Im thinking the obvious cure is that someone has a devil-fruit that counteract the poison!!! The okama king is of course the "miracle man" and he is supposedly on level 5 so im guessing this is looking the most likely option!!
Chapter 535 "Buddy" Discussion
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I'm glad Oda didn't drag on this fight. The way it was happened to be epic enough to satisfy me for the long week ahead (this was my first time waiting for a chapter) and now there's a lot more to speculate. I've got to say though, Mr. 2 has my total respect now, on the off chance he didn't have it before. I love him as a character; I could definitely put up with him as a nakama, though I doubt that'll happen.
There's definitely going to be some sort of upheaval in Impel Down, but not a full-blown riot. Though this is a shonen series, it's about PIRATES. At least half of them are going to want to escape than to die for Luffy to save his brother, who will definitely last through this arc.
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So, will Benny find Luffy in a half-dead state and take him to Iwa-san?
Mr.2 Bon Kurei: Is…is he dead?
Iwa-san: No. If he was dead, I couldn't do anything for him. Lucky for you, and luckier for him, he's just mostly dead.
This will of course come back up when Luffy regains consciousness.
Luffy: Hu-h..How long have I been…uhhh..
Buggy: An ass?
Galdino: An idiot?
Bentham: (Kicks Buggy and Galdino) Unconscious? About two hours, dearie.
Luffy: (Tries to move, unsuccessfully.) Hey, why can't I move?
Buggy: (Rubs head) Whaddya expect? You've been mostly dead the whole afternoon.
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Poison frozen = Luffy frozen = Not good, especially since the poison
is circulating in his blood. Instant death before the 24 hours limit.Mushroom's poison neutralizing Magellan's poison makes no sense. Why would that happen? The two poisons share nothing similar (most probably).
Anyway in general I see a lot of confusion about "poison". As I said in another thread, poison isn't a thing per se: "Everything is poison, there is poison in everything. Only the dose makes a thing not a poison." - Paracelsus.
For example I usually see "poison" mistaken for "acid", they are not the same thing: there are acids that are poisonous but not all are.
I think Iwa-san is the answer. They free him and casually he has exactly the DF needed to help Luffy.
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oh ok so after this chapter, Magellan has gone through his "secluded room", a chance for Bentham,Buggy and Mr.3 to cure/free SH.
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Mushroom's poison neutralizing Magellan's poison makes no sense. Why would that happen? The two poisons share nothing similar (most probably).
Well, it could aid to develop antibodies against poison. Of course not in a way that he's imune against it but at least that far that it won't kill him. Of course in real life it doesn't happen that quick (especially not with different kinds of poison) but in a manga world it doesn't have to be that complicated.
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the ending of this chapter felt fairy tailish for me…
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how about my theory of crocodile using his power to dry out luffy and getting rid of the poison that way? sure luffy would probably be on the brink of death that way but all mr 2 has to do is get luffy some water and he should survive. crocodile also has some knowledge of poisons so he should know what to do.
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@Fire Fist:
…Good chapter, good chapter. It's pretty much cemented Ace and the others being in Level 6, though. Question is, why is level 6 seemingly tame compared to the crazy levels before it?
Because everyone on level six is a haki user, so there is no torture they can't overcome :ninja:
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how about my theory of crocodile using his power to dry out luffy and getting rid of the poison that way? sure luffy would probably be on the brink of death that way but all mr 2 has to do is get luffy some water and he should survive. crocodile also has some knowledge of poisons so he should know what to do.
But that would require either a) getting Crocodile to Luffy or b) getting Luffy to Crocodile. Both seem unlikely since a) would mean that Bentham & Co are already in front of Ace in which case they could free him already (what I don't see happening since it's Luffy's job) and b) would indicate that Bentham & Co. would have to carry around a near dead Luffy to the next level which would mean Luffy would sit out the toughest part of Impel Down.
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But that would require either a) getting Crocodile to Luffy or b) getting Luffy to Crocodile. Both seem unlikely since a) would mean that Bentham & Co are already in front of Ace in which case they could free him already (what I don't see happening since it's Luffy's job) and b) would indicate that Bentham & Co. would have to carry around a near dead Luffy to the next level which would mean Luffy would sit out the toughest part of Impel Down.
and C) Crocodile would have to do a complete change of character and save the life of the person he hates most.
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Wonder how Luffy's going to get out of this one. What happened to the real Hannyabal?
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Well, it could aid to develop antibodies against poison. Of course not in a way that he's imune against it but at least that far that it won't kill him. Of course in real life it doesn't happen that quick (especially not with different kinds of poison) but in a manga world it doesn't have to be that complicated.
That wouldn't work even if it was the same poison (which is not the case): poisons aren't a "virus" (no bacteria involved), so you don't develop antibodies.
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Damn, hate to see Luffy lose like that but I cant deny it. I liked seeing Magellan showing off his abilities. After one hit from Jet Bazooka and he got used to fighting Luffy, although I can bet the poisoned hands helped. Cant believe his "Poison Blowfish" move could withstand Jet moves so well and he kept up with Luffy's speed pretty well.
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Wonder how Luffy's going to get out of this one. What happened to the real Hannyabal?
I'm asking myself the same question…Don't think he actually beat him, since Bentham didn't looked injured or worn out by battle too much.
I'm pretty sure he tricked Hannyabal by transforming into a superior and we will laugh our asses of about it in a couple of chapters
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That wouldn't work even if it was the same poison (which is not the case): poisons aren't a "virus" (no bacteria involved), so you don't develop antibodies.
why not, poison (venom is more appropriate) is a toxin which can be a bacteria
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Poison frozen = Luffy frozen = Not good, especially since the poison
is circulating in his blood. Instant death before the 24 hours limit.Mushroom's poison neutralizing Magellan's poison makes no sense. Why would that happen? The two poisons share nothing similar (most probably).
Anyway in general I see a lot of confusion about "poison". As I said in another thread, poison isn't a thing per se: "Everything is poison, there is poison in everything. Only the dose makes a thing not a poison." - Paracelsus.
For example I usually see "poison" mistaken for "acid", they are not the same thing: there are acids that are poisonous but not all are.
I think Iwa-san is the answer. They free him and casually he has exactly the DF needed to help Luffy.
I think that the common conception of poison, as classified traditionally, would be things such as venom, noxious gas, nerve agents, and the like. Coincidentally tolerance and even immunity can in fact come from surviving previous exposure. For venom in particular this is true, and it's also venom which has an antidote. Because magellen said it's coursing through his veins and implied that if he didn't have so much exposure to it, an antidote could have saved him, we can safely assume venom is what's KILLING him, there's a reason it took the form of a serpent.
You CAN build up antibodies for venom, a resilliance to it, and in some cases even an immunity to various venom.
That said, Oda is not a man of science or highly technical rational explanation, so if he has a resilliance to the poison it likely will be attributed to his previous two exposures to poison, and to the okama queen performing a miracle.
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That wouldn't work even if it was the same poison (which is not the case): poisons aren't a "virus" (no bacteria involved), so you don't develop antibodies.
Virus' don't really involve bacteria though, so I have no idea what you're talking about.
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But that would require either a) getting Crocodile to Luffy or b) getting Luffy to Crocodile. Both seem unlikely since a) would mean that Bentham & Co are already in front of Ace in which case they could free him already (what I don't see happening since it's Luffy's job) and b) would indicate that Bentham & Co. would have to carry around a near dead Luffy to the next level which would mean Luffy would sit out the toughest part of Impel Down.
i wouldn't doubt luffy being out of commission for a while. that would also include not being the one who saves ace. also this arc is not going to end with the escape of ace and jimbei. oda might be saving luffy for a later fight and he also might end up joining the war. you never know magellan might be called up to fight in the war if the marines lose a lot of fighters or whitebeard will start the war at impel down and then magellan might join in and then have his rematch against luffy.
and C) Crocodile would have to do a complete change of character and save the life of the person he hates most.
well mr 2 can persuade crocodile into saving luffy by offering him freedom. crocodile knows that whitebeard is probably going to die in this upcoming war and that might motivate him to continue his dream to become pirate king.
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Didn't crocodile resign himself to being a prisoner in that coverstory?
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Didn't crocodile resign himself to being a prisoner in that coverstory?
yes but then you later see that his dream is to become pirate king. plus he seemed excited to know there is a chance to take down whitebeard. thats why i said the news of whitebeards battle might of moved him to want to try and become pirate king again.
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I seriously wonder how Luffy is going to fair after this.
Not only physically, but mentally as well.
I mean… Getting his ass handed to him... Twice in a week... Then realizing that if he makes it out of there alive, the New world is going to be just as tough if not harder.
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Nice chap. Luffy got one of those complete defeats reminds me of when Aokiji cooled him off.
I hope he doesn't beat him in some hax manner or some other method I'd dislike. I'd like to see something calculated masked by coincidence and happenstance.
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To all those saying Croc might suck the poison out of Luffy….stranger things have happened. While it's generally against Croc's character, their are a few reasons (that possibly benefit Croc) for him to save Luffy's life.
Of course, I like the idea of Iwa being the healer of Luffy a little better.
@Zik:
Nice chap. Luffy got one of those complete defeats reminds me of when Aokiji cooled him off.
I hope he doesn't beat him in some hax manner or some other method I'd dislike. I'd like to see something calculated masked by coincidence and happenstance.
Aw….when has Luffy ever done something like that?
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Actually it's Level 5 (there are only 5) and it's more mellow because it's the freezing hell. So everyone can't move around as well when they're near frozen. When you think about it though, it's the perfect place to keep "Fire-Fist Ace". I hope that Ace-san and Luffy get reunited soon!!
There's 6 levels. 5 ones known, and the 6th "Unknown" level, where the world's worst criminals are kept; those that were said to be forgotten by time. With the way things are, it's pretty apparent they'd need to lock Ace and Jimbei down where they have no hope of escape.
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speaking of level 5 is this not level 5?
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Since it seems like Ace, Jimbei and Croc are not on lvl 5 the freezing hell and in fact on lvl 6 I guess the WG/marines put Croc there so that he could be forgotten along with his goal of attaining the acient weapons?
I can understand Ace being there temporarily since his execution is coming up but I'd have to assume all defecting shichi literally get wiped out of existence(basically taken in to the darkness until completely forgotten).
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Why would crocodile suck the poison ?
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guy's it's quite clear that after some of the poison got in it valcanised the outer laer of his skin then a bit of haki dribbled out and nutrilised the small amout of poison inside
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i'm confused, if lvl 5 was a "freeze hell"
then where's the place Ace is located? it's certinly not freezing in there
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oh I just have read this chapter….it's pure awesome...last week I'm worried that's Luffy will lost to magellan,,,but I hope he will come out will brillian move[just like a shonen protagonist ways],,,but now…sigh....he's like a melted person...getting beaten again...but I can understand cuz Magellan is man who can shut up sichibukai level prisoner so easily...we didn't even have Luffy act funny...he's just so desperate[just like me seeing him :(]…now the story just become more interesting...we can come up with new possibilities to discuss...I'm bored with the recent discuss....
and now we have level 5 "freezing hell"....wow getting sentence to death is better than being a prisoner in ID...ahh I can't wait for the next saturday..... -
i wonder if oda will do the same with luffy like toriyama with son-goku at the muscle tower(is this the right one?)? Magellan said that there is no way that you can survive with this much poison…maybe there is a way but that only the one with the strongest will can manage it because there is so much pain behind the antidote...if it is not now and yet then i would like it to find something similar in the future of one piece
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That wouldn't work even if it was the same poison (which is not the case): poisons aren't a "virus" (no bacteria involved), so you don't develop antibodies.
What if they are the same poison? Or if it's a mutatet form of it? All I'm saying is that in a manga universe you can twist it around with manga explenations that would never work in the real world. I'm not a die hard supporter of that theory. I just think that it isn't impossible, though unlikely to happen.
i wouldn't doubt luffy being out of commission for a while. that would also include not being the one who saves ace. also this arc is not going to end with the escape of ace and jimbei. oda might be saving luffy for a later fight and he also might end up joining the war. you never know magellan might be called up to fight in the war if the marines lose a lot of fighters or whitebeard will start the war at impel down and then magellan might join in and then have his rematch against luffy.
If anybody else from Luffy's group but Luffy himself rescues Ace it would ruin the entire build up. Oda is not that bad of a storyteller to make that happen. I mean I still think that Luffy will fail, but I don't think that one of the guys that accompany Luffy will succeed. Rather I think one of the big players like Dragon or Newgate will manage to rescue him in the end. But Buggy or the others? No chance in hell? It would go against One Piece has been established to be.
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Atfer reading the chapters here are my thughts:
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It was displayed better the resistance Luffy gave then originally thought after seeing spoilers
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Ace is definitely on level 6 or lower (if there are lower levels)
The option of him being on level 5 has finally faded when we saw the two guards.
Guards on each level have their special theme going by the conditions that reside there. So on level 4 we saw them in some devil suits, on level 5 we see them in eskimo clothing and on level where Ace is they are "normal" like on level 1 and 2 meaning he is not on level 4 or 5 thus being on level 6 or lower
Its not really an opinion but more like a logical deduction now…
Nice act from Bon Clay but the problematic thing for me is if Hanybal is really willing to screw up this much just to get the wardens seat, thats a bit too much and not a good argument imo...
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Man Bon Kurei just keeps getting cooler. I hope he, Buggy, and Mr.3 succeed in saving Luffy, but even if they do, I guess the poison will still kill him. Seems like Luffy is screwed. Luffy fought hard though. I was sure that he was gonna be Magellan when I read the last chapter. Still, I think Luffy losing is a good thing. It shows that there are a lot of people stronger than him. Maybe all the losing he's been doing will make him think more about rushing head first into battle. I can't wait until next week to see what Oda is going to do.
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What I like about him losing actually is that I'm sure he'll defeat Magellan himself before this arc is over. I mean Luffy had lots of opponents that were either a) strong but not totally superior and thus defeated or b) totally superior and still far beyond Luffy's level (like Kuzan, Kuma or Borsalino). However the only far superior dude Luffy actually defeated by himself in the end is still Crocodile. Rucchi while being also a very strong opponent is not the same on that matter. In the first round against Rucchi Luffy was a) still not fully determined because of the entire Robin development and b) he couldn't go all out because he could drag in everyone else that was there. Against Crocodile however he was fully determined and went all out at the first round already. And I think that right now, we're finally having the same thing with Magellan too, which I'd greatly appreciate. It's about time that Luffy again surpasses an opponent he lost against in a serious fight.
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mr. 2 completely rocked in this chapter! Is it possible he'd act like hannybal and order someone to bring him a antidote. I can almost imagine there being a antidote being held somewhere for emergencies or some other thing.
As for crocodile to suck the poison out, for me that would just be too much out of character, unless he gets something in return. I think the solution might be something completely different that would surprise us all.
Next chapter starts off with "2 years later" gasps all around timejump??!! >_< xD
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After last week's disappointment I can confidently say I thoroughly enjoyed this chapter.
The vulcanization theory doesn't make much sense to me because it isn't just heat that is required to vulcanize rubber, I believe it is the presence of sulfur in some form as well.
I guess you could argue that maybe Magellan hit Luffy with some sulfuric acid (the melting)…but that would be a little...hmm, not exactly deus ex machina but more in the sense for saving the main character, lol. It would remind me of the lightning bolt in Loguetown.
As for Ace, didn't they directly say they were going to Level 5 when miss Hebi was going down there?
It would disappoint me if the "big secret" of level 6 was just criminals lke Ace, Crocodile and Kimbei =/
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a bit afraid this will drag though…
The rescue the three will be doing will be a long one at least 3 chapters imo. Not saying it wont be funny and interesting just as far as the wait goes it will be a bit painfull
We should get each chapter them making progress as they try to rescue him and each chapter revealing something going on on 5th floor or somewhere else...am asuming next chapter will show how sengoku is pleased everything is settled and perhaps saying some last words to Akainu or whoever before he departs to escort FF Ace -
Great chapter, man I'm starting to feel bad for Luffy, all these loses in a row must be hurting him, and with that hurting he will deal massive pain to all those that have defeated him recentley with a new awesome technique, hopefully…
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Whatever happens now, Luffy won't fully recover before the execution. It doesn't mean that Ace will be killed (Oda never kills does he ?), but Luffy surely will not be the one to save him.
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As for Ace, didn't they directly say they were going to Level 5 when miss Hebi was going down there?
Nope, it was never said what level Ace was being kept. But something's fishy about it since Oda never reveals the number while showing us on a map there there is something below Level 5. If it would just be Level 6 then there'd actually be no reason for keeping things secret since it's the most plausible assumption people would come up with.
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I dont think anyone mentioned this but Bon clay touched the chief, so he has an edge of getting supreme power and ordering the guards around. I think this will play a huge part of getting luffy out.
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Well, with Ace asking "What is going on upstairs?", we at least know he's somewhere below lvl 4.
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I dont think anyone mentioned this but Bon clay touched the chief, so he has an edge of getting supreme power and ordering the guards around. I think this will play a huge part of getting luffy out.
Doesn't he need to touch his face though? True enough, his hand was pretty close to do so, so perhaps it happened between the panels.
Anyways sounds like a good idea. Magellan just went to the "sealed place" so Bentham should have a certain amount of time to move freely if your guess is correct.
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does anyone else think that luffy might go berserk (DBZ-supersaian style) very soon. I mean, he couldn't save any of his nakama and true, they are not dead, but just might have been and Luffy couldn't do shit and with that fresh in his memory he goes and rescue his brother from execution and fails miserably again. True, it was a nice effort, but again there was someone who didn't have any trouble defeating him and preventing him to save one of his loved ones. I really think he is going to go mad ones he is released from the poison probably by iwa or mr 2. . .
Also, I still think that gear 2 might have been the thing that has kept a lot of poison out of Luffy. I am not saying he was not affected because, obviously, he was, but perhaps less because the steam might have prevented some of the poison to enter. . .
and perhaps, now the poison that is still on him and slowly wants to creep in his body is freezing, it will not contaminate his body too muchAnyway, these are a lot of perhapses :D
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was it mentioned iwa was in lvl 5? or in the same lvl as Ace?