Shichibukai Discussion Thread

[Deicide]

We don't know how old the Shichibukai position is. It may have been created years after Rogers' execution.

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@Deicide:

We don't know how old the Shichibukai position is. It may have been created years after Rogers' execution.

Good point. 19chars

[TheGodfather]

@Urouge:

That's a good question. There are a few things to consider. Luffy only got a 100 mil bounty for defeating Crocodile, so it's hard to imagine that they'll give Croc a major increase based solely on his strength. What he does have under his belt, though, is the big Arabasta fiasco combined with all of his knowledge of secret government technology. I think those two factors are more likely to contribute to a bounty increase than the strength he gained over the years.

Literally anything could happen with Jinbei, but I feel like his bounty won't change all that much. I see that as a scenario like with Robin. She appeared after 20 years to keep the same bounty she was charged with when she was an 8 year old. After Enies Lobby, plus the 20 years she managed to evade the government, she only got an increase of 1 million, lol. Her perceived threat was that of strictly knowledge, though, which didn't really change. Jinbei's is likely based on strength, instead.

Blackbeard is the most interesting case since he defeated Ace and will likely prove that he can stand toe to toe with an admiral. I expect Luffy to hit a billion (based on actions like hitting a noble and his haxi blast, not strength), and it would make sense for Blackbeard to surpass him.

I agree with this. While I don't think Luffy's bounty will be a billion, I could see it well over 500 million. Blackbeard could be a billion, though. I am also expecting the rest of the crew to get over a 100 million berries each towards the end of all this.

This massive increase could inspire many strong bounty hunters in the future, what do you think about this?

[Johnny B. Decent]

So, like I said in the theory thread, the only Supernova I could see joining the Shichibukai is Bonney, because of the power Time has. The other is probably going to be a new character, or Crocodile, because he's bored.

That said, if the Shichibukai disband, that means one of the Yonkou is dead, the Shichibukai are gone, and the Marine HQ is destroyed. I think the WG will try and keep the Shichis just to keep the momentum on their side.

[Urouge]

@TheGodfather:

I agree with this. While I don't think Luffy's bounty will be a billion, I could see it well over 500 million. Blackbeard could be a billion, though. I am also expecting the rest of the crew to get over a 100 million berries each towards the end of all this.

This massive increase could inspire many strong bounty hunters in the future, what do you think about this?

The billion mark is just based on the trend. So far it's gone 30 -> 100 -> 300 -> ?. Between punching the noble, the ID incident, and using his kingbition blast in Marineford, he has enough to justify such an increase. Also, Usopp has said that Admirals should be going after pirates worth billions.

I have no doubt that everyone will easily surpass 100 million by the end of the series. It's the Pirate King's crew, after all. I think everyone is hoping to see some strong bounty hunters in the future.

[TheGodfather]

@Urouge:

The billion mark is just based on the trend. So far it's gone 30 -> 100 -> 300 -> ?. Between punching the noble, the ID incident, and using his kingbition blast in Marineford, he has enough to justify such an increase. Also, Usopp has said that Admirals should be going after pirates worth billions.

I have no doubt that everyone will easily surpass 100 million by the end of the series. It's the Pirate King's crew, after all. I think everyone is hoping to see some strong bounty hunters in the future.

alright, that seems plausible. Also, don't forget he is Dragon's son, enough to justify such an increase.

Also, while were on this topic of bounties, I also believe Sengoku realized who Whitebeard war refering too, as far as his prediction who the Pirate King will be, and could then treat Luffy's crew to a similar increase for their bounty just because of this.

we must also take into consideration the possibility of Hancock or Jinbei joining. That could also add to their infamy factor.

I was just thinking how I remember, after reading Luffy's first bounty, how high that was. Then the same feeling after seeing Crocodiles bounty. Then blown away after seeing Doflamingo and Kumas. I can't wait to see the world's reactions to a Billion berry bounty

[Zik]

@Shichibukai:

After the war there will be no more Shichibukai. You people don't seriously think that are going to search for 3 replacements? After Moria was deafeted by Luffy they said they don't replace Moria because people knowing about the deafeat of another one so shortly after Crocodile would people not take them seriously anymore. After this war there is absolutely no point in having Shichibukai.

This would be the case if they were defeated. BB and Jinbei openly gave up their titles.

They'll most likely be replaced unless the Gorousei have something else in mind.

[TLC]

I can't wait till we see Blackbeard and Jimbei's replacements:D

All the Shickibukai have shown highly interesting characters and powers. And now we're gonna get two more of them.

Neat^_^

[Don Quichotte De Flamingo]

i hope the WG wont chose two new shichibukai..(maybe some SN but they shouldnt do so)..
also a new yonkou must be choosen than. but that will be a battle between many pirate crews..that could be cool to see.

[onemoment]

@Thousand:

I can't wait till we see Blackbeard and Jimbei's replacements:D

All the Shickibukai have shown highly interesting characters and powers. And now we're gonna get two more of them.

Neat^_^

Eh…I dunno. I'd seem a bit cheap if guys like the shichibukai could just endlessly be replaced when their members are defeated. Yeah, it was said that there are plenty of applicants, but there's got to be a limit to how many badass pirates there are in the world, right?

And I'm not sure I'd like the series to spend the time developing...I'll say more then two...shichibukai at this point of the series. We've spent so much time with the shichibukai we know about already, can these other guys catch up? I'd worry about all of this.

[Technique]

The Shichibukai's play was piss poor in this war…All across the board.

[SMUDGE]

@Technique:

The Shichibukai's play was piss poor in this war…All across the board.

We only saw a fraction of them due to the focus on Luffy, WB and crew.

The few pieces we were given were impressive though.

• Moria/Dofla beat Oars
• Hancocks attacks on Smoker and the Pacifistas
• Mihawks various impressive attacks.

Plus when you consider that they are likely to have major parts in the future, it makes sense not to totally reveal the abilities the possess, despite us seeing previews.

[Shichibukai]

Uhh when Crocodile was deafeted and stripped of his title it was the first time that happened and it was said that this is the first time ever that a shichibukai has to be replaced that means Doflamingo, Kuma, Moria, Crocodile, Jimbei, Hancock and Mihawk were the first and only ones there ever were until Crocodile was raplaced with Teach.

[Technique]

@SMUDGE:

We only saw a fraction of them due to the focus on Luffy, WB and crew.

The few pieces we were given were impressive though.

• Moria/Dofla beat Oars
• Hancocks attacks on Smoker and the Pacifistas
• Mihawks various impressive attacks.

Plus when you consider that they are likely to have major parts in the future, it makes sense not to totally reveal the abilities the possess, despite us seeing previews.

All of the above was weak because it was off-panel or no competitive battle.

[brennen.exe]

@Technique:

All of the above was weak because (there) was no competitive battle.

This right here sums up your whole stance. "X is bad because I wanted Y". You don't like the war because it didn't have enough continuous and focused action. All the people you wanted to see fight only had little skirmishes here or there, and nothing really extended into much detail.

[TheGodfather]

@brennen.exe:

This right here sums up your whole stance. "X is bad because I wanted Y". You don't like the war because it didn't have enough continuous and focused action. All the people you wanted to see fight only had little skirmishes here or there, and nothing really extended into much detail.

AMEN! in 16 char

[freedom]

@phoenix_fire:

It depends on the timeframe. Im quite sure, that the shichibukai exists as an organization for some time before Roger and the yonkous. So the current shichis arent the only ones, who had ever been awarded with this title.

@Deicide:

We don't know how old the Shichibukai position is. It may have been created years after Rogers' execution.

It makes the most sense that the Shichibukai position was established after Roger's execution. Remember, the great pirate age didn't start until after Roger's speech and death. Also, though the naming "Shichibukai" (Seven Armed Seas) may have been just a "cool" name made up by Oda. He tends to think things through more than that. And so, it'd make sense that the WG sat down and decided how many pirates they wanted. But that doesn't mean it isn't possible to change the title easily. After all, they made Ace an offer, which was only three years ago.

As for the balance, it was screwed the moment Ace's execution was announced. I believe we'll have a much better idea after the next chapter. I'm still holding out for BB to attack Marineford either outright, or in defense since he just told the Marines they can shove their title and I don't see them taking that insult and just letting BB waltz off and also take four newly released world-renowned criminals with him.

Bounties of Shichibukai (past and present) - I hadn't thought about it until mentioned earlier in this thread. But, I'm definitely interested in seeing bounties for Crocodile, Jinbei and Blackbeard. Since we're at it, let's just throw some numbers around…. wt!

Crocodile - >162M Berry (LOL, Oda did say if he was active, it'd be at least twice what it was was when frozen)
Jinbei - 250M Berry (His special attack is the face palm)
Blackbeard - M Berry

[Urouge]

The universal gravity equation is a nice touch lol.

I'm really hoping for a 981 million bounty for him now.

[freedom]

I had 817M for BB at first. LOL!

[Deicide]

I have no idea what bounty BB should have. Until we see other top tier bounties, we have no base for comparition.

[Cyan D. Funk]

400,000,000 Beri should cover the mass breakout of the Level 6es, the gangbang of the strongest pirate alive, and betraying the Government.

Plus it would knock Polneraff Donquixote off the top.

[Zik]

BB's bounty will be 900 mil or 2 billion. Either way it'll be higher than Luffy's.

[Cyan D. Funk]

The 900 mil seems more along the lines of Dragon, and something in the billions would work for Roger.

But yeah, it has to be the highest we've seen.

[Urouge]

980-981 million. Please do it, Oda!

[MagneticMonkey]

@Cyan:

The 900 mil seems more along the lines of Dragon, and something in the billions would work for Roger.

But yeah, it has to be the highest we've seen.

No the bounty has to be 956 million. Who cares about roger. The downfall is imminent.

[SMUDGE]

@Technique:

All of the above was weak because it was off-panel or no competitive battle.

Its a battlefield full of powerhouses that look for opportunities to take down the opposition. As seen several times throughout.

E.g.

• Joz arm being frozen.
• Marco being handcuffed.
• Several surprise attacks by Akainu.
• Squads attack on Whitebeard.

All were surprise attacks that weren't obvious to the victim.

What your implying is that there should have been a particular etiquette that states one on one fighting….lol.@brennen.exe:

This right here sums up your whole stance. "X is bad because I wanted Y". You don't like the war because it didn't have enough continuous and focused action. All the people you wanted to see fight only had little skirmishes here or there, and nothing really extended into much detail.

What he said.

[freedom]

@Deicide:

I have no idea what bounty BB should have. Until we see other top tier bounties, we have no base for comparition.

I don't know about others, but both Urouge and I (and I assume the others as well) are just throwing out baseless numbers for fun. That's why I went ahead and included the equation for the gravitational force between two masses for BB's bounty.

[SMUDGE]

@Cyan:

400,000,000 Beri should cover the mass breakout of the Level 6es, the gangbang of the strongest pirate alive, and betraying the Government.

I would have thought he'd have taken on a massive bounty due to the Governments original bounty payments for the freed prisoners being practically pointless.

[Urouge]

@freedom:

I don't know about others, but both Urouge and I (and I assume the others as well) are just throwing out baseless numbers for fun. That's why I went ahead and included the equation for the gravitational force between two masses for BB's bounty.

My number is the acceleration due to gravity on the surface of Earth, lol. So it has a basis, technically, but still half a joke.

(It's a very common and heavily used number in physics).

[Zik]

@Urouge:

980-982 million. Please do it, Oda!

I never understood some of Oda's bounty choices dealing with the ones place of the #.

I just never see what the extra one or two million does for the bounty.

Does he just like putting #s together so they appear like they're more?

[Shichibukai]

Why do you even mention bountys anymore? Now Ace and WB are dead and we never learned their bountys so what makes you think we will ever learn the others?

[Frozen Flame]

@Shichibukai:

Why do you even mention bountys anymore? Now Ace and WB are dead and we never learned their bountys so what makes you think we will ever learn the others?

To hype them up and show relative strength.Whitebeard had was only in for a few chapters and he and Ace were never Luffys rivals.We might learn Aces bounty later though.

[Shichibukai]

I just say that we may never see their bountys just like Aces and WBs. Also since Jimbei i don't really pay any attention to them anymore as they seem more or less random.

[Technique]

@brennen.exe:

This right here sums up your whole stance. "X is bad because I wanted Y". You don't like the war because it didn't have enough continuous and focused action. All the people you wanted to see fight only had little skirmishes here or there, and nothing really extended into much detail

Which is called off-panel, something i'm not suppose to like.

[Ivotas]

@Don:

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also a new yonkou must be choosen than. but that will be a battle between many pirate crews..that could be cool to see.

Why? It's not like the Emperors are a group under the supervision of the World Government. Unlike with the Warlords there's no need for a replacement here.

[herr_sebbe]

Yonkou aren't supposed to have bounties, given that their capture would ruin the balance in the world. Dunno about Ace. :ninja:

[Shichibukai]

Really i don't get why people think there must always be a fixed number of certain positions. There is no rule that there must be 4 yonkou, 3 admirals, 7 shichibukai. There could always be a fourth guy being promoted to admiral or if 1 dies there are just 2. Ok 7 shichibukai is kinda fixed to hold world balance for the goverment but yonkou is just a title those particular 4 pirates are called if 1 dies like WB now it's not like everyone is like WB died now there is a new position free. That whole world balance thing is just for the goverment because they piss their pants that they might be overtaken or destroyed if a yonkou dies it's a good thing for them because it's turns the balance in their direction. Even with 3 shichibukai lost on their side it's easily outweighted by 1 yonkou less.

[Zik]

The shichi in shichibukai means seven you know. That's why ppl think there should always be 7 of them. The word literally translates to 7 warlords.

When Croc lost his title the WG were mad and quickly wanted to get a replacement. When Moria was defeated they panicked hoping he wasn't going to give up his status too. The WG needs the shichibukai for many reasons so it's safe to assume there'll always be 7 of them.

Also with one yonkou gone it's even more pressing for them to get their #s back up so they have an advantage. You don't enter wars with the mindset that "well we're not at full power or have a enough shichibukai but hey it should be easier since the last war didn't have the full amount of shichi either."

[Ivotas]

I've been wondering, can the WG can even afford to keep Warlords together? With Croc they could sell it as a once in a lifetime mistake that backfired on the them. But then Jinbei stepped down from his position and shortly afterwards Teach spat in the face of the WG. I mean shouldn't now doubts in the entire Warlord concept arise? I'm curious to see how the WG would try to convince the people that it is still a good idea to give pirates such special privileges.

While I still doubt that it's going to happen I consider it likely that this Seven Royal Warlords of the Sea concept will be overthought. Even if they still need such a group for this balance thing they should at least consider filling the spots with something else than pirates (bounty hunters perhaps?). I mean this is a serious politic issue. If the people start losing faith in the WG then it would only play into Dragon's hands. Just my two cents.

[Zik]

The concept of the warlords isn't a problem. The WG were more concerned about the shichibukai's defeat and it becoming public than some of them giving up their status.

That really doesn't hurt the name of the shichibukai. The Gorousei know they're playing with fire and the whole concept is risky but to them they see it as necessary so there's no doubt in my mind it will continue. It might take a while if most of them end up ditching the WG tho.

They might reveal a new shichi some time in the NW.

[Don Quichotte De Flamingo]

@Ivotas:

Why? It's not like the Emperors are a group under the supervision of the World Government. Unlike with the Warlords there's no need for a replacement here.

than why were they even founded?
well, i think they were picked in the end by the WG cause those pirate crews sticked out of the rest and couldn`t be handled by the marines so they were called like that.

and they sure need a replacement..we know that each crew rules over a certaiin part of the NW..so right now the part WB possesed (maybe the most important part..area around raftel) isn`t under control and so we have 3 options.

1)the rest of WB`s crew will rule it when they maybe come back..but without WB–no
2) the other 3 yonkous will fight for it, cause they all want that now open part
3)a yonkou will take the area WB possesed before and a new open "part" in the NW will exist..so other pirate crews could fight for that area,means get the "yonkou" in the end.

@Ivotas:

I'm curious to see how the WG would try to convince the people that it is still a good idea to give pirates such special privileges.

While I still doubt that it's going to happen I consider it likely that this Seven Royal Warlords of the Sea concept will be overthought.

regrouping them again with half new cast would be idiotic..
they saw that half of the shichibukai betrayed them..
croc,BB,jinbei and also hancock just betrayed them and the WG cant believe that other pirates wouldnt do that..
giving them boni just to earn that..well, maybe the WG sees it better to at least have some strong pirates on their side(at least on the paper).

[Ivotas]

@Don:

than why were they even founded?

Who said that they were founded? We have yet to see one of the Emperors to refer to himself as such. So far the term doesn't seem to be anything but a name that others call them.

and they sure need a replacement..we know that each crew rules over a certaiin part of the NW..so right now the part WB possesed (maybe the most important part..area around raftel) isn`t under control and so we have 3 options.

1)the rest of WB`s crew will rule it when they maybe come back..but without WB–no
2) the other 3 yonkous will fight for it, cause they all want that now open part
3)a yonkou will take the area WB possesed before and a new open "part" in the NW will exist..so other pirate crews could fight for that area,means get the "yonkou" in the end.

Option 2 would be one without a replacement wouldn't it? So you've proven your own "they need a replacement" argument wrong already if you consider that a valid option.

regrouping them again with half new cast would be idiotic..
they saw that half of the shichibukai betrayed them..

That's the point. As Zik said, they were always playing with fire. But the thing is that this time they've burned themselves big time. It's not really a situation where you could continue business as usual. I'd be greatly surprised if they wouldn't at least rethink the entire deal.

[Don Quichotte De Flamingo]

@Ivotas:

Who said that they were founded? We have yet to see one of the Emperors to refer to himself as such. So far the term doesn't seem to be anything but a name that others call them.

after all its no institution..they dont earn anything more or less with this title.
so i sure meaned that someone else can reach the status that others call him "yonkou" cause he gained so much fame in the NW…
i also think that the yonkou doesnt give a shit about it cause its like a nickname..if you like it or not.
but i think its likely that some other pirate sure will gain in near future such a status that others will call him the next yonkou.. doesnt depend on the WG(iam not even sure that they created or even want to use the name "yonkou" for them cause its sounds so mighty...the WG never would come up with such a name for their enemies) so after all its just a name the mass of people in the OP-world come up with cause of the status these pirates earned after all and to describe there outstanding position.

Option 2 would be one without a replacement wouldn't it? So you've proven your own "they need a replacement" argument wrong already if you consider that a valid option.

depends if option two is likely..but yeah i admit that "need a replacement" isnt right. its more like they will sure have a new pirate in that status in the future.

That's the point. As Zik said, they were always playing with fire. But the thing is that this time they've burned themselves big time. It's not really a situation where you could continue business as usual. I'd be greatly surprised if they wouldn't at least rethink the entire deal.

another point would be that bringing up new shichibukais right now in the story would be pointless for oda…some would just be faces\names we never heard before and will most likely see never again in the story when those stay on the GL...
would weaken the awesomeness of those charas of the shichibukai we saw up to that point.

[Zik]

@Don:

another point would be that bringing up new shichibukais right now in the story would be pointless for oda…some would just be faces\names we never heard before and will most likely see never again in the story when those stay on the GL...
would weaken the awesomeness of those charas of the shichibukai we saw up to that point.

It wouldn't be pointless at all. WB just told us there's gonna be another war involving the WG/marines. I'm sure they'll call upon the help of the shichibukai.

[Don Quichotte De Flamingo]

@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:

It wouldn't be pointless at all. WB just told us there's gonna be another war involving the WG/marines. I'm sure they'll call upon the help of the shichibukai.

yeah, here youre right, but it wouldnt be the same anymore..
remember how we were introduced time after time to every shichibukai and everyone was unique and awesome.
now we maybe get just a spread where the "new 3 shichibukai" will be shown and maybe one will have to do with the mainstory..rest will just be "fodder" in the end in that war you say…
i dont know but i dont want another pair of shichibukais cause i dont think they will be anywhere near that awesome as theyre right now...would just drop my opinion of shichibukais when we in the end have 15 of them with some just barely introduced in the story.

[Zik]

@Don:

yeah, here youre right, but it wouldnt be the same anymore..
remember how we were introduced time after time to every shichibukai and everyone was unique and awesome.
now we maybe get just a spread where the "new 3 shichibukai" will be shown and maybe one will have to do with the mainstory..rest will just be "fodder" in the end in that war you say…
i dont know but i dont want another pair of shichibukais cause i dont think they will be anywhere near that awesome as theyre right now...would just drop my opinion of shichibukais when we in the end have 15 of them with some just barely introduced in the story.

I feel Oda has 400+ chaps to make the next 3-5 new shichibukai have the same amount of hype and put them on the same level of past shichi. Depending on their motives they can easily show up and play a part big part in the NW. I don't think they'll ever be considered fodder due to their title alone. I do think that after these replacements there won't be anymore.

For all we know we've already heard of or seen the replacements.

It's not like the shichibukai have constantly been changing.

[Ivotas]

@Don:

after all its no institution..they dont earn anything more or less with this title.
so i sure meaned that someone else can reach the status that others call him "yonkou" cause he gained so much fame in the NW…
i also think that the yonkou doesnt give a shit about it cause its like a nickname..if you like it or not.
but i think its likely that some other pirate sure will gain in near future such a status that others will call him the next yonkou.. doesnt depend on the WG(iam not even sure that they created or even want to use the name "yonkou" for them cause its sounds so mighty...the WG never would come up with such a name for their enemies) so after all its just a name the mass of people in the OP-world come up with cause of the status these pirates earned after all and to describe there outstanding position.

Which pretty much means there is no need to replace them. Sure another one might rise and claim everything Whitebeard had (most likely Teach) but that's not a replacement in the terms of "of fuck, Newgate left an open spot, let's find someone to fill it". That's what applies for Warlords. Emperors rise on their own accord.

another point would be that bringing up new shichibukais right now in the story would be pointless for oda…some would just be faces\names we never heard before and will most likely see never again in the story when those stay on the GL...
would weaken the awesomeness of those charas of the shichibukai we saw up to that point.

I don't think that it would weaken the awesomeness of those characters. I do think though that it would hurt the Gorosei's credibility as leaders if they would continue filling the empty spots with yet (an)other pirate(s).

[Don Quichotte De Flamingo]

@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:

I feel Oda has 400+ chaps to make the next 3-5 new shichibukai have the same amount of hype and put them on the same level of past shichi.

well, i don`t deny it that there could be new shichibukai..but in fact it would be better to fill those 400+ chapter with events around the curent shichibukai.there is still much open on them and filling that void will be plenty to do..adding here 3 more shichibukai COULD mean less time on those others.

@Ivotas:

I don't think that it would weaken the awesomeness of those characters. I do think though that it would hurt the Gorosei's credibility as leaders if they would continue filling the empty spots with yet (an)other pirate(s).

both points show us that its better when oda wouldnt replace them .

Which pretty much means there is no need to replace them. Sure another one might rise and claim everything Whitebeard had (most likely Teach) but that's not a replacement in the terms of "of fuck, Newgate left an open spot, let's find someone to fill it". That's what applies for Warlords. Emperors rise on their own accord.

yup, thats also what i think..
but compared with the shichibukai-situation iam here sure that there will be a "replacement"..most likely BB but i also count on the SN`s here.

[Ivotas]

@Don:

both points show us that its better when oda wouldnt replace them.

No, it only shows that replacing them with other pirates would be a bad move. But replacing them with something else (bounty hunters for instance) would be a different case.

[Don Quichotte De Flamingo]

@Ivotas:

No, it only shows that replacing them with other pirates would be a bad move. But replacing them with something else (bounty hunters for instance) would be a different case.

okay i would LOVE to see that actually
but the shichibukai are allowed to be pirates without having trouble with the marines…and they have to share the treasures they gather from other pirates..
why should bounty hunters do that?
i mean they don`t need that the marines leave them alone and also sharing the bounty would be idiotic...so i think when the WG would put bounty hunters in such a position you say, they should found a whole new organisation after all.

btw when..FUCKING WHEN do we finally see some bigname bounty hunters!:getlost: