16 rings, 2 rings for each strawhat?
That is quite possibly the most reasonable theory I have ever read.
Chapter 594: "Message" Discussion
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If 16 bell rings means the ending of an era and the beginning of the next, the meeting place will be Lougetown - The Town of Beginning and End. It is a perfect place with few Marines. It is also at the crossroads of East, West, North, South blue as well as the Grand Line.
Besides, if the Straw Hats' meeting place is at Sabody, like Rayleigh said, the same defeat will happen again, especially since the Marines at now hot on their bounties. Regrouping at Lougetown allows them to gather what they know and learnt, like Nami's adventure on Weatheria. Luffy can also teach them (or at least the Monster Trio) about Haki (which he learnt from Amazon Lily or Rayleigh).
But how would the story go from there? Will they climb Reverse Mountain again (and allow Brook to fufill his dream, so that he can have a new dream) and explore the six other routes? And if they do explore other routes, it would increase their sphere of influence.
So many possibilities, Oda is extremely smart.
EDIT: But how will the Straw Hats reach Lougetown?
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no they will definitely go to the new world. Oda obviously wants Chopper to find Luffy first since he is the only one actually heading there.
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Lets go back to Loguetown and start all over from the beginning.
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That's retarded:
- Ending Brook's dream so early
- Having to travel in another ship
- Having to travel 5-7 islands again to get to FI
- In the end they would have to go to Sabody again, getting experience from places where there won't be that much of a challenge. Their "Levels" wouldn't boost that much.
- The risk of Vivi joining again
- The marines could predict their movements, and send Akainu to fuck them up easily
- The super nova are already at the new world
- The relevant people are planing on going to the new world
- The super relevant people are already at the new world
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That's retarded:
- Ending Brook's dream so early
- Having to travel in another ship
- Having to travel 5-7 islands again to get to FI
- In the end they would have to go to Sabody again, getting experience from places where there won't be that much of a challenge. Their "Levels" wouldn't boost that much.
- The risk of Vivi joining again
- The marines could predict their movements, and send Akainu to fuck them up easily
- The super nova are already at the new world
- The relevant people are planing on going to the new world
- The super relevant people are already at the new world
16 characters of thank you
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The first letter of the tattoo still looks odd, somehow I think there is more then an S in the line, but the other side is hidden.
I mean that the S is crossed with only by one slash / , not by an X like in Ace's tattoo (or like Sabo's flag). And the next letter has one inverted slash \ , if you consider that it isn't part of the letter, so together they may form one big X crossing the first 2 lines, like this:
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/\So it may be that we are seeing only the right half of the lines in the tattoo.
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If 16 bell rings means the ending of an era and the beginning of the next, the meeting place will be Lougetown - The Town of Beginning and End. It is a perfect place with few Marines. It is also at the crossroads of East, West, North, South blue as well as the Grand Line.
Besides, if the Straw Hats' meeting place is at Sabody, like Rayleigh said, the same defeat will happen again, especially since the Marines at now hot on their bounties. Regrouping at Lougetown allows them to gather what they know and learnt, like Nami's adventure on Weatheria. Luffy can also teach them (or at least the Monster Trio) about Haki (which he learnt from Amazon Lily or Rayleigh).
But how would the story go from there? Will they climb Reverse Mountain again (and allow Brook to fufill his dream, so that he can have a new dream) and explore the six other routes? And if they do explore other routes, it would increase their sphere of influence.
So many possibilities, Oda is extremely smart.
EDIT: But how will the Straw Hats reach Lougetown?
Why in the world would they go all the way back to Loguetown.
And the rest of your suggestions completely destroy the wonderful build up that the New World has just received. Why would they explore the other routes of the Grand Line? What good would that do? As said in this chapter, the first part of the Grand Line is paradise. They've done all that they can to conquer the first part of the Grand Line and faced a lot of obstacles. They would gain nothing from going back to the beginning and starting their adventures all over again in the midst of everything that is happening right now.
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I just reread the War arc (before onemanga disappears)… Bonney said she was going to hunt the guy she blamed for everything that happened there. So, yeah, I think she is the one BB will screw.
I hope we see the moment he catches her, so we can see he nullify her ability and we'll know for sure how old is she (I would prefer an old lady, but it seems more likely she is a child).
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I don't think there is a single OP fan that don't know Ace died.
my GF doesn't know I just got her into one piece just finished watching the anime so she's probably going to catch up to the manga now… I expect to see her cry cuz she loves ace
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Tears of joy .
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The message isn't the tatoo.
Come on man.
The message is not not the tattoo.
Hey this is pretty easy. It is only what I think it likely is, maybe I'm right maybe I'm wrong. I could have sworn nobody here knows for certain what the message is yet. Hopefully we'll see in a week.
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is it just me or do these two islands seem familiar
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The highest mountain doesn't seem to be high enough in the island Hawkins is at. It might be the angle but I doubt it's the same island but even it is just shows Oda keeping up with those things that don't necessarily mean much.
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Hmm… this is a theory on Luffy's tattoo.
It looks like this:
3
D
2
Ywith an x through the 3 and the D.
so could it mean that instead of the crew meeting in 3 days time, they should meet in 2 years time. That way everyone can learn skills from their respective locations and it also explains why Nami said what she did.idk though.... its speculation
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IMO the "3 Days" theory doesn't make sense,many days have passed already,SH already know that…
I think it's more like "SD2Y"...
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-Brownbeard may seem like a joke character now but Oda can always throw us for a loop and have him end up ridiculously strong
-Can't see Capone Gang Bege being sucked up by anything other than a giant cephalopod
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Hmm… this is a theory on Luffy's tattoo.
It looks like this:
3
D
2
Ywith an x through the 3 and the D.
so could it mean that instead of the crew meeting in 3 days time, they should meet in 2 years time. That way everyone can learn skills from their respective locations and it also explains why Nami said what she did.idk though.... its speculation
I came up with this already :P Both in this topic and the "Luffy's Message" one. But yeah, look at chapter 511, page 10ish, gettin chased by Kuma and whatnot… "Let's meet back in 3 days!" Obviously they didn't meet back in 3 days. 3D (marked out) and 2Y means-- "3 days? No, 2 years!" 2 years being the amount of time Rayleigh needs to teach him Haki (not surprising, considering that this very chapter says it takes years)-- they decided to get a message out to the crew right away so he could learn it. Also not surprising cuz of how Oda said it'd be "luffy's last adventure as a 17 year old" and we were already expecting the skip, just weren't sure how long til now. And yes, Nami's reaction did fit as well.
But I was glad to find that out and be able to share it with everyone, and glad more people are becoming aware as well. -
I came up with this already :P Both in this topic and the "Luffy's Message" one. But yeah, look at chapter 511, page 10ish, gettin chased by Kuma and whatnot… "Let's meet back in 3 days!" Obviously they didn't meet back in 3 days. 3D (marked out) and 2Y means-- "3 days? No, 2 years!" 2 years being the amount of time Rayleigh needs to teach him Haki (not surprising, considering that this very chapter says it takes years)-- they decided to get a message out to the crew right away so he could learn it. Also not surprising cuz of how Oda said it'd be "luffy's last adventure as a 17 year old" and we were already expecting the skip, just weren't sure how long til now. And yes, Nami's reaction did fit as well.
But I was glad to find that out and be able to share it with everyone, and glad more people are becoming aware as well.This is assuming that they use the English phrasing. Which probably isn't the case.
But this is the most solid theory I've heard. Good job.
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is it just me or do these two islands seem familiar
! http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/3951/98074747.jpg
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/1410/58585659.pngWhy would Shanks be chilling on a Island that is the territory of Whitebeard?
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-Can't see Capone Gang Bege being sucked up by anything other than a giant cephalopod
Isn't it the part where Shiki appears ??? :wassat:
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Isn't it the part where Shiki appears ??? :wassat:
Haven't seen the movie and don't consider Movie 10 canon unless otherwise stated by Oda/explicitly shown in the manga.
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This is assuming that they use the English phrasing. Which probably isn't the case.
But this is the most solid theory I've heard. Good job.
You see english phrasing in this very chapter :P Wanted posters, pirate names– Ace's tattoo too, of course, though it's mainly on that first one that you see words other than names in english ("dead or alive", etc).
(Also note: Luffy's here isn't a tattoo, especially not a permanent one; and that armbands are common during funerals in east asia) -
I knew 3 days came up somewhere but was having a hard time finding it haha
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You see english phrasing in this very chapter :P Wanted posters, pirate names– Ace's tattoo too, of course, though it's mainly on that first one that you see words other than names in english ("dead or alive", etc).
(Also note: Luffy's here isn't a tattoo, especially not a permanent one; and that armbands are common during funerals in east asia)I'm all for your theory but I'm just finding it odd. As an example posted in another thread, (assuming it was an S and an A at the start of the tattoo) it wouldn't make sense for Oda to use those two to designate "Sabaody Archipelago" since it's シャボンディ諸島 (SS). Now just attach this thought process to 3 D and you'll see where I'm coming from.
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I attached the "Dead or Alive" wanted poster from this very chapter, which actually exists, to it instead :P
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what about the 2 Y then? 3 D makes as much sense as 2 Y
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I don't think anyone disputed that they make an equal amount of sense :P
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I attached the "Dead or Alive" wanted poster from this very chapter, which actually exists, to it instead :P
Those are standards, though. We've seen them time and time again. Also, official romanized names from Oda would explain Ace's tattoo.
I'm just playing devil's advocate here. I'm fairly sure you're onto the right track but it just seems odd to use English here.
what about the 2 Y then? 3 D makes as much sense as 2 Y
That was meant to encompass the entire concept, not specifically 3 D.
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Haven't seen the movie and don't consider Movie 10 canon unless otherwise stated by Oda/explicitly shown in the manga.
Only if you can consider Strong World Chapter 0 canon and the mention of Shiki by Sengoku in Chapter 530 to be related.
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Only if you can consider Strong World Chapter 0 canon and the mention of Shiki by Sengoku in Chapter 530 to be related.
On the contrary. Those two are most certainly canon but for all we know, Shiki could have failed at his plan without Luffy and co. ever encountering him. Not considering it otherwise unless it comes from Oda's mouth/pen.
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I think just by mentioning Shiki in that chapter, Oda could easily introduce him now. He did the same thing with Basco Shot, San Juan Wolf, and Devon in chapter 538 and had them appear towards the end of the war. He's at least left it a little open for later addition if needed … if he failed he probably won't show up and if not, anything's possible.
I think at best it's 50/50 shot of him either appearing or not. Maybe he was mentioned just because of (the upcoming at the time) Movie 10 or maybe he was mentioned because he'll appear at some point in the manga .. only Oda knows at this point I guess.
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I think just by mentioning Shiki in that chapter, Oda could easily introduce him now.
Oh, absolutely he can! :happy:
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Shiki is canon, movie 10 isn't. It isn't hard
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Wait, some people actually think Movie 10 is canon even without confirmation from Oda yet?
"Yes, I'm only bones, but that's because I have an interest… in dieting."
-Gentleman Skeleton Brook
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I totally think the tatoo is Sa2y meaning
S = the tattoo/or arm band/cock ring
a = has nothing
2 = 2 do
y = with the fking message to the straw hat crew…...................................................:ninja:....................................................
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I totally think the tatoo is Sa2y meaning
S = the tattoo
a = has nothing
2 = 2 do
y = with the fking message to the straw hat crew…...................................................:ninja:....................................................
I'll second that :sideways: …. ha....would you look at that...my first post turned out to be spam .
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I looked up the guy, I kinda feel sorry for him. That was the last post he ever made.
Ahh well, sorry for the OT remark.
ahahaahaha, this was his second to last post.
1\. Ace (√), 2\. WB (√), 3\. BB (X), 4\. Perona (√) 5\. Boa (√) 6\. Jimbei (???), 7\. Sabo lives (√), 8\. Timeskip (√)
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I am sure that he used this "Silent Prayer" as a way to show his "tattoo" to his crewm8s…but well that's just my opinion
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n.;1762198']I am sure that he used this "Silent Prayer" as a way to show his "tattoo" to his crewm8s…but well that's just my opinion
And this would have happened before the photo-shoot with the local photographers, and the cup of coffee , over which to discuss which picture would fit best in the paper. Now that we've seen the paper, I suppose we can all agree that Luffy and the photographers went for ' titillating but not revealing ' … classic choice , old but not outdated
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar T_T
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And this would have happened before the photo-shoot with the local photographers, and the cup of coffee , over which to discuss which picture would fit best in the paper. Now that we've seen the paper, I suppose we can all agree that Luffy and the photographers went for ' titillating but not revealing ' … classic choice , old but not outdated
There's the possibility of the reporters writing the the Tattoo says in the article though.
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I totally think the tatoo is Sa2y meaning
S = the tattoo/or arm band/cock ring
a = has nothing
2 = 2 do
y = with the fking message to the straw hat crew…...................................................:ninja:....................................................
i think so too…
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There's the possibility of the reporters writing the the Tattoo says in the article though.
They could have. Except if they did, there would have been no reason to keep it from the readers, since Oda revealed the article in detail via comments from Brandnew and Killer. And if the tattoo would have been anything to be taken into account, Brandnew would've focused on it a bit more, instead of focusing on the fact that ringing the Ox Bell twice is a sign of some kind of disaster, and Luffy rang it 16 times.
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar T_T
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They could have. Except if they did, there would have been no reason to keep it from the readers, since Oda revealed the article in detail via comments from Brandnew and Killer. And if the tattoo would have been anything to be taken into account, Brandnew would've focused on it a bit more, instead of focusing on the fact that ringing the Ox Bell twice is a sign of some kind of disaster, and Luffy rang it 16 times.
Unless all the other pirates wouldn't think much of it… and it would stick out to his crew. And it might be revealed next chapter that the crew were giving their acknowledgment to the tattoo in the article. The tattoo has a meaning to it else Luffy wouldnt have bothered putting it on. Weather it be a message to his crew or not. Just saying this stuff is a possibility even if it's not likely to happen. I don't like to rule out possibilities and stick with one thing only.
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Unless all the other pirates wouldn't think much of it… and it would stick out to his crew. And it might be revealed next chapter that the crew were giving their acknowledgment to the tattoo in the article. The tattoo has a meaning to it else Luffy wouldnt have bothered putting it on. Weather it be a message to his crew or not. Just saying this stuff is a possibility even if it's not likely to happen. I don't like to rule out possibilities and stick with one thing only.
No one's ruling anything out. It's obvious the tattoo has some kind of value, be it emotional, be it an homage, or w/e . It's just that at this point it's a loose-canon . It's nature is inherently speculative . On one side because it's a tattoo , and those rarely mean anything to anyone unless explained by the wearer , and on the other hand because it's partially visible.
So at this point it makes a bucket and half more sense ( totally pulled that out of thin air, there's no actual measurement ) to exclude the tattoo altogether from the message. Especially since we have the delicious symbolism of the 16 bells,as explained by Killer.
The tattoo should and will be explained soon enough, I imagine in a half-page panel , featuring a big ass DON in the background. But at this point it simply overcomplicates things, to consider it a part of the message, or the message being a new location, or a time-frame,or as I heard on some other forum … RESISTANCE , because the third character looks like an OMEGA, which in physics is the symbol for Ohm, the measuring unit for electrical resistance <----Yeah...you know...cause physics is part of the pirate curriculum .
So considering the 16 bells mean thanking the previous year and praying for a good new one, or w/e , it's basically a tradition signalling the end of one era and the start of another, which is why Kid took it at Luffy declaring this is his age now. But if you stick to Occam's razor, it's much simpler than that...since his nakama were worried about him and how he's feeling, and here he is doing this symbolic gesture that pretty much should mean " I'm here, I'm okay , I'm ready to continue our journey " <--- Supported by the fact that Killer commented on his inappropriate timing. So , since the year isn't ending, then he should be referring to the other thing ending for him and his crew : their journey throughout the first half of the GL.
And there's a hint to this in Nami's reaction. Calling him selfish, since just a while ago she was crying over the fact that no one's there to comfort him, and here he is , doing fine on his own ... that selfish bastard O_O
Well...my two cents, anyway....I gave up trying to figure out the man that came up with 20 months in the womb. I'm just saying...cryptologists...take a breather bros...relax, drink a beer...just a few more days ...let's keep running the tattoo through pattern recognition software for later :D
.........Side note : I wanted to spell-check this...but tl;dr T_T
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Sorry I'm a bit late but I just got back on AP in the middle of this morning lol. Brilliant chapter! It's funny I was able to have hours of OP discussion this morning with my good friend, without spoilering. There's so much she needs to read! XD
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So how did you like
KONG ?!
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I call him King kong… Since he's like the king of the marines yeah? But i think he looks pretty bad ass... I want to see him fight... Climb a high building and just throw crap with his hadoken devil fruit power.
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