Morikawa does super short chapters occasionally for whatever reason. I give him benefit of the doubt that real life just happens.
But yeah, can Ricardo punch already?
Morikawa does super short chapters occasionally for whatever reason. I give him benefit of the doubt that real life just happens.
But yeah, can Ricardo punch already?
Just because he does them occationally it doesn't he cannot put some actual content in them. A week break as annoying it would be in the moment is still better than this miserable excuse for a chapter.
I'm not a boxing analyst or anything, but I can't help but feel like Wally's monkey boxing would be incredibly impractical in an actual bout.
Every now and then I check up on this series to see how it's doing and man, it really sucks huh? This wally guy is basically a comic relief character taking on the big bad, it's like those goober fan edits where jar jar binks fights a sith lord or whatever.
Nah, worse than that. Ippo has Jar Jar Binks. For Wall-E I don't even know which analogy would make sense.
@Johnny-B-Decent said in Hajime no Ippo:
I'm not a boxing analyst or anything, but I can't help but feel like Wally's monkey boxing would be incredibly impractical in an actual bout.
Extremely. Hence, fiction.
Maybe that's one reason this fight has been so annoying. HnI is normally very good about the technicalities of boxing and how it works, throwing this monkey boxing is rather jarring.
New chapter's out, but...
Boring. We get it Morikawa. Wall-E is a serious treat to Ricardo. Now could we please move actually forward and make some progress you hack?
Well, that's one way to do it. "Devil's teachings" indeed.
New chapter out. Feels even shorter than the ones before.
We're now at three freaking passive rounds of Wally-wanking. Durrr...Can he die already, please ?
I'd like to take a moment to give props to the true MVP in this. Desa, who said to be sitting this one out and will come back onve we tell them the fight is finished. Respect dude. But then again who could have figured that we'd now go weeks of nothing really happening?
I'm so bored. I don't care how good Wally is, let Ricardo kick his ass already.
I would say the big issue with this fight (aside from the obvious acrobatics) is that so far Morikawa hasn't been able to make this fight interesting. Morikawa provides an answer to the question, why Ricardo currently is stunlocked. But he does nothing to answer the question "Is this interesting?" with a yes.
Agreed. Ricardo is being cautious and in doing that, he may be the first to last so long against Wally's uncanny assaults. Maybe in the long run the constant acrobatics will take their toll and Wally will be all worn out and helpless when the champion strikes back, which will be well-deserved and just and enjoyable if it means we see him beaten to a pulp. But in the meantime, does turtle strategy make for an interesting match ? Hell no !
I'm glad to see Wally is keeping Ricardo off of his game. Ricardo is 'the establishment', so seeing someone so very far from being 'the establishment' in how he boxes providing such a head-scratcher for Ricardo is a breath of fresh air. I hope Wally deals some nasty damage before the battle ends.
I get how you're looking at this, alas I find it too difficult to enjoy. I would love if Wally simply gave Ricardo a hard time with unusual tactics, but the way it is currently being told is so one-sided and so forced that I can't bring myself to like the match so far. T_T
Wally's downfall in his fight with Ippo was that he didn't see his accumulated damage piling up, he was too concentrated on having fun and winning. Will all these acrobatics bring him down here? Who knows.
I'm shocked he hasn't broken a rule so far though.
@Satsuki said in Hajime no Ippo:
Will all these acrobatics bring him down here? Who knows.
Well, this time around he certainly isn't taking any damage ¬_¬
But right, who knows, maybe he will do a bad landing on a sommersault and break a leg...
Technically in boxing you're not allowed to hit below the belt, but would that count if you hit a leg when it's passing over your head?
@JulieYBM said in Hajime no Ippo:
I'm glad to see Wally is keeping Ricardo off of his game. Ricardo is 'the establishment', so seeing someone so very far from being 'the establishment' in how he boxes providing such a head-scratcher for Ricardo is a breath of fresh air. I hope Wally deals some nasty damage before the battle ends.
Sorry but that's a bit of a stretch. You are projecting something into the match that doesn't strike as something the author wants to tell us with this match. Plus even if Morikawa would want to convey such a message with this fight, it could still be written more interesting. I think it's quite telling for how bad this fight has been so far if we have to project deeper meanings like these into it to give it some value.
@Ivotas said in Hajime no Ippo:
@JulieYBM said in Hajime no Ippo:
I'm glad to see Wally is keeping Ricardo off of his game. Ricardo is 'the establishment', so seeing someone so very far from being 'the establishment' in how he boxes providing such a head-scratcher for Ricardo is a breath of fresh air. I hope Wally deals some nasty damage before the battle ends.
Sorry but that's a bit of a stretch. You are projecting something into the match that doesn't strike as something the author wants to tell us with this match. Plus even if Morikawa would want to convey such a message with this fight, it could still be written more interesting. I think it's quite telling for how bad this fight has been so far if we have to project deeper meanings like these into it to give it some value.
I don't think I'm projecting anymore than what has been written into the match so far. Wally is fighting irregularly, Ricardo is fighting conservatively and trying to figure out a way to counter such an unorthodox manner of fighting that he's never faced before. I'm sure Ricardo is going to figure something out and win anyway but so far the dynamic of polar opposites is pretty apparent.
@JulieYBM
If you put it that way I get what you mean. I got thrown off by erms like "the establishment" which a certain connotation with them. Usually it has to do with matters of social classes. Especially if we consider that "establishment guy" is taking on a wild jungle boy the wording invites an understanding as if we're talking about social classes rather than boxing styles.
If that's not what you meant, then I stay corrected. But terms like "by the numbers boxer" and/or "unorthodox boxer" would have been a better choice I think. ;)
@Ivotas said in Hajime no Ippo:
@JulieYBM
If you put it that way I get what you mean. I got thrown off by erms like "the establishment" which a certain connotation with them. Usually it has to do with matters of social classes. Especially if we consider that "establishment guy" is taking on a wild jungle boy the wording invites an understanding as if we're talking about social classes rather than boxing styles.If that's not what you meant, then I stay corrected. But terms like "by the numbers boxer" and/or "unorthodox boxer" would have been a better choice I think. ;)
I wasn't using the term literally or in that context but Ricardo HAS been champion forever so in a way he has become 'the rule' of boxing in the series: that rule being "Ricardo is champion, he is unflappable and undefeatable" and at the very least is looks like Wally has been putting a monkey-wrench into that rule by at least getting into Ricardo's head ~a little~ bit. Rocky did the same thing to Apollo, after all.
I'm not sure if Wally will draw blood but frankly I think he's 'spat' on Ricardo and that's good to see.
It still amazes me that a man who has written such balanced characters, were even the natural monsters like Takamura struggle and face obstacles is the same guy who barfed up a literally mary sue tarzan man.
@JulieYBM said in Hajime no Ippo:
@Ivotas said in Hajime no Ippo:
@JulieYBM
If you put it that way I get what you mean. I got thrown off by erms like "the establishment" which a certain connotation with them. Usually it has to do with matters of social classes. Especially if we consider that "establishment guy" is taking on a wild jungle boy the wording invites an understanding as if we're talking about social classes rather than boxing styles.If that's not what you meant, then I stay corrected. But terms like "by the numbers boxer" and/or "unorthodox boxer" would have been a better choice I think. ;)
I wasn't using the term literally or in that context but Ricardo HAS been champion forever so in a way he has become 'the rule' of boxing in the series: that rule being "Ricardo is champion, he is unflappable and undefeatable" and at the very least is looks like Wally has been putting a monkey-wrench into that rule by at least getting into Ricardo's head ~a little~ bit. Rocky did the same thing to Apollo, after all.
I'm not sure if Wally will draw blood but frankly I think he's 'spat' on Ricardo and that's good to see.
I get you now as I said in my previous post. I just think that 'the establishment' was a misleading term to use. That's all.
FLOAT? For fucks sake, this isn't MHA:
https://mangasee123.com/read-online/Hajime-No-Ippo-chapter-1400.html
I feel some weird sense of deja vu now but I'm sure we've seen this before. Wasn't Wally grabbing the top rope and lift himself up the arm with the arm Ricardo cannot see because Wally's body blocks the view? Am I just imagining things or did he use the same thing against Ippo too? Or was that in a completely different manga? Damn this fight is causing me more headaches than it's worth.
I'm really wondering if it's allowed to climb the ropes like that.
Of course it's not. Boxing has it's own set of rules which make it a professional form of martial art thus sepperating it from a random streetfight.
That's actually what I hated most in this chapter, Ricardo going on about primordial hunters who had no rules and what not and just hunted/fought with the tools at their disposal. Like no shit genius, it took you a confrontation with Wally to realize that there's a different way to approach a (fist) fight than to abife by boxing rules? If it's this what you are craving for, then you should perhaps not be a boxer in the first place. And if you want to be challenged as a boxer than this monkey clearly isn't the one proving it, at least in terms of having a strong opponent who is an actual boxer.
@Satsuki No, not in the least.
Sigh... I really can't find anything to say, other than "get on with it already" >(
It looks like Martinez wanted a fighter before Sendo who would be similarly wild, and they got the monkey. But Martinez has also been bored, so that's another reason they chose an "unconventional" fighter. Are you happy now, Martinez?
That's the thing though, if he wanted a fighter like that he could just have started a bar brawl with literally everyone and see how he'd fare there. Or venture into other sports. This fight isn't giving him something new in terms of boxing. It's only "boxing" because Morikawa says so. Not because it is based on actual boxing rules.
The only thing worse than Woli bouncing around is everyone else falling over themselves to spew purple prose about the blessed jungle child
Creator Clash seems more fun right now:
Or hey, maybe this fight would be more fun if Ozzy was narrating the whole thing.
I dislike Woli's antics, and I thought that was my biggest problem with the first fight. But I think I just realized/remembered my actual biggest problem: Woli is just super boring. In the Ippo fight he just annihilated Ippo for 25 or so chapters out of a 30 chapter fight. We are already 8 chapters into this fight and Woli did his antics, but Ricardo did absolutely nothing. If you want to write a crazy Monkey-Fu fight, make it an entertaining back and forth. I won't love it, but at least I'm not bored to death. Here's hoping that will start with the next chapter.
@NightGrinder said in Hajime no Ippo:
I dislike Woli's antics, and I thought that was my biggest problem with the first fight. But I think I just realized/remembered my actual biggest problem: Woli is just super boring. In the Ippo fight he just annihilated Ippo for 25 or so chapters out of a 30 chapter fight. We are already 8 chapters into this fight and Woli did his antics, but Ricardo did absolutely nothing. If you want to write a crazy Monkey-Fu fight, make it an entertaining back and forth. I won't love it, but at least I'm not bored to death. Here's hoping that will start with the next chapter.
That's what I've been saying a few chapters back. This is not interesting. I myself am willing to give weird over the top acrobatics a pass if the batshit crazyness is super entertaining. Kinda like one gives guilty pleasure experiences a pass. You some part of it isn't right but you're ok because it entertains you. This does not. It's boring, it's bland, it sucks.
We KNOW Wally is his test match, move on.
Part of me wants to say that this wasn't half bad because this kinda looked like a boxing match what with the absence of bullshit acrobatics. But that opens up a whole different an of worms as to why Wally abandoned the strategy that worked well so far.
Yes, at least something was happening that looked like fighting. But it ended.
Hey, they finally noticed Wally is using the ropes too much.
Yeah, and they called it favoritism for enforcing the rules. That's actually a pretty 2022 mindset to have. That it's something to write home about.
Heck of a fight so far, I'm really looking forward to seeing how Wally keeps the pressure on now that one of his weapons has been taken out. I wanna see Ricardo sweat some more!
Well...At least the fight is not one-sided anymore, Ricardo is doing something now and it's not disagreeable to see him sweat a bit.
But the part where everyone and their sister are constantly ecstatic about Wally's speed, strength, ass and everything: What. A. Pain.
Someone please put me out of my misery and call me again when he has taken some heavy hits :(((
In all honesty, even if we leave all the Wally hate out, I just think this is a bit too much of a nerf to Ricardo. Like this chapter focused so much on hyping up what Wally can do, that we literally had the prime boxer in the weight class basically go "well, there's nothing special about me. I can just do normal boxing". Like wtf dude? Wasn't this the guy that was so high level that nobody, no matter how they prepared even could land a hit on him because he's that much of a genius at boxing? And now this it's nothing to write home about and something he needs to apologise for?
I get the idea of his skills being inexperienced with a guy like Wally, who's pretty much breaking the rules of boxing. But there's a difference between encountering something unknown for the first time and having you question that what makes you yourself special to this degree.
But there's also good things in this chapter. The last panel for instance. Face to fist style. I like it.
Yeah the "just do the normal" I thought was very odd. In his fight with Date he started out basic, but when Date pushed him enough he went total street fighter on him. Why not do that now?
Hell, yeah. I went and checked the Date-Ricardo fight (that I had not read before) : whatever happened to crazy pressure, aggressively pushing in and fierce trades with lightning-fast reflexes ? It's like we're seeing a different Ricardo.
Honestly the perceived power difference in the current fight is reaching DBZ levels of stupid; anytime now someone's going to say Wally fights in a league of his own and they'd better not interfere.
In all honesty, this entire mess makes no sense no matter how you look at it. I can accept Wally's style surprising Ricardo so much that he actually got hit. That actually works. But no way are bullshit acrobatics that OP that a fighter loses track of his opponent. It's one thing to have a different style and a completely different thing that a skilled professional fighter like Ricardo can not hit a moving target. And that's just if we apply real world logic.
It get's far worse though if we apply manga logic previously used in this very same series. We had Takamura knock out a friggin bear with his fists. A real wild animal, not just a boy acts like one. While Ricardo is not Takamura, he's still portrayed to be a league of his own in his weight class. It just doesn't make sense for him to be this helpless simply because boxers are not helpless if they get into a fight with someone who doesn't play by professional boxing rules. This fight is an absolute shitshow.