Pokemon Ultra S&M - Let's Minecraft Pikachu and Eevee Quest

Fuschiawarrior

Well the anime is definitely way better than Kanto old stuff, but its not great ,nor will it ever be. No there is no explanation, Greninja is "special", and the strong bond he has with Ash made it happen, Alain(the guy with the Charizard X), noticed it was emitting energy like a mega evo, or something similar, but that is it, that is why I called it Bullshit forme, no explanation, " we don't want to give the kid a mega, so we will give him something like a mega that we made up".

Thank you. I've heard before that the anime improved for XY series and I was mildly interested, but then the finale happened and the interest vanished.

Shift

Ash-Greninja is totally optional, so I for one am not gonna get bothered by it.
@Wagomu:

I figure Eevee will use that stone to go Glaceon, which previously required him to be evolved in a specific location. Then in a parallel, Lefeon can use the leaf stone.

I'm a little surprised that Espeon and Umbereon don't use the sun and moon stones, respectively, yet, so maybe they won't do anything that smart.

I don't think Glaceon will be able to use the Ice Stone on the virtue that Leafeon will definitely not be retconned into evolving with the Leaf Stone. Same reason why Espeon didn't get the Sun Stone, because Eevee couldn't use the Moon Stone in R/B and these evo pairs are resigned to evolving in kinda similar ways, even if they are convoluted.

Wagomu

@Shift:

Ash-Greninja is totally optional, so I for one am not gonna get bothered by it.
I don't think Glaceon will be able to use the Ice Stone on the virtue that Leafeon will definitely not be retconned into evolving with the Leaf Stone. Same reason why Espeon didn't get the Sun Stone, because Eevee couldn't use the Moon Stone in R/B and these evo pairs are resigned to evolving in kinda similar ways, even if they are convoluted.

I didn't even really notice that they ported the locational evolution gimmick in each gen. That's pretty dumb, I think. The one bit of faith I have, though, is that they were brought in same gen, so they were probably being kept intentionally symmetrical in evolution styles. Since there never was an ice stone, making Lefeon evolve without it would break up the symmetry. Besides, I'm not really sure who else would use the ice stone, so retconning that seems like a good chance to showcase its worth.

Ruin

@Wagomu:

Besides, I'm not really sure who else would use the ice stone, so retconning that seems like a good chance to showcase its worth.

Alolan Vulpix?

I'm also in the "retcon Leafeon and Glaceon's dumb evolution method" boat, btw. Fuck that noise. they could have just introduced an ice stone in Gen 4 like the other handful of stones they introduced.

Wagomu

Alolan Vulpix was the premise of the conversation, so that was implied, haha.

I just don't understand how they justified carving out locations across three whole gens specifically to evolve Eevee into a specific one.

Ruin

Ice Stone might evolve a new ice type too, like that snowman we're all waiting for

Wagomu

I've got snow problem with that.

Noqanky

@Nekketsu:

Now the chinese leaks are pretty much official (minus that art that wasn't included in the batch), why don't we take a good look once more?

And the second part.

Your posts keep mentioning the art leaks like they haven't gotten solid evidence behind them. I take it you're not a fan of them?

Shift

@Wagomu:

Alolan Vulpix was the premise of the conversation, so that was implied, haha.

I just don't understand how they justified carving out locations across three whole gens specifically to evolve Eevee into a specific one.

They also need a magnetic spot for Nosepass and Magneton to evolve, that's just their lot in life. They could certainly make items for all of them, like the trading item they made for Feebas when contests and the Beauty stat disappeared, but that seems to be a major last resort.

Fuschiawarrior

Still better than Fire Red and Leaf Green where you couldn't evolve to Espeon or Umbreon because the game didn't have a internal clock.

Nekketsu

@Noqanky:

Your posts keep mentioning the art leaks like they haven't gotten solid evidence behind them. I take it you're not a fan of them?

On the contrary. I find Rowlet and Popplio's presumed final evolutions to be outstanding, while Litten's not to my liking because of the art style, but I'm sure in-game is going to grow on me. But you see, I'm still going to take these with a grain of salt because the chinese leaker didn't include them in the batch. But most likely they are going to be the real deal. The only it can happen is that GF tweaked the designs a bit.

Ruin

There's also still the distinct possibility of version forms, like Lycanroc, as well

Nekketsu

@Ruin:

There's also still the distinct possibility of version forms, like Lycanroc, as well

Well, they did say the starters and Rockruff shared something in common.

.access timeco.

@Nekketsu:

Now the chinese leaks are pretty much official (minus that art that wasn't included in the batch), why don't we take a good look once more?

And the second part.

Those are actually a bunch of different leaks bundled together.

The chinese leak was actually pretty short, it only said this (quoting from Bulbagarden forums, including the comments):

There will be no gyms.

Alola region has no leagues. Your main objective is to build a league. After you finish building a league, the Elite 4 will appear.

The E4 are originally replaced by island leaders. (= Kahuna’s)

Starter's final forms with be an archer, a wrestler and a siren. Siren is Water/Fairy.

Collect logo diamonds like Mega stones, but a bit different.

Logo diamonds cause Pokemon to transform shape, like Ash-Greninja. (= false)

There will be new dolphin, rugby monkey (=Passimian), snowman, sea cucumber (=Pyukumuku), mushroom (=Morelull)

Rockruff evolves into a werewolf. (Doesn't mention Rockruff has two forms, but one of them does look like a werewolf).

Mashadow is a mythical Pokémon who has a very unique typing.

There is a fire + poison Pokémon. (= Salandit)

There are many unmarked locations on the map, which form districts; these contain very strong Pokémon, known as overlords. (= Totem Pokémon).

You can ride almost any Pokémon.

GetsugaZoro

Yeah tha tis the leak, some fake leakers used the chinese leak to add new stuff, and validate theirs.

KageKageKing

RoboBlue

For anyone thinking of buying a new 3ds to play Sun and Moon, there's a price drop coming. Everything else in this leak came true (Pokemon Rainbow = Sun and Moon, Caviar F = Rumble World physical release, Torte City = Kirby Robobot, Cadillac = Style Savvy, and N-Stars = Mario Party Star Rush).

The Laughing Man

Get it. (Leaks)

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Wagomu

I hope that's fake. Capturing ultra beasts is lame.

Nekketsu

Types are not as expected? What does that mean?

And catchable UB? I question the legitimacy of this info.

Ruin

Dartrix is going to evolve into the fire/fighting we all feared it would be ;-;

The Laughing Man

@Nekketsu:

Types are not as expected? What does that mean?

And catchable UB? I question the legitimacy of this info.

If I had to guess, it probably just translates to: Litten's final evolution being Fire/Dark instead of Fire/Fighting, and Popplio's final evolution being, perhaps, Water/Psychic instead of Water/Fairy.

MANY people believe Popplio is going to be Water/Fairy come it's final evo, and many people, even though some leaks have hinted at otherwise, believe Litten's final evo is going to be the always exciting Fire/Fighting.

Also. I think Ultra Beasts designs are quite good, too good to simply be an encounter thing that players don't get to play around with or tinker with. They look like legendaries, basically, imho, and also function like a normal Pokemon would. It would be weird from a game design perspective too, but I'm not a game designer on the game, so…

Nekketsu

One of the first moves Popplio learns in battle is Disarming Voice. Combined with its mermaid + undine concept, its final evolution being part Fairy would make a lot of sense.

Where there can't be any surprises is in Rowlet's final evolution. Something really odd woudl have to happen for it to not stay Grass/Flying.

And I still think the starters are following a circus theme. Rowlet is the magician, Litten is obviously the tamer, and Popplio is the performer.

Ruin

Rowlet doesn't do magic, tamers don't go around punching everything into submission (as cool as that would be), and Brionne is explicitly a "Pop Star" which I haven't seen a circus with.

There's an obvious performance theme, but I don't get where people still think the circus is

Noqanky

! Why not just say what the types are instead of "are not as expected"?

It's the sort of bullshit where they may know one thing or another and then build a bunch of bullshit around that to have people guessing and confused or intrigued.

At this point I'm just waiting for the demo and when stuff comes from there I'll bite.

Mr. Reloaded

Water/Fairy is kinda broken for a starter, in-game obviously. Look what it did to Azumarill.

But that's really for the demo datamine to determine.

Noqanky

Yea, no other starters are broken…

Demon Rin

You know guys, the Pokemon Company really went too far this time. Now they're being totally sexist.

Against Men.

Brionne is just TOO feminine. Totally ruined the game for some people. Yup

Yes, this is actually a thing that actual people are actually complaining about.

Yobiyopi

@Demon:

You know guys, the Pokemon Company really went too far this time. Now they're being totally sexist.

Against Men.

Brionne is just TOO feminine. Totally ruined the game for some people. Yup

Yes, this is actually a thing that actual people are actually complaining about.

If we start taking into consideration the opinion of every living being as if it was some news worthy of being discussed over and over we would never stop. Articles like that are just clickbait trash at this point

Md-Martin

@Demon:

You know guys, the Pokemon Company really went too far this time. Now they're being totally sexist.

Against Men.

Brionne is just TOO feminine. Totally ruined the game for some people. Yup

Yes, this is actually a thing that actual people are actually complaining about.

Those people didn't seem ao upset when Mr. Mime was titled…well MR Mime in english

Ruin

i'd say it's more the mime part than the mr. that people take offense to

Capt Haggis

A starter that looks noticeably feminine? We're entering uncharted territory people.

Heck didn't Chikorita have a crush on ash in the anime?

GetsugaZoro

@Yobiyopi:

If we start taking into consideration the opinion of every living being as if it was some news worthy of being discussed over and over we would never stop. Articles like that are just clickbait trash at this point

The fact that its a Kotaku article already proves it's shit, "hey kotaku make an article about people hating on emos because of the emo comment".

The most I've seen are people saying the last evo should be female only because it's too feminine, those retards hating on it for it being too feminine are so few, that it had to be part of a Kotaku article.

Noqanky

Um, I've actually seen them across the internet. I have that hype thing where I've watched multiple videos on these middle evolutions and all of them devolve in the comments into bitching about how feminine it is, and complaining about people about how people are bitching about it being feminine.

So yea, it's actually all over place enough to where it's certainly noticeable. I do agree with you in that it's kinda non-news and just another moments of boy gamers feeling annoyed about not everything in games being tailored to what they consider is "cool".

Nekketsu

One thing I find odd is that Litten is still on its fours after evolving. Normally any starter that goes from that to bipedal undergoes the transformation after the first evolution. So far, there are no records of a starter going bipedal after achieving final form. Moreover, Torracat feet stay tiny, while its front paws gained some bulk. Guess it skipped leg day.

andre

I see some validity about complaining about starters not being androgynous, but it'll be pure hypocrisy if they don't make the same complaint when Litten's final evo is released and looks more masculine than any other starter ever has, included the facial hair having Chesnaught and Samurott. Or if they didn't also complain about Samurott, Chesnaught, Emboar and Delphox. Also, I feel like every time i post I should mention that I hate all of the mid forms and what they're going to evolve into.

Really hoping that there are more than 85 pokemon, but not expecting it. Gen 5 was wonderful in the amount of cool new pokemon it had, but gens 4 and 6 both really disappointed me. I guess Alolan forms are supposed to make up for it, and maybe they should, but I just don't see myself using any of them. Even with new types and appearances, I'm not big on using old pokemon. Assuming there are 85 pokemon like the leak posted a little bit ago implies, I have at most 74 to choose from(not including the starters, which I'll box and release and the box legends), with a good portion being a part of evolutionary groups.

So far I'm interested in using Tortonator, Lycanroc, Pikipek line, Vikavolt, Salandit line, Type: Null, Minior, Jangmo-o line, and maybe Tapu Koko. Hoping the list grows quite a lot.

Also, not sure why you guys have a problem with the idea of catchable Ultra Beasts. I've seen people throw around that they won't and shouldn't be catchable and that seems like such a premature judgment on beings we know almost nothing about beside them not being traditional pokemon. Plus, I just don't buy Gamefreak designing cool monsters that we aren't allowed to catch.

Nekketsu

You have got some strange taste buds to not like these evos.

And no, there's no validity in complaining because it doesn't suit you, other than just being your opinion.

.access timeco.

Catchable Ultra Beasts mean they will be weaker, it's simple as that.

Pokémon games are too easy, that's a common complaint since ever. The legendaries are supposed to be these extremely powerful entities that you'll have to take down at the end of your journey, providing that final challenging BOSS FIGHT! Problem is: since legendaries are catchable, they can't be that strong. Being catchable means it can be used on PVP battles, so they can't be completely broken.
When the hard part of your big boss fights is not killing your enemy right away (so you can spend 20 minutes boringly throwing balls on it) instead of having to work your ass off to overpower it, well, that's underwhelming. Especially when the game keeps constantly hyping you about this creature having powers that could destroy the humanity/world, and when you meet it you can kill it with two hits using that incredibly common animal anyone can find outside their houses.

GF could easily circumvent that by making the legendaries stronger in the wild than they are after you catch them, but they never went that way, so…
Totem Pokémon go that way, but no one believes fighting a powered up Raticate will be actually challenging.
Then Ultra Beasts were presented and they could easily be the answer to that problem: if they are not catchable, then there is no reason to hold back on their power - they can be strong enough to require a whole team to take them down.

@GetsugaZoro:

The most I've seen are people saying the last evo should be female only because it's too feminine, those retards hating on it for it being too feminine are so few, that it had to be part of a Kotaku article.

I don't know which forums you are used to go to, but the ones I see are filled with people complaining about Popplio becoming too feminine. Not one or two guys, but a big portion of the players online. And that's not something that started with Brionne: ever since the final stages were leaked, people complain about Popplio becoming a mermaid because it would be too feminine and it would be ridiculous to play with a male Popplio looking like that.

It is also symptomatic of something bigger, so an article based on that is not only fine, but something I encourage. The Kotaku one is pretty bad, though, since it just mentions the fact and refrain from discussing it.

y2kyle89

Plus catchable Ultra Beasts make it less likely they are actually people.

.access timeco.

Exac… huh!?

On a non-related noted, I have to say as soon as I connected Dartrix with Aoyama from MHA, it just skyrocketed in my list. Now I can only see perfection when I look at it.
Still torn about picking Rowlet or Litten, though... damn you, Luchalitten, why you had to be so amazing? For the first time ever I may end up picking both versions (or play the third one released later).

Lord Starfish

@.access:

Catchable Ultra Beasts mean they will be weaker, it's simple as that.

Pokémon games are too easy, that's a common complaint since ever. The legendaries are supposed to be these extremely powerful entities that you'll have to take down at the end of your journey, providing that final challenging BOSS FIGHT! Problem is: since legendaries are catchable, they can't be that strong. Being catchable means it can be used on PVP battles, so they can't be completely broken.
When the hard part of your big boss fights is not killing your enemy right away (so you can spend 20 minutes boringly throwing balls on it) instead of having to work your ass off to overpower it, well, that's underwhelming. Especially when the game keeps constantly hyping you about this creature having powers that could destroy the humanity/world, and when you meet it you can kill it with two hits using that incredibly common animal anyone can find outside their houses.

GF could easily circumvent that by making the legendaries stronger in the wild than they are after you catch them, but they never went that way, so…
Totem Pokémon go that way, but no one believes fighting a powered up Raticate will be actually challenging.
Then Ultra Beasts were presented and they could easily be the answer to that problem: if they are not catchable, then there is no reason to hold back on their power - they can be strong enough to require a whole team to take them down.

I don't know which forums you are used to go to, but the ones I see are filled with people complaining about Popplio becoming too feminine. Not one or two guys, but a big portion of the players online. And that's not something that started with Brionne: ever since the final stages were leaked, people complain about Popplio becoming a mermaid because it would be too feminine and it would be ridiculous to play with a male Popplio looking like that.

It is also symptomatic of something bigger, so an article based on that is not only fine, but something I encourage. The Kotaku one is pretty bad, though, since it just mentions the fact and refrain from discussing it.

With the way the battle system in Pokémon works, it's kind of hard to really do a super-powered boss-monster you'll need your entire team to bring down though. Raise its stats too much and you just end up with something that'll one-shot everything you throw at it before you get to even attack. Well, I suppose they could give it sky-high defenses so that there's no way to oneshot it…

.access timeco.

@Vegard:

With the way the battle system in Pokémon works, it's kind of hard to really do a super-powered boss-monster you'll need your entire team to bring down though. Raise its stats too much and you just end up with something that'll one-shot everything you throw at it before you get to even attack. Well, I suppose they could give it sky-high defenses so that there's no way to oneshot it…

Good point… maybe legendary/ub fights could be treated as double or triple battles and you could fight it with 2 or 3 pokémon at the same time? This way you could set some strategy before the boss could one shot you.

Fuschiawarrior

The people complaining about Brionne never noticed that 1/3 of female Azurill turned into male Marill upon evolution until gen 6.

@Vegard:

With the way the battle system in Pokémon works, it's kind of hard to really do a super-powered boss-monster you'll need your entire team to bring down though. Raise its stats too much and you just end up with something that'll one-shot everything you throw at it before you get to even attack. Well, I suppose they could give it sky-high defenses so that there's no way to oneshot it…

Well, UB Beauty will give infatuation to Pokémon regardless of gender so your monster will only attack half of the time.

GetsugaZoro

@.access:

I don't know which forums you are used to go to, but the ones I see are filled with people complaining about Popplio becoming too feminine. Not one or two guys, but a big portion of the players online. And that's not something that started with Brionne: ever since the final stages were leaked, people complain about Popplio becoming a mermaid because it would be too feminine and it would be ridiculous to play with a male Popplio looking like that.

It is also symptomatic of something bigger, so an article based on that is not only fine, but something I encourage. The Kotaku one is pretty bad, though, since it just mentions the fact and refrain from discussing it.

Serebii, reddit, here, and I check for 4chan for leaks and such.

Wagomu

@Vegard:

With the way the battle system in Pokémon works, it's kind of hard to really do a super-powered boss-monster you'll need your entire team to bring down though. Raise its stats too much and you just end up with something that'll one-shot everything you throw at it before you get to even attack. Well, I suppose they could give it sky-high defenses so that there's no way to oneshot it…

Well they don't need to raise a boss monster's attack to infinity, but I always thought there were plenty of traits that could be explored for boss monsters.

How about a pokemon that can do two separate attacks in one turn? Or one that could prevent item use (including potions and stuff)? One that can shift type, or immunities? A boss with three types and an ability that renders super effective moves normally effective? A boss that resists all types? One that causes you to switch pokemon every turn? One that cycles through multiple forms, each with its own health bar (there's a few attempts at that without replenishing health in this gen)? Single bosses that you have to fight with two or three pokemon out at a time on your team? Swarm bosses (totems are kinda like that)? One that can attack with a unique status effect like poison that goes away when you switch pokemon? More than four attacks? Ones that can change form mid-battle to suit the situation (imagine boss mode Deoxys)? A boss that can remove a pokemon from your team not being used and throw it out in front like a substitute? One that can reverse the power of attacks (weak moves like bubble are strong, while strong moves like hydro pump are weak)? How about one that flips certain stats (all your team's attack and special attack are switched, or something)? One that can only be damaged by non-damaging moves? One that you can't beat, but you have to survive for some amount of turns? One with multiple body parts that can attack individually, or raise its stats, but don't need to be destroyed to kill it? One with multiple parts that have to be destroyed so you can kill it?

You'd just need to tweak a few things, like making destiny bond, and perish song have no effect, give them hella health or defense, maybe scale their stats by your teams top level, and you have yourself some boss creatures.

The Laughing Man

Pokemon Sun & Moon has a file size of 3.2GB, two times the size of Pokemon X & Y.
Link: http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2016/10/pokemon_sun_and_moons_file_size_is_the_stuff_of_legends

maxterdexter

Is bigger than smash (retail version)

Speaking of the starters "unusual type", something crazy I tought, someone compared the grass starter evolution to sanji, and I tought that it was a shame that it wasn't grass fighting, but the wings, so, maybe the hint is about losing their primary type? just a tought.

Noqanky

Not unusual. Unexpected.

Which tells us nothing in that we don't know for whom it would be unexpected.

maxterdexter

So, as I expected it, it won't happen. Clever leaks…

Nekketsu

With that file size, speculations about a possible second region in the game are going to run wild.