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    Chapter 1,015: Chains

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    • Kdom
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      Zoro xon't stay sleeping until the end of the arc. People have not read enough shonen if they believe so

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        @Blissed:

        I mean it's not like Hiyori did anything special, can't see her doing more than Chopper and/or Marco, that's for sure

        she brought them back from the brink of death and now they are running around.

        Also, why would zoro be the only one to have suffered broken bones from Kaidou's attacks?

        HOW COME LUFFY NEVER KILLS AN ENEMY?

        ODA:ITS BECAUSE IN THAT ERA EVERYONE USES THEIR LIVES TO FIGHT FOR THEIR DREAMS. FOR AN ENEMY WHEN THEIR DREAM HAS BEEN SHATTERED,IT IS AS PAINFUL AS DEATH,I BELIEVE FOR A PIRATE NOT TO KILL AN ENEMY , IT'S GIVING THEM A SECOND CHANCE TO FIGHT FOR THEIR DREAMS.

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          @kevo_koma:

          Also, why would zoro be the only one to have suffered broken bones from Kaidou's attacks?

          Because he blocked that one big duo attack BM and Kaidou did.

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            So the Polar Tang came to Luffy's rescue. Everyone last week had me questioning myself, suggesting everything except for a sub rescue, but no, the answer really was that simple.

            There's a lot of speculation about just how Luffy's communicating using the voice of all things and who's able to hear it, but I'm reading it differently than most, it would seem. The way I interpreted it is that Luffy is communicating to Momo only, and Momo is using the Mary frog to broadcast Luffy's words to all of Onigashima, and that's what the Heart Pirates in the sub were hearing, most likely by way of snail communication with one of the small handful of their crewmates currently on the island, or perhaps they have some other way of listening in. I certainly don't think that anyone other than Momo is hearing Luffy's words directly. It's probably the easiest explanation, but that's what I'm putting my money on; I really don't think it's anything more complicated than that.

            The only thing I'm unsure of is just how conscious Luffy is at this point. He looks completely knocked out, but maybe he has just enough sense of awareness to communicate with Momo via the voice of all things, as that's all he can do at this point.

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              @wolfwood:

              Even in a full body cast the Z man should be able to make Oro-dude piss himself

              Btw, we have yet to see the hybrid zoan mode of orochi, as in strongest form. I wonder If he will look Like Medusa with human body and 8 Snake heads as hair.

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                I’m hoping Kaido can show off and flex some more after Yamato

                I’m hoping that if there is a reset then the Gifters will be what gives our heroes a chance to get away.

                • like maybe “when” Tama makes the war cry and mind bends her some Gifters. Kaido (and his top crew members) plow through his animal kingdom. In this scenario the Pleasures that switched sides would sacrifice themselves to in defiance of Kaido and the beast pirates.

                beware

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                  @wolfwood:

                  Even in a full body cast the Z man should be able to make Oro-dude piss himself

                  Isn't it disappointing

                  How much of a weakling Orochi is

                  Shame on Oda for insulting the mythical type, it's supposed to be the fucking rarest.

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                    I'm still wondering if Kaido's zoan has an awakened form or something. Oda hasn't really covered that since Impel Down with those prison guards…

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                      @kevo_koma:

                      she brought them back from the brink of death and now they are running around.

                      Also, why would zoro be the only one to have suffered broken bones from Kaidou's attacks?

                      So ostensibly it's the blocking that Robby already mentioned and the fact that right afterward he used his most powerful technique. I'm rereading 1010 and it's weird what happens afterward. Kaido's about to attack Zoro and Law is telling Zoro to get out of the way. Then in one Thunder Bagua he seems to manage to his Zoro and Law. Is this how everyone else read this scene?

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                        @Zik:

                        Yes. I dunno really. I'm open for Oda to surprise me. I'd say Luffy is in there, probably Momo, most likely Yamato.

                        I don't think it was the 9 scabbards at all. Especially since they got their asses beat again. Kaido is now killing them. Hard to even call them 9 red scabbards when Kanjuro was a spy all along.

                        No I don't think they're the "9 supernovas" cuz first of all there are 11 supernovas. Plus Bonney, Bege, and Urouge aren't there and most likely will not show up.

                        The 9 shadows Toki mentioned I just naturally assumed would be 9 characters who would stand up against Kaido. Could be any mix of 9 characters currently involved. Could just be 9 strawhat pirates. Could be a couple samurai, a few supernova, and Tama. It's still wait and see as of now.

                        Ok I kind of agree that there might be some symbolism at some point, probably as the dawn grows closer and Kaido is taken down. The battle will end just before the dawn and it could be that 9 characters are standing on top of the skull island as the rays of the sun cast a shadow over Wano of these 9 characters. I don’t know, maybe we’re looking too much into this.
                        I remember that Rayleigh’s woman made a prediction about the supernovas. I would not completely discount them as the 9 shadows. And if another supernova is gonna show up to bump the count to 9, I think that would be Bege Capone. He strikes me as somebody who would like to be part of this and not miss it for anything in the world, besides he already got a feud with big mom.

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                        • hideoushorrendous
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                          @LightningAce:

                          I'm still wondering if Kaido's zoan has an awakened form or something. Oda hasn't really covered that since Impel Down with those prison guards…

                          Didn't he unleashed a natural disaster ? (vicious storms calamity) I think that would fit as his awakening.

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                            @Alfiere:

                            It's even more confusing of you consider that, while luffy already had a 100 million bounty BEFORE even committing his first crime, Blackbeard, who was a long-time member of the most powerful crew in the world, scarred an emperor, killed a commander, and ravaged world government kingdoms… Was still at 0. Bounties are quite random like that

                            Well Luffy did also mess with that marine that was covering for Arlong. There was some crime in there somewhere (keeping in mind raising a jolly Roger alone is a criminal act).

                            Whereas BB kinda just was lucky to sack the right kingdom. That's probably the only real confusing part. The WG must've not cared for Wapol at all when BB sent him running. He apparently did nothing worthy of note as a WB pirate, that battle with Shanks must've happened suddenly and on some uninhabited island where no other pirates or WG agents or marines were around to observe (or there were simply no survivors). Killing Thatch was probably seen as a good thing and again not worth seeing BB as a threat (maybe this happens a lot in other pirate crews like the Beast Pirates enough that it isn't bounty worthy).

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                            @Jabra:

                            That's true, but the point is that he's making extremely generous use of the fact that he has a license to kill.

                            Like no one forced Mihawk to slaughter 5000 people, while making sure that no one survives (even going the extra mile by following them into the weakest sea to finish off the handful escapees).

                            He just likes to kill. Or "squash insects", in his own words.

                            So the Psycho-Warlord ranking is something like this:

                            1. Doflamingo
                            2. Mihawk

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                            3. Crocodile

                            large gap

                            4. Hancock / Jinbe during his hooligan days
                            5. Weevil
                            6. Blackbeard

                            large gap

                            7. Moriah
                            8. Law

                            (curiously what Moriah did was really tame in comparison, a super effective Warlord without actually killing anyone)

                            gap

                            9. Buggy

                            I dunno, kinda hard to fully judge Weevil especially below Jimbe and Hancock if this is the psycho-warlord list.

                            While Moria was effective, his methods were and are just as torturous and wicked. He basically put hundreds of lives at risk since all these ppl without shadows were forced to stay in the darkness. Similar to Law given he cut out hearts of pirates and given his ability they probably were still alive (at least until he handed the hearts over to the Marines/world gov.)

                            So I think the cruelty in those actions at least put them above Hancock and Jimbe.

                            I am too interested in Mihawk's story. On one hand, he comes off honorable amd upstanding respectable dude. On the other hand, he does seem like the type to put on airs, look down on those weaker than him in disgust and kill them, and if he gets any pleasure out of that it seems to not be the laugh and enjoy it kind (like Doflamingo) but the sadistic pleasure kind.

                            It'll be really interesting to see if he was a part of a crew or was the captain of his own and why he became a pirate.

                            I could also see Mihawk as the type not specifically intending to be a criminal but got caught up in a sequence of violent events where he just never cleared the air or corrected anyone so boom he's a pirate and when Marines started chasing him he just saw it as practice.

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                              @andre:

                              So ostensibly it's the blocking that Robby already mentioned and the fact that right afterward he used his most powerful technique. I'm rereading 1010 and it's weird what happens afterward. Kaido's about to attack Zoro and Law is telling Zoro to get out of the way. Then in one Thunder Bagua he seems to manage to hit both Zoro and Law. Is this how everyone else read this scene?

                              I’m sure that’s exactly how the scene plays out and that’s how everyone reads/interprets the scene.

                              beware

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                                Nah. Luffy's awakening will be simple yet very effective; he will become a sort of rubber logia kinda like Katakuri was a mochi logia. The focus on the future in their "fight" in the mirror world was foreshadowing of this. :ninja:

                                This has been my dream ever since the Katakuri fight! I always figured it's why Oda spent SO much panel space having characters in the story compare Luffy and Kara's fruits, and constantly pointing out how inferior Luffy's was because he could not generate additional substance. It's literally the ONLY way to make awakening useful for Luffy, as everyone's cousin's cat in the New World has Haki that easily and constantly bypasses what used to be Luffy's rubber defense (and would probably do the same for anything or anyone he made rubbery with that flavor of awakening).

                                But 6 arms all punching at jet gatling or gasp Snakeman speed?! Yes, please!

                                Oh, and a quality if predictable chapter. Gotta love Oda's consistency. Man, Oda's REALLY emphasizing that the 9 scabbards are done! I mean, these are arc-ending injuries if you're not the MC. They really are not gonna be the stars of their own prophecy, the poor bastards.

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                                  @Sirxxx:

                                  This has been my dream ever since the Katakuri fight! I always figured it's why Oda spent SO much panel space having characters in the story compare Luffy and Kara's fruits, and constantly pointing out how inferior Luffy's was because he could not generate additional substance. It's literally the ONLY way to make awakening useful for Luffy, as everyone's cousin's cat in the New World has Haki that easily and constantly bypasses what used to be Luffy's rubber defense (and would probably do the same for anything or anyone he made rubbery with that flavor of awakening).

                                  But 6 arms all punching at jet gatling or gasp Snakeman speed?! Yes, please!

                                  Luffy being a full fledged rubber logia would be cool but I don't see that happening more so than him being a "sort of" rubber logia. That means he wont be generating rubber; he will just become a full fledged rubber-man. Imagine him being in a sort of liquid state(stretching, twisting, inflating etc.) and then solidifying and being super tough. 🆒

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                                  Didn't he unleashed a natural disaster ? (vicious storms calamity) I think that would fit as his awakening.

                                  How would that fit his awakening? "Awakening" started with the Zoans in Impel down. I imagine Kaido's awakening will just be an upgraded version of his hybrid form. 🆒

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                                    I'm pretty sure if/when Oda goes the awakened paramedic mode for Luffy his body is basically gonna become silicone/nitrite/EPDM rubber to where his body is incredibly tough.

                                    Plus since it has an incredibly high resistant to heat, he'll just start from there and make him capable of taking on Sakazuki's magma punches.

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                                      It can't just be Luffy being super tough; he still has to stretch, inflate, etc. He would do that best if his base form was a sort of liquid state. 🆒

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                                        If Luffy's awakening grants him the ability to become liquid rubber, what's stopping Kuzan and Monet from awakening their fruits to also manipulate water, Sakazuki from manipulating rocks and Jozu and Pica from also using magma?

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