.
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@JERK:
Onemanga translations are usually shit, why are you caring about them.
Mangastream: although, there were two… dull looking men with you
onemanga: though, there was one rather stupid looking guy with you.I would think that onemanga is right, that it is just Zorro who is the stupid one.
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@Kairouseki:
Why ?
Because it's old English from the time of Shakespeare. We don't use it any more–and I didn't see Luffy giving a soliloquy while he was mourning
ala: "Alas! Poor Ace, I knew him well..."
Which would have given the comment "Forsooth!" a context in which it would have made sense. It just sounded dumb and out of place.
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I can't verify, I have no access to raws for 594 yet.
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I can't verify, I have no access to raws for 594 yet.
When you have, I would like you, if possible, to give a better translation to Nami's words too. It just seems strange to her….
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Mangastream: although, there were two… dull looking men with you
onemanga: though, there was one rather stupid looking guy with you.I would think that onemanga is right, that it is just Zorro who is the stupid one.
So when you see them use the word "dull" you think of dull lighting or something else that completely ignores the context of the sentence and the word being used?
