Whitebeard vs World Government*
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The War With Whitebeard
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Yes, I see that too. White Beard has just damn many powerful fighters, but more as an admiral is in my opinion, only WB but against 16 Division's captain, together with what I know how many types of supernova-level-pirates it is even hard for the admirals. Rockstar was a beginner in Shank's Crew, who knows how many people with a bounty of over 100 million White Beard has.
3 Admirals - 9 Vice-Admiral - Mihawk - Black Beard - Doflamingo - Moria - Smoker - Kuma - Hancock (maybe) - Sengoku (maybe)
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White Beard - Marco - Jozu - 14 strong Captains and damned many other strong pirates
I think you can in this war, only the elite that has no name Marines must leave, but I think the Navy has the upper hand. The Strongest are 3 Admirals, Mihawk and Blackbeard in my opinion. And on the other Side Whitebeard, Marco and Jozu.
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WB may be super strong. If the admirals aren't able to take down at least marco then there is no meaning for them i mean common we're talking about the fighting elite that is the last hope for the marines. They must be super strong. They might not be able to stop WB but marco shouldn't be a real problem. We're highly speculating here with no facts but from the feeling i got i would say that the admirals are somewhere between WBs and Marcos level.
Why assume Marco is so much weaker than WB? So it makes more sense to you that WB is so strong because he can solo 1 or all 3 Admirals than his presumed first mate being able to handle at least one?
What makes them any less Elite because the worlds strongest man's Zoro can fight one of them on equal terms?
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He isn't so much weaker. You're saying that because you think the admirals are so weak. Which i don't!!! Marco WB and the admirals are imo super strong. The admirals won't be admirals if they can't handle marco (that's my speculation). They might be slightly above marcos level. But WB would still be the strongest.
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Whitebeard is going down in this war.
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He isn't so much weaker. You're saying that because you think the admirals are so weak. Which i don't!!! Marco WB and the admirals are imo super strong. The admirals won't be admirals if they can't handle marco (that's my speculation). They might be slightly above marcos level. But WB would still be the strongest.
Where are you getting this from?
You didn't address a single thing I asked. What makes them "Not Admirals" because Marco could fight one as well as Rayleigh did?
Whitebeard is going down in this war.
Much easier than we think if WB's presumed strongest fighter is just slightly stronger than Ace.
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also they have sengoku who must also be extremely powerful for being a former admiral of the time of gold roger. And they have a lot of powerful vice-admirals too. And moves like the buster call with which they could sink wb's ships, but i doubt they will use this.
And the shichibukai are damn powerful too, from what we saw. And 5 (maybe 6) of them will fight.- bb defeated ace, the captain of wb's second division, without serious wounds
- mihawk was on a par with shanks, a yonkou, when shanks still had both hands.
- moria could battle kaidou
- and we saw how strong kuma is
i think that in a straight confrontaion of both groups, wb is no big deal for the marines, but if the other yonkous or other powerful pirates from the new world or even the revolutionaries are backing him up, they must to focus all their forces
edit: on top of that the WG are probable much more organized than the pirates. and we all know why rome dominated the Classical antiquity
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Where are you getting this from?
You didn't address a single thing I asked. What makes them "Not Admirals" because Marco could fight one as well as Rayleigh did?
Imo marco would go down if he fights one admiral. It's just that i think it would be inappropriate for him to win against one of the top tiers of the marines. Admirals should be able to compete directly with the yonkous. And WB will face 3 of them. As strong as Marco might be i don't see him being able to take down one admiral. If the first mate of the world strongest man is able to take one admiral down then WB would wipe all the marines in this war. Unless you're speculating that BB will be the one who will stop the WB pirates alone and thus save the marines.
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Imo marco would go down if he fights one admiral. It's just that i think it would be inappropriate for him to win against one of the top tiers of the marines. Admirals should be able to compete directly with the yonkous. And WB will face 3 of them. As strong as Marco might be i don't see him being able to take down one admiral. If the first mate of the world strongest man is able to take one admiral down then WB would wipe all the marines in this war. Unless you're speculating that BB will be the one who will stop the WB pirates alone and thus save the marines.
Yeah coz we know what Marco's powers are and what the 1 admiral who's powers we also haven't see are.
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Yeah coz we know what Marco's powers are and what the 1 admiral who's powers we also haven't see are.
If you think that this thread is only based on facts then you are wrong here :)
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If you think that this thread is only based on facts then you are wrong here :)
I never said or thought it was, but comparing characters fighting power and ability without knowing what one of theirs even is seems pretty pointless to me.
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What you're saying makes no sense. If Marco can't take on at least one Admiral then the only way WB's fleet would be as big a threat as the likes of Garp&Sengoku are making them out to be is WB himself can easily take on all 3 and still be able to keep on fighting.
One guy(Marco) holding off Aokiji still leaves Dozu handling Kuma or Moria hoping Division commanders 5-10 aren't getting owned off camera by Kizaru and a handful of VAs while Teach fights WB with Mihawk, Sengoku, Akainu, and Garp still on standbye and Smoker, Hina, other Commodores&RA, Boa, and Don flamingo owning every other Division captain. Far from a stream roll because Marco is so strong.
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From what I've know so far:
4 yonkou = 7 shichibukais + World GovernmentIf all 7 shicibukais are gather and its onli for WB, seems like with a little help from the WG it should be enough. However it seems like the WG are at their limits and they dont want another upcoming major battle. Probably like if Shanks or someone else strong interfers or something?
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Whitebeard's crew has 16 Divisions, and 100 pirates in each division, giving him a total of 1600 crew members. Each Division is led by a Division Leader, i.e Marco or Ace. Ace is the 2nd Division Commander and was strong enough to fight Jimbei to near death, so in the past they were equal. Whitebeard and Rogers crew were considered rivals and possibly fought evenly with one another. Guys, if Rayleigh, the 1st Mate of Roger, could fight on par with an admiral, then WB's crew has got to have a Division Leader close to them. Whitebeard himself is still considered the Strongest Man in The World, and its said he hasnt lost any strength since he was in his prime. Even with 1 Fleet Admiral, 3 Admirals, multiple Vice Admirals, the Shichibukai, and an uncountable number of grunt marines, Whitebeard's power and his crew's power can not be ignored.
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From what I've know so far:
4 yonkou = 7 shichibukais + World GovernmentIf all 7 shicibukais are gather and its onli for WB, seems like with a little help from the WG it should be enough. However it seems like the WG are at their limits and they dont want another upcoming major battle. Probably like if Shanks or someone else strong interfers or something?
The MHQ definitely the stronger Group, than the shichibukai :P
Grand Times: 4 Yonkous = MHQ = Shichibukai
Later Garp said: The Marines are not able to take down two legends at the same Time
And now the whole WG-Power is needed to take down 1 (!) Yonkou …This is really shitty, like Oda repeatedly contradicts.
I hope Whitebeard gets pwaned, we are not in Dragonball!
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Imo marco would go down if he fights one admiral. It's just that i think it would be inappropriate for him to win against one of the top tiers of the marines. Admirals should be able to compete directly with the yonkous. And WB will face 3 of them. As strong as Marco might be i don't see him being able to take down one admiral. If the first mate of the world strongest man is able to take one admiral down then WB would wipe all the marines in this war. Unless you're speculating that BB will be the one who will stop the WB pirates alone and thus save the marines.
in order for whitebeard to be that big of a threat then his top 2 guys must at least possess power greater than the admirals. why would the world government fear whitebeard so much if he was the only guy stronger than an admiral? if that was the case then they would of gone after whitebeard and the other emperors a long time ago with all the marine forces and the shichibukai. if admirals can go 1 on 1 with emperors then the emperors aren't a serious threat at all. the world government only decided to challenge whitebeard after they had one of his top 2 guys imprisoned. you really think sengoku would be sweating if the 3 admirals could easily match up with whitebeard and his top guys?
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in order for whitebeard to be that big of a threat then his top 2 guys must at least possess power greater than the admirals. why would the world government fear whitebeard so much if he was the only guy stronger than an admiral? if that was the case then they would of gone after whitebeard and the other emperors a long time ago with all the marine forces and the shichibukai. if admirals can go 1 on 1 with emperors then the emperors aren't a serious threat at all. the world government only decided to challenge whitebeard after they had one of his top 2 guys imprisoned. you really think sengoku would be sweating if the 3 admirals could easily match up with whitebeard and his top guys?
Admiral > Marco (not easily but Iam sure an admiral would win)
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1600 Guys with Supernova-Level and higher are the real problem, not Whitebeard or Marco istself. The high number of strong Pirates whitebeard leads are the reason why Sengoku is sweating and nervous.
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I look at it this way to get a indication of how strong whitebeard is. Silvers "Dark King" Rayleigh was on par with a admiral. Granted he even stated he wishes he was younger then he would have been able to fight an admiral and still help the strawhats fight a Warlord and Sentumaro. Guessing whitbeard is higher then Dark king was in his prime currently.
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@Kuma:
Admiral > Marco (not easily but Iam sure an admiral would win)
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1600 Guys with Supernova-Level and higher are the real problem, not Whitebeard or Marco istself. The high number of strong Pirates whitebeard leads are the reason why Sengoku is sweating and nervous.
Rockstar was only an new Member and a Rookie in Shanks Crew, so we can probably imagine what powerful big Crew WB has!not really since we saw how easily kizaru handled the supernova's. the 1st mate of all the emperors must at least possess power big enough to surpass an admiral in order for them to be truly feared. the world government wouldn't have a problem matching the rest of whitebeards crew. the top guys are the ones who are the real threat.
I look at it this way to get a indication of how strong whitebeard is. Silvers "Dark King" Rayleigh was on par with a admiral. Granted he even stated he wishes he was younger then he would have been able to fight an admiral and still help the strawhats fight a Warlord and Sentumaro. Guessing whitbeard is higher then Dark king was in his prime currently.
you should compare rayleigh to marco since they fall under the same category. not only that but whitebeard has been fighting and getting stronger since his days with roger. if what oda says is true and whitebeard still hasn't lost any of his strength then he is probably a bigger threat today then he was during his days fighting roger.
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@Kuma:
Admiral > Marco (not easily but Iam sure an admiral would win)
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1600 Guys with Supernova-Level and higher are the real problem, not Whitebeard or Marco istself. The high number of strong Pirates whitebeard leads are the reason why Sengoku is sweating and nervous.
Rockstar was only an new Member and a Rookie in Shanks Crew, so we can probably imagine what powerful big Crew WB has!You really think there are 1600 Luffy's or even Franky's in WB's crew? 1600 hundred dudes comparable to CP9 members(strongest assassins in OP history) in one crew? Your low level fodder WB member can probably handle a fighter comparable to the 200 "Elite Fighters" sent after the SH during the buster call or Enies Lobby special units, but SN level no way.
I'd be surprised if Divison commander 16 could do more than equal Sanji. Shanks knocked out dozens of WB's crew with his Haki, while Kidd&Laws crews survived Rayleigh's burst. Makes more sense even the guy who felt feint from Rayleighs burst is tougher than your average fodder soldier in WB's crew than Rayleigh's Haki is multitudes weaker than Shank's.
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not really since we saw how easily kizaru handled the supernova's. the 1st mate of all the emperors must at least possess power big enough to surpass an admiral in order for them to be truly feared. the world government wouldn't have a problem matching the rest of whitebeards crew. the top guys are the ones who are the real threat.
Mmm, Ace is definitely weaker than an Admiral. Aokiji has it'S DF at least 20 Years, Ace ~3. So I Didn't think that Marco is stronger, I think he can mess with one, but he would go down…
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Couldn't AoKiji just see their boats coming and freeze them or break them from a distance, then the whole fleet of Whitebeards has to swim over to where ever the hell land is, meanwhile being bombarded by bombs and attacks and shit.
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And silvers rayleigh seems to be older than marco? Unless marco doesn't age i would say that he hasn't the experience of Rayleigh. And you guys are saying i'm downrating marco but you are also downrating the admirals :) If marco is able to take down and admiral then it would be too easy for WB. He may hold one of them and then go down but that won't change the fact that i think he will loose against one of them only to prove that the admirals are the top fighters of the marines and that even the captain of the first division doesn't have a chance against them :) The problem with the admirals is that they are 3 and they have a lot of stuff to do. It's not like they're sitting the whole day and are bored. Also if the government is afraid of taking down a yonkou then they won't send the admirals in a war. I mean the government is looking at the world with political views.
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And silvers rayleigh seems to be older than marco? Unless marco doesn't age i would say that he hasn't the experience of Rayleigh. And you guys are saying i'm downrating marco but you are also downrating the admirals :) If marco is able to take down and admiral then it would be too easy for WB. He may hold one of them and then go down but that won't change the fact that i think he will loose against one of them only to prove that the admirals are the top fighters of the marines and that even the captain of the first division doesn't have a chance against them :) The problem with the admirals is that they are 3 and they have a lot of stuff to do. It's not like they're sitting the whole day and are bored. Also if the government is afraid of taking down a yonkou then they won't send the admirals in a war. I mean the government is looking at the world with political views.
Since you seemed to have missed my post, here it is again.
One guy(Marco) holding off Aokiji still leaves Dozu handling Kuma or Moria hoping Division commanders 5-10 aren't getting owned off camera by Kizaru and a handful of VAs while Teach fights WB with Mihawk, Sengoku, Akainu, and Garp still on standbye and Smoker, Hina, other Commodores&RA, Boa, and Don flamingo owning every other Division captain. Far from a stream roll because Marco is so strong.Please Please PLEASE, explain how Marco holding one Admiral off means it would be too easy for WB to win when they're about 7 other Admiral level(2 remaining, Garp, Sengoku, Teach, and Mihawk) dudes on the WG's side plus the rest of their forces consisting of the rest of the Shichibukai&high ranking marines?
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@Kuma:
Mmm, Ace is definitely weaker than an Admiral. Aokiji has it'S DF at least 20 Years, Ace ~3. So I Didn't think that Marco is stronger, I think he can mess with one, but he would go down…
why do you think ace is weaker? because blackbeard took him down? blackbeard with his fruit can probably take down admirals as well. not only that but ace is probably aokiji's weakness and could probably defeat him. blackbeard is probably equal to an emperor in strength or close to at this point so don't underestimate his power. Ryuksgelus gets what i'm saying. the world government would steamroll through the whitebeard pirates if only whitebeard was stronger than an admiral.
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Blackbeard and Haki users are probably the only ones that could take Ace down.
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Since you seemed to have missed my post, here it is again.
One guy(Marco) holding off Aokiji still leaves Dozu handling Kuma or Moria hoping Division commanders 5-10 aren't getting owned off camera by Kizaru and a handful of VAs while Teach fights WB with Mihawk, Sengoku, Akainu, and Garp still on standbye and Smoker, Hina, other Commodores&RA, Boa, and Don flamingo owning every other Division captain. Far from a stream roll because Marco is so strong.
Please Please PLEASE, explain how Marco holding one Admiral off means it would be too easy for WB to win when they're about 7 other Admiral level(2 remaining, Garp, Sengoku, Teach, and Mihawk) dudes on the WG's side plus the rest of their forces consisting of the rest of the Shichibukai&high ranking marines?
Ok now i got it. I was arguing against what smurfx said that marco should be stronger than the admirals for the marines to consider WBs crew a threat… But you're also assuming here that mihawk is admiral level?
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Blackbeard and Haki users are probably the only ones that could take Ace down.
also people that have df's that can counter fire, which would leave the fight down to skill or physical fighting ability…....shame i cant give an example though:sad:
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Ok now i got it. I was arguing against what smurfx said that marco should be stronger than the admirals for the marines to consider WBs crew a threat… But you're also assuming here that mihawk is admiral level?
mihawk has to be an extrely strong fighter if he is the world greatest swordsman. that means any other great swordsman would fall at his feet if they fought. if rayleigh was able to cut kizaru then mihawk should be able to do the same and more since he is a better swordsman and also probably has full control of his haki. i don't think he can beat an emperor but i would say his power is equal to an admirals. just because the admirals are the top marine fighters doesn't mean they are automatically better than some of the shichibukai. from what i've seen blackbeard, kuma and mihawk are probably the strongest shichibukai members and the only guys who can possibly match an admirals power or possibly exceed it in blackbeards case. i'm not saying doflamingo is weak but i can't really judge how powerful he is by what i've seen.
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Ok now i got it. I was arguing against what smurfx said that marco should be stronger than the admirals for the marines to consider WBs crew a threat… But you're also assuming here that mihawk is admiral level?
Wow, Iam not the only one :D
Yeah … Mihawk is overrated, cuz he is the "best swordsman" and propaly Zoro's Final Opponent. In OP Yellow is written, that it's only a myth/rumor, that Mihawk is the best/strongest swordsman. I think the Ghandi-like-Goruousei with the sowrd is better xD...Nah, I think Mihawk is very very powerful, but Aokiji or Kizaru would take him down.
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@john giant A whole new DF. Happy new years.
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why do you think ace is weaker? because blackbeard took him down? blackbeard with his fruit can probably take down admirals as well. not only that but ace is probably aokiji's weakness and could probably defeat him. blackbeard is probably equal to an emperor in strength or close to at this point so don't underestimate his power. Ryuksgelus gets what i'm saying. the world government would steamroll through the whitebeard pirates if only whitebeard was stronger than an admiral.
Actually I disagree with the idea Ace is as strong as an Admiral. He doesn't seem as physically strong as Aokiji and his reaction to getting hit by Teach shows us he isn't as experienced as them either. In their careers they've probably faced many guys on Ace's level or higher plenty of times(Silver Medalists free∈ ID). Kizaru wasn't exactly freaked when facing a legend like Rayleigh and subsequently being cut. That tells me hes probably been injured plenty of times in his career despite the Logia immunity Croc, Enel, and even Ace, in a lesser respect, thought made them uber.
Honestly I think with basic Haki mastery Luffy will surpass his brother and Ace is the weakest member of his family. Even with the type advantage I still think Ace would loose to Aokiji because his strongest attack engulfed half an island. Aokiji casually froze a few square miles of ocean. If he put as much effort into an attack as Ace I'd imagine it will be far more impressive than than Ace's mini sun.
Ok now i got it. I was arguing against what smurfx said that marco should be stronger than the admirals for the marines to consider WBs crew a threat… But you're also assuming here that mihawk is admiral level?
Well seeing as he used to casually solo a Yonkou and is to Zoro what Teach is to Luffy, I'd say yes. Really tired of arguing his standing in OP's world. If Rayleigh can go toe to toe with Kizaru in a swordfight, then Mihawk can no question, thus he's admiral level. Not "oh he can fight an Admiral or Rayleigh but is screwed once they change strategies" crap.
also people that have df's that can counter fire, which would leave the fight down to skill or physical fighting ability…....shame i cant give an example though:sad:
Smoker? Think the reason he didn't go after Ace with his sea-stone baton is because, at the time, Ace was much stronger physically. Jinbei being a fishman should have water-based powers and may even be slightly wet all the time. A Hydro pump strong enough to break steel(if the one Ussop fought can break trees this feat is reasonable for Jinbei) sounds like it would do a shitload of damage to Ace.
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@john giant A whole new DF. Happy new years.
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also in relation to the posts above..........regarding mihawk
well i do think that mihawk is stronger than an admiral or on par with one
here's my reasons
-zoro's trying to learn how to cut elements and so on, so i would have thought someone of mihawks calibre could do the same to a logia, cut fire, wind, water etc ...
-if raleigh can stop kizaru with a sword then i would have thought that mihawk could do better
-and as you stated above, to have the title of greatest swordsman, he must be awesome
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John, enjoy my new sig.
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What Ace is not physically strong? Hey guess what Luffy even said it even tho Luffy has his df power he can't even beat Ace back then, It's just that Teach is stronger than him losing to one person dont make u weak lol
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@John:
you legend
oh god don't ever remove itI WILL NEVER REMOVE IT
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What Ace is not physically strong? Hey guess what Luffy even said it even tho Luffy has his df power he can't even beat Ace back then, It's just that Teach is stronger than him losing to one person dont make u weak lol
Beating Luffy before he even met Zoro doesn't make you strong either.
Believe I said "not as physically strong as Aokiji" not that he wasn't physically strong at all.
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This is so getting silly now - it's almost reverse fanboyism!
Ace is **strong[//b] - always was. You don't become one of WB's top lieutanents within 3 years of your career by looking cool. He had to be strong enough to reach the New World (assuming thats where he fought WB) in the first place, and had to be cocky enough to challenge WB face-on. His combat skills had to be impressive enough for WB to personally recruit him and make him his lieutanent, when WB is known to not even think much of Rockstar (100m bounty). Ace, in Jinbei's own words, gave Jinbei a helluva tough time in a fight between the two - implying that Ace is pretty much on par with Jinbei. To top it all, Teach himself comments that Ace's reputation and combat abilities are near-legendary, and would have liked Ace to join his crew.
In spite of the obvious clues as to how powerful Ace is, its annoying to see people assume that he is a weakling only because he lost to someone who is being built up as the primary antagonist of the story!**
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Beating Luffy before he even met Zoro doesn't make you strong either.
Believe I said "not as physically strong as Aokiji" not that he wasn't physically strong at all.
what makes you think aokiji is so physically strong in the first place? what exactly has he done to show you that he is strong? all i've seen is him do is use his devil fruit. also about ace being physically weak. what makes you think he is weak? he was able to fight jimbei almost to the death before he got his devil fruit. by that i imagine he got his devil fruit after he had joined whitebeards crew. that half dead ace in front of whitebeard we saw in a flash back is probably ace after he got done fighting jimbei so he was pretty damn strong before he got his devil fruit. jimbei said he fought ace to be useful to whitebeard so i'm assuming thats how things went down. if he was able to meet jimbei and whitebeard means he was strong enough to make it to the new world. there has never been talk of him being part of another pirate ship before whitebeard so that means he did it on his own.
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Who is this Ace character?
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Couldn't AoKiji just see their boats coming and freeze them or break them from a distance, then the whole fleet of Whitebeards has to swim over to where ever the hell land is, meanwhile being bombarded by bombs and attacks and shit.
Or load their cannons with fishmen and torpedo the shit outta that fleet, Say hi to davy jones for me you old bastard.
Or Just have Hatchan move another mountain and create one of those killer currents. seriously the fishmen should by all means be able to sink any ship that sails the seas by petty vandalism. what are you supposed to do against someone who swims faster than your ship sails, They could just do a drive-by and all the pirates could do would be to note that -Hey theres someone down there stealing our rudder
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They could just do a drive-by there stealing our rudder
and bust-a-starfish in thier a$$
dive-by lol
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Losing to Blackbeard, who is probably the only guy that world goverment has who would fight almost equally with Whitebeard doesn't mean Ace is weak. I think that it isn't even possible that Aokiji could beat Ace without somehow neutralising his df powers.
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Actually I disagree with the idea Ace is as strong as an Admiral. He doesn't seem as physically strong as Aokiji and his reaction to getting hit by Teach shows us he isn't as experienced as them either. In their careers they've probably faced many guys on Ace's level or higher plenty of times(Silver Medalists free∈ ID). Kizaru wasn't exactly freaked when facing a legend like Rayleigh and subsequently being cut. That tells me hes probably been injured plenty of times in his career despite the Logia immunity Croc, Enel, and even Ace, in a lesser respect, thought made them uber.
I just thought of this. What if, Ace does know about haki and has fought haki users in the past, similar to Kizaru and Aokiji? But, the reason BB took Ace by surprise is that BB didn't use haki to hit Ace, but rather his brand new DF? Plus, Ace could've also been surprised by getting sucked in by BB's ability.
I think haki is a little more common then the darkness logia. With this in mind, we really can't say if Ace is more experienced in getting hit, fighting haki, or not. I mean, the fact that Ace is experienced in fighting without his DF, and tied with Jimbei, suggests that he probably doesn't have the same arrogance that Enel or Crocodile did.
The rest, I'm not interested in.
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I think Ace is far from the admiral level. I mean, he might be the leader of the 2d devision of the WB pirates and he definately is anything but weak but being a commander is like being a captain and having strong subordinates. It is like if Luffy were division leader in White beards crew. He would have his own crew and all. So, Marco, who is the 1st division leader has a crew of himself too and then there is Whitebeard who might have his own crew on his ship. (so, not ace and Marco)
so the 1st devision leader doesn't have to be the righthand man to WB (like Zoro) and the 2d doesn't mean something like Sanji. They are leaders of there own crew. I really believe WB has some really strong guys on his own ship we haven't even seen yet. . .It would be cool if WB's nurses were his uberstrong crew :D
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I think Ace is far from the admiral level. I mean, he might be the leader of the 2d devision of the WB pirates and he definately is anything but weak but being a commander is like being a captain and having strong subordinates. It is like if Luffy were division leader in White beards crew. He would have his own crew and all. So, Marco, who is the 1st division leader has a crew of himself too and then there is Whitebeard who might have his own crew on his ship. (so, not ace and Marco)
so the 1st devision leader doesn't have to be the righthand man to WB (like Zoro) and the 2d doesn't mean something like Sanji. They are leaders of there own crew. I really believe WB has some really strong guys on his own ship we haven't even seen yet. . .It would be cool if WB's nurses were his uberstrong crew :D
Ahh…but we have almost always seen WB flanked by Marco and Joz. Apparently, they are WB's top crew-members. If I am not wrong then each of the 16 divisions is headed by WB's strongest sub-ordinates, in descending order of power. Like Marco > Ace > Joz > Thatch > 5th Div Commander>....>16th Division Commander.
Which brings us to the good ol' "Division 0" speculation - does WB have a seperate core group of powerful, and possibly ol' timers from Roger era, crewmembers as Divison 0? I believe that he doesn't. In my opinion, there is no Division 0, and Division 1 (with Marco as lead) operates on board the Moby Dick. The other 15 divisions have their own ships. WB supervises the entire fleet from the Moby Dick, acting as a Fleet Admiral, while Marco acts as the Captain of the ship Moby Dick.
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Wait where it stated that the division commanders strength is related to the division number? If not then maybe the captain of division 8 is the strongest under WB?
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it isn't, it's a speculation. Also, making for instance the 8 devision leader stongest and then the 14th and then the third and so on would just be irritating (for me atleast), why work with number when they do not mean anything in the first place? Also, what we have seen of WB's crew all his subordinates seem very young so what hapened to the older members of his crew. . .?
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you want to know it? HE ATE THEM all. That's why he is so big right? WB is horrible! YOu heard it here first :)
Yes i'm also wondering where his old nakamas are. Please let this division 0 exists :)
