Chapter 787: "4 minutes"
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Great chapter!
I, for one, am not going to get into the "Oda should've done this, Oda should've done that" mentality that keeps so many people from enjoying a great work.
It was really nice to see everyone working together to reach a common goal. -
Bu bu but burgess is so much stronger than sabo! Why is he already losing right off the bat? It's almost like sabo is stronger than a yonkous commander?!? What no way that's impossible. Oh wait no on the contrary it's quite plausible and its true
Sabo hit him with one attack.
Burgess is up and fighting again by the end of chapter.
Does that really qualify as "already losing" to you?
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A pretty good chapter, with some nice moments from Doffy and Barto.
I'm also happy that it looks like Zoro won't be destroying the bird cage.
Holding it back with CoA, I can handle.
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My theory is that the "lights" are actually another Doflamingo attack, another one to draw Luffy out into the open.
Also, as predicted Sabo did not curbstomp Burgess, he is more or less tanking whatever Sabo is throwing at him (though still feeling it and being launched airborne). Even Sabo said Burgess will keep him too busy to be able to help with Doflamingo (GOOD!)
Also this might be the first time where the manga actually went by in "real time" in which 5-6 minutes went by over the course of a chapter, about the average amount of time it takes a person to read a chapter of One Piece
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I liked how Franky pulled random rising sun fans outta nowhere only to cheer the dwarfs.
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I can totally see Sai and the rest of the gladiators pushing the birdcage in the next chapter.
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@zeff:
I can totally see Sai and the rest of the gladiators pushing the birdcage in the next chapter.
That will definitely happen now that they made short work of those Doflamingo Family goons.
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Sabo hit him with one attack.
Burgess is up and fighting again by the end of chapter.
Does that really qualify as "already losing" to you?
What do you think of the chapter? Zoro didn't cut the bird cage, at least not yet. Burgess vs. Sabo is progressing as I would expect; I imagine you found it to be a continuation of something unsatisfying.
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What did you think of the chapter? Zoro didn't cut the bird cage, at least not yet. Burgess vs. Sabo is progressing as I would expect; I imagine you found it to be a continuation of something unsatisfying.
I enjoyed the chapter (like I said above), some pretty cool moments from Barto and Doffy.
I like that it seems Zoro doesn't have any intention of trying to cut the bird cage.
Either we'd end up with Zoro unnecessarily failing at a task he should never have taken on, or the seemingly invincible bird cage being cut open by one dude.
There would be no particularly good outcome.
As far as the Sabo-Burgess stuff goes, I like that Burgess took a named (and rather awesomely drawn) attack from Sabo but was back up and scrapping again by the end of the chapter.
My only complaint is Burgess' strange attempt at hitting a logia user with a CoA-less attack.
Especially considering the fact that Burgess seems to be using CoA at the end of the chapter.
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Chapter 787 Spoiler thread page 10 (#184) "Burgess is not even that weak (disregard my last sentence of my previous statement of course). Sure he lost the fruit and seems to be losing to Sabo, but Sabo has the greater will at the moment giving him the situational edge (yeah I just made that up). Willpower is very important in the OP universe, and in its context, a very valid reason for the outcome of fights. Luffy beating Crocodile and now defeating Doffy in about 10 chapters from now -_- (of course it can get you killed if you are not wise (cough) Ace). Sabo wants and needs to protect his brother to not repeat Ace's death, so he will do everything to protect Luffy just like Luffy would do the same to Sabo.
It doesn't mean Sabo>Burgess and it is why I think his rank as a commander is not questioned. But why would people think of this when they are too simple minded and think Burgess not defeating Sabo means 'Burgess is a weak fodder and BB should be ashamed'."
Ehh what did I say in the spoiler section? There you go, Burgess is not defeated boom. WOW SO UNEXPECTED! It will probably be a stalemate. NO REALLY?
Question: Is this our first time seeing Zoro using this haki? At first, I thought he was gonna try to cut it.
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@zeff:
I can totally see Sai and the rest of the gladiators pushing the birdcage in the next chapter.
Only If they help the dwarves by pushing the seastone factory. Anyone wishing to touch the birdcage bare handed needs a good dose of coa .
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I like that Sabo remembered he didn't have to dodge. I also like how every now and then he gets this wide-eyed look where you can tell he's a little messed up inside. I definitely got that vibe when he first demonstrated the Mera Mera ability to Burgess.
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I enjoyed the chapter (like I said above), some pretty cool moments from Barto and Doffy.
I like that it seems Zoro doesn't have any intention of trying to cut the bird cage.
Either we'd end up with Zoro unnecessarily failing at a task he should never have taken on, or the seemingly invincible bird cage being cut open by one dude.
There would be no particularly good outcome.
As far as the Sabo-Burgess stuff goes, I like that Burgess took a named (and rather awesomely drawn) attack from Sabo but was back up and scrapping again by the end of the chapter.
My only complaint is Burgess' strange attempt at hitting a logia user with a CoA-less attack.
Especially considering the fact that Burgess seems to be using CoA at the end of the chapter.
Yeah, that happens a little frustratingly frequently. I think Zoro's presence is pretty innocuous; according to Aohige's translation it seems like he still intends to destroy the cage, but he looks extremely tasked with just aiding in the stalling. At the very least he won't compromise the drama of the proceedings.
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I enjoyed the chapter (like I said above), some pretty cool moments from Barto and Doffy.
I like that it seems Zoro doesn't have any intention of trying to cut the bird cage.
Either we'd end up with Zoro unnecessarily failing at a task he should never have taken on, or the seemingly invincible bird cage being cut open by one dude.
There would be no particularly good outcome.
As far as the Sabo-Burgess stuff goes, I like that Burgess took a named (and rather awesomely drawn) attack from Sabo but was back up and scrapping again by the end of the chapter.
My only complaint is Burgess' strange attempt at hitting a logia user with a CoA-less attack.
Especially considering the fact that Burgess seems to be using CoA at the end of the chapter.
Well is not like you need CoA to hit a logia user .
But it does look like he was taking sabo more serious after he got hit by his attack.EDIT i also like that compare to ace sabo use the df as a secondary way to attack .
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Excellent chapter.
We are heading into the climax of the arc, and I hope that Oda delivers.
We still have a few loose ends besides the doflamingo vs Luffy fight.
And while it's established that the downed doflamingo pirates won't get revived anytime soon, buffalo and some mooks can still gather them and escape the island.
Unless we are in for one final Baby 5 vs buffalo fight!
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Another little moment I liked was Baby 5 going "Kyaaa" over Sai getting ready to lead the rest of the gladiators. She got a good deal, not getting a chump but a person who takes charge.
I was a little disappointed that it was the gladiators that took down the mook. I was hoping maybe Senor Pink and/or Baby 5 was the one who did it. They would say to let them through, as they shouldn't be following a man such as Doflamingo. Makes more sense that it was the gladiators that did it, but would've been a cool moment to see a few members turn heel from the results of the battle.
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I also like how every now and then he gets this wide-eyed look where you can tell he's a little messed up inside. I definitely got that vibe when he first demonstrated the Mera Mera ability to Burgess.
You mean when he lights his finger? Definitely.
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My only complaint is Burgess' strange attempt at hitting a logia user with a CoA-less attack.
Especially considering the fact that Burgess seems to be using CoA at the end of the chapter.
It looked like a show attack with both sabo and Burgess being guilty. There is no way Burgess would attack a logia without coa and there is no way sabo would defend himself against an opponent of that calibre just by turning into flames. A fancy panel without any meaning… Guess it was a wasted panel if you count stupid show offs as such.
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Best page IMO.
The background was beastly…
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How many of you guys searched for Sunny on the last page? I have a feeling that one crazy bastard might finally show up.
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That Doflamingo panel is indeed beastly. I mentioned last week that it would be a massacre and it is, though the fighters still seem to have enough reserves to keep at him I guess. Also, Meadows and the other named fighters are nowhere visible on that panel and can be assumed to still be fighting (or one of the silhouettes).
It looked like a show attack with both sabo and Burgess being guilty. There is no way Burgess would attack a logia without coa and there is no way sabo would defend himself against an opponent of that calibre just by turning into flames. A fancy panel without any meaning… Guess it was a wasted panel if you count stupid show offs as such.
It had some purpose, in that it showcased a move Burgess never used before.
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They assume the birdcage will go away once they knock out Doflamingo because that's how it works, would this also mean his string "healing" will go away andhis organs would fall apart?
It feels like by OP rules Doflamingo will die as soon as he's knocked out but Luffy never kills so I dunno what will happen.
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They assume the birdcage will go away once they knock out Doflamingo because that's how it works, would this also mean his string "healing" will go away andhis organs would fall apart?
Haha, good point. Though I'm very sure we aren't suppose to think too deeply on that subject as I seriously doubt it's going to actually happen when Doflamingo gets KO'd. A that point, we can pretend the organs mended themselves naturally (really really fast) during the time the strings were there.
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Yeah, that happens a little frustratingly frequently. I think Zoro's presence is pretty innocuous; according to Aohige's translation it seems like he still intends to destroy the cage,
Huh.
That'd be pretty strange in my opinion.
If Zoro was going to attempt to destroy the cage, wouldn't he try that first and then try and hold it back if that was unsuccessful?
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I enjoyed the chapter (like I said above), some pretty cool moments from Barto and Doffy.
I like that it seems Zoro doesn't have any intention of trying to cut the bird cage.
Either we'd end up with Zoro unnecessarily failing at a task he should never have taken on, or the seemingly invincible bird cage being cut open by one dude.
There would be no particularly good outcome.
As far as the Sabo-Burgess stuff goes, I like that Burgess took a named (and rather awesomely drawn) attack from Sabo but was back up and scrapping again by the end of the chapter.
My only complaint is Burgess' strange attempt at hitting a logia user with a CoA-less attack.
Especially considering the fact that Burgess seems to be using CoA at the end of the chapter.
It was a long range lariat. Basically a swoop of air.. and haki imbued air is not a thing that exist in onepiece I think
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Well is not like you need CoA to hit a logia user .
Unless you know their weakness or they randomly decide to not use their natural logia defence, yeah.
EDIT i also like that compare to ace sabo use the df as a secondary way to attack .
Yeah, I quite like that too.
It would suck if Sabo just abandoned his old techniques to only use MM attacks.
Using his new DF abilities to enhance his existing attacks is definitely the right way to go.
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It was a long range lariat. Basically a swoop of air.. and haki imbued air is not a thing that exist in onepiece I think
Yeah, so say there's no way to imbue long range attacks with haki…why try to hit a logia user with such an attack?
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They assume the birdcage will go away once they knock out Doflamingo because that's how it works, would this also mean his string "healing" will go away andhis organs would fall apart?
It feels like by OP rules Doflamingo will die as soon as he's knocked out but Luffy never kills so I dunno what will happen.
if he is unconscious he would lose control over his strings, thus stopping the birdcage… but he is not controlling the stitches on his body once they are already in place, no need to
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They assume the birdcage will go away once they knock out Doflamingo because that's how it works, would this also mean his string "healing" will go away andhis organs would fall apart?
It feels like by OP rules Doflamingo will die as soon as he's knocked out but Luffy never kills so I dunno what will happen.
Good point. The way I see it, stitching up his organs and keeping the birdcage up are two different things. Doflamingo could stitch his organs back together, and tie the strings in a way to keep everything good. He doesn't need to do anything about it, and the strings are probably not that strong. For bird cage, he has to be conscious to keep the strings up and sharp, since it's from the strings of a clone after all. If Doflamingo goes unconscious, he no longer has control of those strings, and they would lose the rigidness they have. The strings would probably soften and just fall down like regular string. The strings softening up wouldn't be too much of a problem for the stitches, but a large object such as the bird cage would fall because of that.
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Unless you know their weakness or they randomly decide to not use their natural logia defence, yeah.
Yeah, I quite like that too.
It would suck if Sabo just abandoned his old techniques to only use MM attacks.
Using his new DF abilities to enhance his existing attacks is definitely the right way to go.
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Yeah, so say there's no way to imbue long range attacks with haki...why try to hit a logia user with such an attack?
to disperse him and get closer for the real attack? logia don't take damage sure, but are still effected by attacks,in a way conformed to their element that is
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Manshelly is lost, so I'm keeping with those "things" in the sky being the Restoration in action.
If beating Doula is how the Cage will dissapear, how in the 7 kingdoms Zoro end up fighting the cage instead of finishing off Doula, this dude..
Cabbage wasn't around either, wonder if he will try something… Or Barto....or Sai... Or Maynard.. Or someome should do something, Why wating on Luffy when there are people there capable of taking down weakened Doula:getlost:
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I really hope we get some more of doflamingo, I love his half conscious rampage
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@joekido:
Ever wonder why Bartholomeo won't use the barrier to stop the birdcage?
It's probably because he haven't awakened his devil fruit powers yet?
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Unless you know their weakness or they randomly decide to not use their natural logia defence, yeah.
Made a mistake there went to say hardening but said CoA by mistake.
Sometimes they use CoA but you don't see it .
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And he's Bartholomeo. He probably wants to help the citizens from being executed by doflamingo's goons. So there's that?
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Hmm, if Mansherry were to use her ability on Luffy I wonder if he'd be able to immediately jump back into the fray.
Also I wonder where Rebecca is running off to.
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I noticed a massive inconsistency this chapter.
Zoro told Hajurudin when he went down that when he woke up there wouldn't be a cage anymore
Look right here folks, Hajrudin is up and kicking.
Obi wan Kenobi: if you haven't noticed, the birdcage is still up!
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Hmm, if Mansherry were to use her ability on Luffy I wonder if he'd be able to immediately jump back into the fray.
Also I wonder where Rebecca is running off to.
Maybe she'll be the one who will kill off Dofla at the end of this arc? Or she could try and help bypass some time for Luffy to recovered his Haki after 4 minutes is up?
Wrap that around your head for a second?
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@DHL:
I noticed a massive inconsistency this chapter.
Zoro told Hajurudin when he went down that when he woke up there wouldn't be a cage anymore
Look right here folks, Hajrudin is up and kicking.
Obi wan Kenobi: if you haven't noticed, the birdcage is still up!
Zoro can't know that heal would be cast on him lol .
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You know, for what is essentially a "waiting chapter" for a time limit to run out I actually really enjoyed this chapter.
It had good Sabo/Burgess action, neither one felt totally one sided; kinda pointed out by the fact that Sabo mentions he's gonna have his hands full with just him alone. Having most people try and do something about the birdcage was nice, made it feel like nobody was forgotten (and gave them something to do). And for some reason I really like Doflamingo's rampage. Not only does it seem dark and ominous; but we can clearly see he's taken the toll of Luffy's beating and he's pissed.
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Maybe she'll be the one who will kill off Dofla at the end of this arc? Or she could try and help bypass some time for Luffy to recovered his Haki after 4 minutes is up?
Wrap that around your head for a second?
You know, I could see her carrying Manshelly to give to Luffy; at most maybe dodging some of Doflamingo's blows, but I don't see her actually beating Doffy in any way shape or form.
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just noticed that both luffy and sabo can't remember names. #brothers
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Good chapter. I really liked the last double page with all the things happening at the moment.
Don't know if someone has already said this but, can the lights/sparks be the strings of the birdcage snaping?
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Did Sabo imbued his fire with haki right?
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@.:Nonsh:.:
Good chapter. I really liked the last double page with all the things happening at the moment.
Don't know if someone has already said this but, can the lights/sparks be the strings of the birdcage snaping?
Or possibly Kizaru? I'm just running out of ideas at this point. XD
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Did Sabo imbued his fire with haki right?
Hmm…If he could do that I wonder what it would look like. Black flames?
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Did Sabo imbued his fire with haki right?
Don't look so.
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OK, I finally got around to reading the chapter uninterrupted and here are some of my thoughts:
- Sabo's Flaming Dragon Claw to Dragon King combo was fucking BADASS!!!
- Seeing Dofla being madder than a mofo gave me the hebejebes. O_O
- Seeing Robin talking to Viola is kinda weird since, at least in this chapter, Viola looks almost just like Robin.
- Watching those colosseum fighters kickass again is always a treat! :)
- The effect of Zoro infusing Busoshoku Koka into his sword looks pretty awesome!
Overall, this chapter was fantastic! :D
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Best Chapter since a while!
Thank you Oda!
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Don't look so.
Looks like a normal dragon attack but with fire added to itbut that move was made with haki before dragon claw or something
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I'm still waiting for the unavoidable cliffhanger next chapter before break.
Luffy stops moving when he goes to finish off Doflamingo.
Pleaseeeeeee Oda
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I wonder why Zoro don't just cut the hell of Mingo? think Zoro! think!