a whool chapter from oda to inform us that ace is gold roger's san
and the his mother died
and the wg is ready to war
I'l sure the hobby of oda is wasting time
he could end the whool arc on 2 months but he likes to make it on a year
Worst post Ive read in a long time…it would seem you just wants a series of disconnected scenes rather than any story development...
Amazing chapter. I thought the first bunch of pages were great. Saw some different parts of the world, and some great perspective. Gave a good look of Marineford, and we got to see some old faces again. Tons of good splash pages in this chapter. And of course the shock reveal is great, and is going to make this story quite interesting indeed.
I'm also considering the possibility that Oda can totally throw a curve at us, and Whitebeard does not show up.
I think that Garp is father to both Roger and Dragon thus making Ace and Luffy cousins.
Either that Marine's a midget, the perspective's wonky, Mihawk drank a hell of a lotta milk, or Oda messed up, because Mihawk was of normal height when we saw him before. Hancock wasn't quite that big either. Eh, oh well. I hope she manages to redeem herself if any action breaks out.
Great seeing the variety of the ways of life in the Blues. It's a bit of a pity that the Straw Hats will probably never fully explore them in the story.
Marineford reminds me of Enies Lobby, juts with a giant padoga castle instead of a more western castle. I got a chuckle out of the guy with the Boba Fett mask.
What else..well it was a treat to see Akainu in the present, even if he's still wearing that baseball cap. Liked all of the cameos in the crowd, and we even got a decent silhouette of Rouge. Pretty nice chapter, bombshell and all. Amusing how it opens up the unheard of possibility that Luffy could actually get laid at some point in his life. Horrors!
Buggy's going to take over the world, ha ha ha.
So, no proof that Roger was Garp son, and so would be Dragon's brother ?
I think some people are forgetting that Garp is known as "the legendary marine who used to chase down Gold Roger" (chapter 431), kinda like Luffy and Smoker. They're no related, but it's no surprise they knew each other.
Hmmm by the looks of it i think Ace either knew or had some suspicions about it, otherwise he would have had a more shocked expresion. Also it was an awesome
chapter but now i cant wait for next weeks T_T.
I think some people are forgetting that Garp is known as "the legendary marine who used to chase down Gold Roger" (chapter 431), kinda like Luffy and Smoker. They're no related, but it's no surprise they knew each other.
So, just cause Garp chased Gol D. Roger doesn't mean Roger was Garp's son. I mean Garp possibly tried to teach him to be a Marine but Roger betrayed him and became a pirate.
Damn! Oda sure is a bastard!!
So basically, we spend approx 400 chapters debating as to whether Ace and Luffy are actually 'full' brothers due to the fact that they have different last names. Finally while in prison, Ace says he rejected his father's name thus having us imply that in fact Luffy and Ace are not half brothers but biological brothers, only to then go BAM! No relation whatsoever.
Grrrr…
Damn! Oda sure is a bastard!!
So basically, we spend approx 400 chapters debating as to whether Ace and Luffy are actually 'full' brothers due to the fact that they have different last names. Finally while in prison, Ace says he rejected his father's name thus having us imply that in fact Luffy and Ace are not half brothers but biological brothers, only to then go BAM! No relation whatsoever.
Grrrr…
Oda own'd us again we like it or not 
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its funny to see how buggy things he can do something in the marineford…
it also looks like luffy will get there before whitebeard.
the question is who will they fight first once they get there?
the ships?
shibukai?
looks like luffy is gonna meet up with kuma once again,im sure luffy will try to have another go at him,and moria looks extra exited dont you think?
he should take everyones shadows and do his king of the pirate thing hehe...
I knew it was better to avoid spoilers when I saw the thread was over 70 pages long.
First I was like 
Then when I saw the shichibukai, I was like
I sure am glad Oda took his break before this chapter and not after. Excitement!
don't know if anybody said it before, but i think this is the time that garp will betray the marines. every D. has always stand to his word and fulfill his word. this would be the perfect time for him. roger had faith in him that he take care of his son. garp would break his word if he just sit there and look how ace is going to be executed.
HOLY SHIT AND CAMEL ON RYE.
Brentacity, I take back everything I said behind your back about you, your mother, your mother's mother, and your wife (the cutie baby boy was left for last, but didn't get to him yet) while I was on spoiler withdrawal.
I hate you so much, BUT FUCKING HELL, STOP BEING RIGHT ABOUT AWESOME CHAPTERS. GGUGUUGHGHGUGUUGUGHGH.
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its funny to see how buggy things he can do something in the marineford…
lol i'm loving buggy more and more! he's already become OP's very mr satan eheh
about wb i think the reason all the marine ships sent to report his moves were sunk so easily is that wb's ships are coated and are moving under water. (they cannot be detected and can easily approach and sink any enemy ships)
Great chapter! And I guess that the war will be starting on the next one? With Luffy just there.. And WB must appear sooner or later! I'm really excited about it!
@Low-fi:
I agree about the Shichibukai. Kind of pissed Moria is back and allowed to fight with the rest of them. Fair enough Crocodile and Buggy are old villains coming back into the story after a long time, but Moria JUST got beaten not even 100 chapters ago and already he's back.
Uh, that's because he's relevant to the story.
What is the logic behind posts like these..
Whitebeard, seeing a marine ship with two shichibukais onboard, will sink Luffy before they arrive at MarineFord ! :-D
Lol Sengoku will hate himself for televising this incident. This will be huge publicity for Luffy. I can already see him on the scaffold shouting about how he'll become the pirate king straight into the camera XD
Rofl :'D That'll be priceless XD
Whitebeard will pick up and begin to throw his ships towards MHQ and then himself, jump and land right over Ace with the three Admirals already out of their seats drawing blades (of their individual elements) and prepare to fight him, oh and a ship lands on Smoker, just for lolsz!!!!
But seriously, i've asked this before, I think we'll soon find out where WB's old crew is, because it seems Ace only joined a few years ago, and is already such a highrank, or maybe it is backwards, the leader of the 16th division is the strongest in the crew next to WB!!!! I've got it!!!!! And the reason Marco and Jozu stay with WB is because they're are so weak, but at the same time WB's crew si so strong that his weaklings are recognized by Yonukou!!!!!
Hahahah. Luffy is so outmatched right now. XD
the size of Boa and Mihawk is a perspective trick only. Look at their feet (which re gettign hidden by letters.) Their feet are in the forground, overlapping te stones. The closest marine, has his feet falling behind the stone, past he horizon line. He's further in the distance than they are.
Just an optical illusion to give effect.
Probably.
It's perspective. They are not too high.
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After two weeks, we have a chapter to set the stage for an awesome, world changing event. I love it.
These next few chapters are going to be great.
And boo to anyone who thinks one of the major players in this arc is going down "in a second." I doubt anyone here will get away unscathed, but none of them would just get tossed aside like that.
Oh, and thanks you Naruto. If not for your stupid, stupid computers from the chunin exams are people probably wouldn't be as excepting of these stupid, stupid flat screen TVs that the marines are suddenly using to broadcast the execution.
Hmmm by the looks of it i think Ace either knew or had some suspicions about it, otherwise he would have had a more shocked expresion. Also it was an awesome
chapter but now i cant wait for next weeks T_T.
yepp, now seeing the full chapter and ace's reaction it is obvious that ace knew his true father's name and bears a grudge & shame against/towards him for forcing his mother to make the ultimate sacrifice and being the arch enemy/rival of his chosen father.
think it's time for dragon to shine as both father and most wanted criminal as soon as WB is beaten!
btw, oda's drawings are amazing!! i guess i have a new wallpaper for the next few weeks…
After two weeks, we have a chapter to set the stage for an awesome, world changing event. I love it. These next few chapters are going to be great.
And boo to anyone who thinks one of the major players in this arc is going down "in a second." I doubt anyone here will get away unscathed, but none of them would just get tossed aside like that.
Oh, and thanks you Naruto. If not for your stupid, stupid computers from the chunin exams people probably wouldn't be as excepting of these stupid, stupid flat screen TVs that the marines are suddenly using to broadcast the execution.
Yeah, Oda messed up the perspective really on that spread.
I said it during the spoiler thread and I'll say it now.
Seeing Hancock sleeveless gives me confidence that shes will be kicking major butt.
ΩMEGA PIRATES: ? Members
Captain: Zkaiser
Status: Dejected.
Threat Level: Pink
Goal: Prove the Elemental Haki Theory
Whitebeard. Will. Cut. Gates of Justice. Oh wait, they are in new world side? Damn, good theory to vaste. Oh well. Oh about chapter you ask?
Plus points goes to:
+You say it Zkaiser, Hancock look damn ready to kick butt. Big plus for that.
+Akainu apparance, he looks like a yakuza but seems like a flower-hippie thing.
+Marine MF HQ looks damn sweet place. But where is it?
+All fukken officers are there… almost but how cool.
+Sengoku's badassery and epicness with his speech. But why he do that, why?
+Ace's mother and Amazon Lily connection theory, sweet.
+Giant marine officers, 50 battleships...!
Minus points goes to:
-Kuma... wtf.
-Only 50 battleships? He is fukken Whitebeard!
-Odas crappy art with royal flush, so damn wrong. Wasted awesomes.
-Place where Luffy is... and Ace taking all fame points... its not good thing for mainguy.
-Ace's forced Pirate King posing... Kind of awesome try look cool.
-Where hell is Whitebeard? Skydivison sounds awesome doh, whos theory it was?
-Or Shanks? Where hell he is?
Final summary:
Good chapter. Actually quite awesome chapter. But Oda can do it better. Waiting what Dragon think about this and BB's actions. War, bring the war!
Ugh too long to read, if there is something wrong, blame me trolling and ignore or whatever.
@The:
It's perspective. They are not too high.
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don't know what you were arguing about, but mihawk has never been as tall as hancock, he has average human size. i think he is standing on hancock's snake + perception error and hancock is not fully standing but half sitting on her snake.
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Well, you can see the beginnings of Mihawk's boots, and it doesn't look like he's standing on her snake. Man, Hancock was shown to be slightly shorter than Momonga in Impel Down, but now she's a giantess! Yeah, she's sitting on her snake, but you can see one of her feet touching the ground.
Well, I guess we'll have to just wait and see if Oda keeps these new proportions or not…
Regarding the Shichi shot, Oda's simply playing with camera angle to make dramatic effects, don't go pull your hair out when Mihawk/Hancock go back to normal size next chapter.
Ace definitely knows about his identity. Why else would he "owes greatly" to his mother if the said mother died right after his birth and didn't really spend any time with him.
CriminalS instead of criminal? Are we really arguing about plural in another language now? Jeez.
Hancock is obviously sitting on her snake and Mihawk is probably standing on her snake.
About the whole "BOA AND MIHAWK GREW HUGE WTF" thing…
Check out the bottom right panel here:
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/550/08-09/
You can clearly see the silhuettes of, from right to left, Kuma, Moria, Donflamingo, Mihawk and Boa - the latter two being of the same height.
The perspective is pretty accurate, as archanfel above me said.
The conversation between Garp and Ace still doesn't make sense.
No shit Ace you wouldn't have any memories of him the man is dead. Then Garp follows by saying " That guy being how he is…(dead)", is an odd seemingly purposely misleading reply by Oda.
Is there a better translation of this line? Right now I'm still going with miscarriage/different kid still out there and dragon knocked up the bitch afterwards theory.
Wonder if theres any significance to Akainu's gloves?
Check out the bottom right panel here:
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/550/08-09/You can clearly see the silhuettes of, from right to left, Kuma, Moria, Donflamingo, Mihawk and Boa - the latter two being of the same height.
Then those Marines in front must be midgets then.
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or luffy and mihawk are freakin huge too ^^
Midget marines are midgets.
No really, just a very tricky perspective.
Hancock and Mihawk are supposed to be standing ahead of that marine judging by the silhouette positions. The spread is just oddly drawn and they appear to be standing side-by-side instead of in front.
What marines? There are none visible in front of the Shichibukai in the lower right panel.
Also, here's the angle.
The Marine to the right is standing in front of Donflamingo, and he's roughly the same size as Mihawk and Boa, if she were standing upright (she's half sitting, half leaning on her snake).
PANDAMAN SPOTTED! On the last page when you get an overview of all the stunned marines, pandaman is in there.
"We have to live our lives so that we never have any regrets. One day we'll set out to sea, to live our lives the way we want. WITH MORE FREEDOM THAN ANYONE ELSE!"
What marines? There are none visible in the lower right panel.
I'm talking about the ones in the left hand corner of the spread. There's nowhere near enough distance between the closest Marine and Mihawk and Hancock for that to work without either A: the Marine's being midgets, or B: they've both magically grown like seven feet. The Marine's head should be more level with Mihawk's neck or whereabouts.
The perspective's messed up. It looks like Oda drew the Marine first, but drew him too small, and if he had kept the proper perspective proportions for the rest of the Shichibukai, they'd be too small and wouldn't fill out the page, so he just went ''screw it'' and continued on.
About the translation: Well, in Japanese, Chinenes, Vietnamese,…and some languages, when they don't use a word mean "plural" or "singular" before a nound, that noun may be either plural or singular, may be both.
I understand that, because of my language.
PANDAMAN SPOTTED! On the last page when you get an overview of all the stunned marines, pandaman is in there.
Pics or it didn't happen.
May be it is like that:
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And IMO, we should stop arguing about this thing.
PANDAMAN SPOTTED! On the last page when you get an overview of all the stunned marines, pandaman is in there.
Where @_@ They all look kind of muddy to me.
@The:
May be it is like that:
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Spot-on. End of discussion.
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