@electricmastro Brother, you contradict yourself in such convulted ways.
You keep saying you'd accept Yamato anywhich way they choose to present themselves, while ignoring the fact that Yamato never showed any doubt in the way they present themselves.
Saying you're now expecting Oda to show more of Yamato in post-Kaidou Wano or in a cover story to assert his actual gender is the equivalent of saying you're expecting a cover story where Luffy learns to cook, after the story and the characters have commented repeatedly that Luffy is a bad cook. Thats who he his, that's his character.
@electricmastro said in Chapter 1084: The Attempted Murder of a Celestial Dragon:
@Goukan said in Chapter 1084: The Attempted Murder of a Celestial Dragon:
@electricmastro said in Chapter 1084: The Attempted Murder of a Celestial Dragon:
@FolhaS said in Chapter 1084: The Attempted Murder of a Celestial Dragon:
People are relating to Yamato's way of being. Using male pronouns but not hiding his more feminine looks. Being confortable in both the mens bath and the girls colour spread.
Yamatos development as a character as never once been presented as something related to his/their gender yet people keep trying to sell the idea that once Yamato drops the Oden moniker he'll also drop the male pronouns.
At this point, I think it really just depends if Yamato has any personal desire to still be a woman despite what was outwardly said about sons and being Oden and all that.
If Yamato admits to abandoning any and all desire to be a woman even after gaining freedom, then I’ll accept that.
Chapter 1054:
- Aramaki: "Who are you?"
- Kawamatsu: "Sir Yamato...!!"
- Yamato. "I'm Yamato!! The son of Kaido!!!"
- Aramaki: "Son of Kaido?!"
Go ahead. Accept it.
Stop beating around the bush and accept it.
I accept that it’s true Yamato said that:
Again, I repeat:
“depends if Yamato has any personal desire to still be a woman despite what was outwardly said”
I'm not trying to deny anyone who calls Yamato a male. I'm just trying to form an analytical viewpoint and look beyond what was said. If Oda really wanted us to look at this in only one way, then he wouldn't be doing things like Chapter 1084's color spread, right?
You are, right here, denying Yamato's own right to call himself a male. You are denying Yamato's right to change his name, as if people, even without being queer, didn't have the right to change or drop a name they've been given at birth and adopt a new one.
You are insisting Yamato is possibly confused about who he is or how he wants to identy himself. And this, in my point of view, is what crosses the line.
Everyone in the queer/lgbtiq+ community has heard that shit. "You're not bisexual, you're just undecided/confused." "You're not a lesbian, you just haven't had a good relation with a man." "Non-binary doesn't exist, you're either a man or a woman, pick a side."
You are not just waiting for the story to develop more (in a direction that the story shows no interest in going). You are not doing a literary annalysis.
You are outright rejecting and ignoring all the voices, inside the story and in the real world, that there is more to gender that male and female, that there is a spectrum that goes from not identifying with any of those genders to identifying with both of them at the same time, and that it's perfectly normal and acceptable even if uncommon.
And quite honestly it's a pretty fucking silly discussion to come up in a series that showed us, on page, Ivankov transitioning from male to female and female to male just because they felt like it, 15 years ago.