no one is gonna scan camera raw
btw.. can someone add this to first page?
http://i49.tinypic.com/5zpn3p.jpg
wow, do I see a pole 0_0?
wonder what it's about…..................
Chapter 574 "The Death of Portgas D. Ace" Discussion
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@Lee:
I hate that part of me silently saying kudos to Oda for having the guts to kill such a major character who, in my opinion, left too soon.
I wanted to see more of him.
Rest in peace mate.And folks, please stop doubting about Ace's death, you remind me of these guys saying that Sauro may still be alive.
It looks like the religious institutions all over the world will face a heavy run for blessed assistance after this tragedy … rest in peace my friend ... the schnaps from the refrigerator is calling me ... SALUTE ACE!:cwy:
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When I first saw the spoilers I couldn't believe it..So Ace is dead…I cried when looking at the chapter with the translations..and cried again while writing this. My eyes were actually burning from crying. :sad: Garp's reaction is totally understandable, as well as Vista and Marco attacking Akainu along with Jinbei trying to buy time for Ace. And to see Garp and Whitebeard tearing up as well.. :'( I'm going to cry like never before when I see this animated..
I was kind of prepared for this to happen though, as I felt it could turn out either way... I actually thought (before the spoilers leaked out) that Ace might die, since just because Luffy went through so much to save him didn't automatically guarantee Ace's survival; makes it all the more tragic ;__;
I was also somewhat surprised to see Luffy's face in the end as I didn't expect it to be, you know... like that. But it's very fitting. D:
Oh dear, I really have mixed feelings about Akainu now... People are now declaring him as potentially the most hateable character in the series, judging by the amount of hateful comments towards him. For me he started out as an interesting and badass (and hot shot :getlost: ) character, but I do have to admit I found him rather irritating in this chapter. Oda definitely has managed to create another easy-to-hate character here. I will also admit that I still like Akainu in a way, but I can understand the amount of hate he's received in such a short time. This chapter alone was enough to induce so many negative reactions about him from people that I lost count..though not that he wasn't disliked before this. Akainu has gone a "bit" too far with his concept of Absolute Justice. What he did back in Ohara was worse than what he did here, imo. However, I don't think he's going to die anytime soon, because I'm more inclined towards him getting a promotion to the position of Fleet Admiral with Sengoku maybe being demoted to Admiral.
The next chapter is definitely something to look forward to including the whole latter half. One Piece will be different compared to what it was up until now..
But like I said, this chapter was a total tear-jerker for me... while I did think Ace might die, I didn't consider it likely.. :sad:
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rip ace the end to a controversial but epic charcter never thought a manga would make me cry akaniu must die i fell sorry for garp
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Oh dear, I really have mixed feelings about Akainu now… People are now declaring him as potentially the most hateable character in the series, judging by the amount of hateful comments towards him. For me he started out as an interesting and badass (and hot shot :getlost: ) character, but I do have to admit I found him rather irritating in this chapter. Oda definitely has managed to create another easy-to-hate character here. I will also admit that I still like Akainu in a way, but I can understand the amount of hate he's received in such a short time. This chapter alone was enough to induce so many negative reactions about him from people that I lost count..though not that he wasn't disliked before this. Akainu has gone a "bit" too far with his concept of Absolute Justice.
Yep, Kizaru was my most hated Admiral first ever since Shabondy but Akainu really takes the cake here. Plotting, scheming, and taunting, he's a really easy character to detest and I really hope Luffy is going to take him out in the near future.
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I think Luffy has passed out. :(
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Ok, I will admit, I shed manly (not actually) tears when Ace thanked everyone's love. It was really touching see him and Luffy hugging completely exausted, covered in sweat and blood, while Ace used his last strenghts to thank for his life before dying.
Touching, specially because we can feel how much Ace wanted to keep on living :/
Still, I hope Oda has grew the balls to keep the guy dead. If he pulls back the shit he did with Pell… I seriously don't know how pissed I will be.EDIT: Oh, and despite everything, I have to say the last chapters made me really like Akainu. But he still has a lot to grow to surpass Kizaru in my heart.
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I'm not a mod outside spoiler forum, could you add the script to the first post after Steven's? Thanks.
Would love to do so but I'm not a mod here either. :sad:
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Yep, Kizaru was my most hated Admiral first ever since Shabondy but Akainu really takes the cake here. Plotting, scheming, and taunting, he's a really easy character to detest and I really hope Luffy is going to take him out in the near future.
I on the other hand cant hate a character who is portrayed evil, if he backs it up with actions not just words, characters like Buggy and Spandam on the other hand are annyoing to me
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Would love to do so but I'm not a mod here either. :sad:
You are not? Then, why is your name color different?
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i was expecting shirohige to die not ace. i didn't think oda would kill suh a young character. maybe we'll start seeing more deaths now.
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@S.C.:
You are not? Then, why is your name color different?
He means he's not a mod around this part of the forums.
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The way the Whitebeard tattoo is no longer on ace back on the last page really made me just go damn. Oda i would have never seen such a brutal death coming in one piece. We never no what to expect from one piece, from now on. Which makes it that much more awesome.
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Yeah, I didn't even make that connection. But Ace did end up smiling before he died.
The last few pages of this chapter are easily some of Oda's most powerful artworks, to me. Beautifully done.
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Oh yeah! Ace is smiling as a true D. before death. I hope this indicates he really died (I am not an Ace hater, I am a "bringing-back-dead-characters hater")… but until 575, I will be afraid of a chapter called "Gol D. Ace reborn" with the blood of Roger giving Ace a new life as his true son [/yusuke]
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i would expect that Oda revives Ace, this is probably the most dramatic thing Oda has writen so far, but knowing him i think he will fix it with some magic lol. It would be nice if Ace is definitely dead, but i doubt it.
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@.access:
Oh yeah! Ace is smiling as a true D. before death. I hope this indicates he really died (I am not an Ace hater, I am a "bringing-back-dead-characters hater")… but until 575, I will be afraid of a chapter called "Gol D. Ace reborn" with the blood of Roger giving Ace a new life as his true son [/yusuke]
The only way I would accept Oda to bring Ace back to life is to make his corpse a sort of Pacifista, and then eventually making his mind kind of taking back control of his body because of "will of D" stuff while Luffy is forced to fight with him.
And then Px. Ace go on rampage along with luffy and end the Vegapunk saga by destroying everything.
That would be great
venisti remanebis donec denuo completus sis !
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;____; And I wasn't very sympathetic with ace before seeing the scans, Damn you oda ;___________;
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2 days passed and i still couldn't believe it. I hope for a character with a time power, just to turn back time for moments or whatever. i never imagined that a manga could touch me so deep, i'm just too far in the op world i think. This will be a hard week, and maybe a hard year, i'm just speechless
i wonder that sengkok could hold back garp that easy, damn that all sucks
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The only way I would accept Oda to bring Ace back to life is to make his corpse a sort of Pacifista, and then eventually making his mind kind of taking back control of his body because of "will of D" stuff while Luffy is forced to fight with him.
And then Px. Ace go on rampage along with luffy and end the Vegapunk saga by destroying everything.
That would be great
That twist is so weird that it could probably happen.
The WG wouldn't want to waste Ace' body (and his demon's blood) for nothing, so they rebuild him as PX. I'd expect sth like that from that trash government. Revive old enemies and let them fight against their will on the WGs side.BTW I'm not an Akainu hater. I love the badass characters in OP (like Arlong, Croc…) as much as the SHs. Until Luffy sends them flying theres nothing I wish more in the stroy than sending those guys flying. And this is one of many things I like about OP. Oda creates such really powerful badasses, who are hated by so many fans and in the end Luffy (or another SH) sends them flying and the fans are satisfied. Its awesome.
But I have to admit that I really hated Spandam (badass without any power except his stupid sword). I wouldn't count Buggy in the same section as Spandam. -
Still strange than other like pell lived after being blown up by a bomb or striked by mio volts of lightning but Ace being dead after one punch… (Ok it was cruel)...
Dunno why... Oda did magically let the other lives, some of them took even more, and Ace is out...
It isn't that I want Ace to live it is just that cuz of the past it is hard to imagine that someone truly dies, if other people could survive even worse things
And hell no PX shit... this isn't terminator 4 or something like that
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Next chapter Ace will makes amends with his father who will say "Ace it's not time yet. GO and live your life, become the pirate king! I believe in you!"
Ace will by all odds get up and say "Heh…you can't kill me with that small attack...hehe."
Cjapter will end with Ace standing up bleeding with a smile.
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I'm getting sick and tired of this whole "Oda said no one dies in his manga" and Ace returning from dead crap.
If you're gonna site something like an interview, make sure you know exactly what was said!
I'm so tired of this crap, I'm gonna go and translate the damn interview from Playboy Oda interview myself.
I'm sure Greg or someone has done it before, but quick search didn't find it, so I'll do mine.Stay tuned.
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2 days passed and i still couldn't believe it. I hope for a character with a time power, just to turn back time for moments or whatever. i never imagined that a manga could touch me so deep, i'm just too far in the op world i think. This will be a hard week, and maybe a hard year, i'm just speechless
Yeah… I don't care if most of the people here think this is lame or whatever, want Ace back... :( Oda might show up some magic or something, a new devil fruit no one has seen yet, something to exchange one's life to revive a dead, maybe Squardo or someone... But want him back... Because he's a nice character, because this will probably kill Luffy inside... He will never be the same Luffy now... the one who's always laughing, doing stupid things and always thinking about food and musician... Right now, Luffy looks like an empty vase, and I don't like it at all :((
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I'm going to listen to this while reading the chapter. :x
8jlaiPtpRrM
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I'll wait for the next chapter vefore saying the death is 1oo %
I can't believe a magma punch can kill a NW-tier fighter like Ace in an instant. Jinbei didn't die after the punch and WB as well.
We have seen things in OP who should be 100 % death and the people still live their lifes… So dunno.
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I'm getting sick and tired of this whole "Oda said no one dies in his manga" and Ace returning from dead crap.
If you're gonna site something like an interview, make sure you know exactly what was said!
I'm so tired of this crap, I'm gonna go and translate the damn interview from Playboy Oda interview myself.
I'm sure Greg or someone has done it before, but quick search didn't find it, so I'll do mine.Stay tuned.
Do it Aohige!!! You are the best… maybe you can destroy my doubts about this...
It's hard to believe after seing pell and all of skypia still living
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How on earth can we go back to happy-go-lucky comedy now?
This is a massive slap in the face to Luffy and the readers as well.
I'm not sure I want the tone of the series to change, but this is all very exciting, none the less. -
Luffy will eat Aces fruit, and become a paramelogia xD
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I can't believe a magma punch can kill a NW-tier fighter like Ace in an instant. Jinbei didn't die after the punch and WB as well.
ace isn't solid. it burned his organs from inside. on the other hand jinbei (and earlier pops) got hit from outside. Their skins might be burned but their vitals remain intact.
and ace != pell;
no zombie, gara, px, gandalf shit please.
and yes… waiting for that translation
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FFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKK!!! If you can ever get shivers down your spine while reading a Manga chapter, this is freaking it!
I didn't see it coming, I didn't believe Oda would really pull off something this grim and cynical.
But he proved me otherwise. And damn, this is by far the most powerful chapter I have seen.
I think all the miraculous survivals in previous arcs make sense now: Because of the lack of death, Ace's death-scene had the impact of an atomic explosion on me. Fucking feels like my heart was ripped out. DAMMIT, it hurts so good!When the strawhats reunite, Luffy will have the most tragic backstory of them all I guess. @dan2026:
How on earth can we go back to happy-go-lucky comedy now?
This is a massive slap in the face to Luffy and the readers as well.
I'm not sure I want the tone of the series to change, but this is all very exciting, none the less.This is Luffy we are talking about here. Never ever in hell he'll turn into a depressed and emotional wreck. He will grieve, but he will grow stronger of his loss, like all his other crewmates did in the past.
This chapter is definitely one of THE turning points in the series. We will probably get some massive changes. But I trust in Oda, that Luffy will stay Luffy. Maybe he'll start to see the world in more realistic colours, become more stern in certain in certain areas, maybe even struggle against his grief.But it will stay in the spheres of good character development. And in the end he will stay our Luffy. -
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I'll wait for the next chapter vefore saying the death is 1oo %
I can't believe a magma punch can kill a NW-tier fighter like Ace in an instant. Jinbei didn't die after the punch and WB as well.
We have seen things in OP who should be 100 % death and the people still live their lifes… So dunno.
The punch went right through him. It burnt his insides to a crisp.
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It was a gigantic punch made of lava that went through most or all of his vital organs while he was in solid form. How are you not getting this? For gods sake, did you actually look at that last panel?
This isn't some ambiguous off-screen explosion (not defending the Pell fiasco but this is clearly different), he's laying there with a barrel-sized hole in his torso.
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SO OZ IS DEAD …... WB WELL SOON BE DEAD ........ ACE IS DEAD ... AND THINGS ARNT LOOKING UP FOR JAOZ. iS THIS REALLY ONE PIECE IM READING?
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Ace's Vivrecard disappeared. Lola explained that Vivrecards represent the vitality of its original owner. No Vivrecard left, no life.
Pell dissapeared in a atom-like book which should blown him apart and TADDA he is living.
fodder where hit by mio lightning bolts which should kill each cell and tadda they live
Spandam got his spine broken and tadda he is living.
Once again… I would prefer Ace to be dead... but Oda is twisted and we have a cliffhanger with a panel where he is saying he won't die and his mother callim Gol D Ace
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Ace's Vivrecard disappeared. Lola explained that Vivrecards represent the vitality of its original owner. No Vivrecard left, no life.
Don't matter how reasonable you sound, some people will spend the next 10 years in denial.
"hey, i'm not 100% sure yet…maybe Ace will come back for chapter 1000, i dunno..help me here Aohige"
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Pell dissapeared in a atom-like book which should blown him apart and TADDA he is living.
fodder where hit by mio lightning bolts which should kill each cell and tadda they live
Spandam got his spine broken and tadda he is living.
Once again… I would prefer Ace to be dead... but Oda is twisted and we have a cliffhanger with a panel where he is saying he won't die and his mother callim Gol D Ace
Do you really think that Oda would waste this tragic moment just to pull a "got you, he's not dead after all!"? Pell's death was a few pages long, he suddenly appeared, took the bomb and BOOM. This is a WHOLE chapter INCLUSIVE a confirmation in the chapter title PLUS the Vivrecard evidence dedicated to Ace's death. He definetly is dead.
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I'm going to listen to this while reading the chapter. :x
8jlaiPtpRrM
…........... :((((
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Pell dissapeared in a atom-like book which should blown him apart and TADDA he is living.
fodder where hit by mio lightning bolts which should kill each cell and tadda they live
Spandam got his spine broken and tadda he is living.
Once again… I would prefer Ace to be dead... but Oda is twisted and we have a cliffhanger with a panel where he is saying he won't die and his mother callim Gol D Ace
In those situations, we didn't get a chapter title like "The Death of Pell" or "The Death of Spandam", neither did we get an entire chapter and multiple panels of incredible detail displaying the character's death. Not to mention Ace is actually a relevant character.
Give it up, Ace is dead. >_>;
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All of the past injuries have been fatal but characters have come back from the brink of death before. This is different in the sense that this is a punch through the torso the size of a basketball, and any internal organs left are melted for burnt to a crisp. I feel like Oda was merciful to the readers by not drawing a gapping hole in Ace's chest. Ever since the story has gone to Impel Down, One Piece has gotten darker.
Soon to be "IvanKing"
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Pell dissapeared in a atom-like book which should blown him apart and TADDA he is living.
fodder where hit by mio lightning bolts which should kill each cell and tadda they live
Spandam got his spine broken and tadda he is living.
Once again… I would prefer Ace to be dead... but Oda is twisted and we have a cliffhanger with a panel where he is saying he won't die and his mother callim Gol D Ace
As someone said before in fiction if you don't see a dead body you can't be certain if they die or not. With ace we seen the body , got the farewell lines, got flash backs, name of the chapter and vivre card .
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Weekly Playboy Oda Eiichiro interview
2007 Playboy issue 31Interviewer = I
Oda = OI: It's one of the defining characteristcs of One Piece that the protagonists don't die, and they don't kill their opponents either. In other words, people don't come back to life. How come you don't use the character revival plots like other manga?
O: Well, it's unnatural for people to come back to life, don't you think? (laughs) I don't like that type of stereotypical fantasy. That's why I want to have reasons for whatever happens in the manga, but if I have to resort to bringing someone back to life, it's better not to kill them in the first place. That's why my characters don't die, even when they're on the verge of death.
I: In recent years, most of the stories that has tear-inducing, heart wrenching moments basically rely on characters dying. But the tear-jerking scenes in One Piece seems different.
O: I don't think tears from seeing a person dying is a true drama. You know how everyone cries at funeral? (snipped) It's the same. It's not the same type of tears from being moved by a dramatic scene.
(snipped) Just because there's something painful, doesn't mean they cry easily. Even if the situation gets even worse, they still don't cry. Even when the situation gets excruciating, they still won't cry. They bear it, and bear it, and when finally a gentle soul shows up for them, the tears will flow naturally. It can't be held back anymore. That's the type of tears I consider "tears of being strongly moved". And when I draw such scene, I cry myself (laughs).I: Do you think you'll be able to reach the 20th anniversary of serialization?
O: Oh, I don't know about that just yet (laughs). I can't seem to do things as I planned.
For example, I think "this arc will end in 30 chapters", and ends up drawing 90 chapters, which is three times as much as I originally planned. (laughs)
(snipped) I have in my vision, a clear image of the final chapter, ever since I started this manga, and I'm drawing towards that image this whole time.
(the rest of the interview snipped)This is the interview where all these guys in forums and /a/ get their "Oda said he doesn't kill his characters" from.
If you actually read the interview, it's not as rediculous and extreme as what these guys make it out to be.
Not only that, he makes it clear that he doesn't want to kill his characters off precisely because he doesn't think characters should come back to life.Brook is a different story, we premiered as a skeleton, not developed as a character beforehand.
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Luffys expresion is soooo strange. Looks like he is in some kind of painful sleep lol. Someone post a pic of it
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Ah havent read this chapter yet (waiting for trans) but I wish they had given it a bit of a different title cause it has kinda ruined it for me
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I can see how the flash back symbolizes Ace dying as Gol D. Ace, and I can see how people can see Ace's smile as him accepting his own life and death. But going by just what he is saying instead of inferring from literary devices, he realized his dream by finding out that OTHERS accepted him as he was. This acceptance was obvious in life, way before everyone rushed to save him from the execution. He was too blinded by his self doubt to see it fully. In the end he still talked about himself as the "son of a demon", as if he still hasn't fully accepted himself.
Ace doubted his father and his own self worth because of what other people said. In the end he accepted his birth as OK because of what other people did. For his whole life Ace measured himself by other people, and that I think made him all that more tragic as a character.
Luffy on the other hand was very sure of himself and what he is doing. I think that is why, Luffy being the main character aside, even if Ace lived, Luffy will still be more suited to the title of Pirate King.
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This is the interview where all these guys in forums and /a/ get their "Oda said he doesn't kill his characters" from.
If you actually read the interview, it's not as rediculous and extreme as what these guys make it out to be.
Not only that, he makes it clear that he doesn't want to kill his characters off precisely because he doesn't think characters should come back to life.Brook is a different story, we premiered as a skeleton, not developed as a character beforehand.
Thanks a lot for translation.
But Aohigei was thinking of collection all your chapter translations and make one thread. It would be good for reference. Can i do that?
Ah havent read this chapter yet (waiting for trans) but I wish they had given it a bit of a different title cause it has kinda ruined it for me
there are three translations out.
1. by Steave
2. by Cnet
3. by Aohigei
