All that and will still see people “blaming the left” for this.
You already have Elon Musk wondering why no one has tried assassinate Biden/Harris. Never mind a man from Utah making threats against Biden being killed by the FBI a month after the first Trump assassination attempt.
So I just found out that he did an interview with Newsweek back in 2022 about wanting unity and in 2024 in January someone wrote an article about this mess.
Shit is turning into an episode of SpongeBob Squarepants. They even have fucking aliens in this list of real major events right next to mother nature, political assassination, and WW3 as the events where the world will unite into unity and peace. It's some funny weird rabbit holes this universe is giving us. 
https://www.yahoo.com/news/rep-ocasio-cortez-says-york-210801781.html
Former cop turned mayor is corrupt who whidathunkit?
@Time-Control-Magician wasn't he also friends with P Diddy? Democrats need to gatekeep corruption from their party it's already looking bad for New York City
Nothing about that inspires confidence. Wowzers.
geez I want Ted Cruz to lose but yikes.
It's a new day and yet here I am, still needing to remind people that 'girl' and 'woman' only mean "can get pregnant" and "must be protected by me because I'm a #realman".
Not to diminish the criticism which is mostly valid, but I sure hope these people choosing to not vote which they have legitimate reasons not to.
Have a viable long term plan in accomplishing their plans in getting the U.S. to stop sending money and weapons to Israel. Because if these people think this is going to stop if Trump gets elected or the Senate flips red.
It’s not going to work like that.
@Time-Control-Magician
Firstly, I do think people that could but don't vote far far faaaar out number people voting for third parties.
Secondly, I don't think I've seen some USian that declared to vote third party that thinks GOP would do better on this particular issue. This particular issue is voting blue genocide, red genocide, or third party.
Lastly I can't exactly answer what amounts to what 1-3% of the total voter base will vote for one of the third parties supporting arms embargo, general international justice consensus or the Leahy Law (US law).
Oh I’m not concerned about these people voting third party or undecideds.
My point again was what’s the endgame here since this discourse rightfully but dubiously seems to want to hold the Democratic Party or rather a Democrat president/nominee accountable.
But seems to blatantly ignore the reality that giving aid to Israel is something both parties via the Executive & Legislative branches, have done. With Republicans comically insisting that the Democratic Party doesn’t and has never been big fans of Israel and has anti semites in its ranks.
And if this protest strategy leads to Trump getting re-elected and continuing to give the Israeli’s what they want, what’s going to happen then?
@Time-Control-Magician
I assume the people organizing the protests will keep doing it regardless of the administration. In fact, the change of adm, might lead to liberals joining the chorus.
And the Dems and the president and veep nominee running are accountable, so is every elected senator and congress person. The liquidation they all talked a Trump gov't would facilitate, it's happening NOW.
@pariston_hill said in American Politics: A Brand New Day:
And the Dems and the president and veep nominee running are accountable, so is every elected senator and congress person. The liquidation they all talked a Trump gov't would facilitate, it's happening NOW.
True but I don’t think we need to see first hand how worse this will get if we get another 4 years with Trump. Especially with the Supreme Court giving the child a loaded gun and telling him “go have fun”. In addition if he does go along with the Project 2025 bullshit far more people are going to get screwed to the wall here and parts east.
@Time-Control-Magician
The issue with all the conservative mambo jambo of project 2025, is that it only takes the Dem to find its topics given them better electability for them to embrace. See the video above of the guy running against Cancun Cruz.
The US doesn't have two opposing parties, the have two parties that agree on foreign politics, on economic basis, on pampering billionaires but they diverge on a few key issues on the ideological superstructure (by they also agree on Christendom, "Western Values", White Supremacy).
The sooner USians accept that (and there are already some at there) the sooner y'all can start organizing third parties that actually do ground work, get elected and local and states level, and starts really working to implement the wishes of the USian people.
Edit: FYI, I could give a cynic answer to "see first hand how bad Trump 2.0 could be", but I'll refrain, only recommending George Jackson's Blood in My Eye and J. Sakai's Settlers. Because the reactionary violence you guys predict is already a long time reality for those racialized USians.
@pariston_hill said in American Politics: A Brand New Day:
The sooner USians accept that (and there are already some at there) the sooner y'all can start organizing third parties that actually do ground work, get elected and local and states level,
This requires third party candidates to stay away from the shitty ideologies and policy wet dreams that make them unelectable.
@Time-Control-Magician
IF not satisfied with the ones already existing, go on organize and create a new one.
It’s not my job to do so.
@Time-Control-Magician I be surprised if there is a democrat version of Project 2025 but more liberal and less crazy. I don't know if that would work. Elections are super cooked. We all lose in the end. Voting or otherwise. 
Democrats have the problem among others of not being as unified as Republicans when it comes to their platform. For them to try such a thing.
@Time-Control-Magician
I think this is more of an anecdotal evidence than a serious observation. Dems have been firm believers in neoliberal austerity since Carter.
And while they don't have a decades old plan of turning back the 20th century as the reactionaries in the GOP, anything spawned as a decades long Dem project sounds to me like a leibnitziean optimism of either status quo preservation or very palliative changes for the better (that amount for more de jure than de facto changes).
But you let your state be infected with the diseases known as evangelism, corruption, & stupidity.
https://www.rawstory.com/missouri-ag-tells-judge-drop-in-teen-pregnancies-hurts-state-financially/
Same party that engages in voter disenfranchisement and supporting laws and policies that lead to financial losses like tax cuts for the rich.
Are suddenly worried about lack of political representation and negative financial impacts.
Remember when early on/midway through Trump’s presidency Republicans (& some deluded non Republicans) kept talking about coming together around Trump instead of “unfairly” attacking and criticizing him?
https://www.rawstory.com/donald-trump-approves-federal-aid/
Yeah I wonder the fuck why would anyone would stroke his ego.
@pariston_hill Democrats are essentially moderate conservatives at this point. How out of touch is she with the general public? I can’t believe she represents New York City. I feel sympathy for many New Yorkers who voted for her.
@Nitwit said in American Politics: A Brand New Day:
@pariston_hill Democrats are essentially moderate conservatives at this point. How out of touch is she with the general public? I can’t believe she represents New York City. I feel sympathy for many New Yorkers who voted for her.
Whoa whoa while she does have “some” flaws she’s not Krysten Synema nor every Mayor or Governor we’ve had for the last 30+ years.
Not to mention the issue here would be whoever figured “I’m going to put Arabic on these flyers that isn’t proper Arabic”.
@Time-Control-Magician said in American Politics: A Brand New Day:
Not to mention the issue here would be whoever figured “I’m going to put Arabic on these flyers that isn’t proper Arabic”.
Is fair to assume AOC's staffers are selected and vetted by her right?
Also is fair to assume that if you are putting flyers with another language in them one would hire people that know said language, right?
And after producing said flyer I think is fair to assume would go back for her approval, and since I don't think she is fluent in arab, mandarin or sanscrit
she would consult someone that is before printing it, right?
If anything the succession of blunders that I described above, may start with whomever made the flyer but end with her. Just looking at her twitter I don't see no owning to the mistake or apologizing for it which leads me to think that the flyers on the above image were merely another performative act by her and not a real way to connect to voters.
@pariston_hill said in American Politics: A Brand New Day:
Is fair to assume AOC's staffers are selected and vetted by her right?
Also is fair to assume that if you are putting flyers with another language in them one would hire people that know said language, right?
Possibly and yes it’s also fair to assume people can be hired under the pretense they’re skilled at something while objectively not being skilled at said something which may not be realized until a screwup like this which in such case they should be fired.
she would consult someone that is before printing it, right?
That depends on if that’s her job exactly or the job of one of her many staffers.
If anything the succession of blunders that I described above, may start with whomever made the flyer but end with her. Just looking at her twitter I don't see no owning to the mistake or apologizing for it which leads me to think that the flyers on the above image were merely another performative act by her and not a real way to connect to voters.
Also possible. But again in light all the stuff I’ve seen in New York Politics and the bullshit last week not the most profound fuckup.
Well, it's election night and we're all exhausted. Don't know how I'm going to handle but being on the west coast for this one, there's no way I'm getting to sleep before 3 am.
Too late that 178 is annoying the hell out of me.
Oh shit, I’m getting real nervous
maybe i should just go to bed, refreshing the numbers every 10 minutes is not good for my health....
And of course Ted Cruz had to win re election god forbid he loses his ass.
Well right now it's too fucking close to call in the swing states, and the map is basically identically to 2020 though Georgia has gone to Trump, and it's looking like Pennsylvania is going to as well. (If it doesn't that will be entirely because of Philly, but I don't think the math is there anymore, if it is it's going to be razor thin by like 2 votes)
The red mirage is fading, it's not as overwhelming a lead... but it's still a lead. Harris can still edge it out in those states if she gets a little more than 60% of the remaining vote, and statistically that should still be possible given the nature of the remaining spots? But it'll be close in every remaining state and there will probably need to be recounts and we won't have results tonight.
I don't understand this country. How is it this close? How is it possible that he might be winning again?
I think I'm going to be sick.
Republicans having the Senate majority if that sticks will hurt regardless of whether Kamala wins or not, but a Republican majority House, Senate, and Presidency will lead to an interesting following 4 years for sure…
@Robby said in American Politics: A Brand New Day:
I don't understand this country. How is it this close? How is it possible that he might be winning again?
Well let’s see as much as people hate to say this out of fear of hurting feelings much of the Republican base is pretty damn dumb & nihilistic.
The other problem is the non republicans are either apathetic or simply ignorant.
Then of course you have the media who can’t help but blur the lines about which of the two parties is shit or just goes full hog and pretends Republicans have our best interests at heart. All the while they roll back rights, want to keep ordinary people in debt while they insure rich people have more money to throw their way and aid and abet groups and individuals who’re not good people.
I think I'm going to be sick.
Hey at least the results won’t be drawn out. But yeah these next 4-6 years are going to be shit (again). Hopefully come the next few election cycles this fucking country grows a fucking brain and a pair of fucking eyes to reconcile what a legitimately unqualified and undeserving candidate looks like . Granted we’ll still be screwed for generations even if that happens.
And hopefully the ultimate payoff in all this
IS GETTING RID OF THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE
Three supreme court justices are going to retire in the next year and the court is going to be locked 6-3 for decades.
Sotomayor should have retired when she had the chance.
And it's done. Final results might make some states too close to call and require recounts, but with Philladelphia and Georgia gone it no longer even matters what happens in Wisconsin, Michigan, Arizona, and Nevada.
When Alaska calls that's going to be 270 for Trump.
It's going to be decades before another woman is allowed to run.
A bunch of my stocks jumped today, so yeah, rich get richer I guess. As a So-Cal native that makes fairly good money and whose current company would likely benefit from a Republican led nation, hoping to ride the financial wave at least…kinda get the best of both worlds with republicans in power for a bit personally while still being in a primary blue state/area. Shame for the country as a whole though.
It's hard what to feel right now. I was someone that was legit panicking a nfter Biden's bad debate, we got Harris and that period of them just calling Repubs "weird" and things seemed a bit on a brighter side, like ok, maybe we can do this....
...but all of the polls leading up to tonight just felt shockingly too close, people were STILL supporting him that much after 8+ years of this? It felt like enough people were getting sick of him, Harris picking up endorsements left and right.....but no. I didn't even want to get hopeful but damn it, I was. And it makes it hurt all the more.
Trump winning + Senate majority? + 6-3 SC. This was the chance to MAYBE start unfucking the country but to have to wait ANOTHER four years to (read: attempt to) do this is....apocalyptic. And I live in a pretty blue state, and I'm STILL terrified.
America is screwed.
