Bounties After Wano

[RomanceDawn]

So I remembered we had a long discussion about bounties after Whole Cake and wanted to discuss bounties going forward after Wano. Not just talking about numbers though, I'd like insight from others as to how Oda would use these numbers to "balance" the rest of the series. Maybe it's not an issue it at all but this is a topic thats really interesting to me beyond the raw numbers.

This is like the 4th time I've tried to bring up this topic around the internet since Arlong Park went down. Please lets talk about it! I'm lonely.

So where do you all expect Straw Hat bounties to end up after all this? For reference I've included known bounties of the bigger enemies who are actually present in the arc as well as Shanks and Black Beard. Should Kaidou and Big Mom go down does Luffy get a bounty bigger than Teach and Shanks? Do Luffy's biggest fighters cross into the billions club just yet? Are you all ready for Nami and Chopper to cross into the hundreds of millions?

Big Mom - 4,388,000,000.B
Kaido - 4,611,100,000.B

Smoothie - 932,000,000.B
Jack - 1,000,000,000.B
Queen - 1,320,000,000.B
Perospero - 700,000,000.B

Oven - 300,000,000.B
Daifuku - 300,000,000.B
Hawkins - 320,000,000.B
Drake - 222,000,000.B(as of 2 years ago)
Mont'dor - 120,000,000.B

Black Beard - 2,247,600,000.B
Shanks - 4,048,900,000.B
Ace - 550,000,000.B

With the team ups going on I don't think Luffy will get a bounty bigger than Kaido's or Linlin's. Well maybe thats not necessarily true. What ever the result of the war is I think Luffy needs to stay under Teach's bounty just for the sake of being an underdog in the future. Teach stated he was going to go after something that he didn't want the Government to get so maybe that confrontation rockets him even higher beyond his 2 billion bounty. At the same time if both Emperors are out right defeated and Luffy is the key reason for it how do you not justify a 4Billion+ bounty?

I'm also trying to keep in mind Roger's bounty of 5,564,800.000.B. This seems to be the ceiling in which Luffy will reach and surpass as the Pirate King probably reaching that golden 5,600,000,000.B for gomu pun. I can only imagine this happening after Raftel. Maybe it goes even higher once the world is saved. Of course at that point Luffy is a hero, does the bounty get raised???

I guess I'm trying to think of a way for the characters to feel like they could increase 1 or 2 more logical bumps before Laugh Tale. The Commanders of Emperor crews we have now are like the peak of what subordinates get as far as we can tell. I mean even Queen is less than a Billion away from Teach. Someone help me imagine a scenario where Zoro, Sanji and Jimbei defeat someone commander level and don't end up with a billion+ bounty. I feel like a number like that would be too soon if a few more increases happen before the confrontation with Teach. That's just my feeling. I certainly was blown away by 1.5billion after Katakuri and the Whole Cake adventure.

Though now that I think about it, Shank's crew was referred to as being the most well rounded. What if his top guys are closer to the 2 billion range and Teach's top guys end up being up there as well? In that case I could see Zoro beating a 1.4 billion King and ending up with 1.5 billion himself. Or does each Straw Hat get some sort of aid that has them end up with a bounty a little less than their enemies?

Franky, Nami, Brook, Chopper, Usopp and Robin are in really comfortable positions to all end up with bounties in the hundreds of millions. And I say this because of all the Ovens and Hawkinses running around. Of course this is all depending on the worth of their enemies or contributions to the over all fight. Of course gags and puns should be taken into account cause One Piece always gonna One Piece.

And finally I'm taking into account that most every major event of this battle will be known to the government and marines because of CP0 being present.

Here are some bull ship numbers, no puns sorry. And please these aren't my hard numbered guesses. I'm just trying to get discussion going.

Luffy - 3.5 Billion
Zoro - 1.5 Billion
Sanji - 1.4 Billion
Jimbie - 1 Billion
Usopp - 500 Million
Robin - 430 Million
Franky - 400 Million
Brook - 370 Million
Nami - 200 Million
Chopper - 150 Million

I don't know, it's just fun to imagine. What do you all think?

[Monquito]

@RomanceDawn:

Luffy - 3.5 Billion
Zoro - 1.5 Billion
Sanji - 1.4 Billion
Jimbie - 1 Billion
Usopp - 500 Million
Robin - 430 Million
Franky - 400 Million
Brook - 370 Million
Nami - 200 Million
Chopper - 150 Million

Nice thread, and cool that you added the other rewards for reference. now, well Luffy oftenly suprasses the rewards of the people he beats up, but it's indeed quite hard to picture that is going to be the case here, and if Luffy doesnt may be that Zoro and the others don't either.
So here's what I'm thinking;

Luffy is going to double his actual reward reaching 3 Billion.
Zoro will not get the 1billion mark from my perspective, because he's not a danger to civilians and cause he's going to destroy Mihawk's history as an infamous swordsman, so I'm thinking 900 million will do.
I'm pretty conflicted with Jinbe and Sanji at this moment, at this point I don't even see why Jinbe can't fight Queen and Sanji Jack, I suppose it really depends on who they're going to fight, for all we know Sanji might be pushed back to fight Tobi Roppos instead, Jinbe is too damn strong for that shit. But since I believe they both are staying behind Zoro once this ends, Im going with 700Millions for Jinbe, 650Millions for Sanji.
With Usopp, I don't know how much Oda wants to keep on going with his ridiculous massive bounty, but if that's the case, I'm going for 400Million
Franky is the one who deserves de 200Million Usopp currrently has, so I'm going for 240Millions for him.
Brook is also totally going beyond 200Million but will remain lower than Franky, so 210Million on Yohoho.
Robin, she's doesn't get that much of big increases over time, and I don't know if she's finally getting her own versus, so she's ending up with 170Million, even tho, if it leaks out that Luffy will come out with 3 Road Poneglyphs, that's going to put the WG super stressed, and that would justify for a much bigger increase, sort of like uhm 270million would do.
Nami, she kinda hates becoming more and more notorious on her rewards, but with Zeus around, is just inevitable that she will, so, she's also going tu surpass the 100Million(at the very least). not sure of a more specific number here, just above 100Million.
Chopper, well, X Drake is here, and he could finally tell the Marines that they have been understimating him, so it would be a good time for him to finally get a real reward, but in the other hand, Oda loves being cruel on him, so unless Drake tells the tale, Chopper is either getting a big increase, or remain being a cute pet, with 200 bellies. doubling his actual reward only.

Plus, let's also consider that others will get increases as well, more specifically Law and Kidd, and there's still plenty of enemies to feed up on those two, Perospero, Oven, Daifoku, Smoothie, the Tobi Roppo, Kaido's son(if he's strong), and in the eyes of the one who can tell the marines what the fuck just happened in Wano(once again X Drake), those two along with Luffy are the main heads leading the whole raid on Onigashima, and since they both might also participate in whatever is going to happen to Linlin, and in Kaido's defeat itself, I'm thinking Kidd is going to get 1.7Billion, leaving him still as a somewhat rival to Luffy, and Law will get 1.2Billion, being the master mind who started all this from Punk Hazard.

[King Cannon]

I think it's too early for anyone but Luffy to hit the billion mark.

Especially after how we've been following Luffy's progression to get that bounty in the first place. Dude had to fight two Commanders for like half a day or so to get to that level.

[Kaworu]

Extremely hard to predict, as your post shows there are countless factors to consider.
I'll go ahead and make my prediction.

Luffy: IF Blackbeard's bounty gets increased a lot due to him obtaining an Ancient Weapon: Luffy hits 2.5 bil. If Blackbeard's bounty does NOT raise: Luffy hits 2 bil.
Zoro: 1.2 bil?
Nami: 300 mil
Usopp: 300 mil
Sanji: 1 bil
Chopper: 100 mil or 200 mil
Robin: (if accurately done) Should realistically be incredibly high due to how close they are to Raftel and her knowledge. Beyond 500m? If her Poneglyph knowledge is for some reason not accounted for, then low hundred millions.
Franky: 400m
Brook: 300m
Jinbe: High hundred mils or a bil

I make no claim that these will end up correct but it'll be cool to see how close I get on some when Wano ends in 2-3 years. I'm also factoring in that the SH's are less dangerous to civilians.

[RomanceDawn]

Have not read responses yet but yes! Nice big responses! How I've missed it! Just hook it to my veins!

Edit:
@Monquito - 3 Billion does seem like a good ending point for Luffy. It says he can contend with the others but doesn't control territory or is as evil. Kinda sorta maybe? And then it still leaves him less than Shanks and potentially less than Black Beard should he do something like steal an Ancient Weapon like Kowaru said. Oh yeah also like Kowaru mentioned they may factor in Luffy not being dangerous to civilians.

I also agree that Zoro will end up higher than both Jimbei and Sanji it's just at this point I'm wondering if Oda will do the old way where Zoro had a considerable lead above most of the others or did he start a new neck and neck trend with Sanji? Jimbei's first bounty at 76mill is just funny when you look at Sanji's first bounty of 77mill, I wonder if we're going to see some reference later.

@King Cannon - I too believe 1 Billion is just about too much for anyone that isn't Luffy but I just can't imagine anyone taking on Smoothie, Jack, Queen and King aside from the Straw Hats. Well I do believe Kid and Law certainly could I just think they will be preoccupied with the Emperors themselves.

I suppose I'm selling Neko, Inu and Ashura short because they did show themselves to be worthy of a fight against Jack and they all did manage to get hits in. To me Jack more or less stood out on top though. Neko and Inu tag teamed for days resting and restoring in 12 hour sets while Jack kept going. They wore him down until he resorted to poison gas but I think that says a ton about Jack. Then you have a one legged Inuarashi who managed to fight Ashura evenly when trying to recruit him and I just don't know if individually they will be enough. Well maybe I answered my own question, maybe they tag team him again! Sulong and all. Though speaking off Sulong, I imagine it's going to be the greatest thing ever until it runs out the enemy Zoans regenerate for round 2. In this scenario I feel like a Straw Hat will have to step in where the scabbards come up short.

And those 3 scabbards have outright stated that they became stronger in the last 20 years. I really don't believe Kinemon, Raizo, Kiku or Kawamatsu are at their level. Denjiro most certainly leveled up as well. We just haven't seen much beyond him blocking a strike from Zoro.

Oh no… I just imagined a scenario where Drake and Hawkins defect and go after one of the Calamities or Sweet Single.

[lello4ever]

Zoro and Sanji to get 1b+ bounties? Too much for me.

[Shiebs]

I'm just guessing here but I think Luffy's new monster trio (zoro, sanji and Jinbei) are gonna face off against Kaido's three calamities

Zoro vs King, Sanji vs Queen, and Jinbei vs Jack

then they'll each get over billion bounty

the only reason that might not happen is cause there wouldn't be much upward momentum left for them, very few people are stronger or as strong as the top three Yonko subordinates

After this arc it would basically be Admirals and Black Beards top three, and whatever type of new force Vega Punk has created….. and maybe a few of the level 6 prisoners who escaped

[Monquito]

But it won't look too good if Zoro just randomly beats up King when Luffy had so much trouble with Katakuri. Zoro is finally going full beast+getting some assistance from someone.
Same for whoever fights Queen.

Jack is just meh.

[Shiebs]

@Monquito:

But it won't look too good if Zoro just randomly beats up King when Luffy had so much trouble with Katakuri. Zoro is finally going full beast+getting some assistance from someone.
Same for whoever fights Queen.

Jack is just meh.

There’s a chance Marco could face off against King

Two right hand subordinates of a Yonko who can both turn into bird creatures and produce flames

And since it’s been like two weeks since Catviper went to see him maybe Jozu can come and face Queen

Maybe they save Sanji and Zoro at last second

Sorry I’m just throwing ideas out there to see if they’ll stick

Although Jinbei vs Jack doesn’t seem that crazy to me

Both are fishman and one cause droughts, a lack of water, against the literal best water bender in the entire series

[uniaka ikuzakas]

Luffy: 2,5 - 3 billion
kidd: 2 billion
law: 1,8 billion
soba mask: 800m
zoLo: 790m
jimbe 750m

[Monquito]

Come to think of it, now that Luffy has his Calamities/Sweet Commanders(Zoro, Sanji, Jinbro). one thing we should consider here is that Franky, Brook and Robin would likely come out of Wano as the Tobi Roppo/Ministers of the Straw Hat crew, so I'm probably super wrong about those guy's bounties and all of them get very close, or surpass 300Million.
After all, Daifoku and Oven are both at 300Million, Perospero is at 700Million, and X Drake's pre time skip bounty and still the one we know of is 222Million(even tho this one might be totally fake due to him being actually a Marine), but the other Tobi Roppos should be somewhere around the same as Oven, Daifoku and Perospero.

Meaning those three are getting major increases actually, and if they do, maybe, just maybe, Zoro, Sanji and Jinbro pass the 1Billion mark or get very close to it.

[El-Matematico]

Luffy will end between 2 and 2.5 billion. Jimbe with slightly over 1 billion while Sanji and Zoro end in the 700-900 million range.

[Darker]

If Zoro/Sanji ultimately defeat the likes of King/Queen/Jack, their bounties should be above 1 billion.

[Jabra]

I believe Jinbe will be catapulted into the billions or close to it just by association with Luffy, even if he doesn't get to fight a calamity.

Up until now there was no reason to give this guy a bounty in the first place, since he's not a threat to anyone and the government knows that.

Quite the opposite, considering that he's basically your Friendly Neighborhood Fishman who tries to help civilians whenever he can. He's like the opposite of Caribou and Kid, who got an inflated number due to brutality.

However, becoming the underling of the soon-to-be biggest threat to the WG (alongside Blackbeard) should be enough of a reason to adjust his threat-level accordingly. His attitude doesn't matter anymore if he champions the cause of Luffy (as opposed to his loose status as allied captain of Big Mom, which was basically just friends with benefits).

Zoro will be going above 1 billion by defeating King, as name and fame are the pillars of his character, part of his dream even. That he isn't part of the Worst-Gen wanking yet is also mega suspicious, so I assume Oda will play that card when the time is right. Similiar to this scene in Dressrosa:

Zoro: "Oh yeah, I've forgot to say one thing….there is more to the Straw Hat Crew than Straw Hat Luffy and God Usopp. Don't forget this: I will be the greatest swordsman in the entire world. I'm on an entirely different level than you."

Sanji doesn't desperately require an increase in bounty, but I still believe Oda will make it clear that he's next in line after Zoro and comparable to Jinbe.

So I'm guessing for Luffy and his top 3:

Luffy in the 2,XX range, Blackbeard style

Zoro a bit above 1 billion

Sanji and Jinbe between 800-999

For the rest of the crew anything goes, probably around 300 and 400 million. Considering that one of the Flying 6 is female I could also see Nami getting a substantial increase.

[Sengokusgoat]

Considering how big this arc is supposed to be, I can't possibly see Luffy getting a smaller increase now that after WCI. But by that same, token, I can't see this as the biggest increase we're gonna see because that should be the last (and probably next) one. So assuming he'll end up close to Roger's 5.5 billion and he's now 1.5 billion. The last increase was 1 billion so it should be bigger than that. But 2 billion would already make the Wano jump as big as the last one, so I'm gonna go with 1.5 billion and leave him at 3 billions. Now for the rest:

Zoro: 1.420 billion
Sanji: 1.330 billion
Jinbe: Let's give him a square billion
Usopp: This is honestly a wildcard but let's say 500 million
And for the rest, I'm gonna go with a flat 300 million increase too
Robin: 430 million
Franky: 394 million
Brook: 383 million
Nami: 366 million
Chooper: 10000(a hundred-fold increase. Epic)

[lello4ever]

@Darker:

If Zoro/Sanji ultimately defeat the likes of King/Queen/Jack, their bounties should be above 1 billion.

I don't understand how can zoro or sanji defeat single handedly king or queen. Luffy a few days ago hardly managed to deal with katakuri, and now zoro should do the same? that would mean that luffy and zoro are about the same level, and we know they aren't. so I think the calamities will be defeated only with a team work, just like luffy and kaido. luffy just can't defeat kaido alone right now, it's nonsense.

[LightningAce]

Based on current Emperor crew bounties…I can only see only Zoro surpassing a Billion bounty atm after this arc depending on if he actually fights King.

Luffy will skyrocket to say 4 billion mark i reckon, because he'll have added to his huge alliance with Wano & the Minks which makes him an even bigger threat to the World government than before.

The rest i cannot really sepeculate until we see the match ups

[Jabra]

@lello4ever:

I don't understand how can zoro or sanji defeat single handedly king or queen. Luffy a few days ago hardly managed to deal with katakuri, and now zoro should do the same?

Luffy beat Katakuri as an equal, while Zoro would have extreme difficulties dealing with King. He would be the clear underdog, that's the difference.

That said, what many readers are looking for in Wano are massive growth-battles, much like in Alabasta or Enies Lobby. Hurdles that seem impossible to overcome, but they'll manage anyway. It's been over a decade since we had those types of fights, people are starving for some real action.

[uniaka ikuzakas]

Depends how many more Bounty updates are there for SHs until the end, but I don't see luffy's side get big bounties before facing the bb pirates. like even now there is no way someone like burgess has bounty on par with queen or king.

You don't want someone like zoro to have like 2 billion or more before facing his bb pirate, when even bb himself barely has 2,2 b.

1,3 is the final veteran NW, 50 years old top yonkou commander type of Bounty, can't have punks like zoro and sanji reach that at 21 when they got here in NW 1 month ago. Yeah, there's luffy, but he is yonkou and we know for a fact that he will surpass 5,6 b of roger by the end so he has to have at least 1,5 by now.

[Darker]

@lello4ever:

I don't understand how can zoro or sanji defeat single handedly king or queen. Luffy a few days ago hardly managed to deal with katakuri, and now zoro should do the same? that would mean that luffy and zoro are about the same level, and we know they aren't. so I think the calamities will be defeated only with a team work, just like luffy and kaido. luffy just can't defeat kaido alone right now, it's nonsense.

Yep, Zoro will defeat King or some other character that’s around King’s level.

And I’m dead serious about it.

For the Yonko (Kaido and Big Mom), I do agree that there should be some kind of team effort in order to bring them down though.

[King Cannon]

@Jabra:

Luffy beat Katakuri as an equal, while Zoro would have extreme difficulties dealing with King. He would be the clear underdog, that's the difference.

That said, what many readers are looking for in Wano are massive growth-battles, much like in Alabasta or Enies Lobby. Hurdles that seem impossible to overcome, but they'll manage anyway. It's been over a decade since we had those types of fights, people are starving for some real action.

Luffy had extreme difficulties against both Cracker and Katakuri. Those battles literally lasted the whole day/night, with Luffy only winning because his stamina/endurance was much higher than his enemies' (and because he could eat tons). He was definitely the underdog, at least against Katakuri.

Never mind that the likes of Jack could fight for weeks without break.

[Gia Sado]

@King:

I think it's too early for anyone but Luffy to hit the billion mark.

Especially after how we've been following Luffy's progression to get that bounty in the first place. Dude had to fight two Commanders for like half a day or so to get to that level.

If Zoro, Sanji and Jinbe all fight Yonko commanders, which are literally the point they need to be at post-Wano if Luffy successfully takes down the possible Ace or Kaido (as a team), then they all should be a billion or above.

This is the growth arc. Other people are hitting the nail on the head.

Relate it back to when Luffy got 100 Million. Zoro entirely eclipsed Luffy's first bounty (30 Million) with 60 million. Then when Luffy hit 300 million, Zoro surpassed Luffy 100 million bounty with 120 million at Water 7. After Dressrosa, Zoro surpassed Luffy's 300 million Berry bounty, and now Sanji and Jinbe have done the same. Luffy has gained more bounty levels now (400, 500 and 1.5 billion), and will probably be well over the 2 billion mark after this arc. Its only appropriate that his top commanders (Zoro, Sanji, Jinbe) all grow to billion plus bounties, considering the fact that their fights may be with Jack, Queen and King, all Billion + bounty level pirates.

We NEED Luffy's crew to get super strong this arc. After this there may be other non-Yonko arcs but we hit the big leagues and plot ending shit most likely as well. We need to stop underestimating the main characters just like the villains do lol.

[Kishido]

Luffy 3.5 billion

Zoro above 1 Billion
Sanji as well if he fights someone like Queen
Jinbe 700 Million
Dunno about the rest

[The D.]

Everytime I'm reminded that Usopp has a higher bounty than Franky I die a little inside. Seriously wg? The guy who potentially memorized the blueprints of an apocalyptic superweapon is less of a danger than the manga equivalent of the cowardly lion? The fuck?

[Kishido]

@The:

Everytime I'm reminded that Usopp has a higher bounty than Franky I die a little inside. Seriously wg? The guy who potentially memorized the blueprints of an apocalyptic superweapon is less of a danger than the manga equivalent of the cowardly lion? The fuck?

What about Robin?

[King Cannon]

@Gia:

If Zoro, Sanji and Jinbe all fight Yonko commanders, which are literally the point they need to be at post-Wano if Luffy successfully takes down the possible Ace or Kaido (as a team), then they all should be a billion or above.

This is the growth arc. Other people are hitting the nail on the head.

Relate it back to when Luffy got 100 Million. Zoro entirely eclipsed Luffy's first bounty (30 Million) with 60 million. Then when Luffy hit 300 million, Zoro surpassed Luffy 100 million bounty with 120 million at Water 7. After Dressrosa, Zoro surpassed Luffy's 300 million Berry bounty, and now Sanji and Jinbe have done the same. Luffy has gained more bounty levels now (400, 500 and 1.5 billion), and will probably be well over the 2 billion mark after this arc. Its only appropriate that his top commanders (Zoro, Sanji, Jinbe) all grow to billion plus bounties, considering the fact that their fights may be with Jack, Queen and King, all Billion + bounty level pirates.

We NEED Luffy's crew to get super strong this arc. After this there may be other non-Yonko arcs but we hit the big leagues and plot ending shit most likely as well. We need to stop underestimating the main characters just like the villains do lol.

Then wouldn't it make sense for Luffy's 500M bounty to be surpassed instead? At least following the logic of surpassing Luffy's bounty. Zoro didn't really surpass Luffy's post-timeskip 400M yet. And it's unlikely anyone will get beyond the 1.5 billion.

Not to mention that Emperor Captain bounties tend to be ridiculously inflated in comparison to their subordinates. Kaido himself is worth more than his Commanders put together. Same for Big Mom.

Plus, we have the likes of Kid and Law to take in account. Most likely they will get their own fights in order to establish their power, especially Kid since we don't know much about where he stands.

[The D.]

@Kishido:

What about Robin?

In my opinion I think Robin should have one of the highest bounties in the series. She possibly the last person who can decipher the poneglyphs and reveal the true history. Surely an oppressive government would want to keep a lid on that at all costs, no?

[FolhaS]

I agree with the notion of Luffy doubling his current bounty. Something around 3 billion sounds about right.
Yes, it's bigger than Blackbeard's current bounty but I'm sure his bouty will also go up in the future after he raids some important place.

Kidd and Law will also surpass the billion mark since they're captains. Maybe something close to the 2 billion mark without breaking it or at least around Luffy's current 1,5 billion.

Luffy's an emperor now so his underlings need to get on the same level as the other emperor's underlings.

Zoro's bounty will be 1,2 billion, mirrowing his second bounty of 120 million. Leaving him room to grow to 3,2 billion by the end of the series.
It's a shame we don't know Rayleigh's bounty yet, to make a comparison.

Sanji will either double our triple his current bounty of 333 million, that way he gets 666 million or 999 million.
A way to show he has embraced some of his Germa side, he's already using the suit. 999 million would be great because he'd be so close to breaking the billion mark but falling short and Zoro would tease him so much for it.

Jimbe will double his 438 million.
876 million, because he's a great warrior but he just now joined the crew. It would seem weird to me if he just broke the original monster trio dynamic as soon as he joined.

Not sure about Usopp, I don't recall us having the bounties of other snipers like Van Auger or Yasopp to compare.
But maybe his bounty will double? Either that or he gets a round 500 million. I like the theory that he will be the main responsible for the defeat of the Numbers, since one of the stories he told Kaya was that he defeated 10 giants and the Numbers seem to tower over most people whenever they appear. I don't think he will be fighting giants when they get to Elbaf.

All the other Strawhats will break the 100 million mark easily. Just double all their bounties.
Except for Chopper, I don't think this is where we part with the lowest bounty ever joke, I don't think we ever will. Chopper's bounty by the end of the series will be something like 1 million.
Feels like a "real" bounty would be a question for the SBS, the same way Oda revealed what Enel's bounty would be if the Marines knew/cared about him.

[Nilitch]

I think Zoro can get his +1billion bounty at the moment. EoS, I see him above 4billion, which means above Shanks and probably Mihawk.
He still has to open his second eye and he hasn't used his ashura yet.

On one hand, Shanks has "the most balanced" crew. Roger probably had the same kind of crew and so will Luffy.
I'm expecting bounties ranging from 500million to 3 billion.

On the other hand, Roger and WB's crew seemed to be even. And I can't see anyone else except Joz, Vista and Marco being around one billion belly.

Also, there is the fact that Oden gave Kaido a scar. And even though it's unclear how strong was Kaido back then, he's still the only one who could carve through him.

I don't think that 1 billion for Zoro would be too soon. As for the other bounties, they should respectively follow the lead.
I'd give Luffy 3billion, above Teach because both Bigmom and Kaido are going down imo. somehow

[Kishido]

Well Robin had a higher bounty as Sanji as well

[uniaka ikuzakas]

Over 4 billion for what? Zoro is taking on swordmen to become wss. Even If all those swordmen would be marines I would not see them give him 4 billion for that lol.

[Nilitch]

@uniaka:

Over 4 billion for what? Zoro is taking on swordmen to become wss. Even If all those swordmen would be marines I would not see them give him 4 billion for that lol.

Shanks has a 4+ billion bounty and he's just a swordsmen. Mihawk should have a bounty around 4billion too. And so will Zoro right
That's the logic

edit: all of that EoS of course, not after Wano lol

[Jabra]

@King:

Luffy had extreme difficulties against both Cracker and Katakuri. Those battles literally lasted the whole day/night, with Luffy only winning because his stamina/endurance was much higher than his enemies' (and because he could eat tons). He was definitely the underdog, at least against Katakuri.

Never mind that the likes of Jack could fight for weeks without break.

Come on Cannon, you know exactly what I mean.

There is a difference between overcoming a challenge and winning a battle that is considered impossible to win by virtually everyone. Like Luffy vs. Croc or Luffy vs. Lucci.

Katakuri and Cracker were absolutely in the same ballpark as Luffy, with Kata having a slight edge in every area. He even recognizes that they are equals at the end of their fight. I mean that was the whole point of the Dressrosa and Whole Cake fights - Luffy is now legitmately at that level. He can beat those figures without insane luck or nakama power.

The same obviously doesn't apply to Zoro, he would have extreme difficulties against a top commander. "Shit, I might actually die here…." - difficulties.

[RomanceDawn]

Sanji, Jimbei or Zoro taking on Calamities or Smoothie just seem about right since Luffy took on two of them last arc. Luffy is always a few steps ahead of his crew so I think it's very logical that they'll now have to deal with underlings that Luffy no longer has time for. We've been waiting for everyone else to get the full on pre-time skip struggle and now is the time.

I'd say Kid and Law could go after a General or Calamity but with both Big Mom and Kaido on the battle field there is no way they won't be apart of that all out brawl.

As for Mihawk's frozen bounty I can't imagine it was any higher than Weevils or something. Should it be updated now that the War Lord system is gone that might be a window into what we should expect from Zoro's final bounty. Actually strike that, Rayleigh would be a better indicator because Mihawk doesn't seem like he cares about anything. Zoro is going to help topple the world his bounty should end well above Hawk Eye.

Usopp's next bounty might have been foreshadowed already. What if Doflamingo's 5 star reward becomes a world wide reality? I wouldn't be surprised if Usopp got the 500 million along with a new epithet.

[FolhaS]

@Jabra:

Come on Cannon, you know exactly what I mean.

There is a difference between overcoming a challenge and winning a battle that is considered impossible to win by virtually everyone. Like Luffy vs. Croc or Luffy vs. Lucci.

Katakuri and Cracker were absolutely in the same ballpark as Luffy, with Kata having a slight edge in every area. He even recognizes that they are equals at the end of their fight. I mean that was the whole point of the Dressrosa and Whole Cake fights - Luffy is now legitmately at that level. He can beat those figures without insane luck or nakama power.

The same obviously doesn't apply to Zoro, he would have extreme difficulties against a top commander. "Shit, I might actually die here…." - difficulties.

But Zoro hasn't had much in full fights since the timeskip.
He hasn't face a Mr. 1 or Kaku yet. The closest was Pica but in the end Zoro overpowerd him and made him run away. It was Law who fought vergo on Punk Hazard, he wasn't present in WCI and Fishman Island was never meant to be a challenging battle.

Zoro was always shown to be in the same ballpark as Luffy, Luffy getting the edge since he's the main character.
Luffy just finished his training in haki level 2 and Zoro just finished training his haki with Enma.

Btw, Zoro's best fights are always those where he puts his life on the line.
He gets halfway cut to pieces then invents or reveals a new technique and comes out on top.
I was never Zoro fanboy but I do miss those fights.

[Kishido]

Dunno if Jinbe will fight Jack. He should be beaten by Inu and Neko

[desa]

I magine luffy getting a nice 2B to stay under blackbeard an actual yonko.

Zoro- Sanji varying from 650-970M

I'm not not sure what they do to Jimbei I could see him get an extra 200M or nothing. Is really any more dangerous than before?

The rest will top at 500M max

[RomanceDawn]

@Kishido:

Dunno if Jinbe will fight Jack. He should be beaten by Inu and Neko

What if Jimbei fights Smoothie? She goes after Jimbei since he was the failed mutineer. Her liquid absorbing abilities might be an interesting foil to some of his attacks while some of Jimbe's water manipulation could foil her when she does absorb.

Seems like if that happened he'd end up with a bounty less than anyone who ended up facing a Calamity just because of the fact that their bounties are a little higher.

I think Inu and Neko should get their revenge against Jack but I really want him out last their Sulong forms.

[Kishido]

@RomanceDawn:

What if Jimbei fights Smoothie? She goes after Jimbei since he was the failed mutineer. Her liquid absorbing abilities might be an interesting foil to some of his attacks while some of Jimbe's water manipulation could foil her when she does absorb.

Seems like if that happened he'd end up with a bounty less than anyone who ended up facing a Calamity just because of the fact that their bounties are a little higher.

I think Inu and Neko should get their revenge against Jack but I really want him out last their Sulong forms.

Yeah Smoothie would be fine. And I disagree with Jack outlasting them.

Sulong is a big ass power up… But story and characters wise the team play would be more important

[.access timeco.]

@RomanceDawn:

I think Inu and Neko should get their revenge against Jack but I really want him out last their Sulong forms.

Since Awakened Zoan seem to be able to recover from damage very fast, I can totally see InuNeko proving to be stronger than Jack and at the same time he managing to outlast the transformation and end up winning the fight.

[Morris D. Morris]

I think it depends on how this war turns out, right now it seems set on the Rocks alliance vs the Straw Hat alliance more or less, but that would mean Luffy having to beat Big Mom and Kaido two on one, which right now is something I can't see happening. To me what is more likely right now is that the Big Mom pirates turn up and start attacking both sides causing an alliance break up due to not being aware of the alliance and a bit of a three way (four if you include any marine interference) skirmish between Kaido/Mom/Luffy which would allow for slightly lower bounty boosts right now, but also for a way for Luffy to win this battle

Luffy - increased by 750m to 2.25b for winning this war
Zoro - increased by 500m to 820m for defeating a commander level opponent
Jinbei - increased by 300m to 738m for joining the Staw Hat crew and defeating a high ranking non commander
Sanji - increased by 400m to 730m for defeating members of the 'flying 6'
Ussop - increased by 300m to 500m for being perceived to defeat the numbers
Robin - increased by 300m to 430m for participating in the war, and also a re-raising of her ability to read the poneglyphs
Franky - increased by 200m to 294m for participating in the war (can see him defeating numbers but not getting credit)
Brook - increased by 200m to 283m for participating in the war
Nami - increased by 200m to 266m for participating in the war
Chopper - increased by 900 to 1000 for participating in the war (can see him defeating numbers but not getting credit)

[Gia Sado]

@Morris:

I think it depends on how this war turns out, right now it seems set on the Rocks alliance vs the Straw Hat alliance more or less, but that would mean Luffy having to beat Big Mom and Kaido two on one, which right now is something I can't see happening. To me what is more likely right now is that the Big Mom pirates turn up and start attacking both sides causing an alliance break up due to not being aware of the alliance and a bit of a three way (four if you include any marine interference) skirmish between Kaido/Mom/Luffy which would allow for slightly lower bounty boosts right now, but also for a way for Luffy to win this battle

Luffy - increased by 750m to 2.25b for winning this war
Zoro - increased by 500m to 820m for defeating a commander level opponent
Jinbei - increased by 300m to 738m for joining the Staw Hat crew and defeating a high ranking non commander
Sanji - increased by 400m to 730m for defeating members of the 'flying 6'
Ussop - increased by 300m to 500m for being perceived to defeat the numbers
Robin - increased by 300m to 430m for participating in the war, and also a re-raising of her ability to read the poneglyphs
Franky - increased by 200m to 294m for participating in the war (can see him defeating numbers but not getting credit)
Brook - increased by 200m to 283m for participating in the war
Nami - increased by 200m to 266m for participating in the war
Chopper - increased by 900 to 1000 for participating in the war (can see him defeating numbers but not getting credit)

I think people are underestimating and yet, simultaneously overestimating the feats of these characters. Really, we are at a point where Zoro, Sanji, Jinbe should be matching Yonko commanders. They need to push their limits. The Tobi Roppo should be reserved for weaker Strawhats (Franky, Brook, Robin, etc) and get them to a level that makes them worth of being under the future PK. The manga may have 10 years left, but anything under a billion for Luffy's top 3 when he's likely shooting past 2-3 billion is a little ridiculous.

At the same time, people are overestimating probably how much Luffy will grow this arc. Akainu and Blackbeard are people Luffy will have to contest with after this in the least, aside from any other possible arc villains, yet do people truly expect him to 1v1 Kaido? 1v2 Kaido/Big Mom? With the number of Supernova and high level allies this arc, it's clear that the battles against both will be more teamup oriented, with Luffy likely delivering a final blow to Kaido or having a small 1v1 by the end of the battle. This won't be without massive help. We need to stop underestimating a Yonko here, let alone 2.

[RomanceDawn]

@Kishido:

Yeah Smoothie would be fine. And I disagree with Jack outlasting them.

Sulong is a big ass power up… But story and characters wise the team play would be more important

@.access:

Since Awakened Zoan seem to be able to recover from damage very fast, I can totally see InuNeko proving to be stronger than Jack and at the same time he managing to outlast the transformation and end up winning the fight.

Right thats what I'm thinking.

Kishido I'm just thinking of it in terms of a "plan" that we are already privy to. We know it's their trump card. Are we to assume once the moonlight hits its game over for the opposing side? Seems to me Sulong is going to be everything the alliance needed until it isn't.

I can easily see Jack being defeated by Cat and Dog in their Sulong forms. I also see the battle continuing into the dawn and Awakened Zoans(potentially Jack) regenerating themselves. Seems at that point someone else would need step in and finish it off. I mean Jack already outlasted them for days on end without resting.

[Jabra]

I also innitially thought that Jack is reserved for Neko & Inu, but after the flashback I believe the scabbards deserve a piece of Orochi and his gang - and no one else. The only problem is that Orochi's side is so weak, the only combatant worth anything was Denjiro and… well!

Unless I'm severely underestimating the Oniwabanshu and those Samurai dudes. Mimuwarigumisomething.

[Kishido]

The problem I have with Jinbe suddenly being being able to beat billion players.

Jinbe is a veteran player and even after WCI haven't got a big jump. If the marines would know that he is in reality YC level fighter they would auto raise his bounty way higher or not

Just let us think that Mihawk has no bounty and suddenly loses his Shichibukai status. I doubt he would "only" 500 million

Compared to him and others Luffy and co are still wild cards and rookies for the marines

But hey bounties are a strange thing after all

[Jabra]

• Watch out, It's Jinbe of the strait, the former Warlord!

• Oh crap, we're toast! What will he do to us? Cut us down mercilessly like Hawk Eyes? Force us to kill our families like Doflamingo? Turn us into stone like the Pirate Empress? Remove our hearts and squeeze them really hard, like the surgeon of death Trafalgar Law?

• Uhm, apparently he wants to improve human-fishman relations.

• Human-fishman relations? He wants to improve them?!! HIDE YOUR KIDS HIDE YOUR WIVES!

Jinbe's bounty should have been minus 200 million.

[Monquito]

@Kishido:

The problem I have with Jinbe suddenly being being able to beat billion players.

Jinbe is a veteran player and even after WCI haven't got a big jump. If the marines would know that he is in reality YC level fighter they would auto raise his bounty way higher or not

But if you think about it, the Sun Pirates are just meh, and that's probably a big factor, if you're part of a Yonko crew and you're super threathening yourself, then you go up, see Perospero's ridiculous massive bounty, it kinda makes you doubt he would have that on his own merits.
in the other hand, if you're strong but your crew is lame, then you just get a bounty for yourself since your crew doesn't help on your notoriety, see Kidd for example as well.

Just let us think that Mihawk has no bounty and suddenly loses his Shichibukai status. I doubt he would "only" 500 million

Compared to him and others Luffy and co are still wild cards and rookies for the marines

But hey bounties are a strange thing after all

Mihawk is kind of the reason I don't want Zoro to reach the 1Billion mark, cause that'll isntantly turn him into the most infamous swordsman out there, and Mihawk better get a shit ton massive bounty or get captured to justify Zoro now being more famous than him.

[RomanceDawn]

@Jabra:

I also innitially thought that Jack is reserved for Neko & Inu, but after the flashback I believe the scabbards deserve a piece of Orochi and his gang - and no one else. The only problem is that Orochi's side is so weak, the only combatant worth anything was Denjiro and… well!

Unless I'm severely underestimating the Oniwabanshu and those Samurai dudes. Mimuwarigumisomething.

Oh yeah Orochi, I never really take him or his ninjas into account. Orochi has Kanjuro, his 7 heads and the ninjas. I don't put much faith in them but there very well could end up formidable opponents. I'd be pretty cool with that if it meant the bigger players were left for the Straw Hats.

@Jabra:

• Human-fishman relations? He wants to improve them?!! HIDE YOUR KIDS HIDE YOUR WIFES!

Jinbe's bounty should have been minus 200 million.

lol Now I got that song in my head.

[King Cannon]

@Gia:

I think people are underestimating and yet, simultaneously overestimating the feats of these characters. Really, we are at a point where Zoro, Sanji, Jinbe should be matching Yonko commanders. They need to push their limits. The Tobi Roppo should be reserved for weaker Strawhats (Franky, Brook, Robin, etc) and get them to a level that makes them worth of being under the future PK. The manga may have 10 years left, but anything under a billion for Luffy's top 3 when he's likely shooting past 2-3 billion is a little ridiculous.

The problem is that the Tobi Roppo have people around X Drake's level. And Drake is considered to be a leading name in the new era, even captaining the super secret Marine organization.

And the likes of Hawkins and Apoo are below that. Hawkins alone has the potential to give both Luffy and Zoro trouble.

Hell, Zoro struggled against 200 Million Killer not too long ago. He even fainted from a single strike.

In other words, bounty numbers are completely arbitrary and we should never take them seriously.

[.access timeco.]

@Kishido:

The problem I have with Jinbe suddenly being being able to beat billion players.

Jinbe is a veteran player and even after WCI haven't got a big jump. If the marines would know that he is in reality YC level fighter they would auto raise his bounty way higher or not

Just let us think that Mihawk has no bounty and suddenly loses his Shichibukai status. I doubt he would "only" 500 million

Compared to him and others Luffy and co are still wild cards and rookies for the marines

But hey bounties are a strange thing after all

If we are assuming the WG would acknowledge Zoro and Sanji are billion worth based on them defeating +billion bounties, why the same logic wouldn't apply for Jinbe?