Doubt any of them will join, but I really hope Jinbei does.
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Out of the three, I think Perona currently, but I see fourth-party character more likely.
Even AGOG said that her joining depends on what kind of interaction she will have with zoro and if she will soon enough interact with luffy.
But you think that with the current state she has the best chances? Why is that?
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Hancock! !
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Out of the three, I think Perona currently, but I see fourth-party character more likely.
I have no idea why, but this made me think about what a 2nd party one-piece character would be like.
And it made me imagine One Piece in the form of a really, really old style Adventure Game. "Welcome! You've just joined this wondrous pirate crew! There are no mirrors anywhere, but have fun in your adventures from now on!"
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Hancock all the way!
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Even AGOG said that her joining depends on what kind of interaction she will have with zoro and if she will soon enough interact with luffy.
But you think that with the current state she has the best chances? Why is that?
Well, I didn't say I think she has a good chance, but I just see her having clearer chances than Hancock and Jinbei. Jinbei, I've never seen as a probable join, due to multiple reasons you can find by searching through my older posts. Hancock is more of an enigma, though. On one hand, I don't see a Shichibukai joining the crew. On the other, there is the interaction she's had with Luffy and how she'd obviously join him if he asked. But that too, is contradicted by how that'd leave her in a position where she's abandoning a whole country just to join a crew. I don't know quite where to place her.
Perona, I'm having slight troubles seeing at the current moment as well. The latest chapter showed that Luffy is aching to see his crew again. There is bound to be a scene where they all finally get together, and that causes a problem. Perona (or anyone else for that matter) being present would kind of wreck the point of that scene. So she's either going to have to remain in the background at that time or she's not coming along at all. If she however does the former, I see her having a fair shot at joining.
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Wow, this thread got over 100 posts overnight?
Well, it'll be Hancock for sure.
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I'm glad to see the mods have finally included Perona into one of their "next nakama" polls.
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This, to me, seems like the easiest to remedy. How many times has the crew relied on a supporting character to take on the final villain of the arc or gone up against something and been outshone by another ally of theirs? I figure Jinbei taking on the strongest opponent instead of Luffy, or getting forcefully matched with a weaker enemy would throw off the story telling pattern Oda seems to have set up. It just wouldn't be the same, having Luffy fall short of the final villain at Fishman Island only to have someone else fill that role for him.
Yep.
Personally, I think it is very obvious that Jinbei is going to play a major role in the Fishman Island/New World Intro Arc and that's about it. I thought Keimi was going to play this role and she very well may have a decent part but it is clear Jinbei will play this role. Not only would Jinbei joining the crew undermine Luffy being the strongest, I don't think that there would be any question that Jinbei would be considered stronger then Zoro. This would be especially true if Boa Hancock joined the crew as I think she is stronger then Jinbei is.
A former Shichibukai joining the Straw Hats just doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
Yes, Ace was offered a Schichbukai title before joining the Whitebeard Pirates but it didn't matter because Whitebeard was still the stronger.
None of those people in the poll are going to join the Straw Hats.
I wouldn't be surprised if the newest member is going to be someone the crew meets on Fishman Island.
And Perona joining the crew would be dreadful and what exactly would her "dream" she wants to fulfill be?
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I'm glad to see the mods have finally included Perona into one of their "next nakama" polls.
So we can accurately laugh at all of you morlocks.
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42 people are deluded buffoons.
As for Jinbei…the only thing I have against him now is that he seems to be too senior and unflappable. If he has one good gag directed at him I'll be pretty much convinced. Not certain he'll join but I figured I'd rather hit out than sit back and play it safe.
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42 people are deluded buffoons.
IMO, a shichibukai or former schichibukai will never be a future mugiwara. I don't think she will join either, but Margareth is the best candidate so far.
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Yeah.. I think none of the current candidates (including those not mentioned in the poll- is Marguerite at all relevant anymore?) have any chance, but if any can change that idea, it can only be Jinbei.
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42 people are deluded buffoons.
As for Jinbei…the only thing I have against him now is that he seems to be too senior and unflappable. If he has one good gag directed at him I'll be pretty much convinced. Not certain he'll join but I figured I'd rather hit out than sit back and play it safe.
Did a double take when I thought you said "unfappable." thankfully I was wrong..
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I've always thought that jinbei would probably do a vivi, but I still don't think he'll join full time. More likely then a year ago though.
Perona and Hancock are no hopers as ever.
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I've always thought that jinbei would probably do a vivi, but I still don't think he'll join full time. More likely then a year ago though.
Perona and Hancock are no hopers as ever.
We are..but hey..we'll keep hoping until there's nothing left to hope.
Thankfully me and Decide will promptly shut up once we know for certain Hancock won't be joining.
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Hello, I'm AGOG… and this is a post made by AGOG.
Warning: there are speculations within this whole entire post.
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Process of Joining:
According to the following:- Zoro joined only after Luffy came to a conclusion that he was a nice guy.
- Sad past came before Zoro officially joined.
- Flashback came before Zoro officially joined.
- Position exists, and existed.
- Potential; immeasurable.
- Significance: Luffy needed to confirm that Zoro was a nice guy and it was confirmed when he heard the tale of Zoro's valor by Rika.
- Nami
- Sad past came before she officially joined, after she was a temporary member.
- Flashback came before she officially joined, after she was a temporary member.
- Position was granted: navigator.
- Potential; varied.
- Significance: she was a character that joined temporarily and then left the group, sparking a rescue arc where they'd save her and she'd then officially join.
- Usopp
- Sad past came after he joined.
- Flashback was after he joined.
- Position was present, however, Usopp joined prior to holding a position–he was given one later.
- Potential; high due to his connection with the Red-Hair crew.
- Significance: he merely accepted the offer to tag along, and eventually left the crew much later and then rejoined eventually. It was more so a choice of which Usopp decided to travel with company than being alone.
- Sanji
- Sad past came before he joined.
- Flashback came before he joined.
- Position; cook.
- Potential, low.
- Significance: they needed a cook, and Sanji wanted to follow his dreams… They settled together only due to the mix of emotions and the rush that Luffy was on.
- Chopper
- Sad past came before he joined.
- Flashback came before he joined.
- Position; doctor, however, it wasn't what he was asked to join for.
- Potential was high.
- Significance: Nami invited him due to the need of a doctor and the rush that the crew was in. Luffy and Sanji, however, invited him due to silly reasons like seven transformations and extra food.
- Robin
- Sad past came after she joined.
- Flashback came after she joined.
- Position was granted, all along, but has yet to be openly named/stated.
- Potential was extremely high.
- Significance: she asked to join, and she was accepted. Then, the eventual story forced a rescue arc featuring Robin where we learn all about her.
- Franky
- Sad past came before he joined.
- Flashback came before he joined.
- Position was named prior to him joining.
- Potential was low.
- Significance: after his island situation and attachment was lifted, and since he had a bounty on him, joining became simple and forced. He was asked to join, and he was accepted. Due to the rush, he was permanent.
- Brook
- Note: Brook joins two times, the first time he joins without any condition and is random. The second, though, he joins after everything is provided.
- Sad past came before official joining.
- Flashback came before official joining.
- Position was named before official joining.
- Potential is high.
- Significance: after his shadow situation was solved, he joined due to Luffy and crew heading towards the same route he wanted to head.
Now, "dreams" were omitted on account of the differences between each situation and what the point of them actually is. Usually, a dream is given prior to joining, and that's only prior to officially joining. But, the entire truth of this whole entire story is that joining requires the following:
- Being in a position to be asked to join, or ask to join, in the middle of a hectic rush, or some event that takes higher priority over someone. A sudden conflict is more reasonable.
This is true for all of the characters:
- Zoro accepted during a fight, and his life was on the line at that time.
- Nami accepted right after the party, however, she accepted while departing at haste.
- Usopp accepted as he was embarking on a journey.
- Sanji accepted after he knew of the conflict at Arlong Park.
- Chopper accepted as they were all rushing to head towards Alabasta.
- Robin was accepted after they had left Alabasta and were in the middle of the ocean. She, however, had few choices and picked the Strawhats due to a forced reason.
- Franky accepted to join during Garp's case and attack; he was unable to think and was rushed.
- Brook accepted due to him having a similar path as them, and the rush.
So, the way it works is that this "rush" prevents the character to basically rethink their choice and leave the crew; take Vivi and Gaimon as an example of this.
When Luffy asks characters, they often reject him during normal times and such, however, when a conflict is happening and they suddenly have to accept and then cannot go back on their word due to it being far too late. In other words, they get stuck at the position they end up in.
So, the next crew member will be a position where they are given a calm moment to have an invitation presented, and directly after a sudden conflict develops to insure that the character cannot escape from their previous commitment. Therefore, the character must be physically present to accept that invite and needs nothing else to join, except the presentation of the invite; Luffy's compulsive attitude makes it "random" at how characters can get these magically invites.
Perona:
- A sad past is something that can exist in the future.
- We know of what she's been doing since she first joined Thriller Bark.
- We know nothing at all of what happened before then… The sad past stuff can happen during that time.
- A flashback can still happen in the future:
- Due to Robin and Nami having these things happen, Perona can too "temporarily" join or officially join and then have a rescue arc to have her flashback told. There is nothing to suggest that she, herself, is unable to attain a flashback in the near future.
- A position exists, however, it has yet to earn a name, but she did hold some "position" during her stay at Thriller Bark. Whether that one is important or not, it seems to be something that Vivi never had.
- Potential: due to her having practically anything as a backstory, it could connect her to a world of plot importance similar to how Robin's character was worked.
- Significance: her joining would be spontaneous, and quick. I believe that it could open up a few things like the uncertainty that would come from the final crew member, the possibility of an important introduction to the future islands; events, and even something that might help Luffy get closer to attaining the One Piece. However, at this current time, Perona has nothing provided, and nothing stating she cannot have anything provided, either.
In order for Perona to join, she'd have to basically travel with Zoro and reach the next destination. Thankfully, she has a reasonable argument to "allow" her a pass on this requirement: Zoro's difficulties with directions.
Open to find a detailed write-up of this:
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Now, the idea of how he returns is unknown… It has some problems though.First off, he is on an island that has basically one character there that's confirmed alive, however, that character has no idea of what's going on with that island, nor does that character have any clue of where she is. This says that he cannot ask for help and quickly find his way towards a desirable location, therefore, he must have a lot of time wasted to find resources and other things needed to make a trip.
The second is his own inability to basically follow directions [[U]A/N: if you don't believe that this is what happens in the manga, I encourage you to actually reference the stuff and do try to expand… I refuse to keep spoonfeeding all that read this, you ought to know how to find things with relative ease, don't be afraid of referencing and minor details. So, if you don't accept this, then get your lazy *** to look it up and then after -finding it true-, try again. You'll realize that I am indeed correct, and please don't BS me with that "It's just a gag!!" crap, cause it's being used in a literal sense here, and that's pretty impressive...]:
- When Zoro was basically introduced, Oda had enough sense to foreshadow that Zoro officially got lost, and has been wandering around… He basically cannot get back to his home island because he literally does not know how. This is the standard concerning Zoro, when dealing with directions on his very own, he fails. Remember this.
- During the Kuro arc, Oda showed that Zoro couldn't figure from common compass direction, and therefore had to have help to find certain vicinities… Usopp helped him.
- After wards, during Arlong Park arc, Zoro was shown to have been guided by others the whole time, where his entire way of traveling around was by means of referencing people around him and asking them how to head towards certain destinations.
- During Little Garden arc, Zoro was shown lost within the jungle and had to ask Nami for help on directions.
- I think when Nami was sick, Zoro basically failed at following a logpose, and ended up having to be corrected by some other character.
- During Drum Kingdom arc, Zoro got lost twice and had to have help by Usopp and Vivi, surprisingly, he seriously got lost…
- In Alabasta, he got lost once again, and had to have hear advice from Marines just to help him find someplace… Surprisingly, he couldn't even figure out anything concerning formal directions.
- Come Skypiea arc, Zoro got lost and ended up heading back towards the starting point during the whole journey to find Shondria, the City of Gold… If it wasn't for the South Bird carrying him towards the beanstalk, Zoro would probably be wandering all over the place returning to the starting point for the rest of the manga...
- When Water 7 arc was introduced, Zoro got lost once again, and randomly bumped into others because of "assistance" from exterior circumstances.
- During Enies Lobby, Zoro couldn't find the stairs and have help from Nami.
- Again, after wandering in circles, Zoro basically remembered that Luffy was "north" and started heading "up" because of that… Furthermore, he had basically been told about this several times.
- Many many pages later, Zoro is shown on the beach of Water 7 watching Marine ships, and then trying to head towards where Luffy was to warn them, however, much to his dismay, he somehow ended up returning to his starting point. There after, he was helped by two pickpockets that showed him the way.
- Zoro's zombie got lost…
- When SA was introduced, Zoro basically knew enough to take note of the "numbers" and such, however, he still had to ask for directions or Oda drew that he had to ask for them as he was heading towards Grove One.
- And, now he is on some strange island… With a method of transportation available for his benefit, only if he could manage to use it...
So, all of this is truthful, in every sense… Zoro has had this happen every time the following has happened:
- The first part is that Oda shows Zoro acting cocky in some way and saying that he knows how to do it… [concerning direction].
- The second part is that irony kicks in and he basically fails and doesn't know how to get towards a place… Sadly, he basically gets lost.
- The third is that Zoro remains lost.
- In order to bring Zoro back into the plot line, Oda introduces -something- to help him find his way, otherwise, he would remain lost…
- The fourth thing is that Oda has Zoro being helped.
- The fifth is that Zoro ends up where he has to be, therefore, making the gag always work…
Those are the steps to this very 'gag,' as some people put it. I like to basically look at this and examine it for further reference… It's not a 'gag' and cannot be one because in literature, authors tend to make a set condition that foreshadows certain events to come, after a very prolonged series has enough characterization to have this involvement happen. In order to continually use this, they transform this into a "characterization" rather than a one-time quickly used gag of some sorts. Therefore, when you see it happen, you aren't bored of it, but instead you are assured that this character has a unique trait and quality that happens to exist. So, to you, having a character that's lost is natural and expected... Therefore, the idea that it'll entertain you is dependent on how it happens. Which is the important thing. Oda changes the experience by actually showing a new insight in the means of how Zoro is lost, which changes the comedy involved within that unique personality quirk.
So, according to this 'quirk' of Zoro's personality, he is doomed to be lost... Here's why:
- Zoro has stated that he knows how to use the vivre card.
- Zoro is illustrated being lost, in some way or form… In addition, Oda emphasizes this by using a personal phrase that depicts confirmation towards Zoro being lost.
This is foreshadowing of a future event to come, the event is that Zoro will need help from an exterior -thing- that will help him find his way towards SA. He, alone, is destined to fail; therefore, with some help, he will actually find his way back.
This is the literature in play, and we can assume that Oda is foreshadowing some character to assist Zoro in the end to help him return.
The problem is who will help him… We have very little information shown:
- Perona
- A mysterious figure of a silhouette
- An unknown, unrevealed variable
From the five pages that have any insight towards the current plot-line concerning Zoro, we are only shown three possible scenarios. The last, something completely not pictured yet… This means that it'll just happen all of a sudden and is totally random. Of course, this is the least likely candidate. The second is a newly revealed thing that doesn't even seem to do anything… It's completely absurd to assume this object of some sorts is introduced to help solve the problem, which is basically not even confirmed to be solved from this object… And the last, and best solution is Perona. She has been shown being able to follow a flashing signal from miles and miles away, and successfully find the vessel that set it off, some odd time ago.
Of all of the shown/ revealed details, Perona is a confirmed character towards the problem. She can follow a one-directional piece of paper. Everything else is basically unknown concerning that direction and Zoro is doomed to fail. So, we are introduced further foreshadowing that Perona has some future importance towards the plot, even though she's probable to just being a plot device thus far…
[/hide]So, this is the significance of her existence on the island to this point. She is to act as a plot device that helps Zoro reach his needed destination, safely and on time.
With this, we are assured that Perona is able to head to just this place. Furthermore, all the other crew members are expected to head to that place and will be forced to appear in the same place on account of the need to travel to fishman island.
SA is a place that holds danger, and possible conflicts. For that, there may be a situation where a character has to move to escape pursuit as they suddenly arrive, forcing them to rush and possibly perform something uncharacteristic, or whatever…
With this, the location allows the "rush" situation to exist in the surrounding and setting up well for Perona to have a shot at joining during this chaos.
Given that Perona placed her "belongings" on the ship, and the idea that she obviously has no other known directions to head off to besides following Zoro towards her "personal belongings" that are on the ship. Therefore, she's presented with limited options, that may even decrease if Moria is confirmed deceased. During that instance at which all of this is going to happen, depending on the pace, Perona has a shot at being in front of Luffy and randomly getting an invitation, or being presented with the desire to ask him to join in order to avoid loneliness. Luffy accepting or her accepting is merely up to the situation and the choice of the author, however, she is presented with that chance to have all of this happen, then.
If this happens, she would then be stuck with the crew heading towards fishman island, and would then have her adventure start. Whether she joins officially as how the other characters do, it all depends on the potential that Oda uses her character as an introduction towards the NW, by exercising the unknown details of her character.
Therefore, her chances of joining are quite high due to the fact that the author has placed her within the situation she's currently in, and changed her "mental" state to the frenzied state she's probable to being in; lonely.
Unlike all the other characters, though, Perona is probably the only character that seems able to "freely" join and accept at this time without having to first handle some business that takes priority and would characteristically force priority. Furthermore, due to the revealed detail of her character being so vague and light, it provides her with an unlimited array of potential that can fill in any blanks that seem needy in order for her to join.
Chances are, Oda is probable to using her as a Vivi character that has a future role like which Vivi presented, however, to counter the unfortunate, but great, end that Vivi reached, Perona offers a foreshadowing of being able to "hold" a position– something that Vivi, herself, never ever brought to the table.
Given that, if Perona is able to become a temporary member, then she'd be able to follow what Nami had done and eventually become the "position" that she foreshadows.
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Once again, I'm AGOG and this is my post....
- Zoro joined only after Luffy came to a conclusion that he was a nice guy.
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Ok, new rule. Any post that is over 100 lines long needs to be put in hide/spoiler tags from now on.
I'm glad to see the mods have finally included Perona into one of their "next nakama" polls.
Be careful where you point that thing. The last thread's poll was a joke poll that the mods had no part of.
Yeah.. I think none of the current candidates (including those not mentioned in the poll- is Marguerite at all relevant anymore?) have any chance, but if any can change that idea, it can only be Jinbei.
This poll was set up to have a showdown between the most debated names from the last thread. If people support someone else, that's fine and they can talk about it. This poll is just about which of the three names is most likely, and is in no way intended to say anything positive or negative about those who don't appear in it.
That's the official stance. Personally, I'd say that Marguerite has a minuscule chance at best.
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New rule is prejudicial against me…
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How's your Jinbei thought train at the moment(for permanent crewmate)?
unlikely but best chance of anyone we've seen/fifty-fifty/likely etc
Same question to brenda if you're lurking.
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I'm getting the idea that Oda might just be hanging that choice of the next two crew members back until Luffy figures his stuff out. The next female will most likely have her past revealed at a later arc, while Jinbei will have it all done at Fishman Island. Infact, I can almost be assured whether he joins or not, we will learn more about him from Fishman Island. Hell, he's been a character that was hyped up since the Baratie Arc.
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Personally I'd like perona to join, but that's not gonna happen. Hancock and Jimbei cpuld have a chance, but again…I don't think so. But someone else is definately gonna join (the mermaid princess?)
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How's your Jinbei thought train at the moment(for permanent crewmate)?
unlikely but best chance of anyone we've seen/fifty-fifty/likely etc
Same question to brenda if you're lurking.
There's no question that I feel like he has the best chance of anyone we've seen. How likely it actually is is something I go back and forth on. I feel like there's a legitimate chance, but it's far from a sure thing until we understand more about Fishman Island. Some days I get as confident as 50% but most days I'm closer to 30%.
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IMO, a shichibukai or former schichibukai will never be a future mugiwara. I don't think she will join either, but Margareth is the best candidate so far.
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what?
Margaret has had like ten lines in this entire series. She's also had absolutely no interaction with Luffy that wasn't for pure comedic purposes. Margaret has about as much of a chance as Akainu does.
Anyway, I can't wait until the day when Luffy screams out "YES~~!!! MY CREW IS FINALLY FINISHED!!!" It'll end this retarded speculation for EVERY CHARACTER THAT APPEARS IN THE SERIES once and for all.
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Jinbei for nakama!
I am Mansopp the most manliest man to ever man.
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I still don't see why everyone is expeting a preexisting character to be a nakama, or why there has to be a new one htis arc. I personally doubt both of those statements. I want and hope a completely new character is the next crewmate. Also, I don't get those who like Hancock, she is a BITCH
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Also, I don't get those who like Hancock, she is a BITCH
You got the answer yourself…
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I'm not Brennen or Urouge, or even in the Jinbei camp for that matter, but I thought that last chapter really improved Jinbei's chances. It didn't improve enough for me to think he would join, but it did help refute a couple of points against him.
For the debate at Jinbei being too strong, for those who previously refused to accept that the monster trio could equal him, his lines when he starts to fight Luffy are quite a step forward. "I will not lose to you as you are now." It may be a stretch, but I believe that Jinbei is saying, that in a different state Luffy could in fact beat him in a fight. Whether that means when he regains control of his emotion, heals from the war, trains or any combination of the three, I can't be sure. What I feel pretty confident in however, is that Luffy will soon be doing all those things, likely putting him on an even level with Jinbei. Of course, being even/ better does not mean Jinbei will join.
Also, Jinbei's continued reflection of his conversation with Ace was big step forward. Ace told Jinbei that he was able to rest peacefully knowing that Luffy's crew was there to protect him, then he told Jinbei to protect him. I think there is a fairly obvious connection right there. Whether that means stay with them permanently or for a little while is up for interpretation, not that there was any doubt that he was going to do one or the other before this chapter.
Also, he had hilarious face fault in this chapter, hinting at some comedy potential.
I was on vacation when the chapter came out so all of this may have already been covered in this last thread. If so I apologize.
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I still don't see why everyone is expeting a preexisting character to be a nakama, or why there has to be a new one htis arc. I personally doubt both of those statements. I want and hope a completely new character is the next crewmate.
Exactly how I felt on this whole situation.
votes none of them have no shot in hell option
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42 people are deluded buffoons.
42 is nothing short of the answer to the ultimate question. It's a sign.
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LOL, that's actually the best piece of evidence towards Perona joining.
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Ok I'll try to write down the main reasons why I went for Jinbei:
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I think having a fishman or merman in the crew is an important factor for the pirate king's crew - we have chopper who can communicate with animals and so we need someone who can communicate with fish.
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I think the crew needs to be whole before they enter the new world.
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I think Jinbei being present at Ace's death and the crew's reunion could work in his favor.
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As I firmly believe in a big timeskip, I think Luffy will be stronger than him after the timeskip.
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Damn. Jinbei voters made a jump last night.
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Here is my theory on why Jinbei will be a SHP by the time they leave FI. I'm clearly going farther out on a limb than anyone else has dared. Some of you will probably think I’m crazier than the Perona sect. It's a pretty long read so I'm going to put it in spoiler tags. I may respond to some of your comments and criticism if I feel up to it. However, I put a decent amount of time into writing this and I have no intention of wasting even more time trying to defend it against all the inevitably redundant critiques that some of you will have. With that said… Enjoy the read.
! After plenty of consideration I have finally decided to post my theory on the direction of the Straw Hat crew in this thread. It was suggested to me a while ago and I wasn’t really too keen on sharing here for various reasons. However, this thread continues to seemingly get more and more disappointing and recently I think I’ve figured out why. At least I’ve figured out why I’m disappointed. Part of it has to do with the point of the story which we’re at right now. There could be as many as two new crew members, and more importantly, Oda has left us without any of his usual obvious hints as to what kind of roles the crew is lacking and needs to fill. This has led to two kinds of speculation for the most part.
! First there are those who find a particular character especially interesting or attractive for one reason or another, and choose to support their chances of joining by trying to find anything they can which might make their choice a viable candidate for the crew. This generally means using a somewhat relative checklist of common traits which each crewmember to this point has shared, and trying to tie as many as possible to the candidate they’re in support of. Then there are those who look at characters as they’re introduced and decide for one reason or another that they would mesh well or have something to add to the SHP. These people are thinking almost identically to the first group but their priorities are reversed. Instead of finding a character they like and then trying to make them fit the checklist, these people use their checklist to judge the character first and decide one character or another is more likely to join because of how well they fit the bill.
! The latter group tends to make more sense, the former comes up with something interesting on occasion, but overall almost everyone is taking the easy way out. There is far too much focus on whatever character people think is going to join and putting together reasons why. Instead everyone needs to be focused a bit more on the crew itself and trying to discern what is most sorely lacking. Just because Oda isn’t making it obvious this time doesn’t mean it’s impossible. From my perspective, what the crew lacks most right now is sound and steady leadership. This is why for over a year now it has been my position that Jinbei will eventually become the Vice-Captain of the SHP.
! As I bring up this lack of leadership I also realize a lot of people will have issues with the idea. Most OP fans are particularly fond of Zoro and probably consider my idea somewhat sacrilegious. I don’t want anyone to think that I’m trying to shit on Zoro. I am also a OP fan and as such I can’t help but be especially fond of the crew’s most badass member. The problem with Zoro as VC isn’t that he lacks leadership qualities. I think everyone can agree that on a number of occasions Zoro has been forced to hold down the fort for Luffy and has managed to get the job done. The problem is that he and Luffy’s leadership qualities are too similar.
! Luffy and Zoro are alike in many ways, and as leaders they have nearly identical strengths and weaknesses. Both are exceptionally strong willed and stubborn, they are the type who forge forward without looking back and set an example for the rest of the crew. This kind of strong willed leadership has served the SHP very well to this point is arguably its strongest attribute. At the same time, an overabundance of reckless vigor and stubbornness needs to be tempered by an experienced and steady hand. In the same way a championship sports team needs veteran experience to keep focused and avoid distraction, the SH are desperately in need of a leader who can do things other than hold shit down and set an example. Luffy needs the kind of partner who can think ahead and help facilitate the crew’s power effectively. Zoro is the perfect man to step up when Luffy is unable to, like at the bridge of hesitation or against Kuma. At the same time he would not have been able to support Luffy properly like Jinbei did in escaping ID. The forethought that went into making sure there were plans in place to deal with both the gates of justice and Magellan’s scheme to get rid of the boats. As well as the common sense to prevent Luffy from wasting his energy fighting Teach. These are the kind of things that Zoro doesn’t do. Luffy and Zoro both have zero ability to plan ahead at all.
! Another big reason I think Jinbei will become VC is because I get the sense that he is in a position where it matters quite a bit how he is perceived by others. As the former captain of the fishman pirates I think he is in a situation where he can’t work for anyone under normal circumstances, particularly humans. I get the sense that this is the main reason why he never joined WB despite how much respect he had for him. Even if WB had made him a commander, there is no way he could become one of WB’s “children.” This is the major difference between WB and Luffy from my perspective. Where WB was everyone’s father, Luffy is now the little brother. At Luffy’s side Jinbei can form the kind of partnership that will have the right type of impact on both humans and fishmen, hopefully fostering some mutual respect.
! This brings up another interesting thing about Jinbei. He has a lot of respect for and is considerably indebted to Luffy already. He will also eventually find out the details of both the tenryubito incident and Nami’s past, which will only increase his respect for and obligation to the SHP. Despite that it’s clear that no one is going to join the crew solely out of a sense of guilt or duty. If Jinbei were to join then his dream would probably be quite unique, in the sense that it won’t be about him personally. Every member of the crew has a dream that is mostly about them. While some of those dreams might have a huge effect on others, they are ultimately about the individual desires of each crewmember. I don’t see Jinbei as having something he’s trying to accomplish for his own sake. If he were to join my feeling is that his main purpose would be to change the way the world perceives his people. Becoming PK means achieving fame and respect beyond measure, and to some extent that is shared with the entire crew. However, in order to change longstanding prejudice I get the sense that Jinbei will need a larger share of that fame and respect. People probably won’t change their ideas about fishmen just because there happens to be one in Luffy’s crew, but if Jinbei achieves Rayleigh’s level of fame and respect as the PK’s partner it will undoubtedly make people think twice.
! Lastly I’d like to point out a few things which I feel foreshadow my theory to some extent. First and foremost is the manner in which Jinbei was introduced. I shouldn’t have to go into detail because everything about him being Ace’s cellmate and their conversation really speaks for itself. Second I would like to note that despite being the last Shichibukai to be introduced he was the very first to be mentioned. Mihawk had already made his appearance very early but that was entirely necessary to give us an idea of what Zoro’s dream entailed. This exemplifies just how early on Oda was planning his eventual introduction inside that cage with Ace. Third is the frequency with which Vice Captain has come up as a theme in the story. Aside from Ben Beckman we really didn’t see or hear any mention of the position throughout most of the story, until more recently. The first time it really came up was as an offhand joke when the crew was leaving Water 7 and Ussop was trying to get back into the crew. After that it started coming up quite frequently. The crew soon met Brooke, who had previously held that position in his old crew. Once Brooke joined as the musician, the next available position became entirely ambiguous. This was closely followed by the introduction of Rayleigh, which speaks for itself. Also the fact that Jinbei took over the crew at some point after Fisher Tiger suggests a likely hood that VC was his original position in the Pirates of the Sun. My final indicator is the Sunny-go. The idea that Franky created a lion figurehead which happens to look more like a Sun is just too much coincidence for me. Especially when you consider the ship’s name and how similar that figurehead is to the mark of fishman pirates.
! Now before I get bombarded I would like to bring up the issue of strength and how I feel this will affect the crew’s power structure. Most of the people against Jinbei joining feel that way because it would mean someone stronger than Zoro joining the crew. Those who feel he might join generally seem to feel that by making Zoro stronger Oda can avoid this issue. Since my theory puts Jinbei in a leadership position over Zoro, many may assume that means I feel like it’s ok to have someone join who is clearly stronger than Zoro. This is not the case. Obviously the whole crew including Zoro is going to be getting much stronger, but for Luffy to develop into a rival for BB he’s going to have to improve several times more than the rest of the crew. While initially Jinbei may be a bit overpowered my feeling is that this will even out considerably. In the end I think Jinbei will slip into the position Luffy was at before the development of the gears. Until that point it was always relatively unclear just how much difference there was between Luffy and Zoro. In terms of pure strength they were essentially equal, although being the captain Luffy always fought the tougher opponent. My sense is that this will become the blueprint for Jinbei and Zoro, while Luffy leaves them both behind and becomes a monster. The only difference will be that I don’t see Jinbei always getting the tougher enemy. Who fights who will depend mostly on matchups and circumstance. Not to mention that Jinbei will probably have fewer individual bouts, as his skills in the water will often be put to better use in support of the crew.
! After over a year I still feel that my theory is better than anything else I’ve come across so far, despite the fact that it’s very bold and probably difficult for many to swallow. Although I’d imagine it might not seem nearly as outrageous now as it did when I first came to this conclusion. For those of you who are interested I will post a link to the thread in which I first posted this theory… I hope posting a link to another forum isn’t breaking any rules… http://theanimelounge.com/thread/8544-jinbei-is-he-really-too-awesome/ -
@Robo:
LOL, that's actually the best piece of evidence towards Perona joining.
not anymore. .
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How's your Jinbei thought train at the moment?
I posted three posts a few pages back, covering the biggest complaints or doubts about him; my position hasn't really changed, to be honest. Jinbei needs to develop more, that's a given, but he will have plenty of time to do it. He also has tons of potential for an emotional past, but given how little we know of him and Fishman Island, having an obviously explorable past doesn't mean it will revolve around him or that he will join. (Vivi, Wiper). Anyway, I think his chances are decently high for reasons I've already mentioned before, but a lot can change. From more recent developments, I would say it is worth noting that his introduction and development as a character have been uniquely humble for a man of his position, which since day one has always made me think Oda was prepping the readers for a long term position.
I've always thought that Jinbei would probably do a Vivi, but I still don't think he'll join full time.
Vivi status has always been the one thing that shook my position. The moment we found out he was in Impel Down I knew he would form a bond with Luffy and end up going with the crew to Fishman Island, but as a temporary ally or a permanent? Most people think it will be temporary because he is either too strong, too aged as a pirate (mentor-status), or because he has other responsibilities and no reason to travel with the crew. I disagree on almost all three, so I think the chances of him remaining with them after Fishman Island are greater than Oda introducing another element that will hold him back. Anyway, I will leave it at that for now.
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Ok I'll try to write down the main reasons why I went for Jinbei:
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I think having a fishman or merman in the crew is an important factor for the pirate king's crew - we have chopper who can communicate with animals and so we need someone who can communicate with fish.
This all to be able to find something legendary as the One Piece -
I think the crew needs to be whole before they enter the new world.
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I think Jinbei being present at Ace's death and the crew's reunion could work in his favor.
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As I firmly believe in a big timeskip, I think Luffy will be stronger than him after the timeskip.
To add to that there is only 5 crew members who can swim and no crew members who can fight well in water (excluding Sunny)
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None, but as stated Jimbei has the best chance. He really isn't strawhat matieral though.
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I posted three posts a few pages back, covering the biggest complaints or doubts about him; my position hasn't really changed, to be honest. Jinbei needs to develop more, that's a given, but he will have plenty of time to do it. He also has tons of potential for an emotional past, but given how little we know of him and Fishman Island, having an obviously explorable past doesn't mean it will revolve around him or that he will join. (Vivi, Wiper). Anyway, I think his chances are decently high for reasons I've already mentioned before, but a lot can change. From more recent developments, I would say it is worth noting that his introduction and development as a character have been uniquely humble for a man of his position, which since day one has always made me think Oda was prepping the readers for a long term position.
He has become more likely to join in my eyes due to last weeks chapter(starting with a low base from me so it doesn't even go up to Urouge's low point of 30% though). Of course, his current will to stay with Luffy could evaporate as soon as he's satisfied that luffy can look after himself.
Interested to see what his "dream" is. Still think it's going to be peace for his people, which makes me curious as to where that will leave him.
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Well, if it truly is peace for his people, then it would make more sense for him to leave his island than to stay there. He's not trying to reform the fishmen, they're ready to be accepted. It's the humans who still need to be convinced. When people were protesting for black rights they weren't walking around black neighborhoods, they knew they had to bring it to white people. Jinbei should know that he has to bring it to humans.
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My theory is that Jinbei will follow them to Fishman island and they will meet up with his son or pupil who is the next in line to carry the title of Knight of the Sea, but needs real world experience, which is why Jinbei will send him off to.
Also the fact that Fishman island is going to need a protector now that WB is dead is pointing to him staying at his home country. He is a Knight, he will stay to protect his land.
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@Robo:
Well, if it truly is peace for his people, then it would make more sense for him to leave his island than to stay there. He's not trying to reform the fishmen, they're ready to be accepted. It's the humans who still need to be convinced. When people were protesting for black rights they weren't walking around black neighborhoods, they knew they had to bring it to white people. Jinbei should know that he has to bring it to humans.
The world government is the shield that allows slavery to happen, so that'd leave him with…the revolutionaries.
Jinbei could go a lot of ways right now.
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Vice-captain is seemingly fact when used to describe Zoro. But it is not important due to Oda's usage of equality when describing the order of command around the crew. Oda avoids the commanding aspect and allows character to do what they can, rather than what they are told.
Your whole argument is trying to practically change everything concerning leadership within the crew and shifting strong known relationships to be monitored and ruined by a new member that merely came out of no where. To expect Jinbei, the new guy, to surge straight into that position despite his lack of qualifing qualities to hold such a role is beyond posssible. If Jinbei had any position at all, it would be a helmsman or something fodder-like. Oda chose to write out the theme of second in command by name due to their overall feeling as a brotherhood rather than minions and pawns.
Another thing that hurts Jinbei is Fishman Island because we know nothing of it. Perhaps there are fishman that are close to Jinbei and will join in his stead. Perhaps, Jinbei turns cynical and some outsider ends up joining– just the truth of there being no information about FI leaves readrs unable to make a choice on Jinbei because there isn't anything we can expect from it.
You might laugh, but Jinbei's physical size is a hindrance towards him joining; if he cannot fit, how can he join?
Other points aren't effective since they are able to change depending on FI.
To be honest, there's a long waiting period that merely places Jinbei on pause, rather than play. Because of the factor of uncertainty towards something completely unknown, Jinbei's chances of joining remain at a stand-still unless you consider his size, which instantly removes him from the running.
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Vice-captain is seemingly fact when used to describe Zoro. But it is not important due to Oda's usage of equality when describing the order of command around the crew. Oda avoids the commanding aspect and allows character to do what they can, rather than what they are told.
Your whole argument is trying to practically change everything concerning leadership within the crew and shifting strong known relationships to be monitored and ruined by a new member that merely came out of no where. To expect Jinbei, the new guy, to surge straight into that position despite his lack of qualifing qualities to hold such a role is beyond posssible. If Jinbei had any position at all, it would be a helmsman or something fodder-like. Oda chose to write out the theme of second in command by name due to their overall feeling as a brotherhood rather than minions and pawns.
Another thing that hurts Jinbei is Fishman Island because we know nothing of it. Perhaps there are fishman that are close to Jinbei and will join in his stead. Perhaps, Jinbei turns cynical and some outsider ends up joining– just the truth of there being no information about FI leaves readrs unable to make a choice on Jinbei because there isn't anything we can expect from it.
You might laugh, but Jinbei's physical size is a hindrance towards him joining; if he cannot fit, how can he join?
Other points aren't effective since they are able to change depending on FI.
To be honest, there's a long waiting period that merely places Jinbei on pause, rather than play. Because of the factor of uncertainty towards something completely unknown, Jinbei's chances of joining remain at a stand-still unless you consider his size, which instantly removes him from the running.
Perona is just 4th in the poll… just give up... and speak within 15 words :getlost:
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Vice-captain is seemingly fact when used to describe Zoro. But it is not important due to Oda's usage of equality when describing the order of command around the crew. Oda avoids the commanding aspect and allows character to do what they can, rather than what they are told.
Your whole argument is trying to practically change everything concerning leadership within the crew and shifting strong known relationships to be monitored and ruined by a new member that merely came out of no where. To expect Jinbei, the new guy, to surge straight into that position despite his lack of qualifing qualities to hold such a role is beyond posssible. If Jinbei had any position at all, it would be a helmsman or something fodder-like. Oda chose to write out the theme of second in command by name due to their overall feeling as a brotherhood rather than minions and pawns.
Who are you even talking to here.
Another thing that hurts Jinbei is Fishman Island because we know nothing of it. Perhaps there are fishman that are close to Jinbei and will join in his stead. Perhaps, Jinbei turns cynical and some outsider ends up joining– just the truth of there being no information about FI leaves readrs unable to make a choice on Jinbei because there isn't anything we can expect from it.
How can something we don't know hurt him? By it's very definition it's entirely neutral.
You might laugh, but Jinbei's physical size is a hindrance towards him joining; if he cannot fit, how can he join?
Other points aren't effective since they are able to change depending on FI.
To be honest, there's a long waiting period that merely places Jinbei on pause, rather than play. Because of the factor of uncertainty towards something completely unknown, Jinbei's chances of joining remain at a stand-still unless you consider his size, which instantly removes him from the running.
Seriously stop making this point if you want to cease being the laughing stock of this forum.
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Vice-captain is seemingly fact when used to describe Zoro. But it is not important due to Oda's usage of equality when describing the order of command around the crew. Oda avoids the commanding aspect and allows character to do what they can, rather than what they are told.
Your whole argument is trying to practically change everything concerning leadership within the crew and shifting strong known relationships to be monitored and ruined by a new member that merely came out of no where. To expect Jinbei, the new guy, to surge straight into that position despite his lack of qualifing qualities to hold such a role is beyond posssible. If Jinbei had any position at all, it would be a helmsman or something fodder-like. Oda chose to write out the theme of second in command by name due to their overall feeling as a brotherhood rather than minions and pawns.
This why it is important that Jinbei is so humble. He is not the kind of character to lord authority over the rest of the crew just because he can. At the same time he is far more experienced than anyone else on the crew and it would make no sense for that not to be utilized in some capacity as a leader. This is not about making the rest of the crew into minions, it's about providing them with proper guidance and direction when neccisary. Also while for now you can say he's coming out of nowhere I specified in my post that I didn't expect this to happen until towards the end of the FI arc. This means that by the time it happens he will not only have gone through thick and thin with Luffy, but will likely have at least one full arc to get familiar with the crew. I don't think anything else you had to say is worth responding to so I'll refrain from further comment.
Who are you even talking to here.
He was talking to me.
