Seriously though, I'm sorta somewhat wishing/thinking that he doesn't even own a DF ability, to be honest. o_O
Hito Fruit. :ninja:
Seriously though, I'm sorta somewhat wishing/thinking that he doesn't even own a DF ability, to be honest. o_O
Hito Fruit. :ninja:
If roger had the gomu gomu fruit and became the pirate king you dont think way back when luffy first faught buggy somethign would have been said. Infact wayyy before that when luffy first ate the fruit and shanks was right fucking there?
Please stop with theories that only go on hunches
Who knows - all I'm saying is there seem to be so many similarities between Roger and Luffy - Them having the same DF would be such a unique moment.
But hey it's taken 10 years to get to this point could be another 10 to go so neither you nor I will know for a very very long time. Both of us can just live happy little lives believing what we want to believe and not have to sit across from each other at the table each morning over cornflakes.
Who knows - all I'm saying is there seem to be so many similarities between Roger and Luffy - Them having the same DF would be such a unique moment.
But hey it's taken 10 years to get to this point could be another 10 to go so neither you nor I will know for a very very long time. Both of us can just live happy little lives believing what we want to believe and not have to sit across from each other at the table each morning over cornflakes.
You're joking right?
And the fact that when the user has passed on the fruit grows again.
Has this been confirmed because as far as I know it's just fan speculation.
No not Joking we really can move on with our lives and each are allowed to believe what we want to - no sense trying to convince you what I think just as there is no sense you trying to convince me what you think.
Has this been confirmed because as far as I know it's just fan speculation.
Well …
http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/SBS_Volume_48
D: Excuse me!! May I pose a serious question to the typically-vulgar SBS?? In Volume 46, Usopp said that the same power doesn't exist twice. But this doesn't make sense with what you said in the Volume 45 SBS… If the Gomu Gomu Fruit was in a book of fruits, then Luffy HAD to have eaten at least the SECOND known example of the fruit! Now, most beautiful and intelligent Ei-chan, explain it all! ✩ P.N. Takafi
O: Very sharp of you. But I'm cool. I haven't made any mistakes. As a hint, let me rephrase what Usopp is saying. "The same powers don't exist twice AT THE SAME TIME." How's that? For more detail, you'll just have to wait for a certain professor to make his appearance in the story, and explain exactly what the Devil Fruits REALLY are… Eventually.
I think people would have said something if Luffy had the same fruit as Roger. A hat is just an accessory, and may not have even been something Roger wore a lot. A DF ability is something that sticks for good.
It would be fucking retarded if Roger had the same fruit as Luffy. Oda won't do it.
Roger didn't have the Gomu Gomu No Mi. If he did, people would have mentioned it by now, especially considering Luffy knows Shanks, Buggy, Crocus, and Rayleigh (all members of the Roger Pirates). All four of those guys would have said something about the DF being the same.
I didn't use that reasoning because no one mentioned he's wearing the same hat as Roger did, either. Assuming that image of him with the hat gives us an idea what he usually looked like back when he started out and isn't just him wearing a hat on a whim. Which isn't likely.
I wonder if Roger not only had a Devil fruit, but also got rid of it. Well, that'd be a world's first. How it happened would be a mystery.
On a separate topic, I was thinking of what would happen if a sea creature, fishperson, or merperson ate a DF. If the properties of the DF extend to the aforementioned beings, they wouldn't be able to swim. That would be quite a problem, so I theorize that they simply aren't affected by DFs at all. They can take a bite, or even eat the whole thing, and it'll just be a nasty-tasting fruit. And then the fruit would somehow reform itself from its remains in excrement, available for eating again.
We don't know how long Roger wore the hat though. Some of the flashbacks show Shanks wearing it when he was pretty young, meaning Roger had already passed it on in favor of his more traditional pirate's hat. A Devil Fruit though would be something everyone would know about Roger.
We don't know how long Roger wore the hat though. Some of the flashbacks show Shanks wearing it when he was pretty young, meaning Roger had already passed it on in favor of his more traditional pirate's hat. A Devil Fruit though would be something everyone would know about Roger.
Everyone but us. Oda has the ability to keep a story going without letting the readers know important facts ahead of time, but then reveal that major characters knew all along.
I wonder if Roger not only had a Devil fruit, but also got rid of it. Well, that'd be a world's first. How it happened would be a mystery.
On a separate topic, I was thinking of what would happen if a sea creature, fishperson, or merperson ate a DF. If the properties of the DF extend to the aforementioned beings, they wouldn't be able to swim. That would be quite a problem, so I theorize that they simply aren't affected by DFs at all. They can take a bite, or even eat the whole thing, and it'll just be a nasty-tasting fruit. And then the fruit would somehow reform itself from its remains in excrement, available for eating again.
I think they'd affect them but they can't swim.
example:
A fishman eats a DF. On land he can use the power but underwater he is just powerless like every other being. The difference is that he won't drown. So if he's underwater he can't move like everyone else but wouldn't die more or less in an instant (of course he can' stay there forever since he would starve to death or something).
I'd honestly like to see a fishman eating a DF.
Roger didn't have the Gomu Gomu No Mi. If he did, people would have mentioned it by now, especially considering Luffy knows Shanks, Buggy, Crocus, and Rayleigh (all members of the Roger Pirates). All four of those guys would have said something about the DF being the same.
And everyone knew Ace was the Son of Roger.
The reason Robin had such a high bounty was because of Ohara(spelling)
Everyone knew Whitebeard had an Eathquake ability.
Thing is people knew that - major characters knew those things - but it wasn't revealed till Oda wanted it revealed.
You think he is going to have someone walk up to Luffy and say "Oh wow that's ability is just like Rogers"
Hell most of the time people act surprised when they see someone use a DF - it's almost like in the OP universe you are more known for your name then your DF ability.
Now lets see.
Luffy's Ship is made the same way Roger's was
Was made by the Apprentices of the man who made Roger's ship.
Luffy wears the hat that was worn by Roger.
Has almost the same smile that Roger has.
Has the conviction and ambition to get to one Piece.
Was Trained by Roger's First Mate.
Was protected by Shanks who gave his Arm for Luffy.
The old man in Loguetown who commented that Luffy reminded him of Roger in the Bar (may have been anime only)
Shanks had the Gomu Gomu fruit somewhere close to Luffy - Open - and didn't tell him not to eat it or touch it. With several other similarities between Roger and Luffy that I can't remember off the top of my head just makes me think one of the big reveals is that Luffy will have the same Fruit that Roger had.
The reason it hasn't been mentioned is because Oda is building up to it slowly showing the similarities between Luffy and Roger. Where it will be mentioned and either Luffy and the others have known all along - but we didn't.
Or that the ones who knew it was Rogers ability never said it because it wasn't time to be said.
i really like your examples of whitebeard/robin etc. Your theory is valid. I just think the aura or how i see him, based on the small amount of appearances he has made in the manga. That Roger would be running around stretching and doing these crazy moves like Luffy does. It matches Luffy, he's a dorky kid who would think of crazy moves to do.
Like Whitebeard, Roger is a man. He not the type to do crazy stuff. He was kinda chubby and short. Whitebeard is old and huge. He stands there and destroys people with aplomb and dignity. Roger, in my mind, is the same type. All of the dignified characters in the manga so far have far different abilities from Luffy. The Admirals and their unstoppable Logia, Sengoku, WB, Shiki, BB, etc. He is also shown fighting with a sword. Which leads me to believe he only has haki or a DF that just makes him physically stronger.
i really like your examples of whitebeard/robin etc. Your theory is valid. I just think the aura or how i see him, based on the small amount of appearances he has made in the manga. That Roger would be running around stretching and doing these crazy moves like Luffy does. It matches Luffy, he's a dorky kid who would think of crazy moves to do.
Like Whitebeard, Roger is a man. He not the type to do crazy stuff. He was kinda chubby and short. Whitebeard is old and huge. He stands there and destroys people with aplomb and dignity. Roger, in my mind, is the same type. All of the dignified characters in the manga so far have far different abilities from Luffy. The Admirals and their unstoppable Logia, Sengoku, WB, Shiki, BB, etc. He is also shown fighting with a sword. Which leads me to believe he only has haki or a DF that just makes him physically stronger.
Thats just it - this isn't a story about Roger it is about Luffy.
Another thing what if Roger had already worked out the uses of the Gomu Fruit (If he had it) And instead relied on his fighting ability and Haki - All I am saying is there are enough similarities for me to have a basis that Roger originally had the Gomu Fruit - Shanks hunted for the Fruit - and gave it to Luffy.
Hell we haven't even heard anything about Luffy's mother - what if she was Roger's sister - Then Luffy and Ace would have been Cousins and Luffy would have a direct line to Roger on his mothers side - Also would show why Garp and Roger shared a bond that is a little more connected then just being Rivals. I would say should Luffy's mother be confirmed to be connected in some way to the Gol D family then it is almost certain Luffy has Rogers Fruit.
he didnt give it to luffy ..he just ate it cause he was mad
@Chopper:
he didnt give it to luffy ..he just ate it cause he was mad
Odd how it was right where he could reach it.
Although I admit the whole thing with the Gomu Gomu fruit is somewhat suspicious (after all, aren't they worth a lot of money? Although I guess Shanks could care less for cash), I still don't think Roger had the Gomu Gomu fruit. Not only does he seem like a "No Devil Fruit" type of guy, but there have been moments (Buggy majorly surprised at Luffy's power, for instance) where people who would have known Roger had the Gomu Gomu fruit acted way differently than they should.
I think luffy hasn't the same power than Roger.
It's certain, he has the same desire to be free and the importance of friendship than Roger. If Luffy has the same evil fruit, some people would have said that! But the hidden power which allows him to accomplish all feats, with new friends to each new stop, it's this power which surprises all people.
Luffy has met the same people than Roger because he sails on the same Roger's way. This people notice the same hidden power and want to help him!
I hope you understand what I want to say. I'm French and I don't write English very well :p
Again - people keep saying that someone would have mentioned it to Luffy like this is real life.
If Luffy has the DF power that Roger had - and Oda wants that to be a final reveal then no will have mentioned it. Or like I said in the background it may have been discussed so to speak just never to Luffy.
Tell me at what point in the series so far would revealing Roger's having the Gomu fruit ability would have been astounding? I think it will be coming which is why the similarities between Roger and Luffy are stacking up.
Wana make a bet?
Chapter 19:
Shanks: Oh, we found a Devil Fruit. I've heard that Devil Fruits are incarnations of the devils of the sea. If you eat one, you'll gain special "Devil Powers," but the sea will hate you for it. <captain roger="">said anyone who wants to eat it can go ahead.
Buggy: Gahahahaha, nobody wants to be a anchor for the rest of their life.
[…]
Buggy: The pirate apprentice Buggy will now eat the Devil Fruit!!
Roger Pirate: Dahahahahaha, you kids never bother thinking things through!!
Roger Pirate: I'm impressed, Buggy!!
Roger Pirate: Whoaaa, he ate it!!!
Roger Pirate: Hey Buggy, is your body any different?
Buggy: Nah… not at all...
Roger Pirate: What the hell, was it a fake?
Roger Pirate: I guess the Devil Fruits really are just a rumor after all.</captain>
Chapter 19:
Shanks: Oh, we found a Devil Fruit. I've heard that Devil Fruits are incarnations of the devils of the sea. If you eat one, you'll gain special "Devil Powers," but the sea will hate you for it. <captain roger="">said anyone who wants to eat it can go ahead.
Buggy: Gahahahaha, nobody wants to be a anchor for the rest of their life.[…]
Buggy: The pirate apprentice Buggy will now eat the Devil Fruit!!
Roger Pirate: Dahahahahaha, you kids never bother thinking things through!!
Roger Pirate: I'm impressed, Buggy!!
Roger Pirate: Whoaaa, he ate it!!!
Roger Pirate: Hey Buggy, is your body any different?
Buggy: Nah… not at all...
Roger Pirate: What the hell, was it a fake?
Roger Pirate: I guess the Devil Fruits really are just a rumor after all.</captain>
Oh so Shanks saved Buggy's life.:happy:
Cool so Roger never even wanted to have DF powers. Forgot about that scene.
Chapter 19:
Shanks: Oh, we found a Devil Fruit. I've heard that Devil Fruits are incarnations of the devils of the sea. If you eat one, you'll gain special "Devil Powers," but the sea will hate you for it. <captain roger="">said anyone who wants to eat it can go ahead.
Buggy: Gahahahaha, nobody wants to be a anchor for the rest of their life.[…]
Buggy: The pirate apprentice Buggy will now eat the Devil Fruit!!
Roger Pirate: Dahahahahaha, you kids never bother thinking things through!!
Roger Pirate: I'm impressed, Buggy!!
Roger Pirate: Whoaaa, he ate it!!!
Roger Pirate: Hey Buggy, is your body any different?
Buggy: Nah… not at all...
Roger Pirate: What the hell, was it a fake?
Roger Pirate: I guess the Devil Fruits really are just a rumor after all.</captain>
That last line is kinda suspicious if you ask me. The greatest pirate crew never came across any DF users? Maybe it was the beginning of the voyage and they had all just been recruited so only the original members (Roger, Rayleigh, ect.) had experience with DF's and Df users.
It's right. It's very amazing that Roger's crew didn't know the Devil Fruit! Maybe the begin of their tvoyage!
For become the PK, the Devil fruit power is not necessary. The haki is necessary. This power outdo the power devil fruit.
Just the following history will tell who was right!
@Mr.:
That last line is kinda suspicious if you ask me. The greatest pirate crew never came across any DF users? Maybe it was the beginning of the voyage and they had all just been recruited so only the original members (Roger, Rayleigh, ect.) had experience with DF's and Df users.
I agree seeing as how its obvious that the original members have been to sky islands and other exotic places; they must have knowledge of devil fruits.
Roger may have had one but I highly doubt it was the rubber rubber fruit.
Chapter 19:
Shanks: Oh, we found a Devil Fruit. I've heard that Devil Fruits are incarnations of the devils of the sea. If you eat one, you'll gain special "Devil Powers," but the sea will hate you for it. <captain roger="">said anyone who wants to eat it can go ahead.
Buggy: Gahahahaha, nobody wants to be a anchor for the rest of their life.[…]
Buggy: The pirate apprentice Buggy will now eat the Devil Fruit!!
Roger Pirate: Dahahahahaha, you kids never bother thinking things through!!
Roger Pirate: I'm impressed, Buggy!!
Roger Pirate: Whoaaa, he ate it!!!
Roger Pirate: Hey Buggy, is your body any different?
Buggy: Nah… not at all...
Roger Pirate: What the hell, was it a fake?
Roger Pirate: I guess the Devil Fruits really are just a rumor after all.</captain>
Hmmm I had forgotten all about that.
While it isn't Roger standing there with a signed declaration written in his own blood at the time of his death that he had no DF(jks) - It does make me a little less enthusiastic towards that theory. However that is just a moment in time - also WB was active duiring this time and it seemed to be common knowledge he had the Earthquake ability …. just not to us.
So further lending support to people in the One Piece universe being known for their Names - not their powers. I'm not as sure Roger had the Gomu fruit but I am not discounting it either - too many similarities are popping up for me to consider it unlikely.
@Superbear:
I agree seeing as how its obvious that the original members have been to sky islands and other exotic places; they must have knowledge of devil fruits.
Roger may have had one but I highly doubt it was the rubber rubber fruit.
Why is it unlikely he had the Gomu fruit if he had one?
Because there are no legends of him stretching or using it?
Remember SA Human Auction House - the 3 Captains with the Largest bounties fought together and Neither of them knew the others abilities - Also remember Roger destroyed those he fought with.
Hmmm I had forgotten all about that.
While it isn't Roger standing there with a signed declaration written in his own blood at the time of his death that he had no DF(jks) - It does make me a little less enthusiastic towards that theory. However that is just a moment in time - also WB was active duiring this time and it seemed to be common knowledge he had the Earthquake ability …. just not to us.
So further lending support to people in the One Piece universe being known for their Names - not their powers. I'm not as sure Roger had the Gomu fruit but I am not discounting it either - too many similarities are popping up for me to consider it unlikely.
Shiki was also active at this time.
Have we ever seen a time control fruit ? Or a Dimension Fruit? Bluenos fruit was kinda similiar to a dimension fruit but allowed him only to teleport.
Have we ever seen a time control fruit ? Or a Dimension Fruit? Bluenos fruit was kinda similiar to a dimension fruit but allowed him only to teleport.
Time: Bonney, and Foxy(sort of)
Dimension: Capone, Blackbeard(sort of), and Blamenco
@Superbear:
Time: Bonney, Foxy(sort of)
Dimension: Capone, Blackbeard(sort of)
Meh. A real fruit where the user could slash open dimensions, use attacks and transfer it to the real dimension or slow time. It's just tooo Overpowered.
/drops the idea for good. It's a stupid one for the One Piece world anyways
Meh. A real fruit where the user could slash open dimensions, use attacks and transfer it to the real dimension or slow time. It's just tooo Overpowered.
/drops the idea for good. It's a stupid one for the One Piece world anyways
Sort of sounds like Law.
Law can supposedly shift people's positions as well, but that was only in the anime, but will most likely be in the manga soon.
@Mr.:
Sort of sounds like Law.
Well yeah maybe Oda made Law use it. It's just he uses it in a different way I imagine.
Blamenco's power is sort of similar to Capones if you think about it.
@Mr.:
Blamenco's power is sort of similar to Capones if you think about it.
True, I think its the same sort of relationship The scissor guy and Mr.1 share:
Similar powers but, one diving gimmick.
Don't really know what the gimmick is here though; possibly something to do with the dynamics of hammer space and being a fortress or something.
@Superbear:
Shiki was also active at this time.
Shiki was also Ret-conned into the OP universe - but the basis of the Character was shown in the new Databook released.
It's a gut feeling that Roger had the Gomu fruit - it would really bring the story full circle.
Also with what Rayleigh said being that what they found at Raftel and the choices they made seemed right at the time. Means when Luffy stands there and has to make the Choice it will be what is the alternative to what Roger chose.
Will of D.
Ship made from Adam Wood.
Made by the Apprentacies of Tom.
Similar appearence.
Directly influenced by the crewmembers who were with Roger.
Roger and Luffy having the Same fruit would be an awesome moment of story coming full circle.
I don't like the idea of Roger having the Gomu Gomu fruit. I think Oda already took it way to far with him having a near-identical appearance to Luffy.
I doubt roger had to gomu gomu fruit. Luffy and roger should have at least some distinctive traits, otherwise Luffy is just a Roger Jr in a nutshell.
@2xN:
I don't like the idea of Roger having the Gomu Gomu fruit. I think Oda already took it way to far with him having a near-identical appearance to Luffy.
This.
I think him being the original owner of the strawhat was too far for me. I was expecting something less cliche from Oda. Maybe if it had originally belonged to Rayleigh, at least.
Don't now if anyone else noticed but, the quota for flight granting fruits is supposedly full now. Marco, Lafitte, Pell, and Shiki's fruits all grant flight and according to some SBS there are only four fruits that grant flight.
@Mr.:
I doubt roger had to gomu gomu fruit. Luffy and roger should have at least some distinctive traits, otherwise Luffy is just a Roger Jr in a nutshell.
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-507/page005.html
"Even if I was to tell you all abou the history right here right now. As you are right now you would not be able to do a thing! No take a good long look at the world and who knows you may reach a different conclusion to the one we arrived at."
Luffy to our knowledge is on the same path as Roger - or a similar one (Sky Island) Has a ship that is similar and is apparently the only one that can make the journey. Appears the same in his youth, and has the Will of D the same type of Haki as Roger.
So I think the links are there enough for something like this to happen - Roger having the Gomu fruit prior to Shanks finding it and allowing it to be close to Luffy.
@Superbear:
Don't now if anyone else noticed but, the quota for flight granting fruits is supposedly full now. Marco, Lafitte, Pell, and Shiki's fruits all grant flight and according to some SBS there are only four fruits that grant flight.
Shiki was Retconned into the One Piece universe remember so he may be an aditional - also may have been added so that his DF ability no longer is speculated on. Leaving Zoan style fruits.
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-507/page005.html
"Even if I was to tell you all abou the history right here right now. As you are right now you would not be able to do a thing! No take a good long look at the world and who knows you may reach a different conclusion to the one we arrived at."
Luffy to our knowledge is on the same path as Roger - or a similar one (Sky Island) Has a ship that is similar and is apparently the only one that can make the journey. Appears the same in his youth, and has the Will of D the same type of Haki as Roger.
So I think the links are there enough for something like this to happen - Roger having the Gomu fruit prior to Shanks finding it and allowing it to be close to Luffy.Shiki was Retconned into the One Piece universe remember so he may be an aditional - also may have been added so that his DF ability no longer is speculated on. Leaving Zoan style fruits.
I'm sorry but, what do you mean by that?
Awaits black cat DF user
@Superbear:
I'm sorry but, what do you mean by that?
To my knowledge - which may be wrong to which I am sorry.
But he was developed for the 10th movie and then introduced into the manga via a indevidual comic and then mentioned since. So prior to the 10th movie he wasn't considered part of the OP universe but was something he wanted to introduce so the movie + manga.
Perhaps Ret-conned isn't the right term - I thought it meant introducing something into cannon as if it had always been there. Probably got my facts wrong and it was just a standard introduction via the movie and had a Manga based component.
@Zik:
Awaits black cat DF user
Yeah - while it would be interesting O.o the Furrys would have a field day with it - although would be funny as if the DF user was male XD
I wouldn't count Shiki's fruit as one of the ones granting flight…technically he doesn't fly, he is changing gravity to let himself float around. Although it wasn't specified when Pell talked about the Devil Fruits that allowed flight I got the impression he meant Zoans.
Well then we can't count Lafitte's fruit as a flight fruit either, all he does is push air below him making his body rise off the ground.
Something that has ALWAYS bothered me is that BB's fruit is NOT a Logia! Yeah, he can create infinite amounts of darkness, he can manipulate the darkness, but he cannot become the darkness. If BB is a logia, so is Mr. 3. Sorry if this has already been discussed but I'm not searching through 43 pages to find it. If anyone has any explanations for this I'd be grateful to hear them.
It's been brought up before yeah, I have an old post that covered it here:@Vanessa:
As for why it's a logia? Since like all other Power Users of the same type, their elemental form is the default one, in his case it made him a gravityman in all three ways(become/control/create). Now because of that change, Teach is unable to let anything simply pass through since gravity sucks in everything no matter what it may be. In addition to that, Teach is also no longer be able to cushion any kind of blows coming towards him because of the same reasons as above. Which would also explain why he always takes more damage from attacks than normal.
So all three are covered like every other logia-type Power User.