I wonder how long it will take for someone to compare Whitebeard to Jesus and Squardo as Judas?
First thing I thought when I saw the tear in WB's eye
I wonder how long it will take for someone to compare Whitebeard to Jesus and Squardo as Judas?
First thing I thought when I saw the tear in WB's eye
Hmm, it would be ironic if WB dies. We've all been waiting to see WB have a major fight for two months and now he gets cut down by a random minor character?
Hmm, it would be ironic if WB dies. We've all been waiting to see WB have a major fight for two months and now he gets cut down by a random minor character?
It would be anti-climactic and awful. Luckily we know that stab didn't even faze Whitebeard.
I wonder how long it will take for someone to compare Whitebeard to Jesus and Squardo as Judas.
A drawing replication of Da Vinci's Last Supper with the Whitebeard crew has to be made asap.
well too bad he ain't a commander would make more sense. but what is there counting jesus and mary 13 people in the picture. so jesus his 11 desciples and mary. (well he had way more than that for desciples but those most well known)
how many commanders are there? 12? or is there only 11 since BB killed one and not replaced yet? is whitebeard gonna die for Ace's sin, lol. Lets hope he don't pull a brook and rise 3 days later. his hot nurses will be checking on his grave and he will be gone.
Hmm, it would be ironic if WB dies. We've all been waiting to see WB have a major fight for two months and now he gets cut down by a random minor character?
Not gonna happen. Everyone wants to see Whitebeard enter the battlefield and unleash hell upon everyone who gets in his way…maybe even pwning an Admiral or 2. Plus Blackbeard vs Whitebeard is a battle written in the stars, it has to happen & will.
Kizaru stands no chance. He may be powerful, but He-Man has the power.
Tbh Julius Caesar is probably closer than the Jesus comparison.. he got (back)stabbed by his son aswell in the famous "et tu brute"
Read the chapter. Awesome! Buggy blocks the broadcast and the PX Army attacks. Every step of the way I keep getting more curious as what's to happen.
Whitebeard may have been stabbed, but I seriously doubt, along with some of you, that he is going down.
But, at this point, I really don't know who will win.
one word….. no wait two words Donquixote Doflamingo
I wonder how Croc will react to this! o3o Maaan the next chapter seems sooo far away~
I doubt Flamingo was controlling him. He is busy with Crocodile.
Squardo's actions before he stabbed Whitey were clearly his. The way he is talking to WB along with taking his sword out while his back is turned to Whitey, are all actions that don't want to alert WB of his plan. He was a traitor. It wouldn't be strange at all if Blackbeard had made some allies before leaving WB's crew or if the Marines planted a spy inside the crew.
Buggy killed me in this chapter :'D Poor Sengoku! His hair will turn white before this is over! xD Hahaha!
i was surprised out of all the possibilities squardo was white beards son
Damn can't wait for next chapter
Tbh Julius Caesar is probably closer than the Jesus comparison.. he got (back)stabbed by his son aswell in the famous "et tu brute"
No, the correct Caesar's quote is Tu quoque, Brute, fili mi?
The real funny thing is… Now everyone will go after Squado... Hell even Croc and maybe some others
these chapters are my favorite cause no other anime has wars that actually show the fighting but edward doesnt seem to be hurting by the katana shoved through his gut
It's FLAMINGO, WHITEBEARD!! IT'S A TRAP
It wouldn't be strange at all if Blackbeard had made some allies before leaving WB's crew or if the Marines planted a spy inside the crew.
Except Squardo isn't part of WB's crew… :ninja:
This chapter felt... too short. Too much Pacifista-boom-boom.
Buggy will be world-known now. xD
Vista did surprisingly good. (Or Failhawk did bad, lol)
I'll only say one thing about the WB-stabbing-thing until nest week: Damn that's one big sword.
No, the correct Caesar's quote is Tu quoque, Brute, fili mi?
No, that's just a less popular variant.
Except Squardo isn't part of WB's crew… :ninja:
This chapter felt... too short. Too much Pacifista-boom-boom.
Buggy will be world-known now. xD
Vista did surprisingly good. (Or Failhawk did bad, lol)I'll only say one thing about the WB-stabbing-thing until nest week: Damn that's one big sword.
But he still was in the allies of the WB pirates wasn't he? And called Whitey Daddeh~ I just put 'em all together, allies and crew, 'cause I am a lazy ass:ninja: My point is that he was acting on his own accord and is probably with the BB pirates or the WG IMO…
Or he just wants to be the one to kill the strongest man in da world. Or he is just bat-shit insane.
whitebeard :(
I hope this is a double crossed act planned by him :)
That'd be weird and really unexpected.
Not sure if this has been tossed out there before… but where does Dragon stand in all of this? If you are looking to start a revolution, then having the WG heavily weakened and WB wiped out in the same move has gotta be a benefit.
I have no idea where Oda wants to go with all of that but the logic move for a revolutionist (who's usually is to bring the government down) would be for Dragon to invade Mariejoa right now since it most probably won't have the backup of the Marine HQ to protect themselves. If the Gorosei are taken down practically the entire WG is done for (unless of course Oda is keeping a large and important part of the WG's organisation in the shadows). But basically revolutions are usually successful if you take care of the top leaders of the current government. So yeah, if the Gorosei fall even with Sengoku and everyone surviving they would have lost in the end.
No, that's just a less popular variant.
NOOOOOO!!! Don't tell me that!!!! Years of learning latin are going to the trash!!!!! :cwy::cwy::cwy::cwy:
shmexy chapter,….....
The "et tu Brute" line. That line is what the modern English translation is, right? What's the original line (that is using Shakespeare era English?) It's possible you both could be right.
@Shaman:
i was surprised out of all the possibilities squardo was white beards son
Is this a joke?
Anyway, all but one commander has been revealed and I'm pretty confident I know who it is.
GREEN are revealed division commanders
BLUE is obviously one since he appears with his picture beside 4 other commanders
RED is who I think is the last one. He's arguably the most focused on character in a set of panels featuring 7 confirmed (and 1 pretty much confirmed) division commanders. He looks like a boss.
To hide something, use the word hide instead of hidden.
I have no idea where Oda wants to go with all of that but the logic move for a revolutionist (who's usually is to bring the government down) would be for Dragon to invade Mariejoa right now since it most probably won't have the backup of the Marine HQ to protect themselves. If the Gorosei are taken down practically the entire WG is done for (unless of course Oda is keeping a large and important part of the WG's organisation in the shadows). But basically revolutions are usually successful if you take care of the top leaders of the current government. So yeah, if the Gorosei fall even with Sengoku and everyone surviving they would have lost in the end.
That would be way too anti-climactic. The gourousei can only go down after we know of the true history. Mariejoa is probably well protected (or hard to sneak into uninvited) anyway. I think the revolutionaries are freeing more islands now that most of the marine force is in Marinford.
@NANLIT:
The "et tu Brute" line. That line is what the modern English translation is, right? What's the original line (that is using Shakespeare era English?) It's possible you both could be right.
It is the one I learned in high school latin class and also what I see used here and there as a reference, I know there are other translations (having to do with greek) but I never really heard of them anywhere.
@ctarlong910:
RED is who I think is the last one. He's arguably the most focused on character in a set of panels featuring 7 confirmed (and 1 pretty much confirmed) division commanders. He looks like a boss.
You might be right.. and that's a huge ball and chain he has there I wonder what he is gonna do with it, strangle WB perhaps.. (j/k )
One-dimensional doesn't mean you can't be smart. This is off topic so we can discuss this somewhere else.
As for the Croc stuff… I believe you misunderstand what my issue is.
Simply put. If Squardo really has delivered a successful and critical attack on WB, I wanted some more development on this character and why said character was capable of successfully pulling off said attack.
It's offtopic so I'll just say this: You made a point to mention that "Oda waited till the middle of the fight with Luffy to say, 'OH!, btw, here's what makes Lucci the devious mind he really is.'" And I replied by showing many other examples that showed that before that flashback. As for Squardo, I understand your meaning but at the same time you're underestimating the sheer significance of what we're told about Squardo from the scene of WB wanting to hand the authority over the fleet to him.
Basically, one can assume that WB and the other Yonkou are likely allied with the strongest pirate crews in the NW. So for WB to hand over the commanding position to Squardo implies that not only has he earned WB's trust as you said but also that he is probably not only incredibly strong but also highly intelligent and strategical (coincidentally those also make good villain qualities). This is simply because you wouldn't put command of the fleet of incredibly powerful pirates under a weakling (no Buggy factor here) and you wouldn't put it in the hands of a dummy either considering how important this operation is and considering how WB's commands saved the fleet from getting routed in the middle of the bay, so it's definitely more than a figurehead position.
Same as previously. We met this guy a few chapters ago. Oh yeah, btw, this particular NW Captain has been plotting against WB for years, laying wait, and now has finally taken his chance to take the old man out. Brilliant!
The fact that he's WB's go to guy means that he has earned WB's trust. Why does WB trust him with this responsibility? What made Squardo betray this trust. Wait, who's Squardo?
"Why does WB trust Squardo?" Answer: Because he's probably the strongest and smartest of the allied NW captains and because he's allied with WB they obviously have a history. "What made Squardo betray this trust?" Answer: We'll find out soon enough but you know that.
Now as I said I know what you're getting at, you just wish that there were more early examples to build Squardo up, maybe you desired flashbacks.
Well I'm saying that that one scene of WB handing over command to Squardo says a lot about Squardo to build him up, almost in a similar fashion to how WB and Mihawk had significant build up and hype just from their respective titles of World strongest man and the World's strongest swordsman, the expectations were apparent even before WB or Mihawk fought anyone, all due to the title.
So for Squardo to be the guy that WB puts in charge after him and considering all that entails, it says a hell of a lot. It's for all intents and purposes is saying that Squardo is the smartest and strongest NW captain on the pirates side, because those would be the prerequisites of anyone who would be put in charge of not only other NW pirates but of their captains as well.
In that one scene Oda pretty much told us significant information about Squardo and kept with focused and concise pacing that he has established in this war arc through avoidance of long drawn out fights in favor of brief skirmishes (not Bleach fights for sure), as well as with focused flashbacks that only last a few pages and those are only in chapters about the one character that the chapter is focused on. Not only did that scene imply through subtext that Squardo is the top dog of the NW captains but it also told us that something was amiss because he was noted to be absent.
Then the points that one could assume through the subtext of that particular scene were driven home when Squardo actually stabbed WB, because he showed his intelligent/devious nature in how he played WB through his talk which allowed him to get close to WB, but also his power considering that even the element of surprise isn't a guaranteed free hit when it comes to WB.
This war is all about subtext and foreshadowing, all the little details that can be easily ignored or missed if a chapter is read too quickly.
I feel as though you're responding to someone else other than me. Maybe you've had discussions with other members about this topic and you just have stuff to say. I never said this was the end of WB, I never once mentioned this being a fatal blow. I said critical and I also said if. I even said that I expected WB to smack Squardo at the start of the next chapter.
I did discuss it before but I responded that way to you because you said, "All in all, I'd like to see what the strongest man can do, and I just hope this "stabbing" isn't a coup out to make us wonder just how "strong" WB would have been if he had not been injured." To which I just said that the cop out probably came before the stabbing considering that WB was shown to be hooked to IVs ages ago, and that must mean something, but at the same time it's not a cop out like how Kishi made Itachi sick from a random disease in his fight with Sasuke. The illness and a not so in his prime WB just would show that his era is passed and that yeah he's not as strong as he used to be, could the stabbing add to this by further diminishing his strength? Yes, but the main point of the stabbing I think was to show that not everything is so peachy on the pirate's side possibly even setting up Squardo as a villain if he survives, or adding intrigue if he was a spy for someone else or to bring up an issue of stability among the pirates because if WB's go to guy (probably the strongest, smartest most trustable among the NW pirate captains) can pull an Et tu Brutus what does that say about anyone else in the fleet who supposedly can be trusted.
All of which are reasonable theories based of the possible implications of the scene.
I really hope Whitebeard Earthquakes that Squardo bastard's heard very hard! Buggy will .be OP's Mister Satan and Pwngoat will crush everyone
I wonder how many of those 157 still believe that the WB alliance is going to win. http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=18218
I really hope Whitebeard Earthquakes that Squardo bastard's heard very hard! Buggy will .be OP's Mister Satan and Pwngoat will crush everyone
it's doflamingo squado is being used…. well actually i have no idea but that would be an interesting twist
it's doflamingo squado is being used…. well actually i have no idea but that would be an interesting twist
Sort of expecting that.
How the hell can Dofla control Squardo ? Squardo wasnt appearing a while back. Now he appeared and he said some weird stuff… Doflamingo cant control the way Squardo talks so obviously Squardo would have told him about it.
How the hell can Dofla control Squardo ? Squardo wasnt appearing a while back. Now he appeared and he said some weird stuff… Doflamingo cant control the way Squardo talks so obviously Squardo would have told him about it.
don't ruin my theory…. your just like all the others saying shit like that could never happen, have you listened to yourself lately, Your a dumb ass choperman, well you know what men have the right to dream so.... so... there.... no i am not crying it's just raining.... in my house.... I HATE YOU ALL!!!!!!! :cwy:
i can't wait till Buggy can use King's Disposition Haki in every proton of his body…
he'd do the Magneto-escapes-from-plastic-prison-and-balls-through-everyone to anyone standing within a 5m radius to him.
WB would be even more screwed when he plans to hug him for defeating the lot.
The "et tu Brute" line. That line is what the modern English translation is, right? What's the original line (that is using Shakespeare era English?) It's possible you both could be right.
Not Shakespearean, but Latin, "Et tu, Brutus" "You too, Brutus" is what Caesar allegedly said to Brutus, the dude who stabbed him in the back. I know of it from Asterix books. @GaaraofTheDesert:
How the hell can Dofla control Squardo ? Squardo wasnt appearing a while back. Now he appeared and he said some weird stuff… Doflamingo cant control the way Squardo talks so obviously Squardo would have told him about it.
But it is possible that DoFlamingo attaches his strings on him and didn't control him, until the right moment, to everybody's surprise, inculding his.
But I agree that his behaviour and approach towards Whitebeard was somewhat strange and foreshadowing.
How can you all like WB and hate Squadro, when you barely know either?
I hope Squadro twists his sword and ends WB denying BB, Croc et all the other b.s. characters the chance to kill him.
Squadro could have an orphanage on his ship, and his crew could donate their blood to sick leukemia patients. The crew could also be doctors healing all other ships including their enemies, and now with them dead, the orphans will have no one to look after them, and will die from leukemia and no one will be able to heal the casualties of the war.
So how about THAT? WB is a selfish creep, he should have let that arrogant prick Ace to die.
Looking at that last page, I'm conflicted when it comes to Whitebeard's facial expression. Those eyes say either "What the fuck are you doing you pathetic insect…do you not see these scars?" or "God damn I'm too old for this shit..." and he falls to the ground. I think the latter may be entirely possible from the sweat we see on his face.
Then again, he could also just be completely shocked at the betrayal and his expression is showing it. I have a feeling this is most likely. This is the strongest man in the world we're talking here, and those three clearly larger scars on his chest aren't for decoration.
Or maybe Doflamingo made Squardo do it and Whitebeard is done for. Hell if I know.
I may be the only one, but i wouldnt care if we didnt see the crew again for 35 more chapters.
That is if Oda can keep up this stream of awesomeness.
moreover, the longer the crew will be missing, the greater will be the pleasure of finding them.
Seems that the saying tha geko Moria KOed by a single Jinbei`s hit has finaly come to an end.
So how about THAT? WB is a selfish creep, he should have let that arrogant prick Ace to die.
If history has taught us anything it is to never trust a man with neat upper lip hair.
I hope all the people trying to say that Whitebeard is going to get away from this with some tiny wound die painfully, the premise is utterly insane.
That would be way too anti-climactic. The gourousei can only go down after we know of the true history. Mariejoa is probably well protected (or hard to sneak into uninvited) anyway. I think the revolutionaries are freeing more islands now that most of the marine force is in Marinford.
Of course it would be anticlimatic which is why I doubt we will see it happening. But logic dictates that this is the best move for a revolutionist to do (if he has the necessary fighting force to successfully invade Mariejoa). A revolutionists goal is to defeat the top of the current government. And this top is currently lacking a large part of its fighting force to protect itself. And good chess player would strike at the king now instead of taking out further pawns. But as already stated, it would be anticlimatic. So I hope that Oda will provide a good explenation why Dragon moves to keep the WG's downfall postponed until the final of the series. Because that one could be a bit tricky considering the current situation. Let's hope he doesn't disappoint.
I hope all the people trying to say that Whitebeard is going to get away from this with some tiny wound die painfully, the premise is utterly insane.
not really when you think of oh i don't know
garp slashed with axe and didn't even notice
zoro vs mr. 1
giant bird man at center of explosion that should have killed millions lives
zoro in pool of blood after encounter with kuma
@Al!naJames:
Franky's next upgrade? :happy:
"Surpersonic coup de vent!" @Thousand:
It would be anti-climactic and awful. Luckily we know that stab didn't even faze Whitebeard.
still, it would be suicidal for Squardo, stabing WB like that if it wasn't that effective… :wassat: It's not like he doesn't know how strong WB is.
This is probably way off, but did anyone notice?
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/432/07/
The fourth Yonkou has a mark on his forehead you can't quite make out. It actually looks sort of similar to Squardo's spider mark:
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/562/15/
Coincidence?
not really when you think of oh i don't know
garp slashed with axe and didn't even notice
zoro vs mr. 1
giant bird man at center of explosion that should have killed millions lives
zoro in pool of blood after encounter with kuma
Don't even try to go into the details of the injury, the fact that Oda devoted a double page spread at the end of a chapter, as well as using those several dramatic inverted reaction shots, pretty much confirms this isn't going to be something he can just shrug off.