According to what BB said,
Can he only cancel the DF When He holds get the other
(The attack pattern of the BB equals the special Scorpion "come over here").
That I am sure
darkness consumes only objects
the
factor cancellation of DF "comes with the touch
General Devil Fruit Discussion
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No it isn't.
If that were the case, Luffy nor Ivankov wouldn't have been able to make contact with Magellan during their respective fights.
Plus the whole "gets sick from eating poisonous food" thing.
He doesn't so much get poisoned… its more like if he ate really spicy mexican food and he has weak bowls
And croc is intangible unless theres water around. Ray can hit Kizaru using haki. Plus there hasn't been enough details released about his DF to have any hard facts. So theres nothing to really say his body isn't made of poison, on the contrary there is more evidence pointing to him being made of poison.
@Sea:
Magellan's doku doku fruit is a paramecia.
He is covered with poison, not made of it. He creates poison, not becomes it.Luffy ate paramecia and he "is" rubber. He doesn't exude it.
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According to what BB said,
Can he only cancel the DF When He holds get the other
(The attack pattern of the BB equals the special Scorpion "come over here").
That I am sure
darkness consumes only objects
the
factor cancellation of DF "comes with the touchGravity can suck in all things; during his fight with Ace he did absorb those fire lances. He also bragged about absorbing light. But yes, to cancel a Devil Fruit user's power he does need to touch them, if only for a second.
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Sea@
i know that he is a paramacia (he Can´t become poison)
but he´s body is MADE of poison,
just like Mr 1 case or Kalifa(calipha) caseVanesa@
he can eat poisonous food (which, if a normal person would eat would die)
for Magellan,
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He doesn't so much get poisoned… its more like if he ate really spicy mexican food and he has weak bowls.
Had the Doku Fruit been a become/control type paramecia Devil Fruit and Magellan literally become a poisonman, there should have been no reaction from the poisonous foods he eats.
It's how come someone like Mr. 5 is unaffected by explosions due to the Bomu Fruit regardless of whether they happen inside or outside his body.
And croc is intangible unless theres water around. Ray can his Kizaru using haki. Plus there hasn't been enough details released about his DF to have any hard facts. So theres nothing to really say his body isn't made of poison, on the contrary there is more evidence pointing to him being made of poison.
How your examples are relevant you'll need to explain. Besides, the Doku Fruit isn't a logia.
So no dice, try again.
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Luffy ate paramecia and he "is" rubber. He doesn't exude it.
You have to understand that if Magellan is made of poison then he would be intangible, he would be a logia. Poison is different from rubber
Luffy hit Magellan and made him vomit blood at their first counter with his bare hands. No haki, no seastone, nothing. Just his bare fists striking through the poison armor.
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I think that thing with Magellan is that while poison won't kill him, his body still identifies as a threat and reacts, expelling it from his system. Violently.
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And croc is intangible unless theres water around. Ray can hit Kizaru using haki. Plus there hasn't been enough details released about his DF to have any hard facts. So theres nothing to really say his body isn't made of poison, on the contrary there is more evidence pointing to him being made of poison.Magellan's body only produces poison, like Kalifa's body produces soap. Not once did he actually become poison like Croc can become sand.
Luffy ate paramecia and he "is" rubber. He doesn't exude it.
Luffy isn't actually rubber, his body just has the same properties as it.
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That because there many types of Paramacia,
Luffy can´t turn people into rubber
but Blueno Doa Doa no mi can turn people (and himself to) into doarsi see Magellans as a Material Paramacia user
Like Luffy,and Daz
the DF change the body composition
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-the ability to control and create, but not become, whatever the particular fruit entails
(Mr. 3, Robin, Hina, Foxy, Blueno, Califa, Shuu, Absalom, Perona, Kuma, Bonney, Hawkins, Kidd, Law, Hancock, Magellan, Ivankov, Newgate and Shiki)-the ability to control and literally became, but not create outside of their body, whatever the particular fruit entails
(Luffy, Mr.5, Ms. Valentine, Bentham, Daz Bones, Paula[Ms. Doublefinger], Bellamy, Very Good, Sharinguru, Moria, Bege, Apoo, Inazuma and Joz)Likely some I missed but yeah if they were to be split this might be a good way.
EDIT: So yeah Magellan's body wasn't altered as a result of eating the Doku Fruit.
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they can bleed,but the skin changes of "fabric"
Luffy can bleed, due to the nature of rubber when attacked by sharp object.
Poison is different.
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I never understood how the Yami Yami no Mi was a Logia type fruit. It's pretty much the Fuwa Fuwa no Mi, only Shiki can't negate other devil fruits. Blackbeard claims that his power is the greatest there is, but he's always shown getting beat up. If it was his ability that allowed him to now wield two devil fruits than that's cool. If not that than what's so special about it.
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Its a Logia fruit because he can create, become and manipulate Darkness
That's all there is to it
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Well it was more the combination of the Gura and Yami Fruits that's given Teach the gall to call himself things like "the ultimate being" but I don't understand how you're making comparisons to the Fuwa Fruit.
As for why it's a logia? Since like all other Power Users of the same type, their elemental form is the default one, in his case it made him a gravityman in all three ways(become/control/create). Now because of that change, Teach is unable to let anything simply pass through since gravity sucks in everything no matter what it may be. In addition to that, Teach is also no longer be able to cushion any kind of blows coming towards him because of the same reasons as above. Which would also explain why he always takes more damage from attacks than normal.
I personally do think the Yami Fruit is what's allowing Teach to bend one of the fundamental rules regarding Devil Fruits. I say "bend" since I'm guessing that he never actually ate the Gura Fruit. I'd go into detail but I'm not really sure how to explain it well enough.
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He has not turned into Darkness yet, but it assumed he can
He must love to have his beer belly smacked, burned, vibrated (:ninja:), poisoned.
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in his case it made him a gravityman in all three ways(become/control/create). Now because of that change, Teach is unable to let anything simply pass through since gravity sucks in everything no matter what it may be. .
You know, I wonder if during the time skip, Teach has learned more uses for his control of gravity, absorbing and releasing things, if he's learned how the control his own gravity so everything isn't drawn to him or how to selectively absorb things so he isn't getting hit by anything.
I mean, when he said that against Ace, he had the fruit for what, one or two months at best? And it's not exactly as straightforward as Ace's, too.
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You know, I wonder if during the time skip, Teach has learned more uses for his control of gravity, absorbing and releasing things, if he's learned how the control his own gravity so everything isn't drawn to him or how to selectively absorb things so he isn't getting hit by anything.
I mean, when he said that against Ace, he had the fruit for what, one or two months at best? And it's not exactly as straightforward as Ace's, too.
Yeahh, I was thinking about that too, actually. o_O
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I personally do think the Yami Fruit is what's allowing Teach to bend one of the fundamental rules regarding Devil Fruits. I say "bend" since I'm guessing that he never actually ate the Gura Fruit. I'd go into detail but I'm not really sure how to explain it well enough.
That's what I theorized too, and he probably just sucked the ability out of him. Whether or not he could do that while the user is alive is a different question, though.
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so.. A "q" here: if BB has to touch you to cancel your DF
then he is doomed if he fight against Magellan again, right????????
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Not necessarily; I mean, as soon as Magellan is sucked into Teach's vortex and is touched by him, he'll already by vulnerable by that time, unless he's quick and agile as Ace or something…
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Not necessarily; I mean, as soon as Magellan is sucked into Teach's vortex and is touched by him, he'll already by vulnerable by that time, unless he's quick and agile as Ace or something…
no, what I mean is BB will have to touch Magellan's poison which spreads on
you once it touch you.
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no, what I mean is BB will have to touch Magellan's poison which spreads on
you once it touch you.
Seeing on how his hand didn't get set on fire when he punched Ace, no.
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Ahh, yeah, but as soon as Blackbeard touches him, Magellan's body would stop being poison, no? O_o Then, Magellan would be pretty much helpless at that moment, becoming vulnerable to ordinary punches or other physical attacks and so on..
I'm not sure if he could negate DF powers like so without performing the "Black Vortex", however, although I believe that that it is, like, really likely…
Yeahh...
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it's pretty weird like okay, blackbeard is logia, but he was bleeding after getting punched by luffy, yes ,the power absorb everything including pain, but if it's a logia ,it may be able to dodge like how smoker did? or If i remember right ,i think blackbeard mention he cannot dodge attack like aces and them but he can do something different which is to be able to touch them? and turn every DF user to mortal
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Ahh, yeah, but as soon as Blackbeard touches him, Magellan's body would stop being poison, no? O_o Then, Magellan would be pretty much helpless at that moment, becoming vulnerable to ordinary punches or other physical attacks and so on..
Right.
I'm not sure if he could negate DF powers like so without performing the "Black Vortex", however, although I believe that that it is, like, really likely…
Yeahh...
I think it's if he or the Darkness touches you, your power is turned off. However, if you touch him or the Darkness, your power is not.
Like how Moria's shadow can cut and pierce, but when it's attacked turns into liquid goo.
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@MLG:
it's pretty weird like okay, blackbeard is logia, but he was bleeding after getting punched by luffy, yes ,the power absorb everything including pain, but if it's a logia ,it may be able to dodge like how smoker did? or If i remember right ,i think blackbeard mention he cannot dodge attack like aces and them but he can do something different which is to be able to touch them? and turn every DF user to mortal
Like many have said, Blackbeard's logia abilities differ only in the respect that, unlike the other logia users we've seen, he cannot become intangible to deflect attacks because his specific logia doesn't allow it. He HAS to feel the attacks because his darkness has to suck in everything.
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@S.C.:
I think it's if he or the Darkness touches you, your power is turned off. However, if you touch him or the Darkness, your power is not.
Ahh yes, I think that's pretty much the case as well; that's why the main thing to remember when fighting him is to simply stay away from being in close quarters with him, although even then he would still be a tough foe to defeat. That is, assuming you have a DF to negate in the first place.
Still, now that he also has the power of the Gura Gura no Mi, (plus the less likely possibility of him actually obtaining another power during the two-year timeskip O_o), he has become a far more different, unique kind of opponent altogether….
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I understand that some people are very good at English. But I think I still can understand what they mean.
Logia's don't really dodge attacks. They are simply unaffected by physical attacks.
Blackbeard's power forces him to receive hits, and he feels more pain than normal. It's offset by being able to suck in DF users and take away their power. The dark matter is also able to absorb DF attacks.
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Pretty much yeah.
Teach is likely confident that his physical strength and endurance are strong enough to make up for the inability to let attacks phase through and subsequently receive more damage from them. Add to that a way to shut down Power Users' abilities and having stolen one of the most destructive paramecia-type Devil Fruits it overall balances things out.
That's what I theorized too, and he probably just sucked the ability out of him. Whether or not he could do that while the user is alive is a different question, though.
I'm guessing having the Power User dead would leave the best chance for however Teach utilized the Yami Fruit. Even then, by Shiliew's words, none of them knew that it was guaranteed to work which ties into the whole fate thing the Blackbeard Pirates adhere to.
Plus I'm guessing stealing an ability was a one-time thing and he didn't want to risk getting sliced with a bisento over and over during the attempt.
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I never understood how the Yami Yami no Mi was a Logia type fruit. It's pretty much the Fuwa Fuwa no Mi, only Shiki can't negate other devil fruits. Blackbeard claims that his power is the greatest there is, but he's always shown getting beat up. If it was his ability that allowed him to now wield two devil fruits than that's cool. If not that than what's so special about it.
Mabey because blackbeard came out himself and said it was a logia?
Pretty much yeah.
Teach is likely confident that his physical strength and endurance are strong enough to make up for the inability to let attacks phase through and subsequently receive more damage from them. Add to that a way to shut down Power Users' abilities and having stolen one of the most destructive paramecia-type Devil Fruits it overall balances things out.
I'm guessing having the Power User dead would leave the best chance for however Teach utilized the Yami Fruit. Even then, by Shiliew's words, none of them knew that it was guaranteed to work which ties into the whole fate thing the Blackbeard Pirates adhere to.
Plus I'm guessing stealing an ability was a one-time thing and he didn't want to risk getting sliced with a bisento over and over during the attempt.
The one thing that confuses me with blackbeard stealing whitebeards devil fruit is that once the person dies that ability can be seen again in another devil fruit, so why doesn't that power automaticly leave the person? It doesn't really make sense that you can't have 2 of the same fruits yet blackbeard was able to take a power that should have been gone from a dead whitebeard.
Also i wonder how many devil fruits teach can take before he explodes
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Well it was more the combination of the Gura and Yami Fruits that's given Teach the gall to call himself things like "the ultimate being" but I don't understand how you're making comparisons to the Fuwa Fruit.
As for why it's a logia? Since like all other Power Users of the same type, their elemental form is the default one, in his case it made him a gravityman in all three ways(become/control/create). Now because of that change, Teach is unable to let anything simply pass through since gravity sucks in everything no matter what it may be. In addition to that, Teach is also no longer be able to cushion any kind of blows coming towards him because of the same reasons as above. Which would also explain why he always takes more damage from attacks than normal.
I personally do think the Yami Fruit is what's allowing Teach to bend one of the fundamental rules regarding Devil Fruits. I say "bend" since I'm guessing that he never actually ate the Gura Fruit. I'd go into detail but I'm not really sure how to explain it well enough.
Thinking about it, the Gura Gura fruit turned Newgate into a Quake-man. AoKiji tried freezing him directly in the war, but discovered that "quakes can't be frozen". That means Newgate has "become" quakes. Now that he becomes, controls, and creates quakes, that satisfies the criteria for Logia according to Malintex_Terek's theory. However, Oda specifically stated that he is a Paramecia.
The reason he can't be considered a Logia is because he cannot transform into a material substance. Teach is not a Gravity-man, but a Darkmatter-man. The property of the dark matter is gravitation.
I think Teach sucked in and absorbed Newgate's powers, using the power of the Yami Yami fruit. However, I do not know whether he is able to hold more than 1 power because of his unique constitution, or because of his DF. If it is his DF, I believe his usage of Gura Gura powers is similar to "Liberation", where he releases what he has sucked in. But, because the power is abstract, there is no material ejected out. Without material ejected out, there is no limit to how many times he can use the power. This loophole is similar to how glitches in video games can be abused. (I recall that BB can glitch the game in Unlimited Cruise when he battles. Ironic)
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Ice Ball wasn't that strong nor a deep freeze like he did to Joz, or in general compared to Kuzan's other attacks like Ice Time and Ice Age.
Newgate likely just created a quake to shatter iceman's move.
And yes Teach is a logia, we were already outright told that in the comic.
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@Bentham:The one thing that confuses me with blackbeard stealing whitebeards devil fruit is that once the person dies that ability can be seen again in another devil fruit, so why doesn't that power automaticly leave the person? It doesn't really make sense that you can't have 2 of the same fruits yet blackbeard was able to take a power that should have been gone from a dead whitebeard.
No one really has an answer to that. We don't know how long it takes for a new Devil Fruit to pop up after a Power User dies.
Gotta wait for when Vegapunk is brought into the story I'm guessing.
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No one really has an answer to that. We don't know how long it takes for a new Devil Fruit to pop up after a Power User dies.Gotta wait for when Vegapunk is brought into the story I'm guessing.
Could we ask Franky? He was in the guy's lab for 2 years.
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Vanessa is correct, but what you're saying igetownd is an interesting take on whatever process Blackbeard is going through to attain the Gura Gura powers. We still don't know enough about how DFs work to figure it out, but I personally think of it as the "demon" within the devil fruit that has those powers. If I had to guess, I would think the "demon" would immediately leave the body or soul when it passes, but maybe it lingers in the body?
It starts getting a bit confusing. Devil Fruits are my #1 OP mystery that I'm interested in at this point.
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Ice Ball definitely wasn't the same type of move as Ice Age. The ice covered him, rather than the cold actually hardening his body, and was probably meant to trap him rather than kill him.
My argument against the "become, create, control" theory is weak. There haven't been any abstract Logias, and most likely there never will be, so I don't have any examples to debate about. Teach is the closest one, but he's still dark matter, which is material.
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Vanessa is correct, but what you're saying igetownd is an interesting take on whatever process Blackbeard is going through to attain the Gura Gura powers. We still don't know enough about how DFs work to figure it out, but I personally think of it as the "demon" within the devil fruit that has those powers. If I had to guess, I would think the "demon" would immediately leave the body or soul when it passes, but maybe it lingers in the body?
It starts getting a bit confusing. Devil Fruits are my #1 OP mystery that I'm interested in at this point.
Under that theory does the stealing of the quake man powers mean that there could be a 'demon' inside another fruit holding the same powers? 2 People with the same devil fruit possible?
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In my "demon" theory, no. Just one person has that demon within them.
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@Sea:
He must love to have his beer belly smacked, burned, vibrated (:ninja:), poisoned.
Masochist D Teach.LOL
I don't think he is safe from pain even when in Darkness though
But I get what you mean, if he was agile enough, he could make a hole in himself for stuff to pass through him
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Seawater nullifies Devil fruit powers right? So in the Arlong park arc, how could they stretch his neck through the water?
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It doesn't nullify the powers, it makes them too weak to use it.
But Luffy has a DF power that's always active.
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The reason he can't be considered a Logia is because he cannot transform into a material substance. Teach is not a Gravity-man, but a Darkmatter-man. The property of the dark matter is gravitation.
Just going to say that a property of ALL matter is gravity. Bypassing the argument that dark matter doesn't necessarily exist in reality, it doesn't mean it might not exist in OP.
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It doesn't nullify the powers, it makes them too weak to use it.
But Luffy has a DF power that's always active.
I believe thats why they are considered a hammer in the water - they are too weak to move - or their strength is sapped quickly. As is evident by them touching Seastone and still being able to move or talk and then being exhausted.
Also is it only seawater? I don't know if they have specified if DF's are unaffected by fresh water or not - anyone remember that being specified?
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if it was me i wouldn't want to have the Darkness fruit cause even if i'm in the OP world, I twon't be having such strong physical body and strength, I think It's pretty useless if the User is weak in physical strength and body cause they'll die by getting a punch from anyone like Luffy for example lol or either gives no harm to opponent xD
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@MLG:
if it was me i wouldn't want to have the Darkness fruit cause even if i'm in the OP world, I twon't be having such strong physical body and strength, I think It's pretty useless if the User is weak in physical strength and body cause they'll die by getting a punch from anyone like Luffy for example lol or either gives no harm to opponent xD
I don't think its ever said Blackbeard is physiclaly weaker, just that damage is increased. I don't think his physical attacking power is effected.
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I believe thats why they are considered a hammer in the water - they are too weak to move - or their strength is sapped quickly. As is evident by them touching Seastone and still being able to move or talk and then being exhausted.
Also is it only seawater? I don't know if they have specified if DF's are unaffected by fresh water or not - anyone remember that being specified?
It has simply been talked about as a power emitted by the sea.
But fresh water would have the same problems I think - I recall oda fielding a question about people having a bath, and I assume the water around rain dinners was freshwater - Luffy & Smoker were hammers there.
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I don't think its ever said Blackbeard is physiclaly weaker, just that damage is increased. I don't think his physical attacking power is effected.
no no ,i didnt mean blackbeard is physically weak, of course he is actually strong i'm sure, i was saying me or someone else who got the fruit, for example if someone like FullBody had the fruit, it would be such a waste of an insane fruit
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There is bound to be a devil fruit related to manipulating plants somehow.
It's actually surprising that after almost 600 chapters, there has yet to be one. Maybe Oda is saving such a power for a special occasion.
the little girl in the bounty hunter filler on that iceland had one that could control plants she owned robin untin robin tricked her into wanting to be her friend
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It has simply been talked about as a power emitted by the sea.
But fresh water would have the same problems I think - I recall oda fielding a question about people having a bath, and I assume the water around rain dinners was freshwater - Luffy & Smoker were hammers there.
Yeah it's a tough one - I think personally I'll continue to think that Fresh is fine for DF but Sea Water is deadly. At least until clarified.
the little girl in the bounty hunter filler on that iceland had one that could control plants she owned robin untin robin tricked her into wanting to be her friend
I am a fan of the idea that Anime Filler can be considered an extension of the Manga if Oda has something he wanted to add in after the fact, like Daddy the Father the Plant Island and a few other situations. This does not mean all Filler - at best a small minority of filler can be considered Canon. I subscribe to leaving myself open to the opportunity for "some" filler to be considered canon but only at the endorsement of Oda by inclusion in future manga or SBS - but I am not sure if this one applies though I remember someone mentioning he may have been involved or made the name for the heat heat fruit.
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I am a fan of the idea that Anime Filler can be considered an extension of the Manga if Oda has something he wanted to add in after the fact, like Daddy the Father the Plant Island and a few other situations. This does not mean all Filler - at best a small minority of filler can be considered Canon. I subscribe to leaving myself open to the opportunity for "some" filler to be considered canon but only at the endorsement of Oda by inclusion in future manga or SBS - but I am not sure if this one applies though I remember someone mentioning he may have been involved or made the name for the heat heat fruit.
when the anime guys want to include a new devil fruit or a new story,they usually ask oda-sensei if he intends to use a similiar power or characters later in the manga.
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when the anime guys want to include a new devil fruit or a new story,they usually ask oda-sensei if he intends to use a similiar power or characters later in the manga.
so if that kind of power is already appeared in the anime,there's no chance we will ever see it in the manga.That was it - although what was the deal with the poison like guy in the Re-Imagining of the Chopper Origin - was he poison or something else?