gee…did anyone realize Sanji is biting the hook on one of Usopp's bait? Hahaha...this just shows how crazy he is of Nami...how sweet but painful...<3 and...Ritchie is biting on Luffy's hook...hahahahaXD
Chapter 379 "Douriki" Discussion
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You know who that 3 headed guy reminded me of?
The 3 headed guard from Monty Python and the Holy Grail. -
I did some looking around on Canines. I think Jayabura will either be a coyote or one of the smaller wolfs.
Luffy should be glad that Lucci didn't eat a Liger Liger fruit. -
What powers do you think those devil fruits have?
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Ah, the liger. probably my favorite animal. XD
@Bubut:
Poor Spandam, he has only 9 dorukiri. But it was cut, maybe it was actually 9000 lolz
I don't know if this has been brought up:
A normal marine has 10 dorukiri
Luffy just beaten up 500 marines and counting…
It's safe to say that Luffy has 5000+ dorukiriheyyoustopthat
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@Forte:
You know who that 3 headed guy reminded me of?
The 3 headed guard from Monty Python and the Holy Grail.Yes, yes, same with everyone else.
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Gyaaah! @_@ the anticipation is still rising, this is getting crazy…
CP9 can be endearing sometimesCalifa: That's sexual harassment.
For talking about your team!?
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@Bubut:
I don't know if this has been brought up:
A normal marine has 10 dorukiri
Luffy just beaten up 500 marines and counting…
It's safe to say that Luffy has 5000+ dorukiriLook.. hitting for 4000 doukiri means one punch has that power.. Luffy beating 500 marines in sequence is a different thing altogether. What are you gonna say after he beats all 10k? That he has 100,000 doukiri?
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Ah, the liger. probably my favorite animal. XD
heyyoustopthat
I was surprised to find out that Ligers are bigger than Tigers.
Of course the Doukuri mesuring has a flaw where the straw hats are concerned. I can easily imagine their being a huge diffence in power from an unarmed hit by Zoro, and a 3 sword techniqe. To say nothing of Ussops brilliant tactics.
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I like ligers because of their magic skills.
And I really thought about what Ivotas said. Anyone see Rocky IV? Just think about when Drago hit up 1800 PSI. He was able to kill Apollo with his punches. When he juiced for the Rocky fight, he got up to 2300 PSI, I think. Rocky probably wasn't up there, but still beat him in a slugging match (thanks to the horrible choreography).
…..Point is, the hitter just has a stronger hit. If anything, I think it's just force, not overall power like in DBZ. Arlong maybe had 4000 Douriki as well, but you'd have been a fool to think Luffy would lose. Don't think that a strong hit matters much beyond a straight exchange, especially since blunt hits don't even hurt Luffy.
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That´s exactly what I meant Buc (though I had real boxers like Tyson and Ali in mind. ). Glad to see that it made sense to somebody.
It doesn´t determine who would win in a fight, but it works as a somewhat coherent indicator to establish some ranking among the fighters themselves. Statistic rankings are often used in fighting and in regular sports, but they still don´t say much about the outcome of the next match. Therefore we shouldn´t be bothered too much by it. It is definitely something different then the DBZ ranking levels.
Plus as I already established, Oda likes to use numbers a lot. The BW codenames and the Upper Yard Priest ordeal survival rates are not the only examples. Everybody already forgot about the bounties? It is also a numeric ranking and still it doesn´t mean that someone with a lower bounty can´t defeat someone with a higher bounty. Luffy vs Crocodile anyone?
Just some food for thought.
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except Lucci has the pierciness(?) of his fingers…
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Yeah, so I think it'd be a little pointless for Lucci to even bother with human form if he really fights Luffy.
I would have used real boxers as an example, but I dunno what they registered at. And as it is in action stories, douriki was used to show that despite the fact that the good guy is painiting the town red, it won't be an easy victory.
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Although Lucci definitely held his own against Luffy when they were fighting in Dock 1… and this was before anyone knew about his DF power.
It is inevitable, though, it will come down to an all out DF vs. DF fight.
peach-chan, that is too great. Oh snap!
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But remember that Luffy wasn't fighting back.
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Once you take a bite of a DF, it loses it's power and becomes a normal fruit.
Well i know that's what oda said on one of his interviews but that's a normal fruit like if two people tried to eat a mera mera fruit. There seem to be multiple people with like inu inu fruit powers just different models and the fruit looked like it peels in slices and is already sliced so I think the inu inu fruit or neko neko [zoan fruits] can be eaten by multiple people as long as no one eats the whole fruit and then you get a specific model so no one else can eat that slice of fruit. Which would validate those 2 fruits just being lucci's and jyabura's left overs.
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actually i think the Inu Inu No Mi is different for every model…. not ONE Inu Inu No Mi with each part of it becoming a diffrente model. Otherwise the fruit would jump from hand to hand since both Baroque Works AND Alabasta had a user of the Inu Inu No Mi.
so i don`t think this is true... that fruit still looks like a banana (something, forgot the name) and i got hyped with the possibility of the Ape Ape No Mi! But given the highly priveleged position of the CP9 i believe we may have a Logia here people...
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Well i know that's what oda said on one of his interviews but that's a normal fruit like if two people tried to eat a mera mera fruit. There seem to be multiple people with like inu inu fruit powers just different models and the fruit looked like it peels in slices and is already sliced so I think the inu inu fruit or neko neko [zoan fruits] can be eaten by multiple people as long as no one eats the whole fruit and then you get a specific model so no one else can eat that slice of fruit. Which would validate those 2 fruits just being lucci's and jyabura's left overs.
Now that you mention it, those fruits DO look like they are sectioned off. Compare that to the Gomu Gomu fruit in chapter one and you'll see what I mean.
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I can't believe I hated Fukurou when he was first introduced. Now he's really grown on me, he's awesome.
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@Cap'n:
I can't believe I hated Fukurou when he was first introduced. Now he's really grown on me, he's awesome.
it happened to me too XD
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But given the highly priveleged position of the CP9 i believe we may have a Logia here people…
Eh, I dunno.
It's kind of late in the game for the villains to suddenly get a Logia power on top of everything else. The only one of them that needs that big a power boost would be Spandam and I have no desire to see him get anything like Logia powers. If nothing else, it's because he'll most likely be fighting Franky at some point and Logia-Spanda would be practically invincible against all of Franky's attacks.
I guess it could be a show of the pure determination on Franky's part to beat Spandam, but why go for such epic feel to a battle that is inevitably going to wind up playing second fiddle at best to Luffy-Lucci, Round 2?
I don't really see any of the heroes eating a Logia Fruit either, as it pretty much automatically makes that person the best possible candidate for the Straw Hats and Luffy picking anybody else would questioned by the fans to say the least. But if he did pick that person, then Oda simply adds another seriously overpowered character to a crew that is already filled with heavyweights.
Of course, if a thing rather than a person eats a Logia Fruit, now that would be something else entirely. Sogeking's staff, Pauly's ropes, what have you.
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The thing is.. I don't think a item can use a logias power since it doesnt have any will or anything like that..
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The thing is.. I don't think a item can use a logias power since it doesnt have any will or anything like that..
True, unless it somehow responded to the will of the person using it, but a regular Devil Fruit would be a much better choice if it wound up being eaten by an item.
We won't know I guess until Fukurou tells us what they are.
Spandam: … it just so happens that I have a secret weapon!
Fukurou: unzippppppppppp He's talking about the ______ Devil Fruit. zippppppppp
Spandam: SHUT UP!
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I agree that it's not the right point in the manga to reveal another Logia. I mean, we just had THE MOTHER of all Logia fruits (Ener), and then we had Ao Kiji. Another Logia fruit would be cheesy. Not to mention Oda is running out of elements.
But these two DF could be any sort of wacky Zoan or Paramecia fruit. In Paramecia the sky's the limit, it could be any sort of weird power. As for Zoan . . . . we haven't seen any sort of insect fruit yet . . . . .or snakes . . . .
Actually when I was considering the chances of Paulie getting one of them, a thought hit me. Wouldn't Paulie look really cool if he gets an Eagle DF? I mean, with his hair-style an eagle would look awesome. Or a hawk maybe. (Pell has the falcon)
As for Jabura . . . . . I'm still not convinced that's a dog. It could be a hyena, nobody said it had to be a dog. Or maybe something really wacky like a Tazmanian Devil.
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I don't know why they would call him a "stray dog" if he wasn't some sort of canine. It's too bad his ears look obviously pricked, or I'd still be hoping for model: French Poodle.
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True, another Logia would be cheesy.
Seeing the latest potential of both the Paramecia and Zoan branches, (Neko Neko no Mi, Doa Doa no Mi), I believe that in some cases these two kinds of fruits can posses more threat than the Logia kind. The Logia users maybe immune to physical attacks, but they can't slow down time (Noro Noro), make doors out of nowhere (Doa Doa) or posses incredible strength and agility like Neko Neko.
This doesn't say that the Paramecia and Zoan users can defeat the Logia, but that Luffy and the others might have more trouble dealing with them. Crocodile and Enel immune to physical? Make them wet/use rubber (er..bad pun) and you can beat him. Fighting a humanoid giant Leopard with 6 super abilities? A battle of pure strength, endurance and wit; just like vs Arlong.
That makes me wonder; normal Jyanbura maybe 20 points weaker than Kaku, but his DF power would make him second in power; in other words, he might be the one to fight Zoro.
Yeah! Kaku vs SogeKing. Longnose Duel still very possible.
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Great chapter. Thank you for it.
These "Douriki" power levels are an interesting new angle. Now the CP9ers are clearly established in strength (with Spandam having even less power than an armed Marine, joy!) and the battle lines can be drawn. Those Devil Fruits, however, could spice things up in any number of ways.
Logia? I think that, putting aside everything else, having Rokushiki AND an elemental fruit is overkill, especially on someone like Kaku. My guess might be for a Zoan and a Paramecia, or perhaps TWO Paramecias – we need to see more of those wacky Oda-fruit ideas. Maybe Usopp could somehow get his slingshot (or that shmexy staff of his from the color page) to eat a DF and become uber-powerful. Or, maybe a Dial? Whatever. I have no idea what the fruits could be, so I won't even bother trying.
My order of fights is as follows:
Luffy - Lucci (This is as obvious as they come.)
Usopp - Kaku (out of revenge for the Going Merry. Even if he won't say it in front of anyone, Usopp WILL need to get over the loss of Merry and become stronger... What better way than to vent some aggression on the one who "killed" her?)
Sanji - Jabura (As I believe -- or hope -- that Usopp'll fight Kaku, the next strongest, weaker than Kaku by only twenty points, will fight Sanji! Martial artist to martial artist. It'd be about time for Sanji to take on a badass. His last was, what, Kuroobi?)
Franky - Blueno (A rivalry dating back to the incident at the warehouse.)
Zoro - Kumadori (That staff of Kumadori's seems to have a blade on it, which makes him the target for Zoro. Either of Kaku or Jabura could instead get his fight, but I REALLY want Usopp and Sanji to shine a bit more this arc.)
Chopper vs. Fukurou (Freak vs. freak, leaving Nami to the weakest...)
Nami vs. Califa (The weakest CP9 against the physically weakest of the Strawhats. I want to see Nami find some one-on-one action this arc.)
-- Exhibition: Franky wailing on Spandam, Luffy whipping this Baskerville guy
--- Meanwhile, Galley-La and the Frankies handle the remaining Marines (that haven't been whupped by Luffy) while the Strawhats and Franky tangle with CP9.
... On another, less-serious note...
**_FRANKY CHOMP!!! That was awesome. Ol' Frank did some nice dental work there.
I believe that's all I have._**
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the douriki concept exceeds the levels of awesomeness that should be allowed. and introducing two devil fruits at once? badass. I love this power level concept being introduced in OP. I wanna see the strawhats douriki o.o I hope we find out
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Technically this isn't the firs time power levels have been introduced in OP. Before the bounties were usually used as a means to measure a perons power and/or threat.
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Maybe Usopp could somehow get his slingshot (or that shmexy staff of his from the color page) to eat a DF and become uber-powerful.
This is a good idea. How many DF Weapons have we seen? One?
This is a point that MUST be expanded more, and someone in the crew having a DF Weapon would be a nice way of doing it.
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Technically this isn't the first time power levels have been introduced in OP. Before the bounties were usually used as a means to measure a perons power and/or threat.
I agree. As I said before, this may just be the Government equalivant of Bounties.
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You know if Spandam eats one of the DFs I hope is is something compleatly usless. Like a Fish Zoan type. Or if it's a Logia it could be something like the Dirt Dirt fruit or Mud Mud fruit.
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Yeah, you have to wonder if the deal with Lasso was just a one-time occurance, or if it was actually there for a reason. What better a guy to do the same then the one that said it was "bullshit!" XD
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Ooooh, exelent chapter, and Franky Chomp AGAIN!! f'in great. ^^
Hey, NarutoForums recently got a One Piece subsection, and I was wondering if it was okay to link translations and/or mirrors people here post (of course with proper credit where it is due)? Or will it cause unwanted slowdowns and such?
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@Luffies:
Or if it's a Logia it could be something like the Dirt Dirt fruit or Mud Mud fruit.
Crocodile did that already.
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@Reiza:
the douriki concept exceeds the levels of awesomeness that should be allowed. and introducing two devil fruits at once? badass. I love this power level concept being introduced in OP. I wanna see the strawhats douriki o.o I hope we find out
I prefer not to see the strawhats douriki….coz it will show their limit. we all know lucci's douriki is 4000, and by luffy defeating lucci (without luffy's douriki's being mentioned) will cause more curiousity about how strong luffy really is.
As for GoAnderson, I can understand why u want Usopp vs Kaku fight, revenge for going merry plus long-nose vs long-nose (eh, changso???), and usopp need to regain his worthiness by defeating a strong opponent. But giving zoro to fight kumadori will be a big waste for zoro, don't u think ????
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Just a guess I have but it seems that the akuma no mi of Jyabura will be neko neko type "lion" then again I might be wrong
Actually if they show Luffy's douriki level it will probably be lower then Lucci's
But Luffy will still defeat Lucci making people think if Luffy is really strong or just lucky
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Heheheh,Franky chomping on Spandam's head was awesome.
Also with Kalifa's sexual harrasment claims.
So….Spandam actually just sucks ass with just 9 douriki. -
Nah, Spandam's got:
-His mysterious sword.
-His elephant.
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HQ without watermark avaliable.
I will upload a HTTP link as soon as my download it complete.
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Its unlikely Spandam will eat any 1 of the DFs
He specifically said the 2 DFs are rewards for completing the mission
and that would be any of the 4 CP9s - Lucci, Califa, Brueno & Kaku
who get this privilegeAnd eating the DFs doesnt suddenly make 1 stronger
even if its a Logia fruit
these things take serious amt of training
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Yeah, you have to wonder if the deal with Lasso was just a one-time occurance, or if it was actually there for a reason.
Hmm… have we seen Frankfried and Spandam's sword in the same shot together by any chance?
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HQ without watermark avaliable.
I will upload a HTTP link as soon as my download it complete.
…and teh skrip is done.
Personal musing: As entertaining as Fukuro is, I hope that he, and by extension his power levels, are soon discarded from One Piece, never to return. The numerical statistics aspect was an easily identifiable part of the huge thematic shift in Dragon Ball that turned it from fun and entertaining into plodding and superficial, and while I very much doubt that Oda is turning or ever will turn down that dark path, as someone who does (to some extent) enjoy discussing the developments of One Piece, I have numerous deep and unremovable scars from seeing the ravaging effects of number/logic-based combat manga (Naruto, HxH, etc) on a weak-minded and large-mouthed audience.
That sentence was nearly 90 words long. -
…and teh skrip is done.
Personal musing: As entertaining as Fukuro is, I hope that he, and by extension his power levels, are soon discarded from One Piece, never to return. The numerical statistics aspect was an easily identifiable part of the huge thematic shift in Dragon Ball that turned it from fun and entertaining into plodding and superficial, and while I very much doubt that Oda is turning or ever will turn down that dark path, as someone who does (to some extent) enjoy discussing the developments of One Piece, I have numerous deep and unremovable scars from seeing the ravaging effects of number/logic-based combat manga (Naruto, HxH, etc) on a weak-minded and large-mouthed audience.
That sentence was nearly 90 words long.My god Oda, what have you done?
(Grabs his neck and pins him to the wall)
WHAT HAVE YOU DONE!!!!!!!!!??
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Just a guess I have but it seems that the akuma no mi of Jyabura will be neko neko type "lion" then again I might be wrong
I think it is very unlikely that it´ll be anything else then an Inu Inu no Mi, because they already refered to him as stray dog plus it would have the classic cat and dog situation if Jabura would be a (wild)dog while Lucci is a (wild)cat.
…and teh skrip is done.
Personal musing: As entertaining as Fukuro is, I hope that he, and by extension his power levels, are soon discarded from One Piece, never to return. The numerical statistics aspect was an easily identifiable part of the huge thematic shift in Dragon Ball that turned it from fun and entertaining into plodding and superficial, and while I very much doubt that Oda is turning or ever will turn down that dark path, as someone who does (to some extent) enjoy discussing the developments of One Piece, I have numerous deep and unremovable scars from seeing the ravaging effects of number/logic-based combat manga (Naruto, HxH, etc) on a weak-minded and large-mouthed audience.
That sentence was nearly 90 words long.As I said it previously, we shouldn´t worry too much about this power levels. Each mega arc has a different numeric indicator to rank the villains. Be it BW´s codenames or the survival chances of the Upper Yard Priest´s ordeals or even the always present bounties themselves. This douriki is just one new indicator that aswell as the other indicators gives just a rough outline about a ranking, but it doesn´t mean that a lower rank couldn´t beat a higher rank. Don´t worry, One Piece won´t fall that dark path.
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I think it is very unlikely that it´ll be anything else then an Inu Inu no Mi, because they already refered to him as stray dog plus it would have the classic cat and dog situation if Jabura would be a (wild)dog while Lucci is a (wild)cat.
yes….that will explain how lucci and jyabura aren't so nice to each other
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i do think the donki levels are intresting i just dont want to see power ups and crap like that, but what i would like to see before the begining of the fights that zipper mouth measured the strawhats donki
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Its unlikely Spandam will eat any 1 of the DFs
He specifically said the 2 DFs are rewards for completing the mission
and that would be any of the 4 CP9s - Lucci, Califa, Brueno & Kaku
who get this privilegeAnd eating the DFs doesnt suddenly make 1 stronger
even if its a Logia fruit
these things take serious amt of training
so consuming the fruits mean an immediate weakness instead.. they cant swim!True, he did say that they were a reward for the Water7 CP9 members.. but Blueno and Lucci already have Devil Fruits, and Kaku seems to not be interested in one. So Kalifa is the only one who doesn't have a stand on the matter one way or another - she could get one. But that still leaves one left- I think Spandam will take it for himself… he has that kind of superiority complex.
Plus, Spandam not being able to swim would be another joke that they could use - he is clumsy and even fell in the canal water in the Franky flashback. I don't know... I can totally see something like that happening, much to Spandam's misfortune. :laugh:
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Greta job, stephen, but there's an error..!!!
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Spandam: Those idiots foolish enough to block our way must be killed as sacrifices for PEACE!!!
Just as that FISHMAN who wouldn't give up the goods like we asked him to was killed as treason towards justice!!!Tom: The reason Tom-san gave his life to protect the plans
WAS BECAUSE OF MORONS LIKE YOU!!!!Spandam: GIYAAAAAA!!
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@Cap'n:
Greta job, stephen, but there's an error..!!!
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Spandam: Those idiots foolish enough to block our way must be killed as sacrifices for PEACE!!!
Just as that FISHMAN who wouldn't give up the goods like we asked him to was killed as treason towards justice!!!Tom: The reason Tom-san gave his life to protect the plans
WAS BECAUSE OF MORONS LIKE YOU!!!!Spandam: GIYAAAAAA!!
Oh man….I forgot all about this one.
CHAPTER 341
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Chimney: AAAH!!! I CAN'T STAND THIS!!!
I NEED TO GO TEAR SOME SHIT UP!!!Mos: Ah! Wait, Boss!!
Kiwi: Thanks for the food, Blueno!
Thanks for reminding me, Carter.
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Chimney: AAAH!!! I CAN'T STAND THIS!!!
I NEED TO GO TEAR SOME SHIT UP!!!I don't think I've laughed this hard in days.