Hm I just noticed what Hawkins was sitting atop of. Ahh Oda, you are the king of little details.
Basil Hawkins: He can play "Magic: The Gathering" while teabagging his oppenents literally at the same damn time.
Chapter 594: "Message" Discussion
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What if what sucked up Capone's ship is San Juan? Like he has some floating blimp DF?
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The comparison fits so I see nothing wrong with brining it up, and all those points you describe would make for a Dictator who would kill you if you did one thing that he didn't agree with. i also never said that Akainu didn't perform the best in the war, because he did.
But what I was pointing out seems to have gotten lost. Akainu while he would be an effective leader of a war ect… Would not make a good leader in times of Semi-stable peace like the One Piece world is in now. He would just throw it further into disarray.
Anyways I can see this straying further and further from what I was initially pointing out....
Often times it lead to a strong central government that was able to protect its people so they were able to prosper and expand. Not saying it created utopias and there was definitely classism and caste but its not like the WG under sengoku didn't suffer from these things as well. At least under Akainu they would get shit done.
Your points that he would makes an effective leader during a war but not during the time of great upheaval seems conflicting. This state of semi-stability IS a war, the pirates are completely out of control and there's nothing to balance it out anymore. How would Akainu securing the safe havens of the Blues and dealing crushing blows to pirates on the Grand Line cause things to get further out of hand now when there is an abundance of out of control pirates…
I don't consider Akainu evil by any stretch of the imagination anymore than i consider WB/Shanks/Luffy good. He's an antagonist, and a very good one...
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As for Akainu being Fleet Admiral. Who says all fleet Admirals have to perform their roles the same way? Maybe Sengoku didn't take a more hands-on approach because he didnt' want or have to do so. Things will be far more chaotic from now on so why can't Akainu be out on the Seas ordering decimation of pirates in eyes view.
Good point. Sengoku didn't have to take a more hands on role because he had Akainu, Kizaru & Ao Kiji…as well as the Shichbukai out there on the frontlines to deal with the pirates.
But on the other hand..what good is having a central command of the Marines, if the leader of the fleet isn't there to command the forces all over the world??
This is why OP is just so awesome. Its brilliant on so many levels....he always keeps surprising us...the story gets better and better and the best has yet to come.
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@Zik:
Beating up fodder marines means nothing. He's seen eating most of the time anyway.
He said that line about WB because he probably looks up to him and cuz he's soft. Got his crew calling him father. He probably really aint about that mafia life and just has family issues.
He's a mafia boss, he's awesome, has a cool DF even if it isn't a overpowered fruit, he's soft, but he's ruthless against those that don't trust him or dare speak up to him
That, my friend, is what everyone except you calls…
Awesome
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Why don't people want Akainu as the fleet admiral? He's an evil badass mofucker… he should be the one to charge marine force into the New World. He's one of the biggest villians in OP at the moment. A title like Fleet Admiral for Akainu would make the current WG more evil than good.
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Often times it lead to a strong central government that was able to protect its people so they were able to prosper and expand. Not saying it created utopias and there was definitely classism and caste but its not like the WG under sengoku didn't suffer from these things as well. At least under Akainu they would get shit done.
Your points that he would makes an effective leader during a war but not during the time of great upheaval seems conflicting. This state of semi-stability IS a war, the pirates are completely out of control and there's nothing to balance it out anymore. How would Akainu securing the safe havens of the Blues and dealing crushing blows to pirates on the Grand Line cause things to get further out of hand now when there is an abundance of out of control pirates…
I don't consider Akainu evil by any stretch of the imagination anymore than i consider WB/Shanks/Luffy good. He's an antagonist, and a very good one...
I dunno, maybe because he's someone with zero qualms with murdering civilians just out of the chance it could help?
Love the vaguely Stalinist apologia too. GREAT post.
Akainu is a villain you creepy fascist fuck.
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LOL.. i doubt that the message will be that complicated.. and dont you think that the tatoo on Luffys arm got nothing to do with it? because theres a chance that it couldnt get photgraphed..
Should look more on the meaning of the 16 bell rings.. that killer explained that the beginning and the end of a year or the ending of the old age and the beginning of the new age..
which have been mentioned before..
beginnig and the end –- Louge Town -- home town of roger and where he was executed...
Robin mentioned Roger's name aswell when she's looking at the newspaper aswell
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Robin mentioned Roger's name aswell when she's looking at the newspaper aswell
No she didn't, she was saying "roger" in the sense of "I copy that commander".
And you're loony if you think it means they'll go to Louge Town.
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Slaughtering Refugees Because A Scholar Might Be Among Them Is Not Evil By Any Stretch Of The Imagination Guyz :)
Akainu's just an antagonist, not a villain, he's just liek Aokijiwish MY leaders did that….
Gawd, it would be soo cool if someone blew up my school when everyone was there cuz a terrorist was possibly in the basement
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@SGR: Blackbeard's hunting someone down, but you have to realize that he does leave a lot of things to fate. Basically, Blackbeard has no interest in killing off someone he's already beaten to the verge of death. If the guy lives, he lives. If he dies, he dies. End of story. It's just how he does things.
I don't think any of the Supernovas are going to die soon, looking at the chapter again. Bege is in trouble, but his power might be a good way to avert disaster.
As for the rest of the SNs, look at it this way:
Kidd/Killer/Law: Rivals (or crewmate of rival) of LuffyHawkins: Strong guy who is interested in Luffy's abilities.
Bonney/Drake: Past that can make for a good story in the future.
Urouge: On a strange island that could be important.
Apoo/Bege: No significance to the plot right now.
And that's why it's more likely that one of those two are either dead, or injured by BB.
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Lordzeb, the fanboy who justifies police state logic because he likes a character too much.
1\. Ace (√), 2\. WB (√), 3\. BB (X), 4\. Perona (√) 5\. Boa (√) 6\. Jimbei (???), 7\. Sabo lives (√), 8\. Timeskip (√)
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Why can't it be Drake that will fall to Blackbeard?
He was a marine and he's the most kindhearted of the non-strawhat Supernovae, most logical prey for the recently self appointed king of evil.
I also think that between all the Supernovae, his powers are the less varied (along with Urouge for what we know, but he seems alive and well), Oda couldn't really do much with a T-Rex zoan in a fight.
Compare his powers to Kidd's magnetism, Law's Room, Hawkins' vodoo, Apoo's musical body, ecc…
Prepare! The new age is coming!
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Allow me a moment to squeal with delight over KONG .
-makes degrading , unmanly sound-
Kay I'm done . Awesome chapter , the best one since the war . Also it would apear Oda just introduced the WG top tier for the New World .
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Akainu is a man who doesn't hesitate to kill even other marines… His vision of justice is dangerous. He may abuse his power and massacre entire towns just because they didn't denounce a pirate... That's why it's a bad idea to give him any more power than he already has. It seems pretty obvious to me.
As for the supernova down, I'd say apoo 'cause I never liked that character... A dinosaur fruit is much more amusing, and you KNOW oda is going to love toying with that so no, I don't think it could be drake...
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@JERK:
Slaughtering Refugees Because A Scholar Might Be Among Them Is Not Evil By Any Stretch Of The Imagination Guyz :)
Akainu's just an antagonist, not a villain, he's just liek Aokijiwish MY leaders did that….
Gawd, it would be soo cool if someone blew up my school when everyone was there cuz a terrorist was possibly in the basement
Then move to Israel. Exact thing you described was big news like 4 years ago or so.
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@imp:
Akainu is a man who doesn't hesitate to kill even other marines… His vision of justice is dangerous. He may abuse his power and massacre entire towns just because they didn't denounce a pirate... That's why it's a bad idea to give him any more power than he already has. It seems pretty obvious to me.
It's a good idea for the plot. The WG elders are corrupt and and Akainu is very harsh. If we want the WG to be an evil opponant for Luffy, then Akainu would be better getting the Fleet Admiral seat.
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Here's citizenship status to the Union of Myanmar, will you accept.
LordZeb: Oh yes!!!
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Oh, Zoro, how much of an idiot can you still become? :getlost:
I think the supernova Teach took out is Bonney. The reasons in chapter 581.
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Why can't it be Drake that will fall to Blackbeard?
He was a marine and he's the most kindhearted of the non-strawhat Supernovae, most logical prey for the recently self appointed king of evil.
I also think that between all the Supernovae, his powers are the less varied (along with Urouge for what we know, but he seems alive and well), Oda couldn't really do much with a T-Rex logia in a fight.
Compare his powers to Kidd's magnetism, Law's Room, Hawkins' vodoo, Apoo's musical body, ecc…
T-Rex logia sounds awesome. But how would that work? :blink:
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Often times it lead to a strong central government that was able to protect its people so they were able to prosper and expand. Not saying it created utopias and there was definitely classism and caste but its not like the WG under sengoku didn't suffer from these things as well. At least under Akainu they would get shit done.
Your points that he would makes an effective leader during a war but not during the time of great upheaval seems conflicting. This state of semi-stability IS a war, the pirates are completely out of control and there's nothing to balance it out anymore. How would Akainu securing the safe havens of the Blues and dealing crushing blows to pirates on the Grand Line cause things to get further out of hand now when there is an abundance of out of control pirates…
I don't consider Akainu evil by any stretch of the imagination anymore than i consider WB/Shanks/Luffy good. He's an antagonist, and a very good one...
You say that they would accomplish stuff if Akainu was in-charge, but what would they accomplish? What if they completely destroyed all pirates, do you think more pirate's wouldn't pop up? Why would Akainu even need to get involved with weak pirate's in the blues when there are marine bases stationed there already?
Granted the world in One Piece is a bit chaotic right now because of Whitebeard's death, but why entrust the safety of people to someone who would as soon kill them if they stepped out of line.
Also how is there nothing to balance out the pirate's do you think the whole infrastructure of the marines has collapsed because of the results of the war, because it hasn't. The pirates are getting a little rowdy after getting all excited and riled up. If the marines can't deal with that then I don't see how they have survived 800 years.
Also Akainu's justice lies with the preservation of the World Government at all costs, look at Ohara. From what we've seen he doesn't seem to mind much slaughtering people to preserve that government. Someone like that is unfit to be in a position of influence.
@$abZ:
It's a good idea for the plot. The WG elders are corrupt and and Akainu is very harsh. If we want the WG to be an evil opponant for Luffy, then Akainu would be better getting the Fleet Admiral seat.
How are the World Government Elders corrupt?
I'll say it again turning the World Government evil would be horrible writing. Why would an Organization that has protected the peace for 800 years throw all that away in a span of a couple of years and become evil. Even if that war with that ancient civilization 800 years ago wasn't justified, even if they are hiding the truth from people, that doesn't change the fact that they have been preserving the peace amongst regular people for 800 years.
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He's a mafia boss, he's awesome, has a cool DF even if it isn't a overpowered fruit, he's soft, but he's ruthless against those that don't trust him or dare speak up to him
That, my friend, is what everyone except you calls…
Awesome
Quite frankly only you have said it. Maybe you don't know what awesome means?
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Akainu is hardly the "MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH, I'M SO EVIL"
He has the extremely wrong methods to achieve the extremely right cause
I like that type of character, not the "I'm so evil", but the character that is trying to achieve something good and in which what he does, although assholish, can in practice actually lead him there -
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@JERK:
I dunno, maybe because he's someone with zero qualms with murdering civilians just out of the chance it could help?
Love the vaguely Stalinist apologia too. GREAT post.
Akainu is a villain you creepy fascist fuck.
Could you protect the future from a terrible criminal you allowed to escape in just a split-seconds hesitation?
I doubt it. You'd do what? Take it to committee and deliberate on it for 2 months then take a vote that has to pass two legislative bodies with 3/4ths approval then be signed into law and if any one of those steps should fail we should start over and talk about it for another 2 months?
scream commi nazi facist all you want but the citizens of Ohara either knew what was going on and if they didn't the Scholars are at fault for not warning them that they were breaking the law and making everyone on the island guilty by association by doing so. But those are the good guys right? Criminals are the heroes, they did nothing wrong by breaking the law because you don't like the law. Sure luffy broke a shit ton of prisoners out of jail but down with the fascist system!
you sir are a riot
that i will beat into the ground with my baton until you stop posting
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Akainu is hardly the "MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH, I'M SO EVIL"
He has the extremely wrong methods to achieve the extremely right cause
I like that type of character, not the "I'm so evil", but the character that is trying to achieve something good and in which what he does, although assholish, can in practice actually lead him thereReally though, I don't think Akainu is evil, but he doesn't seem to care about the preservation of people rather he cares about the preservation of the World Government, and any government that exists should care about the preservation of the citizens before the preservation of the government.
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who the eff is kong i thought it was pan
I ain't never seen anybody fall like that before. I had to…I caught ya by ya titties. That was nice. So firm and perky.- Kevin Hart
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Really though, I don't think Akainu is evil, but he doesn't seem to care about the preservation of people rather he cares about the preservation of the World Government, and any government that exists should care about the preservation of the citizens before the preservation of the government.
I don't think that's true
I think that, much like Hannyabal, he believes that the thing he does is helping people, and indeed, in general, for the most part, it is helping the world, or at least, aside from the Tenryuubito, nothing has shown the opposite ofit -
How are the World Government Elders corrupt?
I'll say it again turning the World Government evil would be horrible writing. Why would an Organization that has protected the peace for 800 years throw all that away in a span of a couple of years and become evil. Even if that war with that ancient civilization 800 years ago wasn't justified, even if they are hiding the truth from people, that doesn't change the fact that they have been preserving the peace amongst regular people for 800 years.
The elders are corrupt because they're hiding things for the public and even their own fleet admiral. The WG version of peace is order, not freedom for people. That's what Oda is getting at. The WG now want to flush out all the pirates causing havoc, and Akainu is a brutal bastard who has no remorce, so he'd be the best at leading the marines. The killing of Moria shows how the elders have a similar attitude to Akainu… get shit done and have no mercy if you think it'll lead to peace.
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Once again hoping that Bege gets what's coming to him. Bland character.
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The writing on Luffy's arm says "sony" as in "Sunny".
It's not a tattoo, it's a message to the other crewmates that they'll meet again at the Sunny-Go.claiming this prediction right now.
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I don't think that's true
I think that, much like Hannyabal, he believes that the thing he does is helping people, and indeed, in general, for the most part, it is helping the world, or at least, aside from the Tenryuubito, nothing has shown the opposite ofitI won't agree with that at all. everything he has done, to me, shows he rather protect the government than the people.
Though I'm not above the idea that Oda could always add more back-story or show events that change my view on him a bit.
@$abZ:
The elders are corrupt because they're hiding things for the public and even their own fleet admiral. The WG version of peace is order, not freedom for people. That's what Oda is getting at. The WG now want to flush out all the pirates causing havoc, and Akainu is a brutal bastard who has no remorce, so he'd be the best at leading the marines. The killing of Moria shows how the elders have a similar attitude to Akainu… get shit done and have no mercy if you think it'll lead to peace.
I thought that is what you would say and I dislike the World Government also.
I don't see a real justifiable means of there existence other than to keep that secret of 800 years ago hidden and the fact that they are in control of the marines, who are the ones that protect the civilians from pirates. Though, I will acknowledge that is might be possible that protecting the civilians is simply a by-product of protecting Raftel, and that secret of 800 years ago from the pirates. if that's the case i see no reason for there existence except the fact that they enjoy their power because the marines could likely continue existing without the World Government.
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Yeah looking at the tattoo. It does look like SA2Y or SA 2 years. Would make sense that the message would have to be a time since the crew already knows the location. Also unless Oda goofed or it's just a bad angle. The part with the Amazon's pullling at Luffy, the tattoo seems to be missing. Which would mean it was a armband or something with the message written on it.
Next chapter we'll get the continuation of the rest of the SNs. Maybe even get a flashback to whoever BB defeated (Bonney or Apoo). The comment from the marine about how haki can be learned through training means haki is most likely a ability that everyone has. Which you can unlock it's power through hard training or you're either born with a certain aspect (Class) of it and it'll manifest itself earlier. Like how Asa was able to do the voice thing at such a young age.
As for Aokiji being a Fleet Admiral. Would be a great job for him. He can stay his lazy ass in the office all day and he has a enough head to make rational decisions. Akainu would make a terrible one. Probably would send out every unit possible to attack everything. Plus he wouldn't be able to be as hands on as he would like since he would be stuck at Mariejoa delegating.
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Is it me or does kong look like he may be franky's father.
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I don't get the people who think that his tattoo is a message like Saboady in 2 years. Even Luffy isn't such an idiot that he would tattoo something like that on his arm.
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I'll say it again turning the World Government evil would be horrible writing. Why would an Organization that has protected the peace for 800 years throw all that away in a span of a couple of years and become evil. Even if that war with that ancient civilization 800 years ago wasn't justified, even if they are hiding the truth from people, that doesn't change the fact that they have been preserving the peace amongst regular people for 800 years.
These are pretty much the same arguments that allowed Vlad the Impaler to reign. Or, stepping into the fiction world, guys like Dr. Doom or even the emperor in Star wars to rule with an iron fist.
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Ah, Capone, worst supernova ever. Hope he gets a hard beating.
And Damn you, Teach, damn you if the supernova you took out is Bonney…
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I won't agree with that at all. everything he has done, to me, shows he rather protect the government than the people.
Though I'm not above the idea that Oda could always add more back-story or show events that change my view on him a bit.
Killing pirates helps the people as much as it helps the World Government
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@Tijnn.:
I don't get the people who think that his tattoo is a message like Saboady in 2 years. Even Luffy isn't such an idiot that he would tattoo something like that on his arm.
Your argument fails since Luffy is an idiot.
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I've found out Franky is best character in this series. Damn best character. Good chapter, finally.
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Yeah looking at the tattoo. It does look like SA2Y or SA 2 years. Would make sense that the message would have to be a time since the crew already knows the location.
I doubt this. If it's SA2Y, which we don't know yet for sure, must mean something else other than SA in 2 years. It's hard to determine what it says from the picture, but his crew is going to discern what it is? Not to mention making a permanent mark on his arm just for a one time message. It doesn't sound right at all.
_How much can you do? Just grab a ball and juggle.
All those balls in the air, How hard can it be?
So hard you're getting dizzy!
Keep those balls in the air, Keep those balls in the ai-air!
Balls in the air!_
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