But I wanna see WB fight… :sad:
No soup for you!
If we see what is happening to the other crew members, then we'll most likely see WB fight after the crew reunites.
If the crew isn't going to reunite yet, I doubt we'll see him fight too soon.
But I wanna see WB fight… :sad:
No soup for you!
If we see what is happening to the other crew members, then we'll most likely see WB fight after the crew reunites.
If the crew isn't going to reunite yet, I doubt we'll see him fight too soon.
@bhk:
Just to clear things up: This is right. Ace's Execution will be held in Marineford, which happens to be a (THE) town on Marine HQ-Island.
Moreover: The are 3 Gates of Justice?? One at Enies Lobby, one at Impel Down and one at Marine HQ. THATS new.
It was stated that the only two places you can go to beyond the Gates of Justices is Impel Down and Navy HQ. Which is the Gates of Justice at Enies Lobby. So I think there's only one.
^ Uhhmmm…didn't Nyon say there were 3 gates?
That whole triangle diagram makes sense.
Enies Lobby's Gate can take you to Impel Down or the Marine HQ. ID can take you to EL or HQ and HQ can take you to either ID or EL.
That whole current thing they got going one. It how Marine ships get places faster.
I'm glad that Luffy is going to go save Ace. Luffy meeting Whitebeard for the first time would be awesome. I doubt Shanks would be there, because I doubt Whitebeard would want help from Shanks.
I think Luffy's crew might go to impel down too. They might have found out about Ace's execution, and figured that Luffy would go there to save Ace. So they might all end up meeting each other at Impel Down.
No they won't be there with Luffy. As much as they've been together they can't read each other's minds. Right now SHs are trying to get back together and they're probably thinking Luffy would too. They won't be there.
If the crew is scattered, then the only way for them to reunite would be to follow the biblicards as they can't go anywhere without logposts (with the possible exception of nami who we can assume has one). The only other option for them is to befriend someone to take them where they want to go (they'd need a ship too). But if they remember luffy's words, they'll most probably go to SA. If rayleigh is captured/hiding near ID and they decide to follow their biblicards, then they'd meet up there. Or they could just be imprisoned at ID or waiting near ID with rayleigh.
@Kuso:
No they won't be there with Luffy. As much as they've been together they can't read each other's minds. Right now SHs are trying to get back together and they're probably thinking Luffy would too. They won't be there.
I will be shocked and amazed if Zoro finds his way to Luffy. It will give me hope should Zoro ever get lost in space.
I don't think the SHs would just end up their because they think Luffy is headed that way; if they do head towards ID it'll be because of some other factor. And if they do head that way, I'm going to say Kuma planned for all of the SHs to head towards ID or at least have a strong position in this up coming war.
But I just don't see them all ariving at the sametime, some may be further away from Impel Down and they most likely are not going to be on marine ships either. I see the crew going back to SA and then going to Impel Down.
@Kuso:
^ Uhhmmm…didn't Nyon say there were 3 gates?
That whole triangle diagram makes sense.
Enies Lobby's Gate can take you to Impel Down or the Marine HQ. ID can take you to EL or HQ and HQ can take you to either ID or EL.
That whole current thing they got going one. It how Marine ships get places faster.
Yeah I just looked at the chapter and it seems there are three gates. It'd still fit within the statement that there only being two routes once you go in, given the currents.
I don't think all the Strawhats are going to get involved at Impel Down. It is likely only Luffy, and possibly maybe one or two others. Unless Kuma conveniently planned it out, but he'd have to calculate things down to how an island of characters would react for example. I forsee Crocodile and other prisoners being a factor though.
@Kuso:
^ Uhhmmm…didn't Nyon say there were 3 gates?
That whole triangle diagram makes sense.
Enies Lobby's Gate can take you to Impel Down or the Marine HQ. ID can take you to EL or HQ and HQ can take you to either ID or EL.
That whole current thing they got going one. It how Marine ships get places faster.
There is only one route. You can get from EL to ID, from ID to HQ and from the HQ to EL, but not the other way around. That's the point of those arrows.
so luffy is heading to impel down after all. then he won't get a chance to reunite with his nakama before trying to save ace.
for all those who think that they might reunite at impel down because rayleigh is held captive there: take a look at rayleighs vire card… it's not messed up in the least which means he is in good condition and not tormented somewhere in prison... so forget that idea he should be done with his coating by now and waiting for all the SHPs to gather.
but now that luffy tries to deal with the guards of impel down all alone, i think he might get captured and end up being part of the execution at mariejoa plaza. of course then he will be saved by his nakama and the WBPs along with ace.
the gate of juistice triagle surly works in two directions... maybe it has something to do with the sequence which gate is opened first to influence the direction of the stream... not so sure if that could possibly work out though
not disapointed in the chapter but i wasn't as positivly suprised as usual after reading the spoilers first...
So are we going back to EL? The shortest and fastest route would be HQ to EL and EL to ID. But It'd be difficult to smuggle luffy across the HQ, wouldn't it?
Boa HAS to be in love with Luffy, otherwise would she agree to take him to the holy land? I don't think so. When you're inlove, you do crazy shit. Maybe after this arc, she'll just fall out of love with him and they'll go their separate ways.
So are we going back to EL? The shortest and fastest route would be HQ to EL and EL to ID. But It'd be difficult to smuggle luffy across the HQ, wouldn't it?
You missread the map. The fastest route is from Kuja to EL and then from EL to ID
Boa HAS to be in love with Luffy, otherwise would she agree to take him to the holy land? I don't think so. When you're inlove, you do crazy shit. Maybe after this arc, she'll just fall out of love with him and they'll go their separate ways.
Of course she's in love with luffy. Love sickness lol :wub:. But I really want hancock to be with luffy as PQ. The only way to cure her sickness would be luffy purposely making her hate him (for her own good)
You missread the map. The fastest route is from Kuja to EL and then from EL to ID
We don't know how far the HQ is from amazon lily. If it's close, then the current would make the trip faster, wouldn't it?
I see Ace being rescued by Luffy and wanting to reunite with Whitebeard in the New World. To do that, Luffy will have to take the weakened Ace through Fishman island with him. Jinbei will be sent to wait for him. Luffy will have to pass through the island and beat Jinbei to protect Ace.
Whether or not WB is alive when they arrive in the NW,. that I won't speculate.
Of course she's in love with luffy. Love sickness lol :wub:. But I really want hancock to be with luffy as PQ. The only way to cure her sickness would be luffy purposely making her hate him (for her own good)
We don't know how far the HQ is from amazon lily. If it's close, then the current would make the trip faster, wouldn't it?
:blink: Yes we do know. Amazon Lily is the X in the lower right corner of the map on page ten and the Marine HQ is top left. It's all on page 10 and the arrows make it impossible to missunderstand
Of course she's in love with luffy. Love sickness lol :wub:. But I really want hancock to be with luffy as PQ. The only way to cure her sickness would be luffy purposely making her hate him (for her own good)
How convenient that she's fallen in love with him now that he needs a ride, and she happens to be the only one who can help. :silly:
What is PQ?
I will be greatly amused if, someway, somehow, Luffy ends up beating Blackbeard at the end of this arc, purely to see the looks on the faces of the people who push him as final villain.
Well seems Luffy and Hancock heading to Impel down. Based on time line Hancock was supposed to be heading there anyway, and probably be used as protection for Ace. Doesn't look like she would make it in time to HQ on Momongo's deadline unless use the currents and they go around a circle counter clockwise.
So Ace is being transfered to Headquarters and needs heavy protection. The WG sends Momongo to pick up Hancock and they head to Impel Down and join the forces protecting Ace and head to HQ. However they did not expect Luffy and Hancock to team up and thus instead of two huge allies arriving (Shichibukai, and Vice-Admiral) they instead have two big enemies (not huge cause luffy's an ant, lol) arriving a Rogue Shichibukai and a 300 million bounty pirate. Surprise attack.
Now onto the rest of the SH's. This is all up to what Kuma was thinking. He saw the strawhats dedication to each other on Thriller bark. Now where did he send them and what was his plan. (Rayleighs card is in mint condition so he ain't captured or beat) So did Kuma tell Rayleigh to head to Impel Down with their ship, or did he tell him that he is sending them away and suspects that they will all hear about Ace and head to Impel Down. And for Rayleigh to intercept their course from Impel Down to HQ with their coated ship ready and them to flee quickly to Fishman Island.
I'm hoping on the later, cause I don't want Rayleigh to help them, yet them all showing up at Impel Down could either be gay or amazing, depending on how he writes it
:blink: Yes we do know. Amazon Lily is the X in the lower right corner of the map on page ten and the Marine HQ is top left. It's all on page 10 and the arrows make it impossible to missunderstand
Oops, my bad, didn't see that. Sorry (I'm half asleep )
How convenient that she's fallen in love with him now that he needs a ride, and she happens to be the only one who can help. :silly:
What is PQ?
PQ = Pirate Queen as PK = Pirate King
So are we going back to EL? The shortest and fastest route would be HQ to EL and EL to ID. But It'd be difficult to smuggle luffy across the HQ, wouldn't it?
My guess is they'll sail up the Calm See into the triangle of currents and then into Impel Down.
Think how awesome this would be
IF, I mean IF Tiger Fisher is alive and kicking but a prisoner in Impel Down. Alive because the world nobels want to have their fun with him every other day. Then IF Luffy would break some prisoners out and he would be one of them then Hancock could fall in love with the Tiger Fish. So Luffy is free again and nobody dies as always in OP.
My guess is they'll sail up the Calm See into the triangle of currents and then into Impel Down.
Nyon already said that it would take too long to get there by sailing the calm belt. They have to get out of there sail to EL and from there use the currents to get to ID. What's there to missunderstand? Oda even drew us some arrows.
Think how awesome this would be
IF, I mean IF Tiger Fisher is alive and kicking but a prisoner in Impel Down. Alive because the world nobels want to have their fun with him every other day. Then IF Luffy would break some prisoners out and he would be one of them then Hancock could fall in love with the Tiger Fish. So Luffy is free again and nobody dies as always in OP.
Your awesome looks very much like my retarded.
^ Oh never mind what I posted then.
Anyways, no SHs at ID!!
Cool, thanks for the raw and trans! I felt all nostalgic looking at the picture with Luffy and the rest of the Strawhats.
Nyon already said that it would take too long to get there by sailing the calm belt. They have to get out of there sail to EL and from there use the currents to get to ID. What's there to missunderstand? Oda even drew us some arrows.
I read the little diagram wrong. I thought you could enter the Triangle of currents from the edges of the triangle but I forgot there were arrows drawn showing those currents rebound. The only way in the triangle is through a gate so yeah, EL it is then.
Why is it that none of the amazons even made a comment about luffy's haki in this chapter especially when it's so rare and all?
Why is it that none of the amazons even made a comment about luffy's haki in this chapter especially when it's so rare and all?
know what also is super rare for them. a Male.
if you were on an all male island and never seen a woman before in your life. Then one comes to your island would you be wanting to talk about this haki stuff or be more occupied with her just being female.
They were obviously too busy trying to feel him up.
know what also is super rare for them. a Male.
if you were on an all male island and never seen a woman before in your life. Then one comes to your island would you be wanting to talk about this haki stuff or be more occupied with her just being female.
Now I get it lol . I'd definitely get 'occupied' . I really hope they reveal more info in the coming chapters.
I will be greatly amused if, someway, somehow, Luffy ends up beating Blackbeard at the end of this arc, purely to see the looks on the faces of the people who push him as final villain.
The irony of this being you would probably never actually see the looks on anyone's face. Rather you will see the reaction thereafter in text. Curious on your thoughts post-translation, assuming you read it…?
I posted this in the spoiler thread:
I developed a little theory based on my wish that Kuma is Dragons spy.
What if Kuma told Rayleigh that the Strawhats are save, to coat the ship and head towards Impel Down. He acted by order of Dragon, cause Luffys father has an plan. The whole world knows that WB will fight to free Ace, its clear that the WG will do everything to keep WB away from ID and the Execution place. So where would they try to fight Whitebeard, i would say between Fishmen Island and Shabondani Archipelo. Even for WB and his divisions it would be very difficult to reach Ace. Dragons plan starts here, using the WB fight as an distraction he will attack the MHQ from behind.
There are two reasons, why i'm thinking so:
Dragon the revolutionary is a enemy of the WG and the Marine, he would use every chance to weaken these two.
Even if its not 100% sure, i think Ace is Dragons son, too. So he schould do something to rescue his son.
Now for the SH part:
Two battlegrounds, but nobody who could flee with Ace. And there they come into play. A coated ship with the SHs and Rayleigh as backup they could flee in the New World.
IMO it could make sense.
Perhaps Rayleigh is near ID, underwater with the coated ship.
Or if Kuma is really working for Dragon, he could have sended the other to bases, where Dragons troops are. So that they could sail with these troops for an attack.
You know what my imagination is driving me crazy
The biggest problem with the Kuma theory would be the Biblicards. How does Kuma know each Strawhat has one? As far as we are concerned, he doesn't.
Kuma is Santa.
He knows when you are sleeping, he knows when you're awake.:silly:
What i don't like in the situation we're in now is that the SHs are clearly manipulated. Kuma has a plan and he puni the SHs onb Shabondy Island. That's not bad cause the consequence is that they survived an admiral. But don't you think that this is not sailing freely through the world? Ok they are not so strong to do it. But the situation is oftens aggravated by Luffys ignorance. Well i for my part doesn't like the SHs being scattered by kuma. He didn't told them what he is doing. That's not cool! I got the feeling that someone is playing with the SHs at the moment.
I seriously hope Oda doesn't make this rescue arc to long..
I'm starting to miss all the other SH's. The adventuring is just not the same without them.
Thanks for the chapter, and the translation.
Upon reading the full chapter, some of my concerns were eased, however… my major concerns and disappoints with the spoiler are still present with the chapter.
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@me:
! > - luffy still hasn't gotten anymore information on using 'haki' (which is something i'm really hoping for this arc… it just seems so appropriate).
- I want to see where the rest of the crew is at this time, and an Ace rescue arc will only delay this that much longer.
- luffy just got his ass handed to him, so i don't see how there's any conceivable way for him to pentrate EL, and rescue Ace w/ just the aide of one of the shichibukai
Just like I suspected, Luffy didn't really understand the severity of the situation, and now that he does, of course he can't sit still. Now, if they are really going to go by the marine ship… how is luffy going to get a grip on his 'haki'. it just seems like the potential for advancement here will be wasted because of the situation Ace is in. keeps fingers crossed
I wish I could get a lot of money just from letting females touch me. I'm not cute enough for male prostitution.
Curious on your thoughts post-translation, assuming you read it…?
My thoughts? Well, first and foremost, in the back of my mind I can't help but feel Oda sped up this arc partway through. This probably just stems from my belief that the Boas had their turnaround way too quickly and way too easily. I know that we're supposed to feel bad for them, but all of a sudden we're expected to completely forgive them for kicking kittens, throwing old women through windows, turning innocents to stone, trying to kill one of them just to fuck with Luffy, and for acting like total pricks on a regular basis? And absolutely no one within the story has hard feelings? Really? I just find that to be a bit much of a stretch.
As for Ace's situation, I am glad that the translation showed that Luffy put a bit more thought into his decision than the spoilers let on, but I think what he's doing is highly reckless and that this is something that he should have his crew around for, though given the timeframe I guess that's impossible unless they somehow bump into someone along the way. So while I am interested in where this will eventually go, I think it's a wee bit too soon for where we are in the story. But we'll just have to wait and see where this goes, as my mantra says.
The Hancock situation I really don't care for, because it's very likely to spark a wave of stupidity across the fandom.
What i don't like in the situation we're in now is that the SHs are clearly manipulated. Kuma has a plan and he puni the SHs onb Shabondy Island. That's not bad cause the consequence is that they survived an admiral. But don't you think that this is not sailing freely through the world? Ok they are not so strong to do it. But the situation is oftens aggravated by Luffys ignorance. Well i for my part doesn't like the SHs being scattered by kuma. He didn't told them what he is doing. That's not cool! I got the feeling that someone is playing with the SHs at the moment.
He might have hoped for Luffy becoming aware of his haki by sending him to Amazon Lily, but unless he's precient he has absolutely no way of knowing that Luffy would befriend the Kuja and enamor Hancock and then decide to go to Impel Down to break out Ace. I think Kuma just wanted to delay the SH's getting into the New World a bit, perhaps because he felt their fame and their power was too different to allow them to survive the New World or because their timing was simply too bad with the eyes of the entire world on the confrontation between WB and the WG.
Ah, looks like they will be heading to Gaol and try to rescue Ace BEFORE he ends up in the execution facility where it would undoubtedly be impossible for Luffy to get Ace out.
Very very interesting, Luffy might just be able to pull this off…..I cannot wait for the next 5 chapters!!!!
He might have hoped for Luffy becoming aware of his haki by sending him to Amazon Lily, but unless he's precient he has absolutely no way of knowing that Luffy would befriend the Kuja and enamor Hancock and then decide to go to Impel Down to break out Ace. I think Kuma just wanted to delay the SH's getting into the New World a bit, perhaps because he felt their fame and their power was too different to allow them to survive the New World or because their timing was simply too bad with the eyes of the entire world on the confrontation between WB and the WG.
Im starting to believe that Kuma sent Luffy here as a means of trial by fire. Kuma knows this land is filled with haki-users and he wanted to see if Luffy can make it out of there, if he could then he has potential to survive in the New World, if he didn't then as Zoro says "That just means that I was only meant to reach this level". I don't think Kuma expected Luffy to befriend the Kuja and I am sure he will be suprised when the news hits his bear ears :)
Even though this is a Rescue Arc I don't see why so many people are getting pissed and comparing it to Robins rescue. With Robin we had a big build up of betrayal and then a huge sad background and then her yelling to be saved.
Luffy and maybe some co are heading to save him and he has no idea, ain't expecting, and won't be all "Save me Luffy" We won't have some huge sad background. Sure we might get a glimpse of a childhood and them playing or training or something together, but its Luffy's Brother we don't need nothing of that sort to make this rescue feel needed or want us to rescue him.
For those that hate Ace I don't really get it. Maybe it was the anime filler stuff that turned you off of him, but to me he seemed a perfect mirror image of his grandpa. So if you hate Ace you should hate Garp.
He might have hoped for Luffy becoming aware of his haki by sending him to Amazon Lily, but unless he's precient he has absolutely no way of knowing that Luffy would befriend the Kuja and enamor Hancock and then decide to go to Impel Down to break out Ace. I think Kuma just wanted to delay the SH's getting into the New World a bit, perhaps because he felt their fame and their power was too different to allow them to survive the New World or because their timing was simply too bad with the eyes of the entire world on the confrontation between WB and the WG.
Well that's exactly what i don't agree with. You see Kuma changed the Shs journey. Now it would be interesting to know why does that happens? The naivity of the Shs is surely one of the reason. It's cool to see luffy acting dumb (actually he IS dump :D). But he is doing many reckless things and his nakamas could have died. I mean Why don't they hide quickly on Shabaody? Why did he punched that Tenryuubito without a plan? I mean all his actions are good. But they put him and his nakamas in dangerous situations. That's not how a captain should act at all. And if kuma wasn't so kind he could have erased every Sh and they will be dead meat now. It bothers me that many Top tiers are making decisions for the Shs at this point now in their journey.
My thoughts? Well, first and foremost, in the back of my mind I can't help but feel Oda sped up this arc partway through. This probably just stems from my belief that the Boas had their turnaround way too quickly and way too easily. I know that we're supposed to feel bad for them, but all of a sudden we're expected to completely forgive them for kicking kittens, throwing old women through windows, turning innocents to stone, trying to kill one of them just to fuck with Luffy, and for acting like total pricks on a regular basis? And absolutely no one within the story has hard feelings? Really? I just find that to be a bit much of a stretch.
As for Ace's situation, I am glad that the translation showed that Luffy put a bit more thought into his decision than the spoilers let on, but I think what he's doing is highly reckless and that this is something that he should have his crew around for, though given the timeframe I guess that's impossible unless they somehow bump into someone along the way. So while I am interested in where this will eventually go, I think it's a wee bit too soon for where we are in the story. But we'll just have to wait and see where this goes, as my mantra says.
The Hancock situation I really don't care for, because it's very likely to spark a wave of stupidity across the fandom.
What about Robin. I find it easier to like or accept Hancock than Robin. Heck I have a friend I am watching One Piece with, we are in the middle of Water 7, and just heading to Enies Lobby. And he HATES Robin, always has and as time has gone by he is hating her more and more.
He first started hated her and has never forgiven her when she used her back cracking move against Pell.
But we had Robin blow up that one dude, then brutally play with Pell. She ONLY saved Luffy to ask about his D, no other reason. She was brutal with Tashigi, when going to the poneglyph, then she attacked Croc, only because of self defense.
Then she ask's to join crew and Luffy says yes. Heck at least Hancock we find out why she is like that. We dont' know why Robin was like that until way way later.
@Hinsher: Am I wrong in assuming you are pretty much convinced Hancock is going to join the crew…?
Yea I figure she will. All signs point to it. The sister's and Nyou super surprised at her going with Luffy.
Her going to die in a day if she stays on Amazon Lily, only person to survive disease was Nyou and she left the island.
She is in love with Luffy, Luffy will most likely want her to join after all the help she gives him, kind of like how franky joins after all the help he gave luffy.
I don't care if she does or doesn't, but I would bet money on her joining.
Also it seems like Oda threw margerett in just as a joke to make everyone think she is gonna join and is laughing about it now. I mean Luffy is found by an Amazon, and we have a full body shot, like all newcomers get yet no name and stuff underneath. Luffy kidnaps her and they talk and she seems to believe him and she shows a bit of Haki and tells luffy a bit about it. She then gets stones because of Luffy and then Luffy fights to save her. He gets her unstoned and even this chapter she helps him escape and talks more with him. (she seems more like Conis everyday. Conis told them about skypiea. She had to help capture them. She was attacked by leader for betrayal)
Ha Oda was just playing with us, and then he goes and just throws us Hancock the total bitch and a Shichibukai, someone we would never ever expect to join.
What about Robin.
Well, at least for me, there was some foreshadowing that there was more to Robin than the All-Sunday guise let on: Smoker hinting at her ability to destroy the world in Alabasta, the Will of D. matter, her lying to Crocodile about the Poneglyph, her wanting to die in the tomb because she thought her dream was impossible… Maybe it was a bit sudden, I'll admit, but I felt that there was always more hinted at.
With Hancock, there's not much of that, she's presented as vain, selfish, and arrogant because she's beautiful. And she has a complete turnaround because of the secret matter? Again, yes, I understand that we're supposed to feel bad for her, but I feel that a lot more characterization was needed before we jumped into the slave reveal. I honestly think that we needed another chapter on her defrosting for it to flow better, and now with this lovesick business her edge has been completely removed for the time being.
With Hancock, there's not much of that, she's presented as vain, selfish, and arrogant because she's beautiful. And she has a complete turnaround because of the secret matter? Again, yes, I understand that we're supposed to feel bad for her, but I feel that a lot more characterization was needed before we jumped into the slave reveal. I honestly think that we needed another chapter on her defrosting for it to flow better, and now with this lovesick business her edge has been completely removed for the time being.
Under normal circumstances I would agree. However, given Hancock essentially hates all men and has shown that her introduction to men was the definition of horror, Luffy's being the complete opposite of that could easily have a huge impact and effect on Hancock. Because of that reason – while I am not completely ok with everything that transpired, much like you -- I am willing to let it all slide.