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Zunisha
I wish we knew its whole story.
I bet it's backstory (if it gets one) is gonna be based on 'Horton Hears a Who'; like it learns to value the lives of the tiny beings around it or something. It seems like something Oda would do.
This was a great chapter; little dissapointed we're not getting to see Jack fight…...........but it seems the Mink are going to collect him from the water; so we know he is far from done yet.
Jack is such a stupid character that from now on I'm rooting against him being taken out by Zoro. Zoro deserves better. Just let him be obliterated by Cat and Dog.
I dont know if someone mentioned this, but do you think that Appoo was working under kaido already when he went to see Kid for the meeting just to capture him?
kaido seemed to have no idea where he was when he landed..and it was actually attempting suicide,so no,apoo was not an inside man..but i think he is the kind of guy who would have no problem bowing to kaido to save his life
kid on the other hand i think it just has too much pride for that.
And by literal seal I do not mean seals as in. Yknow. Water's dogs.
Those would be littoral Seals. 
Glad to see this mini-arc wrapped up.
….aaaand Jack went out by getting owned like a bitch! XD
Anyway, it seems that Momo is special in more ways than one with his ability to communicate with Zunisha. Very intriguing I must say.
Also, I feel pretty bad for Zun. The poor old elephant can't even defend himself without being told to do so, which must really suck for him. 
lol at jack
everyone were worried about how he will be defeated
Zunisha
I wish we knew its whole story.
We will Oda didn't just drop this info now, not to expand it later.
Pokemon X/Y ingame name: Pedro
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Zunisha might actually be one of the Ancient weapons. The great sin, was her using her enormous powers by her own will. Someone wanted to keep her around, but sentenced her for an eternal walk.
The key is momonosuke, just as our mermaid princess is the key to another Ancient weapon, the seakings…
Also gives insight to the info of there being 3 Trump cards, Momonosuke, our gas friend and forgot what the third was.
So Pedro mirrors Sanji quite a bit on that cover spread and also was saying he's a good guy without much interaction. Visually he has been given too much attention, I think Carrot is also somehow related since they all have blonde hair. I also think the full moon makes people who stay on Zou long enough become "Were-men" whereas people born on the island are "Mink-men" also a nice origin spot for Zoan devil fruits to be reverse engineered. Whatever just throwing out ideas, don't attack me…
Are you really arguing why Jack couldn't block the trunk? Because of too less space? Nope, Sir!
Jack was caught so offguard, that it is!
He was making fun of Zou moments before "An old relic" and all.
He would have never guessed that Zounisha would actually defend her/himself.
Yes but can he really attack outside of self-defense ? While nobody forgive him for his sin, I don't think it is possible to use him as a weapon.
well,as things stay how have been described in this chapter,nothing stops the minks from weaponizing zunisha..he didn't put any limits to what he can do,only said that by himself he can only walk around,and everything else must be under direct order
of course it only needs another explanation like the one you said to close all those possibilities..but as things stay now,the minks already have the win card in their hands…
zou is third ancient weapon
He could have an alliance with Kaidou without Kidd knowing, or he can be working with him now, I can totally see Apoo being smart and ask to work for Kaidou, but Kidd wouldn't dot that so he probably attacked him and got his ass kicked(if it is him in the prison).
I also think that Apoo joined him during past 10 days. But someone wrote that Apoo could be working for Kaidou since the begining. And if it is true then I can't understand why Kaidou decided to spy on Kidd and capture him ?…
Loved the chapter. Jack once again got rekt by something he should not go against.
I loved this chapter mainly because of what I have been saying all this time. It's to early to permanently get rid of Jack. He'll be back in Wano and hopefully fight Neko and Inu.
Highly doubt Apoo was recruited on the spot. Especially since until now it seemed like a major coincidence that Kaidou landed on the Island of the Kidd's alliance secret meeting.
Now we know. That was no coincidence. Furthermore, the fact that he already seemingly has an important role in Kaidou's crew and knows who Jack is.
Yea, no coincidence here. Apoo has been a double agent all along.
Are you really arguing why Jack couldn't block the trunk? Because of too less space? Nope, Sir!
Jack was caught so offguard, that it is!
He was making fun of Zou moments before "An old relic" and all.
He would have never guessed that Zounisha would actually defend her/himself.
even in full battle mode he couldn't have done anything
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Highly doubt Apoo was recruited on the spot. Especially since until now it seemed like a major coincidence that Kaidou landed on the Island the Kidd's alliance secret meeting.
No we know. That was no coincidence. Furthermore, the fact that he already seemingly has an important role in Kaidou's crew and knows who Jack is.
Yea, no coincidence here. Apoo has been a double agent all along.
except he was recruited on the spot
kaidou was attempting suicide,he was not attacking the alliance
he just wiped the floor with them and while kid refused to bow and got imprisoned,apoo had no problems serving under kaidou just like capone did with big mom
Anti-Climactic? It can't be that when there was little to no build-up. Jack suddenly appeared two chapters ago. I, for one, welcome this twist. Hope the anime does this chapter justice.
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In the next AP-char-tournament, I want These "chars" to Show up:
-Franky's hair-whale
-Gambia's granny
Wanted to save this for dumb predictions but lets go :ninja:
Maybe Kaido just wanted a musician in his crew all along just like Luffy
even in full battle mode he couldn't have done anything
(…)
I guess so too. It wasn't only the trunk, but the huge wave that it made. No DF user could have done anything.
I think I'm blind because I can't see Kid in that rubble behind bars.
Same here. I have been looking at it for few mins now, still no sign of him.
It's not that, I've been here for years, I always liked your posts(not saying I don't now), but post time skip(and a few other old posters) it's like you don't like anything, just comes off as Time skip syndrome.
Even when chapters are awesome(and I'm not saying this one was or not) and almost everyone is happy about them, you find out a way to nit pick/complain, you are entitled to that and as I said you respect your opinions, it's just comes off that you are trying really hard to find something that annoys you every week.
Again not trying to offend you, but it's just the vibe I get from you since the time skip, I've just been wanting to ask this for a while and I guess this week I did it.
+1.
It's okay to have negative opinions and there are a lot of OP moments that require it. However, I honestly don't see anything about Zou or this chapter that makes it inferior to pre-timeskip arcs. It wasn't perfect either back then, you know.
Heck, I could find so many things to complain about even from my most favourite arcs.
And general pace and enjoyment of something comes from your own attitude mainly, Daz. If you can't let the thought that it can actually be good inside your mind.. not even good arcs or chapters will be good for you, it takes your own enjoyment away mainly.
Sorry if I am making too much assumptions.
We will Oda didn't just drop this info now, not to expand it later.
Oh I know, just expressing how much I want to know about it now~
Are you really arguing why Jack couldn't block the trunk? Because of too less space? Nope, Sir!
Jack was caught so offguard, that it is!
He was making fun of Zou moments before "An old relic" and all.
He would have never guessed that Zounisha would actually defend her/himself.
Regardless of that I doubt anyone can block that hit.
I also think that Apoo joined him during past 10 days. But someone wrote that Apoo could be working for Kaidou since the begining. And if it is true then I can't understand why Kaidou decided to spy on Kidd and capture him ?…
Probably didn't care, he wasn't a threat or offered him anything.
Maybe Kaido just wanted a musician in his crew all along just like Luffy
Brook vs Apoo at Wano. Get hyped.
Wanted to save this for dumb predictions but lets go :ninja:
That theory's been around for a while… but without the sharp 90 degree turn by that elephant :ninja:
except he was recruited on the spot
kaidou was attempting suicide,he was not attacking the alliance
he just wiped the floor with them and while kid refused to bow and got imprisoned,apoo had no problems serving under kaidou just like capone did with big mom
Stating pure speculation as fact.
After this chapter theres no way anyone could think Kaidou Landing on that specific island among all the places in the NW was a coincidence. And then shortly after Apoo is already wilfully ingrained into his crew doing his bidding?
Yea I dont think so.
Apoo has been a double agent all along.
Jack is reminding me of Smoker in PH lmao
Stating pure speculation as fact.
After this chapter theres no way anyone could think Kaidou Landing on that specific island among all the places in the NW was a coincidence. And then shortly after Apoo is already wilfully ingrained into his crew doing his bidding?
Yea I dont think so.
Apoo has been a double agent all along.
no speculation..the fact that he was attempting suicide was stated by the omniscent narrator,in those rectangular shaped boxes,no two way around that,no need for interpretation,stated as fact by the author himself
I don't think Apoo was a double agent, I see it more of him being smart and joining forces with him instead of getting completely obliterated. Kidd doing the complete opposite. No clue where Hawkins would fall into all this.
if i'm not mistaken the confrontation happened weeks ago, nothing strange in Apoo being in contact with Jack at this time, him being a new powerful member of the crew and all, there's also no reason for Kaidou himself to go out hunting a bunch of "nobodies" who weren't even after his head.
Wanted to save this for dumb predictions but lets go :ninja:
wow, but how he crossed the red line ?
Git Rekt Jack!
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no speculation..the fact that he was attempting suicide was stated by the omniscent narrator,in those rectangular shaped boxes,no two way around that,no need for interpretation,stated as fact by the author himself
yea but that doesn't mean the place he was attempting it was random.And from what the narration stated, he knew that fall definitely wasn't going to kill him.
Sure he was "trying" to commit suicide but this is too much of a coincidence.
r.i.p. Jack. Was he the strongest man in Kaido's crew? Anyway doesn't make defeating him that much more feasible.
Awesome chapter
So Carrot being on the color spread means she's gonna be an important character? And there's a Leopard Swordsman too.
Kaido's crew is really starting to represent doflamingos now
yea but that doesn't mean the place he was attempting it was random.And from what the narration stated, he knew that fall definitely wasn't going to kill him.
Sure he was "trying" to commit suicide but this is too much of a coincidence.
when he landed it said something alike "so this doesn't work either"
so while it's a hobby for him,he wasn't sure he was going to survive,so it would be really strange for him to make that part of a plan of attack
also,the alliance was gonna attack shanks,not kaiodu,so he had no reason to go and attack them
as for it being a coincidence,well,it is,just like many other things in this manga (or in either other story),but we still have to go by what the story says,and kaido seemed to have no motivation to attack and no interest in the three captains when he landed
also,knowing apoo,it's not that strange of an idea that he would decide to serve instead of getting beaten up..the prideful one of the group was kidd,that if we have to take on account that boot,it has now been taken prisoner.
Awesome chapter
So Carrot being on the color spread means she's gonna be an important character? And there's a Leopard Swordsman too.
I recall vaguely how carrot was interested in going with luffy to crash the tea party.
Sheepshead taken out by Mouton Shot
Jack taken out by Zunisha
Kaido taken out by____________
Nice end to Jack here, was never convinced he was coming to Zou to fight the SHs. Oda won't put a man in bandages against Luffy. It doesn't prove any point. Jack will be back in Wano though, rightfully defeated by Dog & Cat.
when he landed it said something alike "so this doesn't work either"
so while it's a hobby for him,he wasn't sure he was going to survive,so it would be really strange for him to make that part of a plan of attack
also,the alliance was gonna attack shanks,not kaiodu,so he had no reason to go and attack themas for it being a coincidence,well,it is,just like many other things in this manga (or in either other story),but we still have to go by what the story says,and kaido seemed to have no motivation to attack and no interest in the three captains when he landed
also,knowing apoo,it's not that strange of an idea that he would decide to serve instead of getting beaten up..the prideful one of the group was kidd,that if we have to take on account that boot,it has now been taken prisoner.
Okay I think you took the whole "suicide" aspect of Kaidou's personality too literal. Sounds like the dude like trying to kill himself in ways that obviously wont work because of whatever weird ability he has. And that being said, he obviously has a devilfruit ability. If he was serious about killing himself he would've jumped in the ocean.
So CoO is supposed to work like telepathy, not only can Momo and Luffy hear Zunisha's voice like I expected, but Momo is able to see through Zunisha's eyes what is happening. But I'm not sure if this proves that Momo can access memories, and to me CoO is more useful for non humans, in the end Momo screamed out loud and didn't use CoO to issue his command.
Bwahaha guess that no one will be fighting Jack, he does look done there with his mask thingy getting broken. I doubt they'll recover from it, with all the ships in his fleet getting sunk. Go Zunisha! Poor thing I really feel sorry for him, he was punished and had to walk for 1000 years. My guess is that he was exiled from his herd that we might have seen in Thriller bark.
So Apoo is working for Kaido now? That has to be his den den mushi.Guess we know how things ended,the Kidd alliance got curbstomped, and they had no other choice but to submit to Kaido. So much for them joining the SH alliance. Good because I was never really fond of that theory.
My question now is Who is Momonosuke? Zou said "if that is indeed you". What does that mean?
Okay I think you took the whole "suicide" aspect of Kaidou's personality too literal. Sounds like the dude like trying to kill himself in ways that obviously wont work because of whatever weird ability he has. And that being said, he obviously has a devilfruit ability. If he was serious about killing himself he would've jumped in the ocean.
now you are the one stating speculations as fact
anyway,think what you want at this point,in the end it doesn't even matter that much if apoo was already a kaidou's man or it's a new thing
@Daz:
So after a villain finally appears in the arc, he gets anticlimatically defeated in an instant. And having ignored the potential for fun an adventure in an unique setting in favor of extensive exposition and setup, we're ready to leave.
Business as usual in Toriko.
Wait what
This was far better set up, foreshadowed and has big implications for the story. It has a feeling of karmic balance . It also raises a lot of questions. Who is the elephant, who ordered him to walk to the ends of time, what is this mysterious ability to hear voices certain people have. The shit in Toriko is Shima just being bored and wanting to move on to something else. This had a purpose. Besides Jack will obviously be back. And this doesn't hurt his threat level in the slightest because he got taken out by something that would take anyone out. Plus, this wasn't just some incoherent action, it was a nice, simple moment perfectly depcited to give the moment a lot of impact. The elephant swiped and wiped out a fleet. And again, that karmic justice is so satisfying.
My question now is Who is Momonosuke? Zou said "if that is indeed you". What does that mean?
Oden's son. Inu(I think) just confirmed that Oden and Roger could hear its voice. Or maybe he comes from a long line of people who could command Zunisha, and might even be considered his "master". Or the one who issued the sentence.
Another question cleared up in the chapter, the Minks have ships. :happy:
@TLC:
This was far better setup, foreshadowed and has big implications for the story. It has a feeling of karmic balance . It also raises a lot of questions. Who is the elephant, who ordered him to walk to the ends of time, what is this mysterious ability to hear voices certain people have. The shit in Toriko is Shima just being bored and wanting to move on to something else. This had a purpose. Besides Jack will obviously be back. And this doesn't hurt his threat level in the slightest because he got taken out by something that would take anyone out.
not sure about that…the bite shattering seemed like a clear sign of total defeat..also it's a devil fruit user in the middle of the ocean
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Another question cleared up in the chapter, the Minks have ships. :happy:
yeah,but where? ò_ò
