Akainu did the right thing in the name of justice. Someone on that ship could be a historian fucker…That ship had to be eliminated for the common good.
Akainu/Sakazuki Discussion
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Akainu did the right thing in the name of justice. Someone on that ship could be a historian fucker…That ship had to be eliminated for the common good.
Lol.
Those historian fuckers!!!
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Honestly, I'm glad those annoying little fuckers got sunk. Sakazuki is awesome.
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Akainu did whatever he did in order to complete his mission. Nothing to accuse him for…
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Akainu did whatever he did in order to complete his mission. Nothing to accuse him for…
Akainu is Solid Snake.
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Akainu did whatever he did in order to complete his mission. Nothing to accuse him for…
Actually, he went outside his mission boundaries.
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Akainu is Danzou:ninja:.
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Akainu is Danzou:ninja:.
Ugh, do you really wanna compare him to a shitty Naruto character? Oh wait, Danzou wants to kill Fagsuke, never mind.
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@Thousand:
Lol, I just find it hilarious how you're trying to justify what Akainu did.
"Akainu's not the evil one, it's those damn innocent civilians, he was doing the world a favor killing those jerks!!!"
I'm not trying to justify what Akainu did. I'm just saying that what he did wasn't actually "insane acts" as was stated on previous page.
From Robin's side, I find people on the ship and Akainu equally evil. They were willing to abandon poor little girl and let her be killed and got killed instead. I agree that what Sakazuki did was wrong, but I don't feel any sympathy towards thouse guys either :/
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@Al!naJames:
I'm not trying to justify what Akainu did. I'm just saying that what he did wasn't actually "insane acts" as was stated on previous page.
From Robin's side, I find people on the ship and Akainu equally evil. They were willing to abandon poor little girl and let her be killed and got killed instead. I agree that what Sakazuki did was wrong, but I don't feel any sympathy towards thouse guys either :/Yep, it's fun to generalize isn't it? Never mind the guys who wanted to help Robin or the elderly folk and the tiny, innocent babies and those decent guys on the ship. Nope, you see a few jerks and they're all evil, right?
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My god, I can't believe what I'm reading on this thread.
Akainu is a good soldier following orders. Are you seriously accusing him of being evil for killing some fucking historians or attacking pirates that rape and pillage innocents 359 days of the year? (+1 week paid vacation)
Akainu has done nothing but been a boring fucking captain america wannabee, true blue boyscout. If anyone is evil, it's Aokiji, that's why I love the little bastard.
He has Luffy and Robin dead on his rights, 2 people that have information CRUCIAL to bringing down the government, a government that gave his unemployed non-baby's momma supporting ass a JOB! He lets them go with information that will give Luffy Pluton, a weapon that hungry asshole will use to threaten villages for all their food and when he gets it, and Brook will "accidentally" pushes the "kill everyone" button, killing billions.Akainu is a fucking saint, stop posting stupid shit.
I still dislike Kizaru though, he's a self serving homo.
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My god, I can't believe what I'm reading on this thread.
Akainu is a good soldier following orders. Are you seriously accusing him of being evil for killing some fucking historians or attacking pirates that rape and pillage innocents 359 days of the year? (+1 week paid vacation)
Akainu has done nothing but been a boring fucking captain america wannabee, true blue boyscout. If anyone is evil, it's Aokiji, that's why I love the little bastard.
He has Luffy and Robin dead on his rights, 2 people that have information CRUCIAL to bringing down the government, a government that gave his unemployed non-baby's momma supporting ass a JOB! He lets them go with information that will give Luffy Pluton, a weapon that hungry asshole will use to threaten villages for all their food and when he gets it, and Brook will "accidentally" pushes the "kill everyone" button, killing billions.Akainu is a fucking saint, stop posting stupid shit.
I still dislike Kizaru though, he's a self serving homo.
lol, I don't know whether to take this seriously or not.
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My god, I can't believe what I'm reading on this thread.
Akainu is a good soldier following orders. Are you seriously accusing him of being evil for killing some fucking historians or attacking pirates that rape and pillage innocents 359 days of the year? (+1 week paid vacation)
Akainu has done nothing but been a boring fucking captain america wannabee, true blue boyscout. If anyone is evil, it's Aokiji, that's why I love the little bastard.
He has Luffy and Robin dead on his rights, 2 people that have information CRUCIAL to bringing down the government, a government that gave his unemployed non-baby's momma supporting ass a JOB! He lets them go with information that will give Luffy Pluton, a weapon that hungry asshole will use to threaten villages for all their food and when he gets it, and Brook will "accidentally" pushes the "kill everyone" button, killing billions.Akainu is a fucking saint, stop posting stupid shit.
I still dislike Kizaru though, he's a self serving homo.
Lol. You're saying Luffy, the main character of OP, is evil? No. Robin is justice… so is Aokiji. Apparently, what happened 800 years ago was the WG taking over (in an evil way). Aokiji is realising that the WG's methods are too ruthless. Robin is justice, as she's part of Luffy's crew. Akainu killed his own men to stop the the Ohara scholers from escaping. The WG are hiding info.
Why does everyone thing the WG are a good group of people?
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OMG is the internet sarcasm that hard to detect?
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Luffy is the antichrist.
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OMG is the internet sarcasm that hard to detect?
Yeah it is. Really. Sarcasm in text form fails.
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I figured the captain America and fucking saint parts would give it away, guess not.
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I figured the captain America and fucking saint parts would give it away, guess not.
Dude, do you expect a guy like me to notice shit like that? Mate, I'm half drunk here :/.
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Yeah, guess the answer was not.
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@$abZ:
Dude, do you expect a guy like me to notice shit like that? Mate, I'm half drunk here :/.
Ok, my mistake. Sounds about right.
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My god, I can't believe what I'm reading on this thread.
Akainu is a good soldier following orders. Are you seriously accusing him of being evil for killing some fucking historians or attacking pirates that rape and pillage innocents 359 days of the year? (+1 week paid vacation)
Akainu has done nothing but been a boring fucking captain america wannabee, true blue boyscout. If anyone is evil, it's Aokiji, that's why I love the little bastard.
He has Luffy and Robin dead on his rights, 2 people that have information CRUCIAL to bringing down the government, a government that gave his unemployed non-baby's momma supporting ass a JOB! He lets them go with information that will give Luffy Pluton, a weapon that hungry asshole will use to threaten villages for all their food and when he gets it, and Brook will "accidentally" pushes the "kill everyone" button, killing billions.Akainu is a fucking saint, stop posting stupid shit.
I still dislike Kizaru though, he's a self serving homo.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Hold the fucking phone right there. Kizaru is awesome
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I figured the captain America and fucking saint parts would give it away, guess not.
Even though you can't cut diamonds, I like you now :wub:
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Even though you can't cut diamonds, I like you now :wub:
But I get an "A" for effort while looking cool while swinging, right??! :
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@Kairouseki:
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Hold the fucking phone right there. Kizaru is awesome
.Fuck no,
He's fucking awesome.
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@Thousand:
Yeah, those shitty children that picked on Robin. They got what they deserved, right!?!>:)
well if just one historian snuck abord those ships killing all those people would've been a giant waste. The goal was to eliminate the historians completely. If just one gets away then the mission was failed and they might as well have not killed any of them at all. Because robin survied it means they wasted their time destroying Ohara because Ohara lives on. Akainu was trying to prevent that. Robin getting away probably pissed him off more than anything. An entire bustercall and a massacre wasted because of one girl who still has the knowledge of the poneglyphs.
It would be like killing a group of terrorist but Osama gets away. I know the Ohara guys weren't bad at heart but they were in the eyes of the Law which is what Akainu is trying to uphold.
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My god, I can't believe what I'm reading on this thread.
Akainu is a good soldier following orders. Are you seriously accusing him of being evil for killing some fucking historians or attacking pirates that rape and pillage innocents 359 days of the year? (+1 week paid vacation)
Akainu has done nothing but been a boring fucking captain america wannabee, true blue boyscout. If anyone is evil, it's Aokiji, that's why I love the little bastard.
He has Luffy and Robin dead on his rights, 2 people that have information CRUCIAL to bringing down the government, a government that gave his unemployed non-baby's momma supporting ass a JOB! He lets them go with information that will give Luffy Pluton, a weapon that hungry asshole will use to threaten villages for all their food and when he gets it, and Brook will "accidentally" pushes the "kill everyone" button, killing billions.Akainu is a fucking saint, stop posting stupid shit.
From the viewpoint of the WG, instead of the Luffy viewpoint that we normally use, this can be correct.
Akainu does what has to be done, on the orders of his higher-ups.
Kizaru is more mellow, if we can say that akainu is a justice fanatic, then kizaru is a justice boyscout.
Ao Kiji on the other hand, is a total failure of an admiral. He let sentiment overcome his sense of duty when he let robin get off the island. And lateron, he encountered the strawhats.. he should have killed or arrested Robin and Luffy. But he didn't, he let them go. Don't forget that Robin has read the poneglyphs at alabasta and skypiea. So she knows the location of pluton and poseidon! That is beyond dangerous, and she has teamed up with pirates now. They should raise her bounty a lot.Ok, remember we are still looking at this through the eyes of the WG. Then let's look at Luffy. From what he has done lately, despite being a rookie, he must be "criminal number one" on their list. He punched a tenryubito. Was responsible for the destruction of enies lobby. Responsible for the massive jailbreak where him and the other criminals he freed, knocked out everyone of the ID staff besides Magellan. He had Usopp burn the WG flag.
Luffy is also extremely fast, and has superhuman strength. Once he learns to use his strong haki, he's going to become enormously powerful. Really, the WG should make a REAL effort to annihilate him (and robin with her pluton and poseidon knowledge).
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@Lordzeb121:
well if just one historian snuck abord those ships killing all those people would've been a giant waste. The goal was to eliminate the historians completely. If just one gets away then the mission was failed and they might as well have not killed any of them at all. Because robin survied it means they wasted their time destroying Ohara because Ohara lives on. Akainu was trying to prevent that. Robin getting away probably pissed him off more than anything. An entire bustercall and a massacre wasted because of one girl who still has the knowledge of the poneglyphs.
It would be like killing a group of terrorist but Osama gets away. I know the Ohara guys weren't bad at heart but they were in the eyes of the Law which is what Akainu is trying to uphold.
Erm no, it would be killing Osamu in the middle of a bunch of innocent people.
And in the eyes of the law, they were completely innocent. The goal was to kill all the archaeologists not kill all the Oharans.
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@Thousand:
Erm no, it would be killing Osamu in the middle of a bunch of innocent people.
And in the eyes of the law, they were completely innocent. The goal was to kill all the archaeologists not kill all the Oharans.
How were they supposed to know who was an archaeologist and who wasn't. Its not like the archeologist looked any different. They only recognized robin because of olivia.
To quote one of my favorite lines in One Piece
"Could you protect the future from a terrible criminal you allowed to escape in just a split-second's hesitation"
Justice must not hesitate. If there is a chance that a criminal that can threaten the very world can escape then you must eliminate that chance.
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@Lordzeb121:
How were they supposed to know who was an archaeologist and who wasn't. Its not like the archeologist looked any different. They only recognized robin because of olivia.
To quote one of my favorite lines in One Piece
"Could you protect the future from a terrible criminal you allowed to escape in just a split-second's hesitation"
Justice must not hesitate. If there is a chance that a criminal that can threaten the very world can escape then you must eliminate that chance.
I don't know, they could just inspect the ship after? He didn't have to kill everyone. Stop trying to justify it by saying it was his mission. If the Marines wanted to kill everyone, they wouldn't have sent a rescue ship in the first place. Ao kiji was disgusted with his actions, Akainu acted excessively and slaughtered countless innocent people.
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@Lordzeb121:
How were they supposed to know who was an archaeologist and who wasn't. Its not like the archeologist looked any different. They only recognized robin because of olivia.
To quote one of my favorite lines in One Piece
"Could you protect the future from a terrible criminal you allowed to escape in just a split-second's hesitation"
Justice must not hesitate. If there is a chance that a criminal that can threaten the very world can escape then you must eliminate that chance.
I'm guessing you're in favour of the death penalty you overzealous simpleton.
UsoppSpell!
On the eve of spoilerificaiton, you will wait until you remember it's break week.
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I'm guessing you're in favour of the death penalty you overzealous simpleton.
Yeah.. we're in a fictional world here, and from the viewpoint of Akainu. If that guy was really serious, that'd be something else lol
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@Thousand:
Ao Kiji=Lazy Justice
Akainu=Absolute Justice
Kizaru=Middle.For Kizaru either Confused Justice or Stoned Justice would sound about right.
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I'm guessing you're in favour of the death penalty you overzealous simpleton.
calm down guy, step back, now take whatever is shoved up your ass out…slowly....it must be huge and i don't want you to rupture anything...
Im just pointing out Akainu's point of view. For the sake of the justice he upholds, take no chances in letting a single one escape. Do i think he went overboard, yeah, im just saying that i can see his idealogy. Like the Vice-Admiral who fired on one of his allies ships in the hopes that it would kill Luffy. There was a better way but it was just as effective. In a moments hesitation you could undo everything you have worked hard to protect.
Akainu's decision was harsh but had it not been for Aokiji he would've 100% ensured that no archeologist left ohara alive. There would be no doubt in anyones mind because the chance of escape for them would've been 0. Mission accomplished. You can call it mean or whatever but it was the fastest and really only way to ensure that no archeologist had even a chance to escape.
And for the record i would be for the death penalty with repeat offenders and those that show no signs of rehabilitation as long as all the evidence has been studied as close as possible and they are found to be guilty. I see no reason why the law abiding citizen should suffer the burden to keep criminals alive and in some cases better conditions than what the citizens have. Sadly killing a man cost more than housing them thanks to our legal system so until there is a more cost effective way prison will have to do.
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@Lordzeb121:
And for the record i would be for the death penalty with repeat offenders and those that show no signs of rehabilitation as long as all the evidence has been studied as close as possible and they are found to be guilty. I see no reason why the law abiding citizen should suffer the burden to keep criminals alive and in some cases better conditions than what the citizens have. Sadly killing a man cost more than housing them thanks to our legal system so until there is a more cost effective way prison will have to do.
We treat the criminals better than the average citizen :getlost:
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@Lordzeb121:
calm down guy, step back, now take whatever is shoved up your ass out…slowly....it must be huge and i don't want you to rupture anything...
Im just pointing out Akainu's point of view. For the sake of the justice he upholds, take no chances in letting a single one escape. Do i think he went overboard, yeah, im just saying that i can see his idealogy. Like the Vice-Admiral who fired on one of his allies ships in the hopes that it would kill Luffy. There was a better way but it was just as effective. In a moments hesitation you could undo everything you have worked hard to protect.
Akainu's decision was harsh but had it not been for Aokiji he would've 100% ensured that no archeologist left ohara alive. There would be no doubt in anyones mind because the chance of escape for them would've been 0. Mission accomplished. You can call it mean or whatever but it was the fastest and really only way to ensure that no archeologist had even a chance to escape.
And for the record i would be for the death penalty with repeat offenders and those that show no signs of rehabilitation as long as all the evidence has been studied as close as possible and they are found to be guilty. I see no reason why the law abiding citizen should suffer the burden to keep criminals alive and in some cases better conditions than what the citizens have. Sadly killing a man cost more than housing them thanks to our legal system so until there is a more cost effective way prison will have to do.
All of your posts regarding war lately have been extreme. And all I am critisizing is you vouching for said attitudes in war with your personal opinion. You did it for the Coby argument a while back, and you are doing it now. I'm all for analizyng Manga from a particular point of view, but don't insert your transparently misinformed narrow-minded extremist opinions only to back out.
I've said it a couple of times already, some guy behind a keyboard somewhere knows shit about these things and can only guess at or talk about what he thinks he would do. When you say that a guy that leaves your side out of fear in battle is worthless and better off dead, and you're talking about real life, then that bothers me in the wrong way. When you say you understand an attitude and agree with it, you're talking about real-life, not manga. Do you care about my opinion? Of course not. Should you? Of course not. But hey, as your free to spout out your pragmatic views on equating life to costs and expenditure I'm free to point out your pidgeon-headedness.
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All of your posts regarding war lately have been extreme. And all I am critisizing is you vouching for said attitudes in war with your personal opinion. You did it for the Coby argument a while back, and you are doing it now. I'm all for analizyng Manga from a particular point of view, but don't insert your transparently misinformed narrow-minded extremist opinions only to back out.
I've said it a couple of times already, some guy behind a keyboard somewhere knows shit about these things and can only guess at or talk about what he thinks he would do. When you say that a guy that leaves your side out of fear in battle is worthless and better off dead, and you're talking about real life, then that bothers me in the wrong way. When you say you understand an attitude and agree with it, you're talking about real-life, not manga. Do you care about my opinion? Of course not. Should you? Of course not. But hey, as your free to spout out your pragmatic views on equating life to costs and expenditure I'm free to point out your pidgeon-headedness.
Thats all well and good but none of this is fact. All of its personal opinion. If you don't like my opinion well that sucks for you. I don't take forum fights seriously and if you're developing a grudge i think you need to calm down cause its not that deep.
I think coby was a coward for running. I think that in real life people who run away from battle should be shot. Not because i don't like them or because i think they're cowards but because its against the rules needed to make a military function properly. That is why. If you let one person run from battle its sets bad precedent. How can you protect or defend if soldiers are just free to run away. The military agrees with me, thats why its a crime. Is it as black and white as that? Only when you're talking about the rules. If that person who ran was to stand before a trial they would have every right to administer the penalty of death. Im not saying they never have a reason for doing it, they're probably scared to death but running away is wrong. Reason aside,feelings of the person aside its against the rules. Its not doing the job you signed up for. Personally i also think its cowardly but that is a separate issue from why i think its wrong.
I think Oda is using Akainu to emphasis this solid military point of view and i completely see where he's coming from. There is nothing evil or cruel about his character. I think the Admirals are used as embodiments of justice and Akainu represents the strictest no nonsense adherence to this code.
Send in Aokiji if you want the job done maybe.
Send in Kizaru if you want the job half-assed.
Send in Akainu if you want the job done, no ifs ands or buts.Had Akainu encountered Luffy before Water 7 instead of aokiji, he would've killed him flat out. Had he been sent to Shabondy instead of Kizaru he would've killed every supernova there without hesitation and would have wasted no time like Kizaru did.
You called me pragmatic during one of your multi-adjective insults. I'll take that as a compliment. In certain things in life you should be pragmatic. Because Aokiji let robin go all those lives lost on Ohara were in vain, Ohara lives. Mission was failed, they might as well not have gone. Sure from the protagonist perspective its all YAY she lives on. From the antagonist they just wasted a ton of resources and lives only to fail because Aokiji disobeyed orders. I like being pragmatic. It makes choices very clear. There are no moments of hesitation…
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@Lordzeb121:
Thats all well and good but none of this is fact. All of its personal opinion. If you don't like my opinion well that sucks for you. I don't take forum fights seriously and if you're developing a grudge i think you need to calm down cause its not that deep.
I think coby was a coward for running. I think that in real life people who run away from battle should be shot. Not because i don't like them or because i think they're cowards but because its against the rules needed to make a military function properly. That is why. If you let one person run from battle its sets bad precedent. How can you protect or defend if soldiers are just free to run away. The military agrees with me, thats why its a crime. Is it as black and white as that? Only when you're talking about the rules. If that person who ran was to stand before a trial they would have every right to administer the penalty of death. Im not saying they never have a reason for doing it, they're probably scared to death but running away is wrong. Reason aside,feelings of the person aside its against the rules. Its not doing the job you signed up for. Personally i also think its cowardly but that is a separate issue from why i think its wrong.
I think Oda is using Akainu to emphasis this solid military point of view and i completely see where he's coming from. There is nothing evil or cruel about his character. I think the Admirals are used as embodiments of justice and Akainu represents the strictest no nonsense adherence to this code.
Send in Aokiji if you want the job done maybe.
Send in Kizaru if you want the job half-assed.
Send in Akainu if you want the job done, no ifs ands or buts.Had Akainu encountered Luffy before Water 7 instead of aokiji, he would've killed him flat out. Had he been sent to Shabondy instead of Kizaru he would've killed every supernova there without hesitation and would have wasted no time like Kizaru did.
You called me pragmatic during one of your multi-adjective insults. I'll take that as a compliment. In certain things in life you should be pragmatic. Because Aokiji let robin go all those lives lost on Ohara were in vain, Ohara lives. Mission was failed, they might as well not have gone. Sure from the protagonist perspective its all YAY she lives on. From the antagonist they just wasted a ton of resources and lives only to fail because Aokiji disobeyed orders. I like being pragmatic. It makes choices very clear. There are no moments of hesitation…
I hold no such grudge. I enjoy having arguments in any format, and you're views on certain things piqued my interest enough for me to speak up. At first it looked like perhaps your mindset was undeveloped and superficial, but now they seem more like well-thought opinions based on things you can actually talk about.
If at first I misjudged your outlook, then that is my mistake, but I still disagree wholeheartedly and fully with everything when your pragmatism is using lives in its calculations. A life to me is not something that should be calculated against resources of any kind or efforts of any kind.
The analisis on the Admirals is valid. I have no qualms with it because it's true. Hell, a magma man is so much deadlier than an iceman it's not even funny. But a Magmaman with Akainu's outlook, who would not even give Luffy time to converse, there's no question about it Luffy would be dead.
But the only valid situation in which you can actually give a life some sense of weight or value is when comparing it against other lives, as in that situation a relativistic point of view is fair. But a case where one must weigh lives against other lives is not the same as assigning a numeric value to the amount of resources, effort or manpower a life, or number of lives is worth. A life is not, or should not be in the same level of consideration as material or time constraints. It should be above those considerations. Only when a life is given for a purpose willingly does it turn into a resource for furthering that specific goal. A soldier or someone in the military is expendable because they willingly and knowingly accept the dangers upon they're lives. When an adolescent enlists and cowers in fear, or when a perp enlists because he'd rather have 4 meals a day and a life than be in jail or wherever, then it's the military system's fault for accepting underdeveloped or untrustworthy people.
Innocent lives sacrificed for the greater good when those lives serve to further a personal agenda is in no way justifiable. Destroying the written evidence, destroying an entire settlement's life's work, that is cruel, but not unthinkable. Obliterating an entire people because of them being a potential threat, that is, or should be, unthinkable. Extra emphasis on potential. They weren't even an assured threat, as they'd have to encounter a Poneglyph in order to read it, and then also find a buttload more and piece things together. Believing in pragmatism to such extremes definately removes any and all hesitation, but at the cost of one's capacity to discern the morality of any action. People like Akainu might get the job done everytime, but they will definately not be thinking about how to finesse a situation so it does not become a scandal, or think of creative or outside the box strategies that get the job done but also boost morale. You don't always have to do something that makes all of your comrades feel like garbage. He's trying so hard to get a point across that in the end what he communicates is how inhuman the World Government is.
Sure, it's not his job to handle PR, but sometimes the efficient choice, even from a pragmatic standpoint, later on turns out to be the wrong one. For instance, if people like Akainu weren't executing people or performing atrocities left and right for the sake of "justice", would Saul have defected and cause great damage in lives and resources? And that's just by arguing in your mindset. It is an efficient system to be sure, but is it stable in the long run? The more extreme you are the more likely you will find an influential or powerful person along the way who disagrees with you who will try to strip the power from you, something that would not have happenned in the first place if you had been more lenient.
And on the subject of the death penalty, which I won't get into in length because it's off topic, even a useless or dangerous life cannot be done away just like that. Many more resources are being squandered in other places to speak of these people as a "waste of resources", as it is relatively small when compared to the, say, trillions of dollars invested in military research. Furthermore, there is no real effort to rehabilitate these men. If science was as interested in making money as it was in helping people, then we'd have a system where these evil men could be productive in isolation, at least to work for their own food. I could go on, but I'd rather talk about the manga.
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I don't think you really understand Akainu. I don't know what motivates him and i don't know why he is motivated but he has a clear resolve. He believes in his duty to the Marines. He understands that the Marines are there to protect the world from criminals. It is not he who is deciding the criminals though. I think he understands that and understands it is a non-issue. Somewhere along the way he decided that the Marines were an organization worth joining and upholding. Who their enemy is does not matter to him, he has already sworn to uphold the current Justice. Doflamingo is right, just like the winner decides what is history they also decide what is Justice. This isn't idealistic rambling its the truth and you can see it in everything from Greek to Post-WWII history. I think Akainu realizes this and still made his pact to uphold the current Justice. That is his resolve. If he were to become flighty with it he would be no better than a pirate who decides for themselves what Justice is.
I know im going pretty deep into the character but that is what i am able to determine about him from what we've seen so far. Just like Luffy doesn't hesitate to defend a friend who is being hurt, upholding his Justice, Akainu doesn't hesitate either when something threatens the Justice he upholds. Luffy went all out on Enies Lobby, im sure alot of those Marines had families too while he was beating them with trees and destroying buildings leaving a path of carnage in his wake. For all their differences the characters have at least that in common and if it makes Akainu dangerous it also makes Luffy dangerous.
When Akainu destroyed that ship he did it to eliminate the chance of any Archeologist escaping. You may see that as disregarding human lives but i see it as him upholding his Justice. In his eyes, the eyes of the gov't, better to see 100 people die than allow people to escape that could unleash upon the world the dangerous knowledge of the weapons. What if an archeologist was on that boat and what if Crocodile got his hands on him instead of some strong willed and courageous like Robin. Crocodile could have got his hands on one of the weapons that could destroy the world because that one ship was allowed to escape. There are a million possibilities yeah but from Akainu eyes Poneglyphs are dangerous and anyone who can read them are a threat to the world. 100 lives VS the world in his eyes and his Justice already makes his duty clear. That the people of Ohara are good and only want to find out history is a none issue. They're breaking the rules, one of the most dangerous rules.
In the grand scheme of things Akainu may just be a tool. You should be mad at the WG for its seedy actions and its need to cover up the true history though, not Akainu who is following his duty to the best of his abilities. Morality is a wishy-washy thing just like Justice. Akainu cannot be immoral because Morality is decided by the WG. His morals the morals that the Marines uphold, and most citizens morals are decided for them already. You guys paint him out to be this guy who just goes around blasting people and then calling it justice when really its only because he believes so strongly this idea of justice that he blast them. You may see him as extreme but im sure that most soldiers would feel safe having Akainu behind them because where Aokiji might interfere or not depending on his feelings and where Kizaru may take the situation lightly Akainu will be there doing his duty. He knows the value of soldiers, he's an Admiral. Im sure he respects them alot which is why he came down so swiftly and harshly on those dissenters.
Lastly i don't think you can let coby off the hook so easily, you shift blame to the military. Coby is no different than the drummer boys of olden days or a young man whose whole family has been in the military and can't wait to enlist. Really the only ones fit for war are those who have already been or are in one. The entire US military is made up of men and women who have had the privilege of growing up in a country where there have only been 2 foreign attacks on its soil in the past 150 years. None of those new recruits know the horrors of war and they are still expected to perform their duty and many do, quite admirably. Coby wanted in the Marines. That he didn't realize the horrors of war is a reason to be afraid but not a reason to abandon post.
We could talk for great lengths about the prisons and the industry they have become thanks to our legal system but you're right. The manga should be focused on.
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God guys. You're writing essays on the morals of characters in a comic book
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I liked this debate. I understand both arguments. Problem is when it comes to the real world we have to be realistic. I agree with Lordzeb121 view and opinions of Akainu's character. He's defined it pretty well as far as separating him from the common evil doing things based on another emotion
UsoppSpell, you mentioned certain acts and ideals to be unthinkable. That is easy to say as far as weighing the worth of a life and humanity and having morals but we have to be realistic as far as the real world goes. There have been atrocities committed by humans in mankind's history far worse than anything you'd find in a work of fiction by people with no ideals, no beliefs and no resolve like Akainu's. Equating human life to #s on a piece of paper is thinkable. It's been done and is currently being done in the world today.
Anyway, I thought it was clear Akainu is an ends justify the means type of guy or a by any means necessary type of marine. In the end it's about what's needed to be done from their point of view.
As far as understanding the ideals these characters stand for. They should be. Whether you agree with that in real life is another matter. However, they shouldn't be completely foreign to you where you couldn't even follow the thought process or seriousness when decisions are made.
Had Akainu encountered Luffy before Water 7 instead of aokiji, he would've killed him flat out. Had he been sent to Shabondy instead of Kizaru he would've killed every supernova there without hesitation and would have wasted no time like Kizaru did
Probably would've killed Kuma too.
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Akainu is the ideal WG dog. He follows everything to the tee, and leaves no room for error. The man does whatever he feels best benifits the WG. Knowing this, it's also easy to predict the guy.
Kizaru is the guy that will attempt the job, and maybe he'll succede, and maybe he won't. He's gonna half ass it, but at the same time he's also gonna do what he thinks is right by the WG.
Aokiji is probably the more dangerous of the three, cause he's the unpredicable one. You don't know what his true intentions are, is he helping the WG? Or the SH's? He's also been shown to orchestrate grand schemes, that that always benifit the WG.
Overall Akainu is the guy that the WG should put in charge if they want to stomp out pirates.
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@Lordzeb121:
I don't think you really understand Akainu. I don't know what motivates him and i don't know why he is motivated but he has a clear resolve. He believes in his duty to the Marines. He understands that the Marines are there to protect the world from criminals. It is not he who is deciding the criminals though. I think he understands that and understands it is a non-issue. Somewhere along the way he decided that the Marines were an organization worth joining and upholding. Who their enemy is does not matter to him, he has already sworn to uphold the current Justice. Doflamingo is right, just like the winner decides what is history they also decide what is Justice. This isn't idealistic rambling its the truth and you can see it in everything from Greek to Post-WWII history. I think Akainu realizes this and still made his pact to uphold the current Justice. That is his resolve. If he were to become flighty with it he would be no better than a pirate who decides for themselves what Justice is.
I know im going pretty deep into the character but that is what i am able to determine about him from what we've seen so far. Just like Luffy doesn't hesitate to defend a friend who is being hurt, upholding his Justice, Akainu doesn't hesitate either when something threatens the Justice he upholds. Luffy went all out on Enies Lobby, im sure alot of those Marines had families too while he was beating them with trees and destroying buildings leaving a path of carnage in his wake. For all their differences the characters have at least that in common and if it makes Akainu dangerous it also makes Luffy dangerous.
When Akainu destroyed that ship he did it to eliminate the chance of any Archeologist escaping. You may see that as disregarding human lives but i see it as him upholding his Justice. In his eyes, the eyes of the gov't, better to see 100 people die than allow people to escape that could unleash upon the world the dangerous knowledge of the weapons. What if an archeologist was on that boat and what if Crocodile got his hands on him instead of some strong willed and courageous like Robin. Crocodile could have got his hands on one of the weapons that could destroy the world because that one ship was allowed to escape. There are a million possibilities yeah but from Akainu eyes Poneglyphs are dangerous and anyone who can read them are a threat to the world. 100 lives VS the world in his eyes and his Justice already makes his duty clear. That the people of Ohara are good and only want to find out history is a none issue. They're breaking the rules, one of the most dangerous rules.
In the grand scheme of things Akainu may just be a tool. You should be mad at the WG for its seedy actions and its need to cover up the true history though, not Akainu who is following his duty to the best of his abilities. Morality is a wishy-washy thing just like Justice. Akainu cannot be immoral because Morality is decided by the WG. His morals the morals that the Marines uphold, and most citizens morals are decided for them already. You guys paint him out to be this guy who just goes around blasting people and then calling it justice when really its only because he believes so strongly this idea of justice that he blast them. You may see him as extreme but im sure that most soldiers would feel safe having Akainu behind them because where Aokiji might interfere or not depending on his feelings and where Kizaru may take the situation lightly Akainu will be there doing his duty. He knows the value of soldiers, he's an Admiral. Im sure he respects them alot which is why he came down so swiftly and harshly on those dissenters.
Lastly i don't think you can let coby off the hook so easily, you shift blame to the military. Coby is no different than the drummer boys of olden days or a young man whose whole family has been in the military and can't wait to enlist. Really the only ones fit for war are those who have already been or are in one. The entire US military is made up of men and women who have had the privilege of growing up in a country where there have only been 2 foreign attacks on its soil in the past 150 years. None of those new recruits know the horrors of war and they are still expected to perform their duty and many do, quite admirably. Coby wanted in the Marines. That he didn't realize the horrors of war is a reason to be afraid but not a reason to abandon post.
We could talk for great lengths about the prisons and the industry they have become thanks to our legal system but you're right. The manga should be focused on.
Well, I like this response but I'm afraid I have not the time right now to counterargue properly so I'll try and keep it short and to the point.
Distilling the essence of your post, I think that I understand what you're saying, which is that Akainu doesn't even dabble in morality, to him morality is irrelevant in the face of orders, and he is just a person with the ability to carry those orders to the letter. He trusts the organization that gives the order, believes that they are doing everything for the right reasons, and that carrying out the will of the organization is all that he needs to know to believe that he is doing the right thing.
But he made an enourmous sacrifice. The ability to distinguish from right and wrong. It is one thing to follow orders to the letter, it's another to go above and beyond those orders to carry out a justice that he is too enmeshed in to question, while causing wanton death and destruction. I very much doubt that Sengoku told Akainu to go off and start executing deserters. It's pretty easy to see that the act of executing a few deserters would not sway a large amount of people, the act of killing this runaway soldier was not broadcast internally so the troops would fear running away, or has a similar objective. It's just him going off on his own to dole out justice on a microscopic level (when compared to where he might actually be needed) and seems more like he is going above and beyond again and killing unnescessarily to assert his own brand of extreme justice.
While this is not fully what I mean, I believe he is a scarred and disturbed man who takes the justice that he is ordered to uphold and automatically takes it to a near lobotomized extreme. He is not following orders, he also does what he likes, and not on orders, but because he believes in the system's dogma, not just blindly follows orders. But the ruleset of the "absolute justice" is totally fucked up, and as such shows a disturbed mind, not a military man who firmly believes in upholding the chain of command and the wishes of his superiors to the letter.
@Kairouseki:
God guys. You're writing essays on the morals of characters in a comic book
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@Zik:
http://larryfire.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/watbn_ozymandias_3.jpg
LOL.
Didn't see it. Is the movie as bad as the costumes or casting director? That guy looks more out of place in a superhero costume than a pacifier in a butthole.
UsoppSpell!
On the eve of spoilerificaiton, you will wait until you remember it's break week.
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You guys just don't get it.. sigh
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LOL.
Didn't see it. Is the movie as bad as the costumes or casting director? That guy looks more out of place in a superhero costume than a pacifier in a butthole.
Don't need to see it read the graphic novel, much better or try to find the animated graphic novel it was on PPV before the movie came out.
Maybe this will be better, hopefully you watch this:
Somebody put a marine cap on him and replace the weapons with magma.
"A sacrifice the island demanded"
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@Zik:
http://larryfire.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/watbn_ozymandias_3.jpg
ugh he was one of the things that made that movie so disappointing to fans of the comic…and whoever played the chick...
but the movie is still good and worth watching imo
