PLEASE no haki blasts. This isn't DBZ where people shoot energy at eachother. We need to make it through this manga without anyone shooting beams from their hands (unless there's a logical reason for it like Kizaru) .
Chapter 545: "To The Outside World Where The Sun Shines"
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i don't see Luffy defeating Magellan using wax, rather i think that Magellan will break through Mr. 3's wall and knock and after
- Luffy will continue his escape and someone else (Crocodile maybe?) fights Magellan or creates a diversion.
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2)Luffy fights and (eventually) defeats him
- Luffy will continue his escape and someone else (Crocodile maybe?) fights Magellan or creates a diversion.
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@Kairouseki:
PLEASE no haki blasts. This isn't DBZ where people shoot energy at eachother.
i did not think obout some haki ball or something just this atack that people lost conscious like in amazon lily or slave market
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Lol, you said "haki burst" which sounded like you wanted something like DBZ
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if Ivankov is death we won't know about croc's secret!
so I think the miracle man will rise from poison around the end of this arc.
Would it be strange not to hear about this secret anymore?
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Like i said who knows if they arent just paralyzed like BB crew, Magellan has no time to loose it would be much easier just to paralyze them and continue pursuing Luffy and company, dont assume things before they are proved wait for next week instead of spamming nonsense.
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@Kairouseki:
PLEASE no haki blasts. This isn't DBZ where people shoot energy at eachother. We need to make it through this manga without anyone shooting beams from their hands (unless there's a logical reason for it like Kizaru) .
It's not an energy beam. Just a ball of force. At least that's what I hope>.> Picture Kuma or Jimbei.
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@Thousand:
Ivankov may have been trying to finish Magellan off with his strongest attack. Unfortunately his body couldn't take the poison. Which just goes to show. No matter how strong your attack is, it's useless if you have to touch him. Iva's attack would have finished Magellan off if he could have kept it up but he couldn't. Alas.-
Which is a retarded move for somebody shown to be so smart. Oda isn't inconsistent he wouldn't just have a character act out of character for one scene to forcefully drive the plot in a certain direction. Before using his attack he revealed his makeup protected him from poison. Why would any competent fighter reveal their defense then immediately attack without it? The fight was left ambiguous for a reason.
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Frankly, Luffy will not be poisoned again or he has no chance whatsoever at saving Ace.
If he's poisoned again, according to Ivankov there will be no saving him at all, it will be worse than the first time. The first time it took how many hours for him to get up and start fighting again?
He has no time for idle bullshit like Magellen. Luffy of all people stopped attacking the man who captured his brother in the first place because even he knows he's running out of time.
If anything, Luffy is going to learn how to use gear 2 for a new purpose:
Running the fuck away.
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Which is a retarded move for somebody shown to be so smart. Oda isn't inconsistent he wouldn't just have a character act out of character for one scene to forcefully drive the plot in a certain direction. Before using his attack he revealed his makeup protected him from poison. Why would any competent fighter reveal their defense then immediately attack without it? The fight was left ambiguous for a reason.
Not really. He was taking a gamble to finish it all off rather than protract the fight. Unfortunately, it didn't pay off though it was close. You might think that delaying the fight should have been what Ivankov waned to do but that wasn't really his style (even though he tried to do so initially). Ivankov never though himself a loser trying to stall the fight and it was Magellan's words of him wasting time that finally snapped his strings where he went all "Oh, screw this!!!" and went all out.
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What else is there for him to use? Hes a melee fighter, even if an attack is super fast, he still gets poisoned. He has to have something between himself and Magellan to win. I mean look at his past battles. When he fought Oz + Moria he had all those shadows and became Nightmare Luffy. Against Crocodile R2 he used a barrel of water. I cant imagine him grabbing slabs of rocks and punching them against Magellan the whole fight. Im looking at Candle Champion or Shiryuu interrupts to kill Magellan. Plus they gotta go before the ID guards destroy the ships.
First off, again don't underestimate Luffy's creativity.
Second, there's a difference between receiving help and using a weapon. The water barrel is fair game. The shadows were an equalizer a fight between both Moria and Odz. Candle Champion isn't quite like those. Again, it's a cheap solution as it would make the fight into an immune Luffy beating Magellan with a layer of wax covering him–which isn't fun at all. Besides, Magellan can eat away at that wax. Mr. 3 isn't a counter for Magellan. Any "create and control" paramecia has the same counter to Magellan as he does. Also, this solution says never of Luffy's abilities. Any talentless muscle head could beat Magellan if Candle Champion would work. Because of this, I'm convinced that's not the solution that's supposed to happen.
That's my biggest problem with the Mr. 3 solution. It's obvious and easy, which makes it boring. There's no way Magellan is going down like that, right?
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First off, again don't underestimate Luffy's creativity.
Second, there's a difference between receiving help and using a weapon. The water barrel is fair game. The shadows were an equalizer a fight between both Moria and Odz. Candle Champion isn't quite like those. Again, it's a cheap solution as it would make the fight into an immune Luffy beating Magellan with a layer of wax covering him–which isn't fun at all. Besides, Magellan can eat away at that wax. Mr. 3 isn't a counter for Magellan. Any "create and control" paramecia has the same counter to Magellan as he does. Also, this solution says never of Luffy's abilities. Any talentless muscle head could beat Magellan if Candle Champion would work. Because of this, I'm convinced that's not the solution that's supposed to happen.
That's my biggest problem with the Mr. 3 solution. It's obvious and easy, which makes it boring. There's no way Magellan is going down like that, right?
If not Candle Champion, then wats your proposal for how he defeats him. I dont like the idea of haki instantly becoming the way to bypass everything. I believe haki allows one to hit a devil fruit by neutralizing their powers on contact, but its not like BBs ability that makes them entirely powerless. Rayleigh could kick Kizaru, but he still shot his lazer beam. Even if Magellan can be hit, i dont think it would get rid of the poison thats present on his body.
But still, Haki hasnt been entirely explained. When Luffy fought Sondersonia and Marigold, their haki abilities allowed them to predict and dogdge Luffys attacks (Sondersonia) or increase thier defense to the point attacks bounce off of them (Marigold). It also seems weapons imbued with haki can harm DF users when they normally wouldnt, (Marigolds blunt end of the spear and Rayleighs sword). Its more than likely that the snake hair possession is haki as well. these uses are similar to mantra, tekkai, and seimeikikan. Its possible that some sky island people are more closely attuned to gain predicting haki abilities, similar to how the Kuja are almost born into learning haki. The CP9 agents have been training since they were kids. Its possible that through training, they inadvertently developed techniques based on these haki techniques. Or the original rokushiki people developed techniques purposely around using haki. And seimeikikan could be somehow haki based.
Besides being bailed out by Shiryuu, who wants to see Magellan fail so he can take over and dont be returned to Level 6, wat else could happen?
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He has no time for idle bullshit like Magellen. Luffy of all people stopped attacking the man who captured his brother in the first place because even he knows he's running out of time.
If anything, Luffy is going to learn how to use gear 2 for a new purpose:
Running the fuck away.
I never actually thought of that, using Gear Second he could just whiz right out of there at top speed. Interesting
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First off, again don't underestimate Luffy's creativity.
Yes, his entire repertoire consists of "punch", "really long punch", "double punch", "lots of punches" and "giant punch"
Luffy is not a creative fighter, he only has one setting; berserker mode.
If not Candle Champion, then wats your proposal for how he defeats him.
The proposition is Luffy doesn't beat him, he runs away and/or gets caught and dragged to Marinford by a Vice Admiral.
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@Massacre:
Yes, his entire repertoire consists of "punch", "really long punch", "double punch", "lots of punches" and "giant punch"
Luffy is not a creative fighter, he only has one setting; berserker mode.
That's not true.Luffy is a very direct fighter but he has good instincts,is very agile and knows how and when to dodge.
He was able to fight on par against Lucci (the most technical fighter we have seen so far) and we saw how Oz became incredibly agile thanks to Luffy shadow.He may not use deep tactics but he does more than rush head on (though is true that he lost his cool against Magellan last time)
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@Massacre:
Yes, his entire repertoire consists of "punch", "really long punch", "double punch", "lots of punches" and "giant punch"
Luffy is not a creative fighter, he only has one setting; berserker mode.
He did invent the gears, figure out Croc's weakness, I believe Chopper mentioned during Enies Lobby that Luffy always instinctively knows who to fight. I think you might be belittling his combat ability slightly.
Also I disagree with the 'berserker mode' comment, he tried his best to be stealthy about his infiltration of Impel Down when Hancock dropped him off, he can be sneaky when he wants.
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He's not talking about combat abillty. He's talking about his movelist.
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@Massacre:
Yes, his entire repertoire consists of "punch", "really long punch", "double punch", "lots of punches" and "giant punch"
Those are Luffy's most effective and frequently used attacks. He has lots of other attacks that are very creative, but he doesn't use as often.
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GUYS, I THINK I KNOW HOW MAGELLAN WILL BE DEFEATED.
Sir Crocodile.
The reason that Crocodile hadn't made a move yet was because of Ivankov. Crocodile planned on the stupid "power of friendship" making Ivankov do something reckless that he could take advantage of. This is what Croc was waiting for. Croc could have taken out Magellan at anytime because he has a secret weapon.
Mr. 1
Mr. 1's body should be immune to Magellan's poison because his body is made of steel. Since Magellan isn't a logia he can be hit by someone who can withstand his poison. Mr. 1 is at least Zoro level in strength so he would be on par with Luffy which is only my way of saying he's not a bitch.
Once Croc hears that Ivankov was defeated expect heavy shit to go down.
Of course, his plan will thwarted because Ivan's not retarded but Croc probably has a back up in case that happens.
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GUYS, I THINK I KNOW HOW MAGELLAN WILL BE DEFEATED.
Sir Crocodile.
The reason that Crocodile hadn't made a move yet was because of Ivankov. Crocodile planned on the stupid "power of friendship" making Ivankov do something reckless that he could take advantage of. This is what Croc was waiting for. Croc could have taken out Magellan at anytime because he has a secret weapon.
Mr. 1
Mr. 1's body should be immune to Magellan's poison because his body is made of steel. Since Magellan isn't a logia he can be hit by someone who can withstand his poison. Mr. 1 is at least Zoro level in strength so he would be on par with Luffy which is only my way of saying he's not a bitch.
Once Croc hears that Ivankov was defeated expect heavy shit to go down.
Of course, his plan will thwarted because Ivan's not retarded but Croc probably has a back up in case that happens.
My only problem is that although he can turn parts of his body into blades, he's still human. I mean Luffys made of rubber which cant be poisoned but look wat happened to him. We're looking at an opponent who can take down Lvl 5 inmates with ease, and even Lvl 6 inmates. His ability is a really tricky one.
I almost forgot about Choppers comment about Luffy knowing exactly who to fight. I believe Luffy fought Magellan in the first place is because he knew there was no way to run away from him. I mean he was being chased by the hydra around all of Lvl 4 and couldnt get away from the guy.
Also, i hope to see Iva back in action soon, i miss him already
Soon to be "IvanKing"
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I'm with Zkaiser on this. Expect Mr. 1 and Croc to make some big moves
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My only problem is that although he can turn parts of his body into blades, he's still human. I mean Luffys made of rubber which cant be poisoned but look wat happened to him. We're looking at an opponent who can take down Lvl 5 inmates with ease, and even Lvl 6 inmates. His ability is a really tricky one.
I almost forgot about Choppers comment about Luffy knowing exactly who to fight. I believe Luffy fought Magellan in the first place is because he knew there was no way to run away from him. I mean he was being chased by the hydra around all of Lvl 4 and couldnt get away from the guy.
Also, i hope to see Iva back in action soon, i miss him already
I see what you're saying but Mr. 1's body IS steel that's why Zoro couldn't cut him. I was saying that he would be immune to the Hydra and any other poisons that need skin contact to work.
I also expect it to be a surprise attack.
ΩMEGA PIRATES: ? Members
Captain: Zkaiser
Status: Dejected.
Threat Level: Pink
Goal: Prove the Elemental Haki Theory
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Words cannot describe the fangasm I will have if ZKaiser's prediction comes true.
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Yeah, the fanboy in me would explode if Croc/Mr.1 stopped Magellan. I have a feeling it will be something else, but hopefully it's something more creative than Luffy throwing rocks or something.
Although never underestimate a good rock to the head.
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I see what you're saying but Mr. 1's body IS steel that's why Zoro couldn't cut him. I was saying that he would be immune to the Hydra and any other poisons that need skin contact to work.
Technically Daz Bones is a blademan, but either way your general point stays the same so no harm done.
I disagree with your suggestion though due to it not really making sense, but hey it'd at least give him some kind of purpose other than just standing there.
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It kinda makes sense. Theoretically, the Hydra poison might not be able to seep into Mr. 1's steel skin. Though he probably still has pores in his skin, so that would be out…
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There are other poisons too. Rather than aiming for fatigue through the skin, He an take advantage of the air and their vision.
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Oh yeah…I forgot Magellan has some gas attacks too... was it poison breath?... anyways ... that would surely affect Mr.1 unless he can get a mask... woot woot
I wonder how Jimbei's fishman karate will fair against Magellan? I mean that fighting style doesnt need contact right?
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Normally It does need contact, but Jimbei has shown a technique where direct contact isn't required.
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Rereading it, looks like they may reach the surface and find their without a ship to escape on. >_<
The odds are stacking up against Luffy.
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@Gia:
No. NOOO. NOOOOOOOOOO! Don't say that. Please don't say that. Oda has been hyping up fishman island since 2006, so please don't say that. We were supposed to be there after water 7 but, NOO, he gives us thriller bark (which I loved) and Sabaody(which I also loved) and NOW gives us IMPEL FUCKING DOWN (which Is my favorite arc so far). But thats not it, now we're going to Marineford, another arc which is going ( to blow my mind) take another 30 CHAPTERS, then who knows what will happen (return to sabaody? Mariejoa? Amazon Lily?)
My point is that all of this buildup and suspence has made me crazy and want to see it already!! And I don't want it to end so quickly. It BETTER be one of the BIGGEST fucking arcs EVAR:( :)lol, my bad, then you better hope Oda lets WB lose this war!
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There will be no boat on surface, but maybe Hancock will arrive with hers (and the two poisonous sea-snakes that may help against Magellan ?), or maybe Jinbei can bring something out of the sea !?
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Isnt Hancock on her way to Mariejioa? I dont think she will risk loosing her shichibukai status though… not sure... XD
Hmmm... can fishmen communicate with sea creatures like mermaids? If so maybe Jinbei can use that to their advantage... woot woot
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Excluding outside interference, which would be lame at this point. The only thing that can stop Magellan or at least delay him is the combination of Luffy and Mr.3… Gigant Tonkachi ftw, that's the only thing I can see as a viable option here in terms of actually having a measureable effect on Magellan without lots of people getting poisoned. Although Jinbei & co may need to draw his attention for a sec in order for them to pull it off.
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We can blindfold ourselves as much as we want…truth be told haki can save the day if we want to or not...its ODAs move
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Although it wasn't specifically what I was referring to I would classify Haki as outside interference at this point and consider it lame… maybe once they get closer towards Ace but to just whip it out here after Magellan made his way past BB like he did would kind of cheapen this whole incident from my perspective. Plus while we know Luffy has a strong type of Haki I would like to think he'd have to learn at least a bit about how to use it and what it is before he's able to to take out someone on Magellan's level with Haki, and since Magellan isn't a logia it isn't really a neccesity in this situation.
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It's time for luffy to shine. There is no way aces life means more to luffy than all the others who die in ID just to help luffy escape!!!
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@Massacre:
Yes, his entire repertoire consists of "punch", "really long punch", "double punch", "lots of punches" and "giant punch"
Luffy is not a creative fighter, he only has one setting; berserker mode…
I see you forget the batch of hilarious and creative moves he used against Enel on the arc.
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I see what you're saying but Mr. 1's body IS steel that's why Zoro couldn't cut him. I was saying that he would be immune to the Hydra and any other poisons that need skin contact to work.
I also expect it to be a surprise attack.
i said this before but i say it again:
mr.1's skin can be poison resistant as much as it wants, but mr.1 still has to breathe and therefore he's just as doomed against magellan as anyone else (maybe a little less though). -
The next thing we know Mr 1 will probably have steel lungs that can force out the poison and accepts oxygen for him to breath….
I cant believe i said that.
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We can blindfold ourselves as much as we want…truth be told haki can save the day if we want to or not...its ODAs move
Haki is as logical as devil fruits are ! There is an reason for DF and their powers, there is an reason for water and seastone to nullify DF powers, surely there is a reason for haki.
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Oh i'm loving this thread. I actually hope every single one of your predictions are wrong. I find them all to be good and would be happy with almost any one of them. But then it would also feel like Oda is losing his touch if one of these scenerios is used. Though i know someone will get it, since basically every one there has been mentioned and even the escape prediction has been mentioned, i hope it doesn't go as you all said. Well that's all i have to say.
Oh wait lied one more thing. I don't think Magellans poison will melt Mr. 3's wax. might break it down, or just go around it. But not melt.
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GUYS, I THINK I KNOW HOW MAGELLAN WILL BE DEFEATED.
Sir Crocodile.
The reason that Crocodile hadn't made a move yet was because of Ivankov. Crocodile planned on the stupid "power of friendship" making Ivankov do something reckless that he could take advantage of. This is what Croc was waiting for. Croc could have taken out Magellan at anytime because he has a secret weapon.
Mr. 1
Mr. 1's body should be immune to Magellan's poison because his body is made of steel. Since Magellan isn't a logia he can be hit by someone who can withstand his poison. Mr. 1 is at least Zoro level in strength so he would be on par with Luffy which is only my way of saying he's not a bitch.
Once Croc hears that Ivankov was defeated expect heavy shit to go down.
Of course, his plan will thwarted because Ivan's not retarded but Croc probably has a back up in case that happens.
Magellan's bowels become lose, he farts and fumigates Mr 1 with poisonous anal vapour.
@Thousand:
I see you forget the batch of hilarious and creative moves he used against Enel on the arc.
Yes, I forget to include "giant-ball-of-death punch" and "lots of punches bouncing of a wall".
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Just went through the rest of the thread looking at other peoples ideas for the wax and none make any sense to me.
Candleman makes Luffy overly bulky while really only providing what would end up as simply a light coat of protection. I'm sure Magellan's poison could erode the suit in no time.
Even with candle lock I don't feel like Luffy can hurt Magellan with any single strike gear 2 move, and multiple strikes like jet gatling would put the candle lock in jeopardy and get Luffy's hands poisoned. Luffy can't afford any kind of prolonged fighting.
As such the combo of mr.3 and gear 3 is the only logical solution. If Jinbei and Croc can keep Magellan distracted it will work.
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@Massacre:
Yes, his entire repertoire consists of "punch", "really long punch", "double punch", "lots of punches" and "giant punch"
And his numerous kicks. And his headbutts. And how he inflates his stomach to deflect attacks. And how he uses his rubbery internal organs to increase his metabolism and make himself faster. What other part of his body does Luffy have to utilize to count as a "creative fighter"? His ears?
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And his numerous kicks. And his headbutts. And how he inflates his stomach to deflect attacks. And how he uses his rubbery internal organs to increase his metabolism and make himself faster. What other part of his body does Luffy have to utilize to count as a "creative fighter"? His ears?
Hahaha I was waiting for this.
Way to miss the point, and since when were headbutts and kicks "creative"? They are the definition of ugly no-holds-barred street brawling.
Gear 2 was a magical power-up as stated by the author, there was no logical thought process or creativity to it.
Luffy is an intelligent fighter, but he's not creative.
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@Massacre:
Hahaha I was waiting for this.
Way to miss the point, and since when were headbutts and kicks "creative"? They are the definition of ugly no-holds-barred street brawling.
Gear 2 was a magical power-up as stated by the author, there was no logical thought process or creativity to it.
Luffy is an intelligent fighter, but he's not creative.
What a killjoy, I can't believe the Enel example didn't convince you. The point is, Luffy can create a new offense to suit his situation. Yes, it'll always involve punches but that's not quite the point.
-Against Kuro, he used a rock to catch Kuro's claws and get an attack off of him.
-Remember Luffy's fish themed moves against Arlong?
-Croc is a great example! In the infamous "second round," Luffy tricked Croc into letting his guard down by seemingly using the same attack over and over. While this alone didn't beat Croc, for the rest of the fight Croc's ability to predict attacks was shot.
-With Enel, I'd like to point out Luffy did invent the Luffy "boh" technique.
-With Lucci, I guess his invention of gear 2 and 3 is something.
-And with Moria….well, I guess he just used the same moves he previously learned. Hey, Luffy hasn't actually shown us anything new since Enies Lobby! We're overdue!
But yeah, that is my point. When backed into a corner, Luffy can change his offense to suit his opponent. I dunno, maybe I'm thinking of the same thing, when I'm thinking "creative" you're thinking "intelligent." Still, there's a bunch of ways to hurt Magellan without touching him. Here's how I think the fight will go:
Luffy beats on Magellan with the environment, using stone and cages and stuff-> eventually Magellan turns things around by melting everything->then, in the end, Luffy finally uses haki in some fashion to end the fight. Sad truth is, if haki could make Luffy a normal human when being hit then it can make Magellan a normal, non poisonous human when being hit.
Lol@ Mr. 1
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Everyone is hoping that Luffy would use haki in this arch,but he is not in a tight spot right now,he has a lot of supporters.I think Oda would save the dramatic haki moment to the marines HQ or maybe the sea battle to save Ace.
If Luffy starts using haki everytime he is in danger to magically defeat all his enemies it's going to turn boring pretty soon.
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@Massacre:
Gear 2 was a magical power-up as stated by the author, there was no logical thought process or creativity to it.
I don't remember this. SBS? Interview? I thought I had them all. Maybe I overlooked one. Care to pull it up?
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Isnt creativity the ability to make up something? Luffy does think of how he can solve a problem.
Examples:
- He drank a barell of water to counter croc's DF
- Used a mindless state to counter enel's mantra
Although they were not that successful, thinking about this countermeasures tells us that he is at least capable of making up of something to solve his problems which can also be called creativity.
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