Next Crew Member Speculation (Ver 3.0)

[AGOG]

@kmohyudin:

@ AGOG (This person inspires me…)

[hide]

First of all, Hi again

Okay so I just got online and saw your post and the thing is I really can't understand why can't Franky just change the door size? I mean I read someone say if it was to be changed, it would have been from the start, another dude said it would take chopper longer to open a larger door so a patient might die etc… But I still don't understand... I just seems so easy for someone like franky to do that...

... it is a quality I guess.

Why are you comparing Sichibukai with the likes of Foxy??

And Moria still has a lot to offer. I mean as a former rival to a Yonkou, you would expect him to be basically in. Sichibukai are part of the three great powers. As long as Yonkou and Marines are in the story, they will be too.

Shame on me for not realizing this.

I agree.

Well he is a Dr. in the sciences of Manga... I don't know...

Thanks for that link, I have already read that, but I took it to mean that romance will never be the MAIN plot device.[/hide]

The idea about that is not concerning how BIG in stature they are, but what importance towards plot they are… Foxy isn't needed anymore, he did his part. Same goes with Moria, he has done all of his part and can even die now. We don't need to see Moria any longer.

The manga clearly foreshadows that the highest chance for the final villain belongs to Blackbeard. Everyone else isn't important and won't be that important... It's needless to have those other characters come in.

About the doors, it's either that the manga is general and same, so for the sake of stability, Oda kept the size in mind when he made the ship.

If he didn't, then he just can't change the exterior of the ship, he can change the interior, but changing the interior would damage the overall specs and performance of the ship, and that'll lead to death. For instance, when NASA constructs space shuttles and such, even if it is a millimeter off, they basically end up firing the person that failed to create it towards the blueprint. The reason is that its not safe at all.

No problem about the link, and Dr Manga sees my point of view concerning Perona, he sees it but he doesn't like it due to his desire for Hancock to join.

[Tupac's Ghost]

@AGOG:

The idea about that is not concerning how BIG in stature they are, but what importance towards plot they are… Foxy isn't needed anymore, he did his part. Same goes with Moria, he has done all of his part and can even die now. We don't need to see Moria any longer.

The manga clearly foreshadows that the highest chance for the final villain belongs to Blackbeard. Everyone else isn't important and won't be that important... It's needless to have those other characters come in.

About the doors, it's either that the manga is general and same, so for the sake of stability, Oda kept the size in mind when he made the ship.

If he didn't, then he just can't change the exterior of the ship, he can change the interior, but changing the interior would damage the overall specs and performance of the ship, and that'll lead to death. For instance, when NASA constructs space shuttles and such, even if it is a millimeter off, they basically end up firing the person that failed to create it towards the blueprint. The reason is that its not safe at all.

No problem about the link, and Dr Manga sees my point of view concerning Perona, he sees it but he doesn't like it due to his desire for Hancock to join.

I like knowing I've gotten you IP banned, and all I had to do was type two sentences and take advantage of you're inability to think straight and analyze a pirate comic book for pre-teens.

[kmohyudin]

@ AGOG

[HIDE]@AGOG:

The idea about that is not concerning how BIG in stature they are, but what importance towards plot they are… Foxy isn't needed anymore, he did his part. Same goes with Moria, he has done all of his part and can even die now. We don't need to see Moria any longer.

In a manga where the main protagonists dream is the become the biggest in stature (i.e. Pirate King) the current big stature characters automatically gain importance towards the plot.

And no… Moria's part isn't done yet, he is alive and kicking. So, we will see him again. He has been established as the gateway to New World as fishmen were to the grand line.

The manga clearly foreshadows that the highest chance for the final villain belongs to Blackbeard. Everyone else isn't important and won't be that important… It's needless to have those other characters come in.

To me there is no biggest villain. No one single character. Maybe WG as a whole, but no Black Beard has been established as the biggest contender for the title of Pirate King for Luffy. Even after that the whole void century aspect will remain so the story won't end.

About the doors, it's either that the manga is general and same, so for the sake of stability, Oda kept the size in mind when he made the ship.

If he didn't, then he just can't change the exterior of the ship, he can change the interior, but changing the interior would damage the overall specs and performance of the ship, and that'll lead to death. For instance, when NASA constructs space shuttles and such, even if it is a millimeter off, they basically end up firing the person that failed to create it towards the blueprint. The reason is that its not safe at all.

You are just not thinking Franky!! If this dude was in the real world NASA would make shuttles powered by cola and going from 0 to the speed of light in 0.001 seconds.

I do understand but here is a thought, since SH were going to Sky Island why didn't the going merry was made in Flying Model??

No problem about the link, and Dr Manga sees my point of view concerning Perona, he sees it but he doesn't like it due to his desire for Hancock to join.

Okay…

Just a thought?? Why are we arguing this stuff instead of Perona or Hancock again?? I think we should start again.

So, my biggest problem with Perona is that her character is childish and irresponsible. Why would she be willing to put her life at stake??

And for Hancock, why was the whole "Love Sickness" thing introduced if it was not to be expanded? What was the purpose??[/HIDE]

[Tupac's Ghost]

durr durr im agog and i cant tell donflamingo and akainu are going to be major antagonists hurrr durr hurrr

[kmohyudin]

@Tupac's:

durr durr im agog and i cant tell donflamingo and akainu are going to be major antagonists hurrr durr hurrr

What goes durr durr hurrr durr hurrr?? I am at a loss

[HaxeyeMihawk]

@kmohyudin:

What goes durr durr hurrr durr hurrr?? I am at a loss

You must really want to get flamed, I mean really bad.

@AGOG
Tupac's Ghost doesn't give a rat's ass about Hancock, but anyone with a brain would know that a character with current plot relevance would have higher chances then your fetish character. And Hancock>Perona by a lot.

[kmohyudin]

@HaxeyeMihawk:

You must really want to get flamed, I mean really bad.

No, I am serious… I don't get the reference, I even looked it up on Google...

[ElementNick]

About the size argument, You can't use any logic w/ OP… its a world that goes against anything in our world.... PPL that eat a fruit gain powers, ppl that get nuked live (Pell). The main character is a freaking rubber man. Franky can change everything on the ship except the Keel being that that is the only part of the ship that is made from the Tree of Adam. The rest can be manipulated. Yes in OUR WORLD changing shapes will cause issues w/ Buoyancy but this is OP.....seriously... there are flying islands, Angels, Fishman, Luffy has pushed apart 2 buildings destroying them. Logic fails in OP all together

[kmohyudin]

@ElementNick:

About the size argument, You can't use any logic w/ OP… its a world that goes against anything in our world.... PPL that eat a fruit gain powers, ppl that get nuked live (Pell). The main character is a freaking rubber man. Franky can change everything on the ship except the Keel being that that is the only part of the ship that is made from the Tree of Adam. The rest can be manipulated. Yes in OUR WORLD changing shapes will cause issues w/ Buoyancy but this is OP.....seriously... there are flying islands, Angels, Fishman, Luffy has pushed apart 2 buildings destroying them. Logic fails in OP all together

This argument doesn't work… its been tried before... I had to come up with a new approach

[Darkstorm]

@kmohyudin:

No, I am serious… I don't get the reference, I even looked it up on Google...

They're english words that in various media only an idiot would use to confirm to the audience that they were idiots.

[AGOG]

! @kmohyudin:
! > In a manga where the main protagonists dream is the become the biggest in stature (i.e. Pirate King) the current big stature characters automatically gain importance towards the plot.

And no… Moria's part isn't done yet, he is alive and kicking. So, we will see him again. He has been established as the gateway to New World as fishmen were to the grand line.
! What purpose will he do in the future, he lost his crew, future, and basically everything else.
! The only way he would be useful to even bring back or show in the NW is if he joins up with BB, Doflamingo, some other pirate or something like that. As an individual, he's not going to do anything anymore.
! > To me there is no biggest villain. No one single character. Maybe WG as a whole, but no Black Beard has been established as the biggest contender for the title of Pirate King for Luffy. Even after that the whole void century aspect will remain so the story won't end.
! BB is probable towards being the final guy Luffy faces, prior to OP ending, you can already see that BB has to face Luffy around the end.
! The problem is what happens after that, Luffy can easily have an ending concerning them heading into the sunset, or his death, or something else… It's totally not needed at all to do something about this.
! > You are just not thinking Franky!! If this dude was in the real world NASA would make shuttles powered by cola and going from 0 to the speed of light in 0.001 seconds.
! Once again, it's not important, this is mankind… You can't expect one of his talent to not know that. Cause he is well aware of things such as this.
! > I do understand but here is a thought, since SH were going to Sky Island why didn't the going merry was made in Flying Model??
! They didn't enlarge the ship, they only added things to the ship, for instance, wings and such, which were balanced…
! It's not like they created a whole new design and put in a new floor on top of the old one, they never did that.
! > Okay…

Just a thought?? Why are we arguing this stuff instead of Perona or Hancock again?? I think we should start again.

So, my biggest problem with Perona is that her character is childish and irresponsible. Why would she be willing to put her life at stake??

And for Hancock, why was the whole "Love Sickness" thing introduced if it was not to be expanded? What was the purpose??
! For Perona: the problem isn't that she's childish and too irresponsible, she's responsible enough to perform duties for Moria for ten years and Hogback did in fact comment on her being reliable before she set off to her room after Nami, Usopp, and Chopper ran away after seeing Oars.
! Yes, I agree that she's CHILDISH as in personality, but that's not a problem. If you look at the current females, we have the mature woman (Robin) and the middle post-teenager woman (Nami), however, we are lacking the younger version of "womanhood" and then we can assume that due to Perona being very young and such, she can fill that void.
! Can any other shown character, minus Caimie, fill that void? No.
! So, her personality and characterization fits the group, since she's basically a female version of Chopper (she's not him, but she acts similar to him…) and we've lost our younger character since Vivi basically stayed behind.
! So, she's basically "acceptable" with her current personality and I feel that changing that and creating a new one will mirror that of Nami and Robin, unless it's similar to Perona.
! Now, the life risking thing, which I planned to do today, is basically annoying to deal with since it's subjunctive.
! Here's some things to ponder:
! * Perona ten years ago, or more, joined Moria somewhere and such, why? She stayed with him for all those years and Moria has been involved in a lot of dangerous things, since he ran the entire TB and basically had to deal with things.

• Perona, she risked her life against Kuma.
• Perona, she risked her life to help Zoro, she could be killed.
• Zoro has his weapons back, she could be dead.
• Perona faced off against 4 SH members, she risked her life against them…
• Same thing with every person she fought since the beginning of TB, as the zombies commented.

! She's DONE them, but it's subjunctive if you want to accept them like that. I don't see the fuss concerning it, it's not that big of a deal…
! When Love Sickness was introduced, it was described as a virus. If you look up the word, it's impossible for "love" to create some disease since love is intangible. However, when you use the literal phrase, Love is able to "lead" towards that... But it's all in their heads, like an illusion. That one confirms that it isn't even serious. Furthermore, the thing that basically had happened which caused death was the refusal of eating, as the lady commented on. She did state "Hancock doesn't want to eat" and such, which suggests that this is all caused by Hancock's own irresponsibility and stupidity. Furthermore, Nyon survived it. Which leads to stating that it's all a figment of their imagination and couldn't even harm a fly.
! So, it's subjunctive if you want to believe in that "virus" being fatal, because I refuse to accept something so obvious as "fatal" when it isn't.

[Urouge]

@ElementNick:

About the size argument, You can't use any logic w/ OP… its a world that goes against anything in our world.... PPL that eat a fruit gain powers, ppl that get nuked live (Pell). The main character is a freaking rubber man. Franky can change everything on the ship except the Keel being that that is the only part of the ship that is made from the Tree of Adam. The rest can be manipulated. Yes in OUR WORLD changing shapes will cause issues w/ Buoyancy but this is OP.....seriously... there are flying islands, Angels, Fishman, Luffy has pushed apart 2 buildings destroying them. Logic fails in OP all together

Your argument will fall on deaf ears. The only person who thinks size is an issue is AGOG, and he doesn't change his mind for anything or anyone. I'm not sure if he doesn't realize that only the door sizes need adjusting for Jinbei to fit everywhere on the ship, or if he thinks that adjusting the door sizes will somehow actually ruin the ship (it always seems to be both and neither at the same time). Either way is baffling, but that's nothing new.

[marito]

Straw Hats need a "heavy drinker" to match Basco Shot.

[Vaayu]

@marito:

Straw Hats need a "heavy drinker" to match Basco Shot.

Zoro? He is addicted to Sake…

[AGOG]

@ElementNick:

About the size argument, You can't use any logic w/ OP… its a world that goes against anything in our world.... PPL that eat a fruit gain powers, ppl that get nuked live (Pell). The main character is a freaking rubber man. Franky can change everything on the ship except the Keel being that that is the only part of the ship that is made from the Tree of Adam. The rest can be manipulated. Yes in OUR WORLD changing shapes will cause issues w/ Buoyancy but this is OP.....seriously... there are flying islands, Angels, Fishman, Luffy has pushed apart 2 buildings destroying them. Logic fails in OP all together

It's a pushover argument, but it's not like OP is beyond the physics of the world…

You "can" have a floating mass of land if the gravity is low enough, the land would merely "orbit" close to the surface and nothing more... You "could" survive an explosion such as that, considering we have species of animals that survive such things and have repopulated areas that were contaminated by the nuclear reactions and bombs that were used. Yet, in only a matter of time, they basically lived on and survived.

It's not just the keel that matters, it'd be the whole Bulk since the entire ship is connected to the keel and if you change some of that stuff, it leads towards exterior changes and the whole design is basically throw out.

The problem with the whole ship is that everything is connected by means of the blueprint, therefore, Franky's dream ship is currently PERFECT and nothing less. It's made to never break and sail forever, as he says. Changing its exterior leads towards "spaces" and "gaps" that will basically lead towards problems. You can't basically expect to make something better by repairing things that are made perfect, it'll never restore to its original quality.

As far as the buildings go, we've had Bible stories where someone did force a building to CRUMBLE with his bare hands. Furthermore, we've gotten man that can basically life 500 lbs and such, considering this, if you exaggerate it enough, technically speaking, there may be the potential to have this happen. Under adrenaline, there's a chance that even a person can basically "split" those buildings. It's happened in the past.

[OneManCollectiblez]

@marito:

Straw Hats need a "heavy drinker" to match Basco Shot.

Nami is teh crews best drinker

[Darkstorm]

Zoro & Nami are pretty much tied.

[Ivotas]

@marito:

Straw Hats need a "heavy drinker" to match Basco Shot.

[AGOG]

I don't think they'll have a binge drinking match…

[TheGodfather]

I've read two posts from this AGOG… and 1. my eyes hurt 2. I'm new and already dislike his arguing style and 3. perona WONT join. quote me, because the funny thing is Crocodile has a better chance.

you know, AGOG, if you didn't post so much 'broken' logic, as well as not acknowledging others opinions/logic, then maybe people would tolerate you.. Maybe

[AGOG]

Good for me… Totally good for me…

[Urouge]

@Darkstorm:

Zoro & Nami are pretty much tied.

Except Zoro refuses to drink beyond the point where he begins to get impaired. Whiskey Peak proved to us that Nami can outdrink him (mostly because of that, probably).

…I can't believe she's not Irish.

[Darkstorm]

The swedes can hold their drink.

[Urouge]

I'm definitely not saying otherwise (I lived in a town with a large Swedish population that loved to drink, so I'm well aware). They're not stereotypically as violent and ornery, though.

[Darkstorm]

Nami seems more cheerful when drinking then not though.

Her violence is while sober. Or is that what you mean?

[Vaayu]

I am waiting for a theory that Perona can drink more! \o/

[Urouge]

@Darkstorm:

Nami seems more cheerful when drinking then not though.

Her violence is while sober. Or is that what you mean?

I suppose you have a point, there.

[Kishido]

@Urouge:

I suppose you have a point, there.

Well Urouge won't be pleased but I reread the shit about 10 nakamas or crew of then once again.

And now I believe we will just get one final nakama and we have a final crew of ten before going to the NW.

Dunno why but someone joining in the NW wouldn't fit

[Darkstorm]

@KiShiDo:

Well Urouge won't be pleased but I reread the shit about 10 nakamas or crew of then once again.

And now I believe we will just get one final nakama and we have a final crew of ten before going to the NW.

Dunno why but someone joining in the NW wouldn't fit

You discount ten + luffy purely because you don't think someone will join in the New World?

[AGOG]

@Vaayu:

I am waiting for a theory that Perona can drink more! \o/

Hot cocoa?

[kmohyudin]

@Darkstorm:

They're english words that in various media only an idiot would use to confirm to the audience that they were idiots.

I see, makes sense. Thanks for the info.

@ AGOG

[hide]Before I start in depth counter argument, I just have to ask you a favor. Can you use headings when arguing with me? Not tags, headings like this

Moria Argument:

So and so…

Would help me a lot. Okay here goes.

What purpose will he do in the future, he lost his crew, future, and basically everything else.

The only way he would be useful to even bring back or show in the NW is if he joins up with BB, Doflamingo, some other pirate or something like that. As an individual, he's not going to do anything anymore.

His "crew" was comprised of Hogback, Absalom and Perona… All other were replaceable zombies... And they are all still alive and for all we know still loyal to him.

What has Moria's purpose been so far on the main plot line?? Except to introduce Kaidou, I can't think of any. As someone who wants to be PK, he still has to show his true purpose.

BB is probable towards being the final guy Luffy faces, prior to OP ending, you can already see that BB has to face Luffy around the end.

The problem is what happens after that, Luffy can easily have an ending concerning them heading into the sunset, or his death, or something else… It's totally not needed at all to do something about this.

Well this is all speculation per speculation… Lets just leave this be.

Once again, it's not important, this is mankind… You can't expect one of his talent to not know that. Cause he is well aware of things such as this.

They didn't enlarge the ship, they only added things to the ship, for instance, wings and such, which were balanced...

The ship is already big enough… just the doors that pose problem in the eyes of some individuals.

It's not like they created a whole new design and put in a new floor on top of the old one, they never did that.

In terms of Physics the extra weight should have been a factor… And as per your NASA argument, they wouldn't allow something like this to be done to their shuttles either.

For Perona: the problem isn't that she's childish and too irresponsible, she's responsible enough to perform duties for Moria for ten years and Hogback did in fact comment on her being reliable before she set off to her room after Nami, Usopp, and Chopper ran away after seeing Oars.

She asked Bearsy to keep quite just because it doesn't look cute, and this provided Nami, Usopp and Chopper an opportunity to escape. Well it doesn't really matter though since its not like the SH are the most responsible crew in the world just look at their Captain… I meant responsible more in the sense of trustworthy and willing to risk her life you address this below so I will just discuss this there.

Yes, I agree that she's CHILDISH as in personality, but that's not a problem. If you look at the current females, we have the mature woman (Robin) and the middle post-teenager woman (Nami), however, we are lacking the younger version of "womanhood" and then we can assume that due to Perona being very young and such, she can fill that void.

Well I didn't mean childish is a good sense, I meant as in irresponsible and again untrustworthy… so just wait for my counter...

Can any other shown character, minus Caimie, fill that void? No.

Marguerite??

So, her personality and characterization fits the group, since she's basically a female version of Chopper (she's not him, but she acts similar to him…) and we've lost our younger character since Vivi basically stayed behind.

She is nothing like Chopper!! She only fights when she thinks she has a shot at winning, otherwise, she just runs like crazy…

So, she's basically "acceptable" with her current personality and I feel that changing that and creating a new one will mirror that of Nami and Robin, unless it's similar to Perona.

Nope, I am still not convinced… She is more of a coward then Usopp and I don't think that as a plus point towards her...

Now, the life risking thing, which I planned to do today, is basically annoying to deal with since it's subjunctive.

Well I think I will be here if you changed your mind…

Here's some things to ponder:

and ponder I did…

Perona ten years ago, or more, joined Moria somewhere and such, why? She stayed with him for all those years and Moria has been involved in a lot of dangerous things, since he ran the entire TB and basically had to deal with things.

I don't know…

Perona, she risked her life against Kuma.

She fought with her under assumption that she will win, she basically thought Usopp was her only weakness…

Perona, she risked her life to help Zoro, she could be killed.

Again she knew he was vulnerable against her Ghosts, she didn't have anything to worry about.

Zoro has his weapons back, she could be dead.

Same as above…

Perona faced off against 4 SH members, she risked her life against them…

Same as above… She ran as soon as she realized she couldn't win.

Same thing with every person she fought since the beginning of TB, as the zombies commented.

Can't be sure about this one but I imagine its the same as above judging by her comment when Usopp emerged un-negative-a-tized after her ghost attack… (Something among the lines of "I never thought anyone could counter my ghosts")

She's DONE them, but it's subjunctive if you want to accept them like that. I don't see the fuss concerning it, it's not that big of a deal…

Okay

When Love Sickness was introduced, it was described as a virus. If you look up the word, it's impossible for "love" to create some disease since love is intangible. However, when you use the literal phrase, Love is able to "lead" towards that… But it's all in their heads, like an illusion. That one confirms that it isn't even serious. Furthermore, the thing that basically had happened which caused death was the refusal of eating, as the lady commented on. She did state "Hancock doesn't want to eat" and such, which suggests that this is all caused by Hancock's own irresponsibility and stupidity. Furthermore, Nyon survived it. Which leads to stating that it's all a figment of their imagination and couldn't even harm a fly.

So, it's subjunctive if you want to believe in that "virus" being fatal, because I refuse to accept something so obvious as "fatal" when it isn't.

I will get back to this is a while[/hide]

[RobinotX]

I still think we get 2 new members just because Brook was called the Eight. So we need two more. Unless Oda is going to make Sunny live :ninja:

[Urouge]

@KiShiDo:

Well Urouge won't be pleased but I reread the shit about 10 nakamas or crew of then once again.

And now I believe we will just get one final nakama and we have a final crew of ten before going to the NW.

Dunno why but someone joining in the NW wouldn't fit

So you think that Oda intended entirely different meanings from Luffy's comment and the chapter titles? That'd be disappointing for even a mediocre writer.

@Darkstorm:

You discount ten + luffy purely because you don't think someone will join in the New World?

He thinks that somehow Luffy was including himself, but the chapters title haven't been. I think I should have just shrugged and given up long ago.

[Kishido]

@Urouge:

So you think that Oda intended entirely different meanings from Luffy's comment and the chapter titles? That'd be disappointing for even a mediocre writer.

He thinks that somehow Luffy was including himself, but the chapters title haven't been. I think I should have just shrugged and given up long ago.

Well just because he said a crew of 10 doesn't mean it has to be till 10th nakama as title.

If I say I want a game with 11 players… and someone joins me... I would say... That's my first player

[Ivotas]

@Urouge:

He thinks that somehow Luffy was including himself, but the chapters title haven't been. I think I should have just shrugged and given up long ago.

What are you talking about, it all makes sense if you only think logically. Once the next person joins Luffy will announce himself as the 10th person. Simple as that.

[Urouge]

@Ivotas:

What are you talking about, it all makes sense if you only think logically. Once the next person joins Luffy will announce himself as the 10th person. Simple as that.

Uh huh. And do you actually believe that will be the case?

[Vaayu]

@RobinotX:

Unless Oda is going to make Sunny live :ninja:

This is more probable than not, IMHO

[Kishido]

Luffy "I want a crew of ten"

9 Luffy nakamas like in the chapter titles + Luffy = 10

But we have to see it. Just my 2 cents about it. You can see it that way or the other but you can't say it is wrong

[kmohyudin]

@KiShiDo:

Luffy "I want a crew of ten"

9 Luffy nakama's like in the chapter titles + Luffy = 10

Good point .

[LeaD]

@TheGodfather:

I was hoping for Crocodile to join, but the contenders are Jinbei and Hancock

I think she's out of the running after this latest chapter.

[Ivotas]

@Urouge:

Uh huh. And do you actually believe that will be the case?

I don't, but surely people who think that the entire crew will consist of ten people must think along those lines if their suggestion has to make sense.

@KiShiDo:

Luffy "I want a crew of ten"

9 Luffy nakamas like in the chapter titles + Luffy = 10

But we have to see it. Just my 2 cents about it. You can see it that way or the other but you can't say it is wrong

He says "I have to find a crew. I want ten people!" Here the ten people clearly refer to the guys he wants to find to make his crew. Hence why the enumeration starts with Zoro as "the first".

[Kishido]

@Ivotas:

I don't, but surely people who think that the entire crew will consist of ten people must think along those lines if their suggestion has to make sense.

He says "I have to find a crew. I want ten people!" The ten people refer to those guys he wants to find hence why the enumeration starts with Zoro as "the first".

he really says it that way?

[kmohyudin]

@LeaD:

I think she's out of the running after this latest chapter.

because she is on marines side of the island??

[TheGodfather]

@LeaD:

I think she's out of the running after this latest chapter.

Nah we will have to wait and see.

And I believe there will be 11 crewmates including Luffy. I see what your saying with 10 including Luffy, but the chapter title when Brook joined was 8, so two more.

[Kishido]

Well because she made no move to run and escape with the others and yeah because she is on the other side of the islan which was splitted in half that no one can reach the escapees

[wolfwood]

@Darkstorm:

The swedes can hold their drink.

I get drunk after 2-3 beers:ninja:

[kmohyudin]

@KiShiDo:

he really says it that way?

I think he says something like "I am looking for a crew… Lets see I think ten would be enough"

Well because she made no move to run and escape with the others and yeah because she is on the other side of the islan which was splitted in half that no one can reach the escapees

But where is Luffy heading now?? And where is Hancock heading?? And her sentence "I am so worried something something luffy etc" makes me think there is more to this still

[Urouge]

@Ivotas:

I don't, but surely people who think that the entire crew will consist of ten people must think along those lines if their suggestion has to make sense.

Well, as much as I wouldn't agree with it, I would have to agree to a remote possibility. However, I don't think that's the argument, here.

@KiShiDo:

Well Urouge won't be pleased but I reread the shit about 10 nakamas or crew of then once again.

@KiShiDo:

he really says it that way?

Wtf man. You didn't reread shit.

@Stephen's:

Luffy: First of all, I have to find a crew.
I want ten people!! (chapter 1)

[Ivotas]

@KiShiDo:

he really says it that way?

Check for yourself if you don't believe me: http://www.mangascreener.com/stephen/onepiece/op-v01c001.txt

Scroll down to the bottom.

[AGOG]

kmohyudin,

! I see, makes sense. Thanks for the info.
! @ AGOG
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! > Before I start in depth counter argument, I just have to ask you a favor. Can you use headings when arguing with me? Not tags, headings like this
! Yeah, sure… If you want that, I can type that up. If you mind, can I just type less and if you don't get my point, just ask me to expand...
! > Moria Argument:

So and so…

Would help me a lot. Okay here goes.
! Alright.
! > His "crew" was comprised of Hogback, Absalom and Perona… All other were replaceable zombies... And they are all still alive and for all we know still loyal to him.
! Yes, however, one of them defected. The other two haven't had any appearance since the chapter 489 or whatever…
! > What has Moria's purpose been so far on the main plot line?? Except to introduce Kaidou, I can't think of any. As someone who wants to be PK, he still has to show his true purpose.
! His purpose was simple:
Moria was a character that FAILED at heading towards the NW, it was clear that Oda had basically stated that Moria was a lot like Luffy now, but he lost it all. So, he foreshadowed that SH crew would have to surpass Moria in order to avoid that fate towards the NW. Moria was used as a plot device that would provide emphasis on the dangers ahead. He was also used to give Luffy more experience and show him of the inability he currently holds.
! By using Moria as an obstacle so early, Oda has effectively shown that to survive early on, Luffy would have to surpass Moria's battle potential. Currently, he hasn't.
! However, when they make it there, since Luffy did succeed, the plot will explain that unlike Moria, Luffy will survive with his crew with him.
! > Well this is all speculation per speculation… Lets just leave this be.

The ship is already big enough... just the doors that pose problem in the eyes of some individuals.
! It's not that, I understand that DOORS can be changed, but there are problems with some of the "ladder" chutes that lead towards the other systems below the ship, looking at those, you'd basically assume that changing that will cause some changes towards the blueprint, which can or cannot have negative effects.
! > In terms of Physics the extra weight should have been a factor… And as per your NASA argument, they wouldn't allow something like this to be done to their shuttles either.
! Yes, still, the result isn't that the ship heads towards a certain destination at a certain extreme rate… It's just that they are "sailing" with slight wing on the sides of the ship and a few design alterations, like adding a rooster to the ram head.
! It's not that big of a deal since it doesn't naturally "have" the same situation... The NASA argument was more extreme. Luffy and group never changed the keel or hulk of the ship, they only added a few things. I do agree the weight did affect the ship, but due to the ship being a ship, it's not as extreme as a shuttle.
! > She asked Bearsy to keep quite just because it doesn't look cute, and this provided Nami, Usopp and Chopper an opportunity to escape. Well it doesn't really matter though since its not like the SH are the most responsible crew in the world just look at their Captain… I meant responsible more in the sense of trustworthy and willing to risk her life you address this below so I will just discuss this there.
! About the Bearsy, it's her looking out for him, she's trying to make him look cute, like a mother telling someone to change their underwear or clothes. She's childish, after all.
Hogback did say she was reliable, which is proof enough.
! > Well I didn't mean childish is a good sense, I meant as in irresponsible and again untrustworthy… so just wait for my counter...
Marguerite??
She is nothing like Chopper!! She only fights when she thinks she has a shot at winning, otherwise, she just runs like crazy...
! You don't get my point.
! Personality:
! * Likes "cute" things a lot.

• Likes some scary and darker things, like spooky islands and such.
• Likes sweets like bagel sandwiches and hot cocoa.
• Likes toys.
• Acts like she's very "in charge" and such… Best word would be bossy, but she's more so using that as a front.
• Very stubborn and childish, as in kiddy.
• Falls for things easily, like Usopp's gags.
• Scared of critters and bugs.
• Etc.

! Things like that seem to suggest her as a very young and youthful woman. She's like Chopper because he is "kiddy" on the outside and serious when its needed, meanwhile, Perona is "acting serious" most of the time, but has the reverse come about. I've yet to see her actually get serious except when her body was in danger and she actually did basically attack as if her life was on the line.
! As far as her being reliable, she's STATED as a fact that she's reliable and Hogback was surprised that the SH crew managed to have people get by her… Therefore, her loyalty isn't in question, nor her reliability since she's stated as fact that she is reliable.
! Everything we saw of her from TB showed us that she is very professional, however, when that whole place went into chaos, Oda showed her as a fragile little girl, which shows that she's got a deep background, who is afraid of things. He turned her more human than others and you could feel for her, but then most people don't...
! > Nope, I am still not convinced… She is more of a coward then Usopp and I don't think that as a plus point towards her...
! She's not more of a coward, she just hasn't been shown with enough panel appearance showing her actually characterization, which isn't bad. You're judging her because of Oars basically appearing and her running away from Usopp when he chased after her… She said so that she was basically "confused" by his inability to take her ability and ran due to that. It's like how Enel first appeared and had such reactions when he fought "rubber" and such, he never expected something like that to happen, so he kept his distance and was cautious. Perona was the same in that sense...
! We don't have enough "proof" to condemn her of being a coward.
! > Well I think I will be here if you changed your mind…
and ponder I did...
I don't know...
She fought with her under assumption that she will win, she basically thought Usopp was her only weakness...
Again she knew he was vulnerable against her Ghosts, she didn't have anything to worry about.
Same as above...
Same as above... She ran as soon as she realized she couldn't win.
Can't be sure about this one but I imagine its the same as above judging by her comment when Usopp emerged un-negative-a-tized after her ghost attack... (Something among the lines of "I never thought anyone could counter my ghosts")
! She was shocked because there was a man that basically lived a lowly life, to her, it's something remarkable. So, she basically felt for him, and she said so herself that she got carried away by his way of life.
! The rest, they don't matter what she did, she still acted upon the chance that someone could kill her and she took them on… rather than run away from him, which says that she's confident and firm in her ability and she did risk her life and stake it on that situation. Even if she had an advantage, she basically stayed rather than hide from Usopp, she returned to continue, rather than escape after seeing him.
! Sure, she's shown as easily intimidated, but she's rebounded from many situations to attempt to fight. She's currently 0-2 in her fights, concerning One on Ones, but she hasn't shown that she's incapable of "risking" her own life since we've never seen her entire history.
! > Okay

I will get back to this is a while
! K…[/hide]