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Funi TV Discussion (Saturday Night/Sunday Morning 1:00 a.m., USA Toonami)
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This doesn't necessarily mean "One Piece" won't air on a channel that most people get.
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Putting only filler on TV… way to get people to NOT be interested in the show at all, guys.
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Except this isn't a channel, this is on Comcast's On-Demand package.
Quite a lot of people actually have that, y'know…
Not me.
It's a bit disappointing, I thought that they were actually aiming for a real TV deal here… Even Nicktoons or Disney XD would have been a thousand times better than this.
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Why do you all care so much about a TV deal?
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Helps the franchise. One Piece is a big show, it should be viewed by a mainstream audience.
Not just anime fans who buy DVDs.
Although, I've stopped hoping for it to happen. Given that it is this franchise and also how the overall state of anime-on-tv is these days.
Still, if Bleach, Naruto and even DBKai are on tv then there shouldn't be any reason NOT to have One Piece on tv either…
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While by all means it should be on television, it's not something necceary. The only thing a TV deal for OP will accomplish is a dub full of ridiculous edits and a fanbase on par with the average Narutard. I'm predicting kids drowning for the lulz because they ate a DF.
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The only thing a TV deal for OP will accomplish is a dub full of ridiculous edits
If it's going to be full of edits, don't watch it then. Stick to the DVDs.
If it was on TV, even with edits, I'd still love to watch it. FUNimation's edits aren't even that bad.
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Still, if Bleach, Naruto and even DBKai are on tv then there shouldn't be any reason NOT to have One Piece on tv either…
Other than the fact nobody wants to air it.
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Which is a problem. If the One Piece DVDs are such a success, don't you think at least someone would want it?
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Keep in mind that this is Toei, the company that wouldn't let Battle Royale be released in the US without a comparatively wide release and hefty charge. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a number of smaller stations interested in One Piece and Toei was refusing them because they weren't "worthy" of the series. Call it optimism or greed, but Toei is probably holding out for the likes of Adult Swim and such.
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@Mikey:
Which is a problem. If the One Piece DVDs are such a success, don't you think at least someone would want it?
Who said they were such a success? On the ANN cast in January, FUNI reps said that One Piece was just doing "ok " enough to keep going at the moment and they are trying their best with the show right now.
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Well, everyone here seems to think they're doing extraordinarily well, which I don't think is the case.
It can do better. Really, much better. It needs TV exposure so it can reel more fans in. :getlost:
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@LUFFY#1:
Who said they were such a success? On the ANN cast in January, FUNI reps said that One Piece was just doing "ok " enough to keep going at the moment and they are trying their best with the show right now.
They said it was doing well, not necessarily the same thing as okay.
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While by all means it should be on television, it's not something necceary. The only thing a TV deal for OP will accomplish is a dub full of ridiculous edits and a fanbase on par with the average Narutard. I'm predicting kids drowning for the lulz because they ate a DF.
Who cares. We have retarded fans anyways. There will always be retarded fans when it comes to anime.
Edits don't matter. We have the uncut DVDs. The tv deal will basically just serve as exposure. An advertisement, if you will, to get people introduced to the show.
Plus, this is FUNimation… not 4Kids. Their edits on the TV version were never really that bad. Unless you !!!RAGE ON!!! on the mention of "Zolo". :getlost:
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Hey, if they air each edited episode with a constantly running banner that says "This is an edited version of a violent children's cartoon show from Japan. This airing exists only as a twenty minute commericial. There was originally blood in this scene, go buy the DVD" I would have no problem, otherwise me-no-likey edits. ;)
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The edits were as bad as Saban DBZ.
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Are you talking about 4kids Piece? Because thats REALLY obvious and doesnt need pointing out.
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I'm talking about FunPiece.
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How exactly? It wasnt that bad.
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@Yuugi's:
Hey, if they air each edited episode with a constantly running banner that says "This is an edited version of a violent children's cartoon show from Japan. This airing exists only as a twenty minute commericial. There was originally blood in this scene, go buy the DVD" I would have no problem, otherwise me-no-likey edits.
Jesus, man. I think you're taking it a bit too far here; it's just a cartoon, not some holy sacred religion.
If it'll be edited, it'll be edited. Who gives a fuck? It'll be uncut on the DVDs and that's all that matters.
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The flashing of hits was a lil excessive at times, but they were already letting up on that as Skypeia progressed.
Still, that's no where near as bad as Saban DBZ. We still had death references. We still had good dialog. The music was all there. No episodes skipped (from FUNi's run).
The ONLY thing that was even remotely similar to Saban's DBZ was the flashes. And like I said, they were letting up.
Stop making a mountain out of a molehill.
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The flashing of hits was a lil excessive at times, but they were already letting up on that as Skypeia progressed.
Still, that's no where near as bad as Saban DBZ. We still had death references. We still had good dialog. The music was all there. No episodes skipped (from FUNi's run).
The ONLY thing that was even remotely similar to Saban's DBZ was the flashes. And like I said, they were letting up.
Stop making a mountain out of a molehill.
This.
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A censorship editing technique that obscures the impact of a hit with a white flash.
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What on earth is that?
For some reason can't link to the pics directly, but you know which one you're looking for.
And dialogue and music aren't edits. My point stands.
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Um… you have NOT explained the similarities you found in Funi Piece and saban Dragon Ball
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@Mikey:
Jesus, man. I think you're taking it a bit too far here; it's just a cartoon, not some holy sacred religion.
If it'll be edited, it'll be edited. Who gives a fuck? It'll be uncut on the DVDs and that's all that matters.
Why are you getting upset over one man's wishing that no edited version of a Japanese children's cartoon exist?
Hell, if anything the blantant (and hilarious) scrolling banner would only help DVD sells if you pointed out to the viewer the content was being edited and how. Money, money, money!!
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Yeah…..what he said. Or something.
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I'm not upset by it, I'm just saying that I think you're taking it a bit too far. I'd want it to be as less edited as possible too but I don't think they should go as far as to have a banner scroll across the screen saying it's edited. It's ridiculous. But I don't think there's nothing wrong with an edited TV airing… Wouldn't that just make the DVDs even more special anyway? I'd say if we got it on TV again and it happens to be edited, be grateful it's even on TV at all getting exposure. It's better than nothing.
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@Yuugi's:
Why are you getting upset over one man's wishing that no edited version of a Japanese children's cartoon exist?
Because kids ought to be able to watch One Piece, even if it's an edited version. It's a kid's show.
And your concept of a banner running throughout the show informing the audience that the show is edited for violence and such quite frankly insults the intelligence of even children. One Piece uncut is easy enough to access for kids but to grow that youth audience a TV deal is essential and if it has to be edited to run on TV on a kid's channel / block then so be it.
Having only the uncut version exist is all well and good for older animation fans such as ourselves but you have to remember that it was Oda's intention to tell this story to youth audiences. Same goes for Kishimoto, Toriyama and heck… even Kubo. That's right One Piece is for kids. For kids.
... and the young at heart but that's why we've got legal streams and uncut DVDs.
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I'll explain how the Dragonball Z (Ocean Group) and One Piece are differentI have compiled three categories for dubs.
Category 1: The dub is uncut. Cowboy Bebop is a perfect example of this. Now the dub isn't always going to contain the original music. Case in point, Fist of the North Star english dub. Now the dub for One Piece episodes 1-143 fit in this category.
Category 2: The dub is edited only. So basically what you see is what you get. Many properties done by 4kids Entertainment will fit in this category. Now Dragonball Z (Ocean Group) fits in this category.
Category 3: The dub is edited on TV and uncut on releases. Think about Family Guy. If you watch it on DVD, then you'll probally hear F Bombs be drop. Now if you watch it on TV, you'll hear bleeping noises instead. This is exactly what I'm talking about. Naruto fits in this category. This is where One Piece episodes 144-whatever episode was last aired belongs. Now I should note that movies 1-3 of the Ocean Group of Dragonball Z fit in here.
Conclusion: So basically I've shown how each dub is different by showing these categories. Now One Piece fits in both category 1 and 3 depending on what episode it is. Though it is mainly category 1, it is also category 3. Now Dragonball Z however fits in category 2, and it technically fits in category 3 because of the 3 movies. So basically the only way they are similar is One Piece dub of the Jaya arc, and quarter of the Skypiea arc and Dragonball Z movies 1-3.
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Because kids ought to be able to watch One Piece, even if it's an edited version. It's a kid's show.
And your concept of a banner running throughout the show informing the audience that the show is edited for violence and such quite frankly insults the intelligence of even children. One Piece uncut is easy enough to access for kids but to grow that youth audience a TV deal is essential and if it has to be edited to run on TV on a kid's channel / block then so be it.
Having only the uncut version exist is all well and good for older animation fans such as ourselves but you have to remember that it was Oda's intention to tell this story to youth audiences. Same goes for Kishimoto, Toriyama and heck… even Kubo. That's right One Piece is for kids. For kids.
... and the young at heart but that's why we've got legal streams and uncut DVDs.
He knows that. He meant to say that we shouldnt get upset if someone is oposed to an edited dub.
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anyone know where i can find the episodes that aired in new zealand?
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He knows that. He meant to say that we shouldnt get upset if someone is oposed to an edited dub.
It's kind of pointless to get upset over an edited dub if the uncut version is already out, or will eventually be out.
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anyone know where i can find the episodes that aired in new zealand?
I think Cartoon Palace still has the active torrents for those episodes.
Also, flashes during hits are no big deal. You know what they are. People watching it for the first time know what they are. Not.a.big.deal. And the notion of having a banner "This is not uncut!" is something that would never, ever, happen. Promos for the uncut DVD's, sure. But deliberately admitting the product is censored is akin to admitting its inferiority.
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And dialogue and music aren't edits. My point stands.
Your point never stood, dude.
Like I said, the only thing even remotely similar to Saban's DBZ edits where the flashes and those were only early on.
You need more reasons than that, I'm afraid. You're just sounding like another overreacting fan.
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Seriously,Kaolino, dude. You are not making any sense.
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@Mikey:
It's kind of pointless to get upset over an edited dub if the uncut version is already out, or will eventually be out.
I know Im your side. I want a dub too. I said it so that his point was not misunderstood.
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For some reason can't link to the pics directly, but you know which one you're looking for.
And dialogue and music aren't edits. My point stands.
First off, yes, dialogue and music edits ARE changing the original intent, but even ignoring them…
Saban removed EVERY drop of blood, every instance of Red. Here's a shot of Chopper covered in little splotches of blood. from the edited broadcast.
Even if you claim "Dialog doesn't count", changing dialog to lessen some kind of a blow IS. Nobody in One Piece ever "Faded into the next dimension". They were allowed to reference death.
Saban edited out twelve episodes worth of Material in a 60 episode span, just like 4kids removed 39 episodes worth from a 104 episode span.The FUNi dub didn't remove a single scene or a single whole episode. At all.
And finally, the coup-de-grace, with the FUNi dub we knew there was an uncut DVD release coming right away. We already got episodes 1-143, and the first set of the Cartoon Network eps start about a month and a half from now. Wheras the Saban dub of DBZ was edited only on video for YEARS.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with an edited dub that's handled as carefully as the FUNi dub was so long as they do an uncut release, because as long as an uncut release is coming out, you can Ignore the edited TV Broadcast if it bothers you That much.
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@Mikey:
I'm not upset by it, I'm just saying that I think you're taking it a bit too far. I'd want it to be as less edited as possible too but I don't think they should go as far as to have a banner scroll across the screen saying it's edited. It's ridiculous. But I don't think there's nothing wrong with an edited TV airing… Wouldn't that just make the DVDs even more special anyway? I'd say if we got it on TV again and it happens to be edited, be grateful it's even on TV at all getting exposure. It's better than nothing.
I'd say dropping the 'f-bomb' signifies that somebody'd upset. What I don't get is how my suggestion doesn't 'help sales'. What audience member is going to sit there, learn that they're watching a watered down TV version of a show, and then not actively try to seek out the original (unless they're just plum not interested, but One Piece fans are hardly not use to that ;)). Now, I'd eat my shorts if this scrolling-banner business ever happened (well, maybe not…I've only got the one pair of shorts and I've sort of had them all throughout my high school career so there's sentimentality there), but I certainly don't see how it would hurt. If children are as sheltered as they're made out to be, by parents who demand certain standards, then surely they wouldn't know about how Luffy's fighting with his blood, or whatever nonsense is edited. Play their cards right and that silly scrolling text would be their key to cultivating a "Hey man, we're on your side" relationship with the viewer.
That is, assuming the show even aired edited (or at all). For all we know it could wind up on [as], with insulting bumpers galore!!
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@Yuugi's:
I'd say dropping the 'f-bomb' signifies that somebody'd upset.
I wasn't upset, I was annoyed. You don't have to be upset to say "fuck."
@Yuugi's:
What I don't get is how my suggestion doesn't 'help sales'. What audience member is going to sit there, learn that they're watching a watered down TV version of a show, and then not actively try to seek out the original
It would probably help sales, but it wouldn't help the TV airing. People would stop watching the show to go buy the DVDs, and people who DO want to watch it on TV won't get to because it'd get taken off the air due to no support. It's not a win-win situation. And it's not like everyone desperately needs to know the show is edited just a little bit. Some people are cool with it, or like you said, don't even care. Besides, if the people who DID care the show was edited not even be watching the edited version at all? We have the DVDs. What people don't know won't hurt them.
@Yuugi's:
If children are as sheltered as they're made out to be, by parents who demand certain standards, then surely they wouldn't know about how Luffy's fighting with his blood, or whatever nonsense is edited.
Again, as someone has said before… FUNi has used blood in their edit of One Piece. You're getting 4Kids and FUNimation mixed up.
@Yuugi's:
Play their cards right and that silly scrolling text would be their key to cultivating a "Hey man, we're on your side" relationship with the viewer.
Not only would it be annoying, but it would be distracting. Besides, what if young children who don't know how to read yet want to watch One Piece and that banner is there? They're certainly allowed to watch it, especially without the banner (as One Piece's general audience is children). An edited version would be better for them since FUNi kinda overdid it on the swearing in the beginning on the DVDs.
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I know Im your side. I want a dub too. I said it so that his point was not misunderstood.
What side are you on? You're flip-flopping so much in here, it's sorta annoying. >>
@Mikey:
Again, as someone has said before… FUNi has used blood in their edit of One Piece. You're getting 4Kids and FUNimation mixed up.
Yeah, the only blood the TV run took out was coughed out or splurting. Stationary blood was fine.
since FUNi kinda overdid it on the swearing in the beginning on the DVDs.
I disagree with that but, that's just me. ^^
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Putting only filler on TV… way to get people to NOT be interested in the show at all, guys.
This is exactly why OP isn't doing good in the US. The US marketing for it is trash. Not thought out at all.
Btw, why can't they get it on Sci Fi channel?
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@Joe:
Btw, why can't they get it on Sci Fi channel?
I wouldn't put "Happy go lucky pirates on the open sea of adventure" under Science Fiction.
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@Badass:
I wouldn't put "Happy go lucky pirates on the open sea of adventure" under Science Fiction.
I don't see it going on SyFy either but come on, that network stopped being only about Science Fiction a long time ago.
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After hack-dubbed Rave Master, I don't doubt anything anymore with Sci-fi.
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@The:
What side are you on? You're flip-flopping so much in here, it's sorta annoying. >>
Yeah, the only blood the TV run took out was coughed out or splurting. Stationary blood was fine.
I disagree with that but, that's just me. ^^
IM NOT FLIPFLOPING! I have always wanted one piece to get a new tv deal.And none of my posts have said anything on the contrary.
I just tried to point out what the other guy had said so that there would be any flamewars or something. Pointing out doesnt mean I actually agree with what a person is saying.
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They show all sorts of anime on Sci Fi channel on monday nights. Vanguard, Monster, old ass obscure shit nobody watches anymore. They wouldn't turn down the offer of One Piece. Specially if they know how decently popular it is. Why hasn't Funi confronted them yet confuses me.
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@The:
I disagree with that but, that's just me. ^^
That's cool. The language now is just relatively tamer than what it used to be, though. I still don't think the amount of swearing they used at first is appropriate for young kids, that's why an edited dub would be best for them.
Having a banner saying it's edited would be pointless too, because I'm sure the main people that watch the edited version (KIDS!!) won't know the difference. Hell, when I was a kid I didn't know the stuff on TV was edited, like Dragon Ball Z. But usually most anime fans know that anime on TV is edited in some way, shape or form, so that would just be another reason to add onto the list why a banner saying "this is edited!" is pointless.