http://movies.yahoo.com/news/movies.reuters.com/new-film-version-quotrats-nimhquot-works-reuters
OK..CGI/Live is bad… how dare they do that to a classic film!:getlost:
http://movies.yahoo.com/news/movies.reuters.com/new-film-version-quotrats-nimhquot-works-reuters
OK..CGI/Live is bad… how dare they do that to a classic film!:getlost:
I'm okay with this if the movie is made as serious as the book and Don Bluth's rendition.
I am not okay with the fact that there's still no news about Don Bluth coming out of retirement.
I'm okay with this if the movie is made as serious as the book and Don Bluth's rendition.
I am not okay with the fact that there's still no news about Don Bluth coming out of retirement.
Seconding this opinion. Love Bluth's NIMH to death, but if they do indeed give the new movie the same respect and feel as it's film-predecessor (and the book, natch), I'd accept it.
And agreeing MASSIVELY with him returning to the business. I think I'd give a year of my life for a new Don Bluth film…
90s Don Bluth wasn't nearly as good as 80s Don Bluth, I think we'd be doing russian roulette if he starts again.
But yeah, new NIMH movie, DO NOT NEED.
http://movies.yahoo.com/news/movies.reuters.com/new-film-version-quotrats-nimhquot-works-reuters
OK..CGI/Live is bad… how dare they do that to a classic film!:getlost:
Holy crap, i remember that when i was a kid, too bad Hollywood found that at the bottom of the"we don't have any more ideas" barrel. I liked it then, but i'm sure they will screw it up like always.
Well they probably should try to go with the book…but this is Hollywood.
As for Bluth...if he can find a way to return to classic form (and when I mean classic I mean "NIMH", "American Tale", the first "Land Before Time", even the "Don't Walk Away" sequence in "Xanadu"), sure, but...he better make sure he's ready if he wants to.
The Small One (1978, short film)
Banjo the Woodpile Cat (1979, short film)
The Fox and the Hound (1980) (uncredited)
The Secret of NIMH (1982)
Dragon's Lair (1983, video game)
Space Ace (1984, video game)
An American Tail (1986)
The Land Before Time (1988)
All Dogs Go to Heaven (1989)
Dragon's Lair II: Time Warp (1991, video game)
Rock-a-Doodle (1991)
Thumbelina (1994)
A Troll in Central Park (1994)
The Pebble and the Penguin (1995)
Anastasia (1997)
Bartok the Magnificent (1999)
Titan A.E. (2000)
Dragon's Lair - The Movie (2010 or 2015)
Nimh, Space Ace/Dragon's Lair, American Tail, Land Before Time, All Dogs, were all good, but… Would you really want the return of Troll in Central Park, Bartok, or Titan A.E. Bluth? Really? ADGtH was his last good film and that was 20 years ago. (Anastasia was also good, but sooooo blatantly ripped from the Disney formula of the time I'm not sure how much credit to give it.)
As for this actual imending travesty... No way the movie can be as solid as the old one was. In general, movies just aren't as good anymore in the writing, direction or art, in general in the last decade or two. Lack of passionate and great directors and artists and people trying to tell stories. Even franchises. Die Hard, Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Godfather, all great things made 30 years ago. their follow ups? Not so much so. More people just trying to make something that exploded good over a good story, which sucks.
Now, if Pixar was doing it, okay. But anyone else? No, probably not. I can't see this going well, especially if they're all Alvin and the Chipmunks about it.
On Bluth's resume only A Troll in Central Park and The Pebble and the Penguin were really bad, and primarily because they could only be enjoyed by children.
For those who think Bluth's '90s films were bad, you have to consider that Bluth as a former Disney animator was trying to fine personal recognition when Disney had rocketed to dominance again. He wouldn't want to be criticized as imitating Disney, but to be respected as an animator in his own right. Sadly, it wasn't the right decade for that kind of acceptance and he only found success in Anastasia.
Bluth still has it, but I'm sure his confidence is lower after Titan A.E. didn't find an audience. Hence why he's sticking to his older, established classics like Dragon's Lair (remake Space Ace please).
The original SoN is legendary, though. I don't think anyone could beat it.
@robby: I take it you didn't like Titan A.E. robby? Why does no one like this movie? I thought it was awesome.
The Pebble and the Penguin were really bad,
http://www.veoh.com/browse/videos/category/animation/watch/v698313aCh3JQdk#
Don Bluth is great, he just needs a good writer that will work with his animation style.
That was terrifying.
I keep forgetting how Bluth can somehow make his villains even scare the devils out of grown ups. :<
If you want to see how bad 90s Bluth is, three suggestions:
1. Nostalgia Critic's "Rock a Doodle" review
2. Nostalgia Chick's "Thumbellina" review
3. Nostalgia Chick's "Anastatia" review
I did actually recently see a music video Bluth did a few years ago that actually follows more along his Xanadu/Dragon's Lair path…that wasn't bad.
On Bluth's resume only A Troll in Central Park and The Pebble and the Penguin were really bad, and primarily because they could only be enjoyed by children.
For those who think Bluth's '90s films were bad, you have to consider that Bluth as a former Disney animator was trying to fine personal recognition when Disney had rocketed to dominance again. He wouldn't want to be criticized as imitating Disney, but to be respected as an animator in his own right. Sadly, it wasn't the right decade for that kind of acceptance and he only found success in Anastasia.
Bluth still has it, but I'm sure his confidence is lower after Titan A.E. didn't find an audience. Hence why he's sticking to his older, established classics like Dragon's Lair (remake Space Ace please).
The original SoN is legendary, though. I don't think anyone could beat it.
Rock-a-doodle was the worst animated movie I've ever seen in my life.
If there's an excuse for how shitty his 90's movies were then the feeble little explanation you have up there sure isn't it.
"TRYING NOT TO BE DISNEY" doesn't mean fuckshit when your problems are basic storytelling, animation quality, and song quality. Not even going near backwards ass premises like Rock-a-Doodle.
Anastasia was alright I guess, aside from the hilarious historical innacuracies.
@robby: I take it you didn't like Titan A.E. robby? Why does no one like this movie? I thought it was awesome.
Titan A.E . was gorgeous but also infuriating. All these great sequences that added up to a story that fundamentally makes no sense. Scientist builds a ship that can create a new earth. Aliens are so upset they destroy the old earth necessitating the creation of the new earth. We run around for a bit. We put our characters in various "dangerous" situations (all of which are solved in the very next scene) and wind up creating a new earth to replace the old. Of course in the process the Titan ship is destroyed (or utilized, whatever) so now all the aliens have to do is destroy this new Earth and, hey, we're all doomed. Great.
Character motivation is awful, none of them had aspirations, or past lives, and they switched sides on the turn of a dime. the ONLY truly memorable thing from the entire movie is that they anti-climactically named the new planet "Bob", which was a funny bit, but I don't remember ANY of the character names or motivations at this point. I think Janine Garoffolo was in it. There was an ice field manuevering thing and a gas bubble planet… but... nothing else.
But, hey, it looked great, and there were great sequences. Why should I care if there are story holes you can drive a truck through?
Well, maybe I care because The Powers That Be will think that animated action movies just don't work. They won't want to make any more. They won't say, hey, bad script. A good script will make a good movie. They'll just say bad combo: no one likes action and animation. And suddenly, all future animated films are limited by the failure of one. Titan A.E. tried to be a mature action animated film sans musicals, and failed, setting bad precedents. That Treasure Planet, and then Atlantis followed a couple years later also going down the "We're mature animated films with bad scripts but pretty visuals!" which also flopped didn't help matters. O
Oh, Titan A.E. also very quickly and abrubtly ENDED Fox animation studios entirely. No more cartoons from them. (or pretty much anyone else for that matter.)
And of course then SHREK came along, and that was the end of hand drawn animation for the rest of the decade.
@robby: Well, I suppose we'll just have to agree to disagree. It may because I've seen the movie about a bazillion times, but despite it's (few) faults, I like it. Now to address some of your complaints:
Of course in the process the Titan ship is destroyed (or utilized, whatever) so now all the aliens have to do is destroy this new Earth and, hey, we're all doomed. Great.
Lest ye forget that the Drej were completely wiped out at the end of the movie. Thus there are no evil aliens to destroy the new Earth.
Though I will admit that is one thing that bothered me about it is that the Drej seemed to have no real motivation. Yes, they explained the humans were afraid of what the humans would become, but why just the Drej? Aren't there any other alien races out there that fear the human race? And what's the Drej's deal anyway? Are they some kind of evil empire? I mean, how do these interplanetary social structures work? …Uh, but anyway.
Character motivation is awful, none of them had aspirations, or past lives, and they switched sides on the turn of a dime. the ONLY truly memorable thing from the entire movie is that they anti-climactically named the new planet "Bob", which was a funny bit, but I don't remember ANY of the character names or motivations at this point. I think Janine Garoffolo was in it. There was an ice field manuevering thing and a gas bubble planet… but... nothing else.
I'll give you some credit for this, but I think overall we got a decent amount of character motivation and background. We saw Kale's (protagonist) past and his reluctance to follow his father's legacy was an important factor. Akima (girl) grew up on a Drifter colony and experienced first hand the plight of the human race and Korso, as we later discover SPOILER ALERT lost hope in humanity. I will admit we could've gotten some more info on Preed, Gune and Stith (what stock do a bunch of aliens have in the future of the human race?)
Oh and the whole "switch sides at the turn of a dime" thing doesn't work since SPOILER ALERT Korso and Preed had been lying to them the whole time and thus weren't switching sides haphazardly.
And yes, Janine Garofolo was in it as well as John Leguizamo, Nathan Lane, Matt Damon, Drew Barrymore, and Bill Pullman.
So that's pretty much it. I'll just say that I do agree with you that I hope that Hollywood won't be reluctant to make animated action movies in the future. Titan A.E. was mainly a failure due to it's poor marketing, but movies like this definitely do have a place in cinema.
Rock-a-doodle was the worst animated movie I've ever seen in my life.
Was it really that bad? Some scenes didn't make sense to me, but that monocle owl was an overpowered bastard and I wanted to see someone take him to town really, really badly. Even now, many years after seeing the film, he's the character I most vividly remember.
"TRYING NOT TO BE DISNEY" doesn't mean fuckshit when your problems are basic storytelling, animation quality, and song quality. Not even going near backwards ass premises like Rock-a-Doodle.
He needs a good songwriter. That much I can attest to.
I don't think animation quality was ever really an issue with Bluth. Even Dragon's Lair and Space Ace, which were animated on shoestrings, can put to shame most of the "higher quality" HB and Disney TV cartoons from the 1990's. His movies never really suffered noticeably from animation, but if they were noticeable I'd say it's because Bluth favours articulation a LOT so the heavily accentuated facial features and gestures are contrasted against not-as-well-animated bodies and stuff. Disney at least was more consistent with their titles, if more simplistic with the style.
Storytelling…certainly his '90s features could have been stronger, but I think the difference in quality is only more pronounced when one compares them to his '80s work.
I do think that Bluth, like other animators struggled when it came to competing against Disney. It would be like a regional retailer trying to out -perform Wal-Mart.
He needs a good songwriter. That much I can attest to.
Jeez, I don't know what to say about that. I mean, he got Barry f*cking Manilow for Thumbelina.
Jeez, I don't know what to say about that. I mean, he got Barry f*cking Manilow for Thumbelina.
Marry the Mole? :<
Was it really that bad?
Name one thing good about it.
Some scenes didn't make sense to me, but that monocle owl was an overpowered bastard and I wanted to see someone take him to town really, really badly. Even now, many years after seeing the film, he's the character I most vividly remember.
As you already demonstrated on this thread, you idea of good villains is really pretty awful.
I don't think animation quality was ever really an issue with Bluth.
If you don't die laughing/crying with the quality of the psuedo Roger Rabbit scenes in Rock a Doodle then lord help you.
And the character designs in most of the 90's ones were pretty awful.
Storytelling…certainly his '90s features could have been stronger, but I think the difference in quality is only more pronounced when one compares them to his '80s work.
They speak for themselves, in a long string of stenchful belches.
I do think that Bluth, like other animators struggled when it came to competing against Disney. It would be like a regional retailer trying to out -perform Wal-Mart.
This ahs nothing to do with anything but sales, it deosn't excsue awful storytelling and music.
I adore Don Bluth's animation style and many of his films. I haven't seen some of the later ones, although I did really like Titan A.E. a lot.
A new Secret of NIMH movie….eh, I dunno, it could be decent....I'm just tired of 3D remakes.
My childhood….clutches heart
I hope they do it right...Edward Norton, though, that gets my hopes up. And The Illusionist was very good, so maybe it'll be all right.
Name one thing good about it.
I insist, after you.
I hardly remember anything about the movie, curiously it's the only Bluth film I don't have on VHS, so any defense I could give to it would be viewed through foggy nostalgia scopes.
As you already demonstrated on this thread, you idea of good villains is really pretty awful.
Villains don't need to have intricately detailed backstories and progressive character development to be good. Inexplicable, random powers and ridiculously shallow self-interests are perfectly acceptable traits.
That owl guy just wanted to eat some farm animalz.
That's perfectly OK considering all the good guys in Rock-a-Doodle were farm animals.
And the character designs in most of the 90's ones were pretty awful.
Only as far as the very animal-centered ones go. The humans looked fine in every film except Rock-a-Doodle, where they were LA IIRC.
I insist, after you.
Alright.
Done, your turn.
I hardly remember anything about the movie, curiously it's the only Bluth film I don't have on VHS, so any defense I could give to it would be viewed through foggy nostalgia scopes.
Are you saying you own A Troll In Central Park?
Villains don't need to have intricately detailed backstories and progressive character development to be good. Inexplicable, random powers and ridiculously shallow self-interests are perfectly acceptable traits.
For the bottom line, not for the ridiculous and seemingly random praise your heaping on them. These two guys are generic as hell, no one would recognize them if they threw them into a stew with all the other billions of animated villains.
Done, your turn.
no u
Are you saying you own A Troll In Central Park?
For the sake of rhetoric, yes.
In actuality, no.
I own Fivel, Time, Dogs, NIMH, Thumbelina, Titan, and Anastasia.
While I've seen what are commonly acknowledged to be Bluth's "stinkers", I don't own VHS of them, which might say something about either my parent's taste or Costco's.
For the bottom line, not for the ridiculous and seemingly random praise your heaping on them. These two guys are generic as hell, no one would recognize them if they threw them into a stew with all the other billions of animated villains.
Once you've assimilated enough media, all villains are going to become generic, or they'll only be unique to the extent that trivial differences become the only distinction between similar characters. At this point, one must either become more abstract or lower standards.
Most of the original/unique "antagonists" I tend to like now aren't even corporeal, they're conceptual entities, para-, meta- or physical phenomenon like human society, destiny, a virus, or a recurring tidal wave than slams the coast every couple years. This is part of the reason why I've all but abandoned mainstream gaming for visual novels - at least in those, people can experiment with abstracts in a comfy setting.
For me, the fact that the owl is a Bluth villain in Bluth style overrides any other generic characteristics he might have.
no u
But I just did?:wassat:
Once you've assimilated enough media, all villains are going to become generic,
No, sorry.
or they'll only be unique to the extent that trivial differences become the only distinction between similar characters. At this point, one must either become more abstract or lower standards.
lol, none of this is true.
Most of the original/unique "antagonists" I tend to like now aren't even corporeal, they're conceptual entities, para-, meta- or physical phenomenon like human society, destiny, a virus, or a recurring tidal wave than slams the coast every couple years. This is part of the reason why I've all but abandoned mainstream gaming for visual novels - at least in those, people can experiment with abstracts in a comfy setting.
fartttttt
For me, the fact that the owl is a Bluth villain in Bluth style overrides any other generic characteristics he might have.
So exactly what characteristic about him isn't generic.
I like drake from pebble and the penguin because it's tim curry
Tim curry should be every villian
I'm strangely enthralled by his Cardinal Richelieu.
The Land before time has not been given enough credit!
(Clearly the best film out of the lot)
The Land before time has not been given enough credit!
(Clearly the best film out of the lot)
I hear ya. TLBT was the shiz. I grew up with that movie. I'm ashamed to admit though that I also grew up with the sequels.
I have not seen the original Nimh but I read a comic book version of it that was in the book bin in the back of my 4th Grade class :)
No, sorry.
I didn't ask for an apology.
lol, none of this is true.
Would this face lie to you?
fartttttt
Bluth's stenchful movies don't have anything on that.
So exactly what characteristic about him isn't generic.
He's a Bluth villain.
It all boils down to who you compare the villain to. For little kids who haven't seen too many, he's going to be a whole lot more memorable.
I almost fear commenting, in case I open up a can of worms. But I'll do it anyway.
There's never been a Don Bluth film that I couldn't watch at least twice. Yes, some were better than others (as with all film companies), but they've never been outright BAD to me. American Tail, The Land Before Time (which has been butchered into a happy sing-along franchise and it BURNS ME), Thumbelina, Anastasia and Titan A.E. are my favorites, but I'd probably watch any of his works again today with exception to Pebble and the Penguin (which was the one I only watched twice, mentioned above)
And dammit, I LIKE Rock-A-Doodle. Alot.
Yes, there are flaws to it (especially the live action/animated bits at the end), but overall it's a fun experience, and held a good story about a proud man (er, rooster) who is shattered when he realizes he doesn't have the skill he thought he did, and loses himself because of it. He becomes famous for everything he's not, but in the end returns to his life when it's discovered his friends liked his talent without the overblown result. All this being done in a fun way, with an obvious similarity to a certain King of Rock in both the visuals and plot as well.
And the Owls didn't just want to eat the farm animals, they wanted to keep the sun from shining so they wouldn't have to hide from the light every morning. The Grand Duke (who was fucking creepy, along with his nephew Hunch) selfishly wanted to control the lives of others, and put them into misery. THEN he'd eat them.
And I thought Peepers was an awesome character. She was 3 inches tall, could take on any problem with her intellect (including drive a car, a plane, unlocking a trailer hitch twice her size) and perseverance.
holds out can opener and "Acme Can of Worms" Knock yourself out, people.
I like drake from pebble and the penguin because it's tim curry
Tim curry should be every villian
Yes. Yes he should.
He was amazing as Skullmaster in Mighty Max. ANd… every other role he's every been in. Including the Mighty Ducks animated series. He was paired with Tony Jay, Clancy Brown, and Frank Welker being Frank Welker in that one. As ill conceived as the show was, it was like the uber collection of animated villain voices.
The Land before time has not been given enough credit!
(Clearly the best film out of the lot)
Also with the most horrid sequels tainting it. No Bluth's fault, but still.
first: I'm a little surprised that they're making a remake of a don bluth classic.
second: i reserve all judgement until i see at least a trailer.
and third: i enjoyed don bluth's films since i grew up watching them.
I saw this along time ago and although I almost don't recall anything from it except the little mouse girl in the red hood and old Nicodemus I think I liked it when I saw it
Also a friend of mine called to my attention that there is a sequel called The Secret of NIMH 2: Timmy to the Rescue made without Don Bluth
So I searched and found this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Secret_of_NIMH_2:_Timmy_to_the_Rescue
The only good sequel to a bluth film is Fievel Goes West
The only good sequel to a bluth film is Fievel Goes West
ah! now that is good one. and who said that sequels were never as good as the first?
@robbybevard:
Yes. Yes he should.
He was amazing as Skullmaster in Mighty Max. ANd… every other role he's every been in. Including the Mighty Ducks animated series. He was paired with Tony Jay, Clancy Brown, and Frank Welker being Frank Welker in that one. As ill conceived as the show was, it was like the uber collection of animated villain voices.
Also with the most horrid sequels tainting it. No Bluth's fault, but still.
thats odd… i have the Mighty Ducks VHS and seen all the episodes
who did Tim Curry play?
The only good sequel to a bluth film is Fievel Goes West
My favorite sequence in that entire film is the bit where they use the Blues Brothers' version of Rawhide.
Far as a new NIMH movie goes, well, I look at The Secret of Nimh as being in the same category as Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory. While a great film, it's not exactly a great adaption of the source material. So a new version being made doesn't bother me, especially if it moves closer to the source material.
thats odd… i have the Mighty Ducks VHS and seen all the episodes
who did Tim Curry play?
Lord Draguanus… is that right? Anyway, the main villain.
And, if we're going to bring animated villains into the mix:
BwhIDTRBdA4
James Earl Jones-voiced villain FTW!
Whoa! Hold on!
Is it a NEW Nimh movie…or the same movie, just being put/revisioned into the theater?
Whoa! Hold on!
Is it a NEW Nimh movie…or the same movie, just being put/revisioned into the theater?
Read the link on the first post.
It's simply same book, new take. For a recent example, think Willy Wonka.
Aw fuck.
That sucks.
He is the King of
ZamundaThe NightThe Pride, etc.
"You must take your place in the circle of life Kimba… I mean, Simba."
"Luke, I am your father."
"This is CNN."
"Hey guys, get out of here, I'm tryin' to talk to Lisa!"
@robbybevard:
"You must take your place in the circle of life Kimba… I mean, Simba."
"Luke, I am your father."
"This is CNN."
"Hey guys, get out of here, I'm tryin' to talk to Lisa!"
A far better time for the simpsons.
XDDD Oh man I love Fivel Goes West to deaaaaath <3
I'm thankful I was introduced to stuff like NIMH, American Tail, All Dogs Go To Heaven, and especially The Land Before Time (I was like, not alive when these came out XD), those movies bring back som any memories of childhood, I think I've got every movie he's done XD
Now the 90s movies were kind of…. eh.
I enjoyed Rock A Doodle pre elementary school, and probably a little while after. But I look at it now and I think this was Bluth off of an acid trip. This is a product of LSD, no freakin doubt.
A Troll in Central Park and Pebble and the Penguin I watched ALOT but it's been ages but I do think they would not keep my attention nowm, they're definately small children's movies. Thumbelina I loved as well but I remember that it got a bit weird... Don't think I would like it as much now either.
Now Anastasia still was one of the best, atleast animated, movies I've ever seen. Maybe its because I still can't get enough of the songs but that movie was just all sorts of awesome and WIIIIIN.... The spinoff... not so much.
Now I loved Titan A.E when I first saw it, but it was kinda meh when I saw it a few years later (when I got the DVD)... I'll watch it again and make another verdict.... It was just kind of... out there, it really wasn't a kiddy movie but it lacked the depth of a good adult movie, it was just kind of there.
I was so little watching all of these I don't really remember, except for ones I know I watched 345456345 times like Anastasia, NIMH, All Dogs Go To Heaven, and The Land Before Time (which I still think is his best IMO)
It's been so long since I've watched NIMH I totally need to see it again. That movie was a lot deeper and a lot more epic then my little brain could probably process at the time.
Now for some reason, I was like in 3rd or 4th grade at the time it came out so forgive me, but I REALLY liked the NIMH sequal, as... weird and wrong as it was. I think I would be ashamed of it now but I liked it then, might need to watch it again. I don't think I watched it again much past that particular time.