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Chapter 523 "Hell" Discussion
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I really can't make up my mind as to what role Kuma had, in sending the SHs flying off to all those islands. I mean, it's got to be one of the two - either Kuma (i) knew where he was sending them, (ii) only knew that he was sending them to an island, but as to which island, he didn't know.
Kuma couldn't have ZERO control over where they landed, because he had to be careful not to land them in the middle of the frickin' ocean, especially since there seems to be a lot of it so far in OP.
As best as I can make out without a translation, it seems as if some of the SHs that have been shown so far have ended up someplace where they might have had subconsciously wanted to go to all along. Hence, the early bits where Kuma asked his victims where they wanted to go, was relevant.
Sanji - "I want to go somewhere where the people adore me" - Homo Island
Namie - "I want to go somewhere where I can learn more about the weather" - Meteorological IslandIt's tougher linking the destinations with the intentions, for Franky and Luffy though.
Franky - "I want to go somewhere I can… get people to dance my dance??" (Maybe, to go somewhere where he can improve his cyborg body)
Luffy - "I want to go somewhere... where's there's good food / a boat available for me??"The theory's weak, especially since Franky and Luffy don't quite fit into the pattern. If Luffy's secret wish was to go somewhere he could learn to get stronger, well, that hasn't really happened.
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Sanji is sent to an island full of male crossdressers. We all know that his greatest weakness in battle is a pretty face; the trauma he accumulates here will help give him the revulsion towards anything vaguely feminine he needs to become a more effective fighter.
Sanji doesn't fight women, that's got little to do with pretty faces, it's just the way he is.
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Well to start my first post here on this forum n_n
I was one of the 2000 guests who was looking here v_v. But I am not Japanese but Dutch xP.
Well back to topic:
To start off, I think this is one of the best chaps ever made. Why?
Oda let us see so much in one chapter. It's to good to be true..First Luffy who is going away then we see the VA.
Second we're going to Marine HQ
Third Impel Down
Fourth we're going to the " Sky Island " Which I think it isn't.. I think it's just a lab made to fly in the sky.. with custom made clouds.
Fifth We see the Winter Island were Franky is. I am thinking of different things there. What he could learn..
Sixth We see Sanji on the Gay island 8'DAbout the other 5:
Chopper - probably on a island where he can make his medical skills even better.
Robin - Somewhere to learn more about the void century, probably a Poneglyph..
Zoro - I think on the Samurai Island: Wanno
Usopp - different places.. Sniper Island, somewhere where he can get 8000 followers.. maybe he goes to Sniper Island.. or an island that is unnamed he walks there as Sogeking. Because he is scared. And he makes Sniper Island and gets 8000 followers. Because there are 8000 people on that island v_v.
Or he is on the same island as Perona.. he wanted to be strong and the only one who was scared of Usopp was Perona so maybe they are going to cooperate.. and Usopp is going learn some thing from Perona who knowsThen my favorite mugiwara
Brook - Different thoughts about him:- He plays death somewhere lol not happening xD
- He is on a shaman island
- He is on a Voodoo island
- He is on a music island
- He is on an island where they think he is a God who'd come back of the death v_v
Then my other thoughts about their powerups.
Luffy - Well pretty obvious, he is going learn Haki. And I am glad he is probably the only one who is going to learn that. With Zoro that is
Zoro - Is going to learn to control his Demon Haki. Or Beast Haki. Which can make him stronger and maybe if he controls it, he can turn himself in a demon D=. Or something like that x_x
Sanji - Well… Oda made a close up to the gay's on the beach. Where they were walking on water. Maybe Sanji is going to learn walk on the water. Or he is going to learn new sort of techniques to kick around..
Robin- I have no clue about her =/
Chopper - probably is going to control his monster point. Maybe in a weaker form? Or is going to find new forms to use. * HE IS GOING TO SHOOT LAZORZ*
Franky - Well I saw some nice thoughts of some people..
1. He is going to get an upgrade on his back
2. He get's upgraded fully Pasificta or beyond
3. He is going to make something new in the SDS Soldier Dock System, he is going to be able make dolls/puppets who work on cola. I always thought the SH where a small crew but if they get " Cola Soldiers " that could work n_n.
Brook- Well my thought is, he is going learn to chant. To back up the SH. I saw enought games Fire Emblem where a chant can upgrade someone. I think he is going to learn different ways of music to use in battle or to back up them. Also maybe is he going to learn a song how he can seperate his bones and attack alla Buggy xP
Usopp - He is going to get braver, and he get's a weapon upgrade. Nothing more. Maybe to learn how to imbue haki in to object but nothing more.
Nami - Probably a Climatact upgrade. She also gets an upgrade in her mind.Then about the next nakama…
We saw quick some people on the new islands. Hancock has the most details. I still believe she will join ;).So finally my post is done n_n
RobinotX posted from Holland over and out n_n
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if franky is on the puppetisland I hope he isn't going to get some Satori of the Red sand kind of power because that was lame
Great chapter BTW, it's getting even more awesome then ever, in Oda we trust indeed. . . !!!!!!
I laugh in the face of the disbelievers with their "bad writing" (who are they to call something bad writing anyway if they don't even know where the story is going or have no real experience or knowledge about writing)
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Nonononono, they are not running on water. That is a beach and waves are rushing in. Probably the water is not over 5 cm deep.
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Well to start my first post here on this forum n_n
I was one of the 2000 guests who was looking here v_v. But I am not Japanese but Dutch xP.
You're welcome!
About the other 5:
Chopper - probably on a island where he can make his medical skills even better.
Robin - Somewhere to learn more about the void century, probably a Poneglyph..
Zoro - I think on the Samurai Island: Wanno
Usopp - different places.. Sniper Island, somewhere where he can get 8000 followers.. maybe he goes to Sniper Island.. or an island that is unnamed he walks there as Sogeking. Because he is scared. And he makes Sniper Island and gets 8000 followers. Because there are 8000 people on that island v_v.
Or he is on the same island as Perona.. he wanted to be strong and the only one who was scared of Usopp was Perona so maybe they are going to cooperate.. and Usopp is going learn some thing from Perona who knowsI agree with you on chopper and Usopp but i disagree on Robin and zoro. It's not funny if Kuma send her on an island where she can learn more about this void history. I mean it's her dream to know it. And this dream is tied with the SHs. Thus i think that every Poneglyph she has to find to fill the void must be found with the Shs now. Back then she didn't know them and found some stones but from now on she is a SH and it would be lame like this "Sanji land on an island surrounded by deep blue, Usopp land on Elbaf". I disagree with you on zoro landing in wano cause this island is in the NW. It would be boring if one of the SH land there. How are they suppose to climb the redline and meet the others on the other side? Well we have basically 7 routes you can take from reverse mountain (if i remember correctly?) so there are theoretically a lot of island in the old world that the SHs don't know (like amazon lily in the calm belt). It would be much more fun if all the SHs are still in the old world meet at ID or wherever and then head to Fishman island. So we the reader will discover as well as the SHs the new world fishman island and all this stuff.
Zoro - Is going to learn to control his Demon Haki. Or Beast Haki. Which can make him stronger and maybe if he controls it, he can turn himself in a demon D=. Or something like that x_x
Nice i like this one.
Sanji - Well… Oda made a close up to the gay's on the beach. Where they were walking on water. Maybe Sanji is going to learn walk on the water. Or he is going to learn new sort of techniques to kick around..
Actually i thought that they were running at the beach?
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if franky is on the puppetisland I hope he isn't going to get some Satori of the Red sand kind of power because that was lame
Great chapter BTW, it's getting even more awesome then ever, in Oda we trust indeed. . . !!!!!!
I laugh in the face of the disbelievers with their "bad writing" (who are they to call something bad writing anyway if they don't even know where the story is going or have no real experience or knowledge about writing)
Well my only complaints about the last chapter were Luffy's inconsistancy with regards interfering in Ace's affairs and Hancock's character being diluted. It seems Hancock may be reverting back to type but she might also just be putting on an act hopefully it's the former as whilst I don't disagree with her becoming an ally for Luffy I dislike the idea that she'll basically become the Orihime of Bleach i.e. someone who loves someone intensely and would do anything for them but said person is practically asexual. Luffy has set himself upon the path to saving Ace so whether I like it or not it's the state of affairs therefore complaining about it boots nothing.
As for the rest of the chapter it's about as epic as any OP chapter can be without showing Dragon, Smoker or Buggy
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Sengoku: Now we have 6 of the Shichibukai. We need one more….
What about "him" that got sent to prison? Did he cool off his head yet?
Marine: No sir, he is adamantly against this fight still...! He says he's willing to risk getting his Shichibukai title stripped!
Sengoku: I figured he would be the most cooperative in this fight.... but he goes on rampage at this stage... damn you, Jinbei!!!If they have 6 Shibukais for the Big Fight, it means we will see Moria full recover and back in action… kinda strange
THE RETURN OF KISHISHISHISHI~!
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i think choppers gonna be forced to learn the importance of his own strength over that of what the rumble ball gives him.
I recommend: Peerless Martial God, Renegade Immortal, Gourmet of Another World, Trash of the Counts Family and The Great Ruler
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i think choppers gonna be forced to learn the importance of his own strength over that of what the rumble ball gives him.
Don't put too many expectations in that or you'll be disappointed…. again.
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i think choppers gonna be forced to learn the importance of his own strength over that of what the rumble ball gives him.
That's about as unlikely as Luffy ceasing to use gears. It's more likely Chopper will improve his rumble ball formula and master Monster Point than it is that he'll stop using them altogether
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Now that I think about it, I think Chopper may end up somewhere with a famous doctor, or a primitive place that practices compounding with herbs for drugs.
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Actually i thought that they were running at the beach?
Yes you're right. But Oda made some sort of close up about it… so.. maybe they can walk on water..
Let me think about something..
We have 3 admirals.
And we have the Baka TrioAokiji ends up fightin with Sanji if my thoughts are true It would be a fight on the water/land. Sanji could defeat Aokiji because his DJ.
Kizaru we saw him drawing a sword. If Zoro learns how to use Demon/Beast Haki maybe the same Haki Rayleigh has, he is called Dark King we see a sword fight of those 2.
Then the last one would be Akinnu or how you can write is name x_x
We don't know much about him.. but we shall know quickly :)
Would be the admiral 4 Luffy. I could be wrong though. But it is a though n_n" I have created over a thousand blades. Unknown to death. Nor known to life. Have withstood pain to create many weapons. Yet, those hands will never hold anything. "
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Yes you're right. But Oda made some sort of close up about it… so.. maybe they can walk on water..
Let me think about something..
We have 3 admirals.
And we have the Baka TrioAokiji ends up fightin with Sanji if my thoughts are true It would be a fight on the water/land. Sanji could defeat Aokiji because his DJ.
Kizaru we saw him drawing a sword. If Zoro learns how to use Demon/Beast Haki maybe the same Haki Rayleigh has, he is called Dark King we see a sword fight of those 2.
Then the last one would be Akinnu or how you can write is name x_x
We don't know much about him.. but we shall know quickly :)
Would be the admiral 4 Luffy. I could be wrong though. But it is a though n_nsanji could be Aokiji???????
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The Admirals are the best of the best and are supposedley equals if they get beaten at all they'll be beaten as the bosses of their respective arc rather than in some sort of Monster Trio vs Admirals brawl
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Chopper is in an autumn island with tons of sakura trees.
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damnit, I'm a little sad if we have seen the last of Margaret and especially Elder Nyon.>!! I was pining for Nyon to be the new SH!!!!!!!!!!!
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Maybe Sanji landed on Mr.2's island and will learn some crazy foot and cook skills!
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The Admirals are the best of the best and are supposedley equals if they get beaten at all they'll be beaten as the bosses of their respective arc rather than in some sort of Monster Trio vs Admirals brawl
I am pointing that out. Only it's not Luffy who is going to beat all of them…
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Yes you're right. But Oda made some sort of close up about it… so.. maybe they can walk on water..
Let me think about something..
We have 3 admirals.
And we have the Baka TrioAokiji ends up fightin with Sanji if my thoughts are true It would be a fight on the water/land. Sanji could defeat Aokiji because his DJ.
Kizaru we saw him drawing a sword. If Zoro learns how to use Demon/Beast Haki maybe the same Haki Rayleigh has, he is called Dark King we see a sword fight of those 2.
Then the last one would be Akinnu or how you can write is name x_x
We don't know much about him.. but we shall know quickly :)
Would be the admiral 4 Luffy. I could be wrong though. But it is a though n_nyou know aokiji also used a sword.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/320/09/
does that mean brooke will be the one that fights him? if any of the strawhats ends up fighting an admiral it's going to be zoro and that's it. dang no translation out yet. :( looks like all the translators didn't think there would be a raw today and didn't bother checking the site.
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i think choppers gonna be forced to learn the importance of his own strength over that of what the rumble ball gives him.
Maybe Zorro will learn how to fight with his hands instead of using swords.
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That's about as unlikely as Luffy ceasing to use gears. It's more likely Chopper will improve his rumble ball formula and master Monster Point than it is that he'll stop using them altogether
but surely the difference is, luffy's surpassed the limits of a human body and has moved to the next tier. chopper is using his rumble balls to reach the limits of his body and thus if he improves the foundation, the tower can become taller.
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Maybe Zorro will learn how to fight with his hands instead of using swords.
he can already do that ;)
I recommend: Peerless Martial God, Renegade Immortal, Gourmet of Another World, Trash of the Counts Family and The Great Ruler
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he can already do that ;)
Yeah but you know what I'm getting at. Chopper's fighting is great because of the rumble balls with out them he's a little shitty character. I like seeing his different points. If he could transform to different points with out the rumble balls and then fight that would be cool. However I don't see it happening anytime soon.
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Thank god there's no Jimbei is Tom theories yet
Thank god.
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Maybe Zorro will learn how to fight with his hands instead of using swords.
Dude. I was eating when I read this! The laughter made food went up my nose.
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I am pointing that out. Only it's not Luffy who is going to beat all of them…
Luffy has always fought the arc boss and I don't see that changing anytime soon the Admirals are too strong and too important to be anything but arc bosses. The only exception is likely to be Mihawk but somehow I see him facing Zoro alone rather than facing Zoro and bringing along some minions to occupt the other SH.
but surely the difference is, luffy's surpassed the limits of a human body and has moved to the next tier. chopper is using his rumble balls to reach the limits of his body and thus if he improves the foundation, the tower can become taller.
If Luffy becomes stronger in base form his gears become stronger as well. If a weak person takes adrenaline they're likely to get less benefit than a strong person would.
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I bet this will help sanji to overcome that gentleman thing he has
when he needs to fight a woman he just need to remember those guys? and there you go trauma attack and fighting womans thinking as they are guys
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Yes you're right. But Oda made some sort of close up about it… so.. maybe they can walk on water..
Let me think about something..
We have 3 admirals.
And we have the Baka TrioAokiji ends up fightin with Sanji if my thoughts are true It would be a fight on the water/land. Sanji could defeat Aokiji because his DJ.
Kizaru we saw him drawing a sword. If Zoro learns how to use Demon/Beast Haki maybe the same Haki Rayleigh has, he is called Dark King we see a sword fight of those 2.
Then the last one would be Akinnu or how you can write is name x_x
We don't know much about him.. but we shall know quickly :)
Would be the admiral 4 Luffy. I could be wrong though. But it is a though n_nI doubt SH will fight any admiral right now. Even with new techniques (i prefer to call it new technique instead of power up) they will be no match to the admirals. And don't you guys think it's weird that most of the people in this forum want whitebeard to win this war? I mean the Marines are the good guy in OP. And for the Supernovas, they only shown to show the strange of an admiral. Like Bellamy to Luffy. Unless it's trafalgar, kidd or bonney, I doubt Oda going to focus on them again.
And I think, Kuma send one of the SHs to Mariejoa or Impel Down at least.
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Personally i think chopper will somehow learn to control all his current rumble ball forms without taking a rumbal ball. When he takes one, it will enable him to reach more advanced forms. I'd also like to see some kind of (almost) complete human form. Maybe only keeping his horns (think adult lambo xD)
Although i'm not much of a Robin fan, out of all the SH i'm to most curious to her "upgrade" . Because i seriously can't think of any kind of training that would make her better. I'm curious to what Kuma has in store for her.
About Sanji..
I think it's just a little gag, Oda was doing. There probably is some kind of serious martial arts master (or something like that) on the island. Who can train him. Would be nice if that master was female, though. Could lead to some interesting developments, and i don't mean love-related. -
Thanks for a really early chatper, BF. And I'm just amazed with how much is happening all at once…and how I need a script now! Interesting with the way they're starting to finally hint at Jinbei...and how Sanji ended up on the worst island on the GL. (there goes his bad memories of Kokoro)
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I want WB to lose as the Marines really get downplayed and it makes it easier for Luffy to become PK with his strongest opposition removed before he reaches that point.
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i know this is a stupid quation but does any one think that crocodile is gonna apper in Id because i have this feeling that hes gonna show up.
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Thanks for the raw!
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I want WB to lose as the Marines really get downplayed and it makes it easier for Luffy to become PK with his strongest opposition removed before he reaches that point.
you want it to be easier for luffy???
On the contrary, I want it to be harder… Perhaps the conflict won't be resolved fast...if other pirates and even dragon join the fray, this could be a conflict which carriers through to the end of the series..
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you want it to be easier for luffy???
On the contrary, I want it to be harder… Perhaps the conflict won't be resolved fast...if other pirates and even dragon join the fray, this could be a conflict which carriers through to the end of the series..
Well I also hate WB fans and his defeat would put them in their place. Anyway it's not like Luffy will have it all that much easier with WB gone he'll still have to face those who took him out so the difficulty is much the same if not worse.
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Well I am still awake so I will say one last thing: If I had ever thought Franky was lame, I would take it all back simply for his reactions in this chapter alone. Also, lol @ this Chopper wannabe:
The outfit is probably some tradition: a female character from Shaman King wore the same thing.
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you are wrong and I am right
Remember, remember, the 5th of November
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Well my only complaints about the last chapter were Luffy's inconsistancy with regards interfering in Ace's affairs …....Luffy has set himself upon the path to saving Ace so whether I like it or not it's the state of affairs therefore complaining about it boots nothing.
Why do some of you still thinks this is Luffy's "Inconsistancy"….. or whatever it is called!!!
Ok, why don't you put yourself in Luffy's shoe and put your brother/sister/father/mother/or whoever you regard as an important person in your family up for EXECUTION in 3 days (lets not put too long a days).
Now, tell me..... no matter HOW FUCKING STRONG the person is, there is NO WAY you can get out of a MAXIMUM SECURITY PRISON with Admirals that can beat you so easily (in Luffy's point of view).... are you going to say "I can't save him/her/it, because he will get angry with me" "I will break his pride"...blah,blah,blah..........
But Ace is Whitebeard's subordinate. True, but Luffy doesn't really know him or how strong he is.......
So, before that on Thriller Bark, they only know Ace's life is in danger, but to what extend? Luffy assumes Ace is going to weather through it, because Ace is stronger than him. However, you need to remember, Luffy knows how strong the Marines are, especially the Admirals..etc..... When he found out from Nyon that Ace got caught by the World Government, he knows Ace is not only in trouble, he is actually in DEEP SHIT.
So, are you going to EXPECT Luffy to say "Oh, he can break himself out."
Sure, then why did Oda even bother to draw this!!!
Oda could have fair well draw Ace beating up the marine guards with ease and burning them and also walking out of Impel Down like as if it is his playground.
Pro-Main Cast Evangelist. In Oda We Trust. TheJackAss Crew. AMC = Anti-main Cast. Luffy x Nami.
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Well I also hate WB fans and his defeat would put them in their place. Anyway it's not like Luffy will have it all that much easier with WB gone he'll still have to face those who took him out so the difficulty is much the same if not worse.
What you got against The WB Pirates? This whole event alone is enough proof of how awesome they are. A single Pirate crew taking on the might of the WG. The WG Fears WB.
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pretty much…luffy sticks up for random people hes just met...he stuck up for Hatchi...why the hell wouldn't he stick up for his big brother? they are obviously very close...Also the reference in the last chapter, when his brother came to check on him...
This is consistant with his behaviour and adds a little depth to his character (not that he needs it necessarily, luffy is a simple but very well defined character)
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Anybody else hoping that some of the 500 pirates captured were the crews of the supernovas? How sick would it be if they were part of this craziness? This chapter was amazing and I cant wait for the events and war to finally play out.
Originally Posted by Nightwing
Stay focused, cause right now you have a decision to make. Are you a man perpetually looking back at what he’s lost, or a man looking forward, to what he might become?
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Yeah but you know what I'm getting at. Chopper's fighting is great because of the rumble balls with out them he's a little shitty character. I like seeing his different points. If he could transform to different points with out the rumble balls and then fight that would be cool. However I don't see it happening anytime soon.
put it like this. luffy doesn't go to gears for weak enemies, and those said enemies are enemies that chopper would go all out for. while i'm not saying that chopper should become as strong as luffy. he shouldn't be going all out (rumble ball) for cannon fodder either.
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Hahahaha poor Sanji, man I love One Piece, it has all the badass elements of a great manga in one chapter and humour as well. I also loved how Luffy was hiding under Hancock's clothes lol.
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you are wrong and I am right
Well at least I'm probably wrong about the tradition…but I know what I'm talking about with those antlers on another character:
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Her name is Zria, I actually had an avatar of her on AP for a while. (well a fanart without the antler headress) Same antlers on her head…so it's probably some sort of cultural thing in that part of the world.Y'know, Negima WAS awesome…
For the first 18 volumes.
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An island where all the women do everything the men would do is the opposite to the island where all the men do what the women do. lol. Sanji definately got the raw deal out of Kuma.
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Anyone else notice that out of all the Shichibukai, only Jinbei and Mihawk have somewhat matched up to their original Silhouettes as presented by Johnny almost a decade ago?
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@Tokoro:
Well at least I'm probably wrong about the tradition…but I know what I'm talking about with those antlers on another character:
! http://img44.onemanga.com/mangas/00000143/00000127/08.jpg
Her name is Zria, I actually had an avatar of her on AP for a while. (well a fanart without the antler headress) Same antlers on her head…so it's probably some sort of cultural thing in that part of the world.I didn't mean anything by it, I was just quoting your sig that actually nullifies everything you say
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translation is up!
