I believe that the SH traveled the Grandline portion that is between North and West Blue. Thus the New World portion of the Grandline would be between East and South Blue.
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I believe that the SH traveled the Grandline portion that is between North and West Blue. Thus the New World portion of the Grandline would be between East and South Blue.
From what we understand of the maps, the didn't. I will use some manga maps and help clear it up. BRB.
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I believe that the SH traveled the Grandline portion that is between North and West Blue. Thus the New World portion of the Grandline would be between East and South Blue.
They definitely didn't travel the North and West Blue side of the planet. This map pretty much proves it. You can see that the Grand Line part below the East Blue is the one the Strawhat's traveled so far since it starts with the Reverse Mountain.
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Nice work Brennen. That must be enough to everyone to understand how they came to the grand line. But something bothers me. I can't even sleep about it. I must release it… So: Why didn't someone tried from North or south blue tried to sail to the top of reverse mountain and then jumps in order to enter the New world. There must be pirates who are strong enough to carry enough wood to make a raft until they jumps out of their ships at the top of reverse mountain. Any ideas?
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So: Why didn't someone tried from North or south blue tried to sail to the top of reverse mountain and then jumps in order to enter the New world. There must be pirates who are strong enough to carry enough wood to make a raft until they jumps out of their ships at the top of reverse mountain. Any ideas?
this is not the best explanation, but for me, in One Piece world, such strong enough guy, would not go for something that cheap,
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Nice work Brennen. That must be enough to everyone to understand how they came to the grand line. But something bothers me. I can't even sleep about it. I must release it… So: Why didn't someone tried from North or south blue tried to sail to the top of reverse mountain and then jumps in order to enter the New world. There must be pirates who are strong enough to carry enough wood to make a raft until they jumps out of their ships at the top of reverse mountain. Any ideas?
If anything you would ask yourself:
1. why they dont just go through calm belt…some can do it so calm belt near teh raftel...
2. Why dont they have engines on their ships...we have trains, we have god damn replics of Kuma and no engine or any alternative which would work well when there is no wind...
Many more...the answer is...better stop wondering SOON or it will spoil your OP EXPERIENCE
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Very nice idea brennen !
Also, if you think that it can be interresting, here's the translation (french -> english ) of the names on the map of the blue data book:For Blue Data Book; Page 106-107: - Navi 01: Fushia
- Navi 02: Shells town
- Navi 03: an island (where Luffy met coby)
- Navi 04: Orange
- Navi 05: deserted island (the one with Gaimon)
- Navi 06: Sirop
- Navi 07: Baratie
- Navi 08: Arlong Park
- Navi 09: Gosa
- Navi 10: Kokoyashi
- Navi 11: Logue town
- Navi 12: Reverse Mountain
Blue Data Book; Page 114-115: - Navi 19: Nanohana
- Navi 20: Spiders Cafe
- Navi 21: Elumalu
- Navi 22: Yuba
- Navi 23: Katorea
- Navi 24: Rain Base
- Navi 25: Alubarna , Navi 25#: Royal Palace
- Navi 26: Oriental port
Then again, I'm really not sure if the names are the same in english.
PS: If anyone has a scanner and the RED data book, there's a map of alabasta on P. 191
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If anything you would ask yourself:
1. why they dont just go through calm belt…some can do it so calm belt near teh raftel...
2. Why dont they have engines on their ships...we have trains, we have god damn replics of Kuma and no engine or any alternative which would work well when there is no wind...
Many more...the answer is...better stop wondering SOON or it will spoil your OP EXPERIENCE
- Sea kings not just 1 or 10 … hundreds ... noway to go through
- They need some damn good scientist or "machine builder" to do it. We don't know if Tom or Vegapunk weren't/aren't interested in raftel.
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Shouldn't this thread be made sticky?
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Nice work Brennen. That must be enough to everyone to understand how they came to the grand line. But something bothers me. I can't even sleep about it. I must release it… So: Why didn't someone tried from North or south blue tried to sail to the top of reverse mountain and then jumps in order to enter the New world. There must be pirates who are strong enough to carry enough wood to make a raft until they jumps out of their ships at the top of reverse mountain. Any ideas?
What would be the point of jumping there in an attempt to skip into the new world?
First of all the jump would have to be at least a few kilometers in lenght meaning you would undoubtedly crash into the mountainside without some kind of paragliding construction (and it probably wouldn't work without Frankys cola coup the burst thingy)
Second without an eternal log or logpose that is already aligned to some island in the new world they would be somewhat lost as the grand line is close impossible to navigate without one. Imo doing something like that would end up in the pirates starving to death.
jack1000: No, but it should probably be added in the http://www.apforums.net/showthread.php?t=17132 thread.
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What would be the point of jumping there in an attempt to skip into the new world?
First of all the jump would have to be at least a few kilometers in lenght meaning you would undoubtedly crash into the mountainside without some kind of paragliding construction (and it probably wouldn't work without Frankys cola coup the burst thingy)
Second without an eternal log or logpose that is already aligned to some island in the new world they would be somewhat lost as the grand line is close impossible to navigate without one. Imo doing something like that would end up in the pirates starving to death.
Good points. I see my stupidity now. Thanks for the hints. I was just excited to see what the new world looks like. There is so much hype going around this part of the world… That i lost my mind.
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Also, if you think that it can be interesting, here's the translation (french -> english ) of the names on the map of the blue data book PS: If anyone has a scanner and the RED data book, there's a map of alabasta on P. 191
Thanks a lot! That really helps. I have the Red Data Book, but I haven't checked it for maps yet. Will do.
@Kuma:
http://img3.imagebanana.com/img/gq73sm7a/thumb/CardfromKonomi.png
A Part Map from Commi Island (Chapter 71, Page 4)
I know it´s a bad one … but i didn´t found a better one xDNo, no, no! That is awesome! I totally overlooked it. Thanks a ton!
jack1000: No, but it should probably be added in the http://www.apforums.net/showthread.php?t=17132 thread.
Hmm. That could be nice. Though IDK if anyone ever goes there. IDK if this should ever be stickied, but I hope it doesn't get so burried it gets forgotten. I will probably add some of this stuff to the website once I figure a good way to lay it all out.
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^^ Very cool. Nice job! I will add it to the main page. I never really thought about what path they had taken. My only issue with it is that your guideline has one of the paths leading to Enies Lobby. W7 was connected to EL via Sea Train, so I do not think it is part of the traditional pathway. Either way; nice job.
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Brennen, I think you've missed a map. I know there was one during the EL arc with a map of the island and the character's locations. I'll see if I can find it for you.
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Well, I was seeing chapter 498 map and I saw that Ennies Lobby and Marineford were drawn perfectly there. So I decided to put some other places in the map:
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/3275/mapaonepieceel1.th.jpg
I think that everthing is in the correct place.
This is pretty much exactly what I'm thinking as well. There's no telling which path the SH started on, but if I had to guess, maybe the third from the right on the Crocus/Shakky map? They then used the eternal post to jump to Alabasta, and I'm guessing it's the island where the right most paths converge, with the next island being Jaya, it's the type of port like Saboady where multiple paths are converging, leading to pirate crews running into each other.
Next is Long Ring Long Land, which you guys might want to add: (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/305/08/)
You'll see that the next island appears to be multiple islands, which could account for Water 7 being the central hub, with trains running to those nearby places.
Since the Rumba ended up in Florian, I figure they started out on one of the southern paths as well. Would explain why they apparently visited different islands than the SH did. From Water 7 to the next island is a big sail. I figure this was the southern side of the Florian Triangle. You'll see that there's an island north of this path right about in the exact middle of it, which would create a nice triangle.
You'll notice that the second to last bigger island and the last one are almost parallel to the Calm Belt, which matches up with the Marine triangle of islands. From that you can plug in Amazon Lily and the others. The issue of course is the whole "EL doesn't appear to be on the normal path". But maybe it is only in certain circumstances, because of the ocean current mess EL and the other marine islands cause. If the gates are open, the pose works as normal and pirates hit EL, if they're closed, the only way to get there is by train, and the marines usually keep it closed. So when it's closed the log pose is drawn to Fishman island, rather than the Marine islands above.
So ZeUs, you could feasibly plug in from Alabasta on into the Shakky map.
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Brennen, I think you've missed a map. I know there was one during the EL arc with a map of the island and the character's locations. I'll see if I can find it for you.
Thanks. I think there is one during Thriller Bark as well, right? If someone can find that I would appreciate it.
@Gordo: Thanks for that Long-Ring Island map.
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Yay, found it.
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Map of the current whereabouts that I made and posted in a spoiler thread - Probably missed..
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/7575/onepiecemapzd9.png
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Also, OP has a problem with one of the chapters - Mihawks explanation is chapter 51, not 41 - page is correct.
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Yo Brennen, here's two images for you. This one is a shot of East Blue from the First Log. This is the so far largest shot of East Blue done by Oda himself:
The next isn't done by Oda himself but by Takahashi Tsunemasa. This was done for OP Loguetown (click here if you want to know more about it):
Even though it isn't done by Oda himself you can see that the geography matches the one from the first image meaning it's all as Oda had it in mind. Hope that helps.
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Finally, a worthwhile thread has appeared in the manga section! You dream of days like this and when they come..you don't know what to do.
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@Bad-Beat:
Finally, a worthwhile thread has appeared in the manga section! You dream of days like this and when they come..you don't know what to do.
Nice work to the people contributing, it is all most interesting.Agreed. I find this one to be the most interesting thread since the timeline one.
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I put some others places as GordoJones said and I also added the route of the sea train and where I think Florian Triangle is. But, there is something that it isn't correct.
The sea train joins Water 7, Ennies Lobby, Saint Poplar, Pucci and San Faldo, right? The time that takes to travel between EL and W7 is more or less 6 or 7 hours (look the ultimate time/event of the GL thread). In chapter 340 the distance between W7 and San Poplar is revealed: 1 hour. So, what's the matter? The point is that when the CP9 escaped form EL, they went to San Poplar following the train rail. If I were them I would go to the nearest island, in this case: Sant Poplar. So first, I thought that this island was the one at the left of EL in the other path, the last one, but the distance aren`t the correct ones. The time to travel to that island must be more than the time to EL. But I don't know if Oda thought all the map, the times and distance perfectly or if I didn't put correctly the train in the map.
By the way, sorry if there are gramatical mistakes xD
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The most obvious mistake on that map is that the florian triangle isn't a triangle….
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@Bad-Beat:
The most obvious mistake on that map is that the florian triangle isn't a triangle….
the green line is the sea train, and we don't know were the Florian Triangle exactly is… I think it is placed more or less there
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Ah I see, I thought the green line was the florian triangle, ignore me.
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Thanks for your sharing very well~~~
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Problem I have with the map is that it makes it look that you get to Enies Lobby after following the log from Water 7, while this definitely is not the case. I rather considered it, that Water 7 and Enies Lobby are probably on the same hight more or less. Actually I though this is the case for all the islands connected via the Sea Train.
If you consider that at the end of the first half of the Grand Line there's only five routes left, then with Water 7, Enies Lobby, St. Poplar, Saint Fardo and Pucchi we also have five islands that are connected to each other via Sea Train, then it might be that each island is the last island of one of the remaining five routes.
After all Kuzan said, that the Strawhats were getting closer and closer to the HQ when he new that W7 was next. Also Fishman Island is next after W7 (which is below the Red Line) so it's fair game to assume that Water 7 isn't that much further away from HQ then Enies Lobby. Of course it doesn't have to be as I say but it would work pretty well considering the facts we have at hand.
Anyways, nice job with the map, regardless of what I just threw in.^^
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@Bad-Beat:
Ah I see, I thought the green line was the florian triangle, ignore me.
What about my Florian Triangle though? I think you should excuse it for being awesome. Anyways, thanks for the maps everyone! Yikes, I have some updating to do. Hrm, hrm, hrhmmrmm….
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jack1000: No, but it should probably be added in the http://www.apforums.net/showthread.php?t=17132 thread.
LOL you're right, why didn't I think of that before :happy:
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What about my Florian Triangle though? I think you should excuse it for being awesome.
Sorry, I have no idea what you are talking about. :blink:
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Update: Added the images from Ivotas (Thanks a ton Ivotas!!) to the front page and added the other two user interpretations (Crampz and updated ZeUs). I cleaned the One Piece Log image and corrected the merge for the Illustration as well. I will add the other two manga pages suggested on the last page once I get my hands on an HQ RAW of them. If someone wants to translate any of the images on the front page let me know!!
@Bad-Beat:
Sorry, I have no idea what you are talking about. :blink:
My map I made: Link
Edit: @Chino; Thanks for that little translation! I added them into the two Blue Book images.
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You may want to make the left side calm belt further out there. Though it looked like the calm belt may be that close, the map in the last chapter seemed to show more Grand Line with no north Calm Belt displayed. See here:
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^^ It was more a matter of space. I couldn't stretch the image much more without making it too big. I kept it simple, but I know what you mean.
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sorry if my question has been posting by someone..
at that picture looks like there's no canal from the end new world to go to first GL (Laboon). My question is when SHP have reached Raftel, are they going back again to old GL or they will just go through RL?(maybe there's another Fishman Island?)Image is from Brennen's First Post.
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If you managed to reach the end of the GL the creator of the game one piece assumed that you will be strong enough to travel through the calm belt :)
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sorry if my question has been posting by someone..
at that picture looks like there's no canal from the end new world to go to first GL (Laboon). My question is when SHP have reached Raftel, are they going back again to old GL or they will just go through RL?(maybe there's another Fishman Island?)Ubiq had a valid theory about Raftel but since that was a couple of years ago I'll gladly repeat it because it makes so much sense for me and I go with it until it get's proven wrong in the manga.
His idea was that inside Reverse Mountain there's a pretty big space that can only be accessed through secret passeges. And inside this space Raftel is located, which at the same time lies in All Blue. In other words, Raftel and All Blue are within/below Reverse Mountain.
That All Blue is there much makes sense since Reverse Mountain pretty much connects the four Blues with small rivers. So the same thing might happen on a larger scale below the surface of the mountain/continent which in the consequence forms the legendary All Blue.
That Raftel is there makes sense because of the hidden island secret passageways part which would explain why Whitebeard for instance couldn't get his hands on One Piece that far. Also finding such difficult routes are riddles worthy of a pirate story. Well, just sharing it with anybody who didn't heard of the theory so far.^^
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Great theory Ubiq. Thanks Ivotas for remembering it. I really like it. All the 4 blues join at the top of the mountain and there could be a hole at the top of that island. Or there are 4 holes in reverse mountain and each of them is connected with one ocean. The second one is a little too obvious. Or maybe that raftel is outside of reverse mountain but has a secret passage to the innin of the reverse mountain.
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Ubiq had a valid theory about Raftel but since that was a couple of years ago I'll gladly repeat it because it makes so much sense for me and I go with it until it get's proven wrong in the manga.
His idea was that inside Reverse Mountain there's a pretty big space that can only be accessed through secret passeges. And inside this space Raftel is located, which at the same time lies in All Blue. In other words, Raftel and All Blue are within/below Reverse Mountain.
That All Blue is there much makes sense since Reverse Mountain pretty much connects the four Blues with small rivers. So the same thing might happen on a larger scale below the surface of the mountain/continent which in the consequence forms the legendary All Blue.
That Raftel is there makes sense because of the hidden island secret passageways part which would explain why Whitebeard for instance couldn't get his hands on One Piece that far. Also finding such difficult routes are riddles worthy of a pirate story. Well, just sharing it with anybody who didn't heard of the theory so far.^^
Nice theory. That explains why the sea's called all blue. I think I'll stick with it too
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…All the 4 blues join at the top of the mountain and there could be a hole at the top of that island. Or there are 4 holes in reverse mountain and each of them is connected with one ocean...
Well the hole at the top would be a bit problematic since it would mean that all the sea creatures would have to fall a way of 10.000 meters, which would make All Blue a fish graveyard. It's rather likely that there's underwater channels at each Blue that connect to All Blue.
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@Ivotas
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This isn't shown in the listed maps in the first entry, so I guess I'll mention it. Chapter 101, a couple pages after the grandline map, on page 12, shows a VERY CLEAR map of Reverse mountain, that explains whichever blue you aproach from, you go up the mountain and then out into one specific part of the Grand Line, followed by another diagram on page 13, which isn' really a map, but another example.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/101/12/
It doesn't matter which blue you approach the grand line from, they all head down the same trail and then travel beneath East Blue. To get to the entrance you have to cross whatever sea your in to even get to the starting point, regardless of which Blue you begin in.
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Brennen, are you gonna add that EL map I found?
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Yes. I got a higher quality raw and am in the process of scanlating it and a few other pages. I will probably add them tomorrow. One of them including the one robbybevard just brought up. In fact, I would bet he found/remembered it the same way I did – after following the link from the chapter thread [[URL="http://www.apforums.net/showpost.php?p=1007194&postcount=481"]this post] in regards to the Sea Kings.
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His idea was that inside Reverse Mountain there's a pretty big space that can only be accessed through secret passeges.
Secret passages that aren't always accessible, mind you, but that can only be entered for a short period every few decades. Most likely following a particularly strong Aqua Laguna that lowers the water level enough for the caves to be found and sailed into.