Ignore the subs i put in the other post, they are really REALLY terrible.
ONE PIECE: MOVIE 10 ~ Strong World
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its worse than the google translate that we get of spoilers.
i wonder how they managed this. lol
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Ignore the subs i put in the other post, they are really REALLY terrible.
But they ARE properly timed to the script…
Hmm... If fdein weren't already working on a fansub...
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Saw most of the RAW, great animation! The trailers didn't do this one justice, everything just so vibrant smooth. And Shiki, definitely an Oda creation, silly one minute deadly the next. The fight against him and the Straw Hats (whistles). And I was literally laughing like crazy through the pirate meeting scene. I was worried when I read Greg's early review for it. But it came out great in my opinion.
That said can't wait for the sub.
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ah false alarm on those subs…
I'm really on the edge of my seat here, this could shape up to be one of my favorite OP Movies, (at least until I find out what that bird kid is saying...)
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The funny thing, my significant other is a Spanish speaker, and says the Spanish is actually coherent (Unlike the "Ingles" version)
Although, we didn't go through very much of it, just the first few lines (We don't wana read ahead and spoil ourselves)
(I've refrained from watching it so I could watch it with her when a fansub came out)
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Do you mean like Spanish subs? Cause if that's what you mean, I wouldn't mind watching it Demon Rin, if you have it that is.
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@Jet:
Do you mean like Spanish subs? Cause if that's what you mean, I wouldn't mind watching it Demon Rin, if you have it that is.
Those subs that were released like a page ago included both a Spanish and an English track. In fact, it looked more like the English track was an afterthought and the Spanish track was supposed to be the main draw, as the English track was called "Ingles" and the Spanish track is called "Español".
We only looked at a few lines, and I had her translate them from Spanish to English for me first before I told her what the Japanese said, and she said she could understand them perfectly, and they lined up with what the Japanese said, so it looks good on that front.
But it could have gotten a LOT worse later for all I know XD
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Even the spanish subs are quite terrible…
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One Good Thing…
Even the spanish subs are quite terrible…
I wouldn't even call them terrible…that's too much credit.
Anyway, the one thing I am grateful for is the fact that the subs seemed to be timed very well.
That just makes it a whole lot easier for would be subbers to get this done swiftly, all there is is to replace the horrible versed sentences with comprehensible dialog and we are good to go!
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The screener raw I downloaded already had timed korean subs, so yeah, its only a matter of translation, timing is already done. But then apparently someones finished a translation as well and is playing "anime parent" with us over it. You'll wait for your blu-ray if you know whats good for you, darn kids!
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But then apparently someones finished a translation as well and is playing "anime parent" with us over it. You'll wait for your blu-ray if you know whats good for you, darn kids!
That's fine.
I honestly do not see why they would wait for the blu-ray release as I am sure that persons subs aren't even going to matter once the big sub groups release their translations.
It would wiser to release before anyone else just to get your name out there and some type of following and praise, but hey….whatever.
Someone will release softsubs within these next couple of days anyway.
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My translator is quite busy, I hope I get this done soon :l
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My translator is quite busy, I hope I get this done soon :l
You will be carried on the shoulders of most should it be done soon ^_^
I'm so hanging out for this one it's been so hard not to spoil it and watch it with no subtitles.
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We ARE enjoying the movie and it's NOT pointless speculation when Oda himself had a major hand in making the movie, purposely released a manga tying in Roger's history with Shiki's past (which was later animated and titled into "Episode 0"), said events were made canon in both the anime and manga (Shiki's escape from prison, and his first attack on Marineford), and the movie went out of its way to explain a simple fashion change for Nami that happened all the way back in the East Blue arc.
All I'm saying is that while its possible that the movie is non-canon there sure is a hell of a lot of evidence indicating that this movie isn't. Why put this much effort into putting all these little clues and easter eggs in the canon material and the movie itself if this is just an alternate universe?
O-chan
i thought this movie took place between thriller bark and sabaody. that would fit perfectly, considering how zoro doesn't really do anything great, which would fit with his state after the kuma encounter.
watched it raw, btw. enjoyable but not absolutely awesome. well, i didn't understand much of it, i couldn't even discover what was shiki's plan.
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But then apparently someones finished a translation as well and is playing "anime parent" with us over it. You'll wait for your blu-ray if you know whats good for you, darn kids!
Well it is their choice; it's not like they have to sub it.
I can understand why they wouldn't want to have two versions of the sub whenever people speak of their name.
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We ARE enjoying the movie and it's NOT pointless speculation when Oda himself had a major hand in making the movie, purposely released a manga tying in Roger's history with Shiki's past (which was later animated and titled into "Episode 0"), said events were made canon in both the anime and manga (Shiki's escape from prison, and his first attack on Marineford), and the movie went out of its way to explain a simple fashion change for Nami that happened all the way back in the East Blue arc.
All I'm saying is that while its possible that the movie is non-canon there sure is a hell of a lot of evidence indicating that this movie isn't. Why put this much effort into putting all these little clues and easter eggs in the canon material and the movie itself if this is just an alternate universe?
O-chan
Show me a single source that declares animated material as canon you thick bastard.
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Show me a single source that declares animated material as canon you thick bastard.
I could but it gets ignored or puts into sections of "Oh well how do you explain Zoro cutting steel"
The Anime series is becoming MORE cannon like then it has been previously - they made many many mistakes earlier on. But more recently it seems Oda wants somethings expanded on in the Anime that are unable to be put in the Manga at times.
This does not mean they don't get it a little wrong - if you are told to draw something humaniod and feral then you go with that.
Oda knows that with the way people are fanatical about getting spoilers that he would be reluctant to share all details, and I don't blame him for that.
But he is using the Anime more as a place where instead of 10 mins of breathing or repeating the same action scene 5 times they can elaborate more on a particular scene with aditional information. -
Well, get the sources where it´s said that Oda actively works with the Anime crew on those scenes…
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I could but it gets ignored
Maybe because you dance around the question instead of answering it or providing the requested evidence.
or puts into sections of "Oh well how do you explain Zoro cutting steel"
What the fuck does this have to do with me. I asked for a simple thing in my initial post.
The Anime series is becoming MORE cannon like then it has been previously -
I don't think you quite understand the concept of canon. Something doesn't become more or less canon, either it is primary material or it isn't.
The anime is complete crap. It is not an extended One Piece experience.
they made many many mistakes earlier on.
That's an understatement, but more than that it has nothing to do with anything. The two are separate entities.
But more recently it seems Oda wants somethings expanded on in the Anime that are unable to be put in the Manga at times.
Give me some fucking proof, words from Oda, an interview, ANYTHING that confirms this and not your guesswork.
This does not mean they don't get it a little wrong - if you are told to draw something humaniod and feral then you go with that.
It has nothing to do with getting it right or wrong. Why can you not understand such a simple point.
Oda knows that
Before we go on with this sentence I want you to give me a source where you extrapolate this. Or do you have an astral connection into Oda's head.
with the way people are fanatical about getting spoilers that he would be reluctant to share all details, and I don't blame him for that.
This sentence doesn't even make any sense, it has completely veered off even your line of argument. What does this have to do with anything.
But he is using the Anime more as a place where instead of 10 mins of breathing or repeating the same action scene 5 times they can elaborate more on a particular scene with aditional information.
Hahahahah
The last episode I watched had Usopp firing approximately 1000 pellets at Kizaru while he stood over Zoro with his foot shining.
And that was one episode ago
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I could but it gets ignored or puts into sections of "Oh well how do you explain Zoro cutting steel". The Anime series is becoming MORE cannon like then it has been previously - they made many many mistakes earlier on.
I think the biggest problem on the net, aside from the general inability to properly spell the word, is that most people don't even know what canon means. I'm not talking simple semantics either, I'm talking the whole purpose of even using the word in proper context. The manga is, and always will be, the original work of the author, with the anime being a representation, often times expanded on by 3rd party interpretation, of the manga. Anything said, introduced, mentioned, or expanded upon from the anime will not affect the manga, and is therefore irrelevant most to discussion about the manga. The only exceptions to this would be explicit statements from the author himself, to which we currently have none. Even the movie, which was created by the author of the manga, is not canon for the reasons listed above. It's an extremely simple concept, and yet it still soars so far over peoples' heads.
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Well, get the sources where it´s said that Oda actively works with the Anime crew on those scenes…
SBS Volume 21
O: Ahem. I've been receiving a ton of questions. I'm just going to tell you everything I know about the anime, whether to answer those questions or just because I want you to know.[5]1. First of all, what I MUST tell you is that I am a manga artist. I don't create anime. All that I do is character design for the anime original stories and the theatrical release movies. Nothing serious. Basically, the world of One Piece that I create in the manga is entrusted to others to follow in the anime.
2. I want you to remember this name. THE UDA KOUNOSUKE. This name is on the staff list every time the opening credits roll. It says, "Series Director". That's basically "head director". Pretty cool, eh? "Head director". (do–n)
3. For the OP anime, Uda-san has 7 other directors that take turns making episodes. Because you can't make a 30-minute episode every week. Every episode's director is listed at the end of the ending credits. And the person who brings all of them together is, yes, THE UDA KOUNOSUKE (whistle)
4. If their opinions and mine do not meet, Luffy instantly ceases to be Luffy and the world becomes entirely different. No matter how hard I work to create the original story, if the anime's "directing" is wrong, it all becomes nothing. But the reason that doesn't happen, and instead even more amazing things are created, is thanks to Uda-san and his Directing Fighters, for understanding the world of OP so well and for "directing".
5. "Directing" is, of course, made possible by "music", "sound", "voice acting" and "art". I truly thank all the people involved in the anime in any way. Oh, by the way, my very own Habu-yan does the "scenario checking".
6. So why am I telling you this? Because I'd like you to really think about all the labor the people whose names you see on the staff credits have to go through.
7. I know I made him sound very formal earlier, but Uda-san is really a very nice man. Sometimes I go and party or eat something with Uda-san and his producers (they're cool, too), but really, I just leave the anime work up to them and enjoy it as a viewer, just like all of you do. I even cry sometimes.
Sections of importance are bolded.
He says that he leaves the anime up to the anime creators - but he also wants the anime to be TRUE to the manga.There are some events in the Anime that have become cannon in the manga - Strawhats seperation is becoming more evident of that. I am not saying they don't get things wrong interpritations and such - unless he was there every step of the way things will be wrong. BUT important things and things Oda wants expanded on are Likely to happen and likely to be Cannon
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Maybe because you dance around the question instead of answering it or providing the requested evidence.
What the fuck does this have to do with me. I asked for a simple thing in my initial post.
I don't think you quite understand the concept of canon. Something doesn't become more or less canon, either it is primary material or it isn't.
The anime is complete crap. It is not an extended One Piece experience.
Give me some fucking proof, words from Oda, an interview, ANYTHING that confirms this and not your guesswork.
SBS volume 13
R: Are those glasses that Usopp wears when he fights?[4]
O: Those are goggles. "Sniper goggles". At first he only wore them for looks, but in Loguetown he got the brand new model from "North Blue". The scene on the right was supposed to be the first page of chapter 98, in volume 11. The number of pages went over the limit, so we scrapped it. It's got sunglasses on it to eliminate glare when he's aiming, and it can flip up and turn around and stuff like that, so Usopp really liked it.
(Page on the right)
Usopp: Hmmmm? Hmmmm. Ooooooh. Damn!! I like these goggles!!
Lady: You got an eye for the good stuff. That's the newest model from "North Blue". It came with the Marines when their annual import ship came by.
Usopp: I also want this watch, and this magnet! Oh, don't you have any raw eggs?!
Lady: Go to the supermarket for that!!This scene appeared in the Anime and in a filler extension of the Logue Town arc. To my knowledge this is an example of Cannon being implemented into the Anime where it had not appeared in the Manga.
Why is there not more - perhaps because he doesn't want to answer the question. Maybe he is happy to let people argue or enjoy either but especially with the strawhats seperation there is likely to be more evidence - but I will conceed if I am wrong then I am wrong. The conclusions to the seperations are coming I guess this will mean we will be shown both in manga and anime if there was communication.
If I am wrong I will happily eat my hat …. which is a small container of salt.
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4. If their opinions and mine do not meet, Luffy instantly ceases to be Luffy and the world becomes entirely different. No matter how hard I work to create the original story, if the anime's "directing" is wrong, it all becomes nothing. But the reason that doesn't happen, and instead even more amazing things are created, is thanks to Uda-san and his Directing Fighters, for understanding the world of OP so well and for "directing".
The concept isn't hard Cymelion. Look in this very quote: "if their opinions and mine…" i.e. the anime and its offshoot scenarios are not controlled by Oda.
And let's not forget when Oda said he didn't want any ideas or input for his manga story because he wants to be able to say "my work is my own".
7. I know I made him sound very formal earlier, but Uda-san is really a very nice man. Sometimes I go and party or eat something with Uda-san and his producers (they're cool, too)
And where is anything in regard to working on anime mentioned here.
Sections of importance are bolded.
It's a shame you didn't bold a couple of other points:
the world of One Piece that I create is entrusted to others to follow in the anime.
" I don't work on the anime", hence, the anime material ceases to be canonical straight away.
I just leave the anime work up to them and enjoy it as a viewer, just like all of you do
I mean what more do you want than this. The real One Piece experience is the manga, it is what the creator, Oda, controls. It is in the very definition of "canon"
He says that he leaves the anime up to the anime creators - but he also wants the anime to be TRUE to the manga.
THIS DOESNT MATTER WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ONE PIECE'S CANON WORKS
There are some events in the Anime that have become cannon in the manga - Strawhats seperation is becoming more evident of that.
Err….no. The anime doesn't influence the manga.
I am not saying they don't get things wrong interpritations and such - unless he was there every step of the way things will be wrong. BUT important things and things Oda wants expanded on are Likely to happen and likely to be Cannon
Repeat after me: this has nothing to do with interpretations, or extensions, or expansions or offshoots. Canon is what appears in the manga, out of Oda's head and drawn by his hand.
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This is the stuff that makes me regret coming to the forums.
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@Zach:
This is the stuff that makes me regret coming to the forums.
Well bye bye then, unknown beige poster.
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Well bye bye then, unknown beige poster.
So sorry Mr. February 2010, I'll leave right away. Sorry to impose on your forum.
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Well bye bye then, unknown beige poster.
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What in fuck's sake have the filler episodes done that wasn't perfectly stated in the manga?
Do you care that ultra imba super mega ultra cute chick doesn't exist?
or that the anoying children no 34 from vengapunk's island is a teenager in the manga?
Or the reveal that boing archipelago was a carnivore plant?It was somewhat early spoilers, provided by oda.
Next week we will know what exactly turned sanji gay and who of relevance Robin meet, not if the filler kid gave her a chocolate bar.
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@Zach:
Oh cmon Zach, you can do better than that! But let me not continue to encourage such trivial matters.
Instead let me encourage the next 5 posts containing a link to acceptable English subs for this movie.
Please?
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@Zach:
So sorry Mr. February 2010, I'll leave right away. Sorry to impose on your forum.
Ah
So you're the culprit behind that monstrosity
And of course I've only been here since 2010…or was it 2008? Wait, I'm quite certain it was 2005.
What in fuck's sake have the filler episodes done that wasn't perfectly stated in the manga?
A little girl who talks with dragons, a fat dude who can control temperature and the naval G8 base for starters?
I mean, on top of the crappy animation and voice acting, washed out colours, looped out-of-place jingles destroying scenes and the time wasting crap.
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@Zach:
Played out dead 4chan memes strike again.
Did you colour it yourself, I must say you captured the anime's lifeless renderings perfectly.
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A Step In The
RightDirection@Zach:
There we go. Do you feel the magic?
Although I must admit that:
Ah
So you're the culprit behind that monstrosity
Made me choke on my dipsy doodle.
And my instigation stops here.
Pulls out Popcorn
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A little girl who talks with dragons, a fat dude who can control temperature and the naval G8 base for starters?
I mean, on top of the crappy animation and voice acting, washed out colours, looped out-of-place jingles destroying scenes and the time wasting crap.
OMG.
Seriously you must also believe that God created the universe in 8 days because it's written so. I mean I am not knocking your beliefs but you know people accept that humanity is littered with examples of people learning from their mistakes.
Fillers are fillers - things not written by the Author
(They may have influence but I conceed unless stated later or shown in the manga for all intents and purposes they are not cannon)Continuations of arcs to extend their stay in an area may contain information Oda had ideas about after he had finished the arc and the anime has not yet done. Emphises on the may - we don't know untill it is shown.
Strawhats seperation has a lot in it from the anime - where as the comic had 2 pages and is now being elaborated on. Somethings are shown as being very close to accurate huh?
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Played out dead 4chan memes strike again.
Did you colour it yourself, I must say you captured the anime's lifeless renderings perfectly.
Nope, that's from the anime. Oh, right I forgot, that's not actually from "One Piece" since it's from some anime series and not the manga. YOUR WORSHIP! I AM SORRY I HAVE FORSAKEN YOU WITH MATERIAL THAT HAS NOT BEEN PROPERLY SANCTIONED!
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Cymelion, respond to my post at the top of this page, arsewipe.
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Cymelion, respond to my post at the top of this page, arsewipe.
Respond to mine about the Sniper Goggles from northblue Chumblybum
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fro@Cymelion:
OMG.
Strawhats seperation has a lot in it from the anime - where as the comic had 2 pages and is now being elaborated on. Somethings are shown as being very close to accurate huh?
And some of them are completely wrong. Oda may give hints, but nowhere in the world happens that something that happens in an anime (and doesn't in the manga) is considered canon! It's always like this, in every anime. Beside the fact that is crap compared to the manga, it's simply not made by Oda. As I said, I'm not saying that sometimes he doesn't give hints…or may even take inspiration from something that happens in the anime, but untild told otherwise by the author everything added in the anime is to be considered non-canonical.
Ps. And las thing: is CANON. Not:
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Why Are You Here? @Corrado:
I mean, on top of the crappy animation and voice acting, washed out colours, looped out-of-place jingles destroying scenes and the time wasting crap.
And you watch, read, and join a OP forum since "2005" beeeccaaauuussee…......?
sigh
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@Zach:
Nope, that's from the anime.
Okay this is just f'n lol.
Oh, right I forgot, that's not actually from "One Piece" since it's from some anime series and not the manga.
Oh absolutely not. Oda's flair is evident in the clean lines and pastel colours that completely capture and evoke the unique personality pervading the One Piece universe. deviantArt would be proud.
YOUR WORSHIP! I AM SORRY I HAVE FORSAKEN YOU WITH MATERIAL THAT HAS NOT BEEN PROPERLY SANCTIONED!
Well I never expected you to have two brain cells to rub together, let alone come up with a single worthy sentence for a comeback, so it's not surprising you immediately consulted the random internet image macro generator.
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Wow. I just joined to comment on the random bashing. Jeez, here I was looking for actual Strong World subs when I was missing out on all this bashing? What was I thinking? .___.
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yea someone brought up the word cannon, and yes i like shooting shit with cannons than saying canon, thus you get a reaction very akin to sacreligion around these forums if you mention anime and manga and throw in some cool cannon ball shooter
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And some of them are completely wrong. Oda may give hints, but nowhere in the world happens that something that happens in an anime (and doesn't in the manga) is considered canon! It's always like this, in every anime. Beside the fact that is crap compared to the manga, it's simply not made by Oda. As I said, I'm not saying that sometimes he doesn't give hints…or may even take inspiration from something that happens in the anime, but untild told otherwise by the author everything added in the anime is to be considered non-canonical.Ps. And las thing: is CANON. Not:
http://www.plimoth.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/5e06319eda06f020e43594a9c230972d/c/a/cannon_lg_14844.jpgAppologies on the spelling issue - also Kanon was acceptable at one point I believe.
I agree anything added to the anime that has no direct input from the author is not canon Kanon cannon
Thing is anything that is added to the anime that had not appeared in the manga and is later referenced to by the manga = Canon Kanon Cannon
The carnivious plant island DID not appear in the Manga before the Anime and yet it is in there now which means it was influenced by Oda DIRECTLY and is Canon Kanon Cannon. This may become a continuing trend based on how well it is recieved by fans.
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[/HIDE]With that out of the way.. I don't know everyone's position. But I tought that most of us were in the "The movie can't be canon" side of things.
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Respond to mine about the Sniper Goggles from northblue Chumblybum
The canonicity of that scene is in the sentence "I had a page drawn up of these 4 panels and we went over the limit, so we had to scrap it to fit the quota".
I.e. a direct sentence from the horse's mouth, saying he had drawn up a page and then showing it to us in the SBS. Something which you still haven't provided, and, in your efforts to do so earlier, proceeded to directly contradict your own points.