With Kishi, nobody is safe. You have to be specific on who you want to save!
Really? I don't feel safe.
But yeah, duly noted.
With Kishi, nobody is safe. You have to be specific on who you want to save!
Really? I don't feel safe.
But yeah, duly noted.
Does Kishi even care anymore? I mean, does he really think that no one notices these logical errors? It just seems to me that he's not really trying anymore.
Does Kishi even care anymore? I mean, does he really think that no one notices these logical errors? It just seems to me that he's not really trying anymore.
I doubt it's apathy.
It's more likely the Part I used Harry Potter as a template, with some DB influence to add a spice for flavour.
But come Part II, Kishimoto decided to pursue his own ideas and hence we got the development of the Konoha blood feud, cycle of hatred and massive homoerotic fantasy undertones.
I doubt it's apathy.
It's more likely the Part I used Harry Potter as a template, with some DB influence to add a spice for flavour.
But come Part II, Kishimoto decided to pursue his own ideas and hence we got the development of the Konoha blood feud, cycle of hatred and massive homoerotic fantasy undertones.
Yeah, it seems part II just outright betrays the themes of part I.
Naruto should have been a random orphan nearby, his parents abandoned him, the true son of the 4th hokage was killed by madara, and in the middle of the destruction, the Konoha Orphanage gets destroyed and there's a fat blonde baby there, and then HE becomes the host, gets named naruto because had no name before, whatever.
Eventualy he meets his parents, a couple of losers who didn't want him and split up soon before she knew that was pregnant, came to term, left him behind, ninja mattron found him in the woods. He eventualy comes to forgive the two nobodys who are the parents of a future world leader.
At least the "hard work" shit wouldn't be raped to the ground by the inbreed population of Konoha.
Ya know, ever since part 2 and the art changed everything looks disgusting. These are some of the grossest, most sickening human-like creatures I've ever seen.
And I really didn't want to see how one of these things give birth. What should have been a beautiful, meaningful moment–something essential to Naruto's origin--instead made me cringe. Oh, and the adding drama via baby kidnapping was real nice too Kishimoto.
What should have been a beautiful, meaningful moment–something essential to Naruto's origin--instead made me cringe.
Yeah, just like in real life? :wassat:
@robbybedfart:
It seems to me pretty stupid to have female hosts be traditional if the seal is always going to weaken during childbirth.
Seems like a pretty major flaw in planning.
Especially when sealing the giant monsters has apparently been a tradition for generations, and usually associated with kages. They should have some grasp in the flaws by now. (Still an ass pull. Both of Naruto's parents and entire family line are legendary predestined pieces of awesome. uggh. way to work against a theme.)
hmm how is it a asspull? They did know the flaws and not every women has kids?? People been saying Naruto father was the 4th since the start of part one and nobody cared. Whats the big deal now?? This is why they had Kages and teams guarding her.
hmm how is it a asspull? They did know the flaws and not every women has kids??
Well, a woman is much more likely to give birth than a man.
Then again, in the Naruto universe who knows?
hmm how is it a asspull? They did know the flaws and not every women has kids?? People been saying Naruto father was the 4th since the start of part one and nobody cared. Whats the big deal now?? This is why they had Kages and teams guarding her.
If they did know the flaws (which they did), then why put the Kyuubi in a woman in the first place?
Just because not every woman has kids? Then why take the risk in the first place?
Still, a woman is much more likely to give birth than a man.
Then again, in the Naruto universe who knows?
True, but nobody has ever did what Madara did before. Nobody even knew about it unless Sasuke mom is a snitch ("snitches get stiches"-Itachi) LOL The OP universe you should be worried about. They have alot of flamming fags. Also robby we don't know how far theinto the woods she left a trail. Minato was the first one to notice because he is that good.
The OP universe you should be worried about. They have alot of flamming fags.
By all means, keep destroying the little respect we have for you.
@Badass:
If they did know the flaws (which they did), then why put the Kyuubi in a woman in the first place?
Just because not every woman has kids? Then why take the risk in the first place?
Tradition and her unique chakra and sealing abilities. Most people would die if they had the kyuubi. Their a lot of things we can ask Why some people do certain things in real life.
@Badass:
If they did know the flaws (which they did), then why put the Kyuubi in a woman in the first place?
Just because not every woman has kids? Then why take the risk in the first place?
Didn't she say she had a huge amount of chakra from birth? I'm pretty sure they choose the strongest, man or women. It just happened to be two women the first two times.
Tradition and her unique chakra and sealing abilities. Most people would die if they had the kyuubi. Their a lot of things we can ask Why some people do certain things in real life.
This makes so much sense.
[hide] no it doesn't[/hide]
Tell me, juju, are you really a fan of this series? Because there are even people on NF who know that this series is going nowhere.
@Cyan:
By all means, keep destroying the little respect we have for you.
??? LMAO Sanji just got turned into a freaking Fag for god sakes. Don't blame me, i didn't write fag nation in a manga. Don't make Naruto gay jokes when ur your fav manga has guys getting boners for other guys and a main character showing no interest in ladies at age 17. The age boys are going crazy to get some. If you ask me, OP is full of a bunch of fags.
Oh, juju. You just don't know when to quit. cracks knuckles
hmm how is it a asspull? They did know the flaws and not every women has kids?? People been saying Naruto father was the 4th since the start of part one and nobody cared. Whats the big deal now?? This is why they had Kages and teams guarding her.
I'm not sure if the problem is really dealing with Naruto being related to legendary/special people. I think it's more of the theme that Kishi brought in part 1 about hard work being better than inherited blood/fate and that now seems to be thrown out the window. If Kishi never tried that theme in the first place, then I don't think it would be as big of a deal among fans. But that's just my view.
??? LMAO Sanji just got turned into a freaking Fag for god sakes. Don't blame me, i didn't write fag nation in a manga. Don't make Naruto gay jokes when ur your fav manga has guys getting boners for other guys and a main character showing no interest in ladies at age 17. The age boys are going crazy to get some. If you ask me, OP is full of a bunch of fags.
Wow… this is just so utterly immature and homophobic idk where to start
??? LMAO Sanji just got turned into a freaking Fag for god sakes. Don't blame me, i didn't write fag nation in a manga. Don't make Naruto gay jokes when ur your fav manga has guys getting boners for other guys and a main character showing no interest in ladies at age 17. The age boys are going crazy to get some. If you ask me, OP is full of a bunch of fags.
:getlost:Luffy got a nose bleed from looking at Nami naked.
Oh, juju. You just don't know when to quit. cracks knuckles
That's our Juju, folks! He'll be here all week!
@Badass:
This makes so much sense.
[hide] no it doesn't[/hide]
Tell me, juju, are you really a fan of this series? Because there are even people on NF who know that this series is going nowhere.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/500/04/ :blink::blink::blink::blink::blink:
:getlost:Luffy got a nose bleed from looking at Nami naked.
This. Plus his not reacting to Hancock naked was to show, even more than what had been, that Luffy doesn't really give a damn about Hancock, even though she's obsessed with him.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/500/04/ :blink::blink::blink::blink::blink:
I know. I read the chapter, too. But, I dunno, doesn't this ALL just seem like one big retcon to you?
I'm not sure if the problem is really dealing with Naruto being related to legendary/special people. I think it's more of the theme that Kishi brought in part 1 about hard work being better than inherited blood/fate and that now seems to be thrown out the window. If Kishi never tried that theme in the first place, then I don't think it would be as big of a deal among fans. But that's just my view.
The only person that theme really sticks with is Rock lee. Naruto works hard, but he always had the Kyuubi,shadow clone, toughness. Also that was just for that Neji fight. Neji was just shitting on him with his words and Naruto made him believe that even lowly kid like Naruto could outsmart his blood limit. The Kiba fight with Naruto didn't even have that theme. The Haku fight didn't either.
@Badass:
This. Plus his not reacting to Hancock naked was to show, even more than what had been, that Luffy doesn't really give a damn about Hancock, even though she's obsessed with him.
I know. I read the chapter, too. But, I dunno, doesn't this ALL just seem like one big retcon to you?
Revealing something isn't a recon. Let me first say, Luffy being Ace half brother>>>>>>>>Naruto mom beiing host. I liked how Oda revealed his and the set up was way better. We have been waiting to here from Naruto Mom and Dad since part one. They have been speculation that they would reveal the important stuff from 16 years ago that we had NO CLUE ABOUT. We just knew naruto was born.
It's not so much a retcon as it is grating against the original themes of the manga.
We knew nothing of Kushina prior to her appearance here, so technically there was nothing to contradict. What can be hypothetically retooled as a contradiction is everyone's attitude.
We were originally lead to think that Naruto was a random baby chosen to be the Kyuubi's host, and that his nobody parents were killed so he had to grow up an orphan and everyone hated him because they mistakenly thought he was the fox's reincarnation.
Instead, Naruto is a member of the Senju Clan (and the blood feud) on his mother's side, is descended from both a Hokage and a woman who presumably has a kekkai genkai that allows her to use special chakra, and all of this was a not-so-secret the Konoha villagers conveniently forgot. This was never stated outright, so it's not technically a retcon.
On top of things, not only does Naruto lack peers when it comes to his ascended heritage, he's directly responsible for the fox's release because his mother's pregnancy weakened the fox seal. Which sort of justifies the villagers being angry at him.
Of all of this I think including him with the Senju Clan was probably the worst "twist" of all. History has shown that the Senju always own the Uchiha, and the Uchiha never seen to fudging learn or stop being butthurt, especially Madara. The best way to stop the blood feud is an outsider unrelated to the conflict, and here Kishimoto all but crowns Naruto as a Senju heir to beat up the Uchiha heir. NONE OF THIS WAS MENTIONED BEFORE, SO IT'S ALL GOOD, RIGHT?
It's awful.
This manga should have been called Nagato and involve the misadventures of that sassy Amegakure trio. Because the Pain arc is much more entertaining if one goes in cheering for Pain.
It's not so much a retcon as it is grating against the original themes of the manga.
We knew nothing of Kushina prior to her appearance here, so technically there was nothing to contradict. What can be hypothetically retooled as a contradiction is everyone's attitude.
We were originally lead to think that Naruto was a random baby chosen to be the Kyuubi's host, and that his nobody parents were killed so he had to grow up an orphan and everyone hated him because they mistakenly thought he was the fox's reincarnation.
Instead, Naruto is a member of the Senju Clan (and the blood feud) on his mother's side, is descended from both a Hokage and a woman who presumably has a kekkai genkai that allows her to use special chakra, and all of this was a not-so-secret the Konoha villagers conveniently forgot. This was never stated outright, so it's not technically a retcon.
On top of things, not only does Naruto lack peers when it comes to his ascended heritage, he's directly responsible for the fox's release because his mother's pregnancy weakened the fox seal. Which sort of justifies the villagers being angry at him.
Of all of this I think including him with the Senju Clan was probably the worst "twist" of all. History has shown that the Senju always own the Uchiha, and the Uchiha never seen to fudging learn or stop being butthurt, especially Madara. The best way to stop the blood feud is an outsider unrelated to the conflict, and here Kishimoto all but crowns Naruto as a Senju heir to beat up the Uchiha heir. NONE OF THIS WAS MENTIONED BEFORE, SO IT'S ALL GOOD, RIGHT?
It's awful.
This manga should have been called Nagato and involve the misadventures of that sassy Amegakure trio. Because the Pain arc is much more entertaining if one goes in cheering for Pain.
Mangas fail to mention things all the damn time to reveal them years later. I thought Luffy was just a random pirate who wanted to get a stronger crew then Ace. Know he has a brother(later half brother), Grandpa in he miltary, mom(she will be special in some way when she is revealed) etc… The village never forgot, they just didn't mention it. Just like how Gon will learn about hs Mom eventually. LOL Naruto isn't going to kill Sasuke through.
You call Ace and Luffy half brothers. Why is that? Both of Ace's parents were dead when he was born and he is 3 years older. They're brothers because they were raised together by Dadan and had the sake brotherhood drink together along with Sabo. Ace and Luffy are not related by blood (at least closely).
You call Ace and Luffy half brothers. Why is that? Both of Ace's parents were dead when he was born and he is 3 years older. They're brothers because they were raised together by Dadan and had the sake brotherhood drink together along with Sabo. Ace and Luffy are not related by blood (at least closely).
My fault i ment not blood brothers.
This manga should have been called Nagato and involve the misadventures of that sassy Amegakure trio. Because the Pain arc is much more entertaining if one goes in cheering for Pain.
Then, and ONLY then, will we know true Pain.
Let us pray.
The only person that theme really sticks with is Rock lee. Naruto works hard, but he always had the Kyuubi,shadow clone, toughness. Also that was just for that Neji fight. Neji was just shitting on him with his words and Naruto made him believe that even lowly kid like Naruto could outsmart his blood limit. The Kiba fight with Naruto didn't even have that theme. The Haku fight didn't either.
So naruto isn't an underdog, he's just retarded
that's our narudo
So naruto isn't an underdog, he's just retarded
that's our narudo
Naruto will still be the underdog agaisnt Sasuke. Naruto is this strong because the manga is ending. Luffy will be close to admiral level in 3-4 years and basically Youkou level when he faces the final villain. Sasuke will be superior powers and advantage, but Naruto will win ofcaouse.
Where can I find the thread for the Juju14 vs TLS debate?
Luffy never gave a speech about genes and fate not meaning shit and it hasn't been part of the major theme of One Piece for the past 10 years. If you really want to argue that hardwork overcomes fate wasn't a major theme of Naruto at least in part 1 then I really don't know what to say that can counter blatant ignorance.
Naruto will still be the underdog agaisnt Sasuke. Naruto is this strong because the manga is ending. Luffy will be close to admiral level in 3-4 years and basically Youkou level when he faces the final villain. Sasuke will be superior powers and advantage, but Naruto will win ofcaouse.
If he doesn't slip on his tears first
also why are you bringing one piece into this argument, like it's some sort of legitimate comparison against naruto. If I didn't read OP at all, it would just come off as silly
Naruto will still be the underdog agaisnt Sasuke. Naruto is this strong because the manga is ending. Luffy will be close to admiral level in 3-4 years and basically Youkou level when he faces the final villain. Sasuke will be superior powers and advantage, but Naruto will win ofcaouse.
Why were people trying to rationalize you as being not a shit poster lol.
Wait, since when was Naruto ending?
@JERK:
Why were people trying to rationalize you as being not a shit poster lol.
Why are people trying to act like they give a damn about your shit post lol.
Wait, since when was Naruto ending?
Since wishful thinking entered this thread.
I think that juju and Zephos should have a debate :sideways: .
I give a damn zeppy's shit post!!!! So it's like I don't have to pretend
Why are people trying to act like they give a damn about your shit post lol.
It's wierd how, like Mangafan before you, the Narutofan clueless defender always seems to be vaguely bad at english.
@Kairouseki:
Since wishful thinking entered this thread.
I think that juju and Zephos should have a debate :sideways: .
That's like Ichigo vs Killerbee.
@Kairouseki:
Since wishful thinking entered this thread.
I think that juju and Zephos should have a debate :sideways: .
Hasn't juju lost enough debates?
@JERK:
It's wierd how, like Mangafan before you, the Narutofan clueless defender always seems to be vaguely bad at english.
To be fair he's actually gotten a lot better with his english. I don't know if that's sad or not.
I have only one shit post, and no one cares about it = I own.
thnx juju
@JERK:
Why were people trying to rationalize you as being not a shit poster lol.
Pretty sure we were rationalizing that he's not the worst poster and defending him vs. TLS' faux intellectual arguments. There's some that I think are worse, I likes differentiating between the levels of shittiness.
What I find most ridiculous are as follows:
-Largest chakra source in the world is turned into a little bitch by a blonde with huge balls(of chakra)
-Madara couldnt turn the fox into his bitch hmmm?
-How naruto's mom (and dad) both have conviently placed messages and stories to tell there son. Like how do they know that he can access the fox "dimension" or will.
-The fox "dimension" what the hell is that supposed to be?
BTW manga with internal mind training suck balls