The place they used for the slums in the movie was already there in Johanasburg. People actually lived in those shanties once.
Why do people hate James Cameron's Avaturd?
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Discrict 9: Ruined by Nigerian mobsters.
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Y'know, there were good matters in District 9 but it wasn't perfect and still had some stupid moments. (and yes I don't see anything wrong with the "Nigerians exploiting the aliens for the weapons" scenario considering they sort of want to manipulate the circumstances for their own purposes…even if it was stupid to have them believe "eating them makes us use their weapons" but I more see that as pure human stupidity/ignorance to the whole Prawn matter)
But regardless, it's still way better than Avatar.
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The Nigerians eating people actually happened in real life. During Apartheid they ate albinos. For what reason I don't know.
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Its a slum its a slum ! Is this even an argument !? Of course a slum where aliens are put in South Africa, is logical and realistic….......
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Gaara are you one of those crazy people who want to live in that movie or something? Its not the best movie of all time or anything. Its ok if people like something else over it.
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@Kairouseki:
During Apartheid they ate albinos. For what reason I don't know.
Think it was just certain parts of the body like an arm or so, that they then crushed into a fine powder and ate. In the cases i've heard about the reason was that it supposedly cured aids.
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Gaara are you one of those crazy people who want to live in that movie or something? Its not the best movie of all time or anything. Its ok if people like something else over it.
Yes and its ok for me to see sth else over it. Anyway the acting didnt touch me…I just wasnt moved by the protagonist"s performance...
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Yes and its ok for me to see sth else over it. Anyway the acting didnt touch me…I just wasnt moved by the protagonist"s performance...
Yet you enjoy the cardboard characters with the shallow acting in Avatar?
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Think it was just certain parts of the body like an arm or so, that they then crushed into a fine powder and ate. In the cases i've heard about the reason was that it supposedly cured aids.
Yeah, it was just certain parts but still. Didn't realize that they ground it into powder though.
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@Thousand:
Yet you enjoy the cardboard characters with the shallow acting in Avatar?
The atmosphaire in avatar was much better, and even if the acting wasnt anything special the 3d overshadowed it.
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District 9, Avatar wasnt a bad movie, but it could be much better and it is overrated.My setiments exactly.
Also it's chances of winning best picture at the oscors just dropped sharpely since it failed to win the DGA for Outstanding Direction of a Feature Film. It has been pointed out, that only 6 times in 60 years has the DGA winner NOT won the Oscar for Best Picture, and in 58 of the last 60 years, the DGA winner went on to win the Oscar for best director.
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The atmosphaire in avatar was much better,
Sooo, you think eye candy is enough to cover for all the more important aspects of a movie?
and even if the acting wasnt anything special
It was crap.
the 3d overshadowed it.
Yeah because looking good is far more important.
Anyway District 9 wasnt a bad movie, but it could be much better and it is overrated.
Says the guy who judges movies for the shiny pictures.
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Just watched Avatar today, and loved it. The story was simple and derivative, but it was really well told. The navi also felt like they could be real people, their facial expressions and such were fantastic.
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@Thousand:
It was crap.
Well the acting in District 9 was worse.
I am not judging movies on whether they are shining or not…The final result in Avatar was great, the District 9 was not that good. End. -
There were only two moments in Avatar that did anything for me emotionally.
! When Jake gets his new body and runs out to feel the ground beneath his toes… and when he's messing with the glowy plantlife that shrinks from his touch, and he goes around playfully making them all shrink.
First scene kinda was wonky because of the sheer rule breaking and insubordination involved… but the second was a genuine moment of discovery and delight. But there should have been a LOT more in the course of a 2.5 hour movie. None of the character stuff really felt like it was there. I understand how Jake earned respect by taking the big dragon, but... not so much how he managed to earn some lovin'.
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Well the acting in District 9 was worse.
Why? Because it was realistic? Because that's the way people would normally react when thrown into such a situation and not in the cheap, dramatized way that Hollywood actors generally perform?
I am not judging movies on whether they are shining or not…
Uh-huh
The atmosphaire in avatar was much better,
the 3d overshadowed it.
Right…
@GaaraofTheDesert:The final result in Avatar was great, the District 9 was not that good. End.
Let's look at the final result shall we?
Acting: crap
Story: A rip off of dancing with smurfs.
Chemistry between actors: Non-existent
Interesting spins to a conventional story line: None
Deep messages: NATURE IS GOOD, PROGRESS IS BAD!!!!
Visuals: Spectacular…if it didn't take ten years.
This movie is nothing but masturbation to CGI effects.
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This movie was nothing really new. I enjoyed it for what it was, and that was another easy to watch story about people crossing boundaries of enemies. It was fun, and I have no need to see it again, because technically I've seen this movie before. Way too many Ferngully scenes, especially with those dozers near the end. Everyone should watch the review by that dude who did the 70 min review of The Phantom Menace.
I'm a dude, and I seriously think this movie could have been a different experience with better fleshed out characters, and if the main character was a woman trying to get to know them. At least that would be different than Dances with Wolves, Ferngully, etc.
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@Thousand:
Why? Because it was realistic? Because that's the way people would normally react when thrown into such a situation and not in the cheap, dramatized way that Hollywood actors generally perform?
Uh-huh
Right…Let's look at the final result shall we?
Acting: crap
Story: A rip off of dancing with smurfs.
Chemistry between actors: Non-existent
Interesting spins to a conventional story line: None
Deep messages: NATURE IS GOOD, PROGRESS IS BAD!!!!
Visuals: Spectacular...if it didn't take ten years.
This movie is nothing but masturbation to CGI effects.
Avatar = Greatly created world, creatures, and universe (even a new language). Great battle. Nice ideas. Reminded some crimes which have been done during history against natives by English and Spanish…maybe you are not familiar with them. Underlined the importance of nature (as an extra). Shown how money are overshadowing human life and rights in every aspect...but NO you keep whining about Smurfs and shit..Just wait till Avatar dominates in the Academy Awards.
District 9. Unrealistic. Huge plot holes...like the one in Boa's ass (Sandersonia's). Crap acting which you keep calling the way people normally react etc etc etc. Avatar was better get over it.
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Avatar = Greatly created world, creatures, and universe (even a new language). Great battle.
So eye candy?
Nice ideas.
Stolen ones.
Reminded some crimes which have been done during history against natives by English and Spanish…maybe you are not familiar with them.
Wow, throwing in a bunch of native people vs colonizers automatically makes it into a super in-depth movie on colonialism.
Underlined the importance of nature (as an extra).
Very shallowly. Humans are bad, nature is good!!!
Shown how every money is overshadowing human life and rights in every aspect…
You have no concept of the term "execution" do you? It's not enough to throw in plot points, you have to handle that shit and turn it into a fine thread of story-telling. Something Avatar failed spectacularly at.
but NO you keep whining about Smurfs and shit..
They're even blue for crying out loud.
@GaaraofTheDesert:Just wait till Avatar dominates in the Academy Awards.
Who cares? Quality/=quantity.
District 9. Inrealistic.
Because blue aliens that have sex with their hair is?
Huge plot holes
I'm not going to go into a debate with you on how Nigerian drug dealers being present in the movie is totally realistic. People better than me have tried and failed to beat it into your head. But do you really wanna fault District Nine for plot holes when Avatar had a totally unnecessary fight that doomed the human race?
…like the one in Boa's ass (Sandersonia's).
Lol, you're clearly at the end of your rope when you come up with dumb lines like this.
Crap acting which you keep calling the way people normally react etc etc etc.
I'm amazed that you think District 9 acting is crap yet you like that cheap acting and portrayal of shallow characters that Avatar has. Did the pretty pictures fool you THAT much?
Avatar was better get over it.
Says the butt-hurt little child you can barely hold back his tears as everyone gangs up on him and his favorite new crappy movie.
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Its a slum its a slum ! Is this even an argument !? Of course a slum where aliens are put in South Africa, is logical and realistic….......
Avatar: The pinnacle of logic and realism
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Avatar: The pinnacle of logic and realism
It didnt even try to be proven that way.
Another plot hole I remembered in D9…..the protagonist after being infected by the Alien DNA and being the Most Wanted man and the most expensive man on earth, is taking walks in and outside Cape Town. District 9 which is the most suspicious place to look for him is being searched after hours and there is no word on satellite or anything like that. -
It didnt even try to be proven that way.
Another plot hole I remembered in D9…..the protagonist after being infected by the Alien DNA and being the Most Wanted man and the most expensive man on earth, is taking walks in and outside Cape Town. District 9 which is the most suspicious place to look for him is being searched after hours and there is no word on satellite or anything like that.As someone who lived in Johannesburg for two years, I can say that you are trying to find a fault in logic where there is none. By the way, that's the city where the movie takes place.
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@Thousand:
So eye candy?
Stolen ones.
Wow, throwing in a bunch of native people vs colonizers automatically makes it into a super in-depth movie on colonialism.
Very shallowly. Humans are bad, nature is good!!!
You have no concept of the term "execution" do you? It's not enough to throw in plot points, you have to handle that shit and turn it into a fine thread of story-telling. Something Avatar failed spectacularly at.
They're even blue for crying out loud.
Who cares? Quality/=quantity.
Because blue aliens that have sex with their hair is?
I'm not going to go into a debate with you on how Nigerian drug dealers being present in the movie is totally realistic. People better than me have tried and failed to beat it into your head. But do you really wanna fault District Nine for plot holes when Avatar had a totally unnecessary fight that doomed the human race?
Lol, you're clearly at the end of your rope when you come up with dumb lines like this.
I'm amazed that you think District 9 acting is crap yet you like that cheap acting and portrayal of shallow characters that Avatar has. Did the pretty pictures fool you THAT much?
Says the butt-hurt little child you can barely hold back his tears as everyone gangs up on him and his favorite new crappy movie.
I believe that the execution was great, at least for my standards, yeah acting wasnt much needed in Avatar cause the 3d animation didnt require it much, but it was still better than D9, just compare the 2 mercenaries antagonists.
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@Thousand:
But do you really wanna fault District Nine for plot holes when Avatar had a totally unnecessary fight that doomed the human race?
To be fair, for 99.9 % of the movie we didn't know Earth was doomed, we thought it was all greed, so it was okay to root for the blue people. It wasn't until the last second monolouge that we got "dying world", which may have just been descriptive imagry in comparison to the lush and vastly interconnected Pandora.
Otherwise, the evil general REALLY should have said something about it being Earth's last hope, or… something. because that totally didn't come across as a motivator.
Because then we'd feel all wierd and torn and not know who to root for. SOO much easier to have villains that are just pure evil for the fun of it.
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As someone who lived in Johannesburg for two years, I can say that you are trying to find a fault in logic where there is none. By the way, that's the city where the movie takes place.
Maybe you are trying to look over that fault, the guy was the most wanted man on earth for godsake ! and he even invaded a goverment facility..(it doesnt matter that he had a super alien weapon)
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Maybe you are trying to look over that fault, the guy was the most wanted man on earth for godsake ! and he even invaded a goverment facility..(it doesnt matter that he had a super alien weapon)
You obviously don't know how easy it is for criminals to hide in the shanties is S.A. The common person on the streets wouldn't recognize him, no matter what. It may have been one of the weaker parts of the movie, but the portrayal of the country was pretty spot on. Right down to the individual actors (brilliantly done, I might add). You're looking at it all from an uninformed perspective, so it's more amusing to look at our proclamations than anything else.
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I believe that the execution was great
How is a completely black and white picture of humans being absolute dirtbags and how nature is far more important than progress or even humanity remotely proper executing of a story?
at least for my standards,
Your standards clearly aren't set by quality of story seeing as District 9 far outdid Avatar in getting across its message of "racism is bad". What's funny is both movies kind of had the same plot with main protagonists entering into a new society and slowly integrate themselves within it. While District 9 added more into the story however, Avatar didn't even attempt to break new ground and handled awfully the cliche aspects that it did.
yeah acting wasnt much needed in Avatar cause the 3d animation didnt require it much,
You're just flat out admitting that the acting sucked but you don't care because it looked good. Bitch, you're done. Anything else you say will be invalidated from now on.
but it was still better than D9, just compare the 2 mercenaries antagonists.
You really must have a completely alien way of judging things because the district 9 mercenary was far better in both acting and character in general. Oh wait, that bit of yours came AFTER you admitted you don't give a shit about anything outside visual effects. So of course you can't judge characters or acting.
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Hey. Gaara. Lion-Chan.
It was amusing for a bit, but you've both made your points. One of you liked one movie and hated the other, and then vice-versa for the other person.
You've argued enough, cut it out.
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@robbybedfart:
Hey. Gaara. Lion-Chan.
It was amusing for a bit, but you've both made your points. One of you liked one movie and hated the other, and then vice-versa for the other person.
You've argued enough, cut it out.
Hey now, I said he was done. Nothing more to be said.
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i think district 9 is a better version of this movie
a fan of plinkett?
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its not really a review…more of a critique...
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The fact that Avatar was technically perfect, doesnt make it worse in other aspects. Of course acting wasnt anything great but I still think it was better than D9's. Thats all, I will end this for now..You can check the critics' scores, IMDB and anything else you want which will probably prove to that you are one of the few guys who felt that Avatar was awfully handled. Sth else did you watch the movie in theatres or just you got some torrent ? cause the 3d cinema experience made it much better.
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Y'know, it's kinda sad that I'll only remember this flick for one person..
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The fact that Avatar was technically perfect, doesnt make it worse in other aspects. Of course acting wasnt anything great but I still think it was better than D9's. Thats all, I will end this for now..You can check the critics' scores, IMDB and anything else you want which will probably prove to that you are one of the few guys who felt that Avatar was awfully handled. Sth else did you watch the movie in theatres or just you got some torrent ? cause the 3d cinema experience made it much better.
While it's one out of a sample, District 9 was reviewed better. http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/district_9/
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/avatar/Yahoo movies has them both at an aggregate of A-. It's back and forth. Even with the 3D (which is kind of annoying if you're stuck with a bad seat), I would say watching Tron was more of an experience.
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@robbybedfart:
There were only two moments in Avatar that did anything for me emotionally.
! When Jake gets his new body and runs out to feel the ground beneath his toes… and when he's messing with the glowy plantlife that shrinks from his touch, and he goes around playfully making them all shrink.
First scene kinda was wonky because of the sheer rule breaking and insubordination involved… but the second was a genuine moment of discovery and delight. But there should have been a LOT more in the course of a 2.5 hour movie. None of the character stuff really felt like it was there. I understand how Jake earned respect by taking the big dragon, but... not so much how he managed to earn some lovin'.
I agree with this wholeheartedly.
It's not that Avatar was terrible, anyways. It's just people like Gaara here that ruin movies in general for everyone else by considering stuff like this better than, well, anything that makes producers want to make more of it. I genuinely had a fun time watching Avatar, but it'd be hard for me to say anything positive about it beyond that; it's the worst movie I saw of 2009. But with all this support, this kind of shit is what's getting all the budgets. What a shame.
By the way, I can't believe you guys are still even bothering with Gaara. His arguments are so pathetic I thought he was trolling you for a while but now I realize that he's just…yeah.
District 9 was good. Got more generic as it went on, but certainly one of the better sci-fi movies I've seen in a few years.
Oh, and one last thing about Avatar: they even stole the Jake Sully twin thing sub-plot from Gundam 00. I doubt it was intentional but the same thing happens in 00 which came out a few years ago with the whole twin brother dying and getting replaced because of identical DNA functioning with the machine.
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I's gonn' go look a' them internets reevoos fo' to proov ma point!
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Agree to disagree.
But yea D9 was waaaaaaaaaay better than Avatar. It presented a what if story that was really good.
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@robbybedfart:
Hey. Gaara. Lion-Chan.
It was amusing for a bit, but you've both made your points. One of you liked one movie and hated the other, and then vice-versa for the other person.
You've argued enough, cut it out.
This sounds familiar.
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@The:
My sediments exactly.
I just found this more amusing than the arguments in the thread.
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I saw Avatar in 3D. I actually liked it, but there is no way in hell that it's even close to being a better movie than District 9.
Shit, they're not even on the same level.
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Y'know, it's kinda sad that I'll only remember this flick for one person..
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Yes. She was awesome.
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Michelle Rodriguez is ALWAYS awesome.
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People are talking about avatar chiches as if D9 had less. The whole final scene where Cristopher goes to his planet is just full of them…not to mention the characters.
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Well for people who want to see District 9 and Avatar have their be-all and end-all bloody showdown to the death…well it may not be until the nominations for the Saturn Awards are out but for the moment we have both up for Best Picture at the Oscars. (where all they can do is cancel each other out while something else wins...heck, seeing D9 and Avatar cancel each out would be hilarious)
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Wrath of Khan is the better movie.
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Undiscovered country.
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Undiscovered country is pretty good and a great farewell to the cast, (excluding the movies they were in after and TNG…) but Khan works as a movie all by itself, you could know nothing at all about Trek and its still a solid movie that deals with growing old, friendship, betrayal, and sacrifice.
Voyage Home was decent too, but it was wholly dependant on the two previous movies, and was more a lightweight comedy than a dramatic endevour.
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Dinner table scene makes the film for me, and is one of the reasons why it's my favourite. Can't go wrong with a Shakespeare quoting villain either.
Khan is very good though.