Monster Hunter either sucks in your soul or you're put off by the series because it is a tad monotonous at the start (from the ones I played on 3DS)
I might actually activate the PS+ that I bought forever ago lol. Time for hundreds of hours to disappear from my life.
Oh shit really? I've been keeping half an eye on this game (having never played any of the other games in the series) after some of the gameplay trailers made it look like something that could scratch my "fairly mindless, open-world, action RPG with a decent character progression system" itch after BoTW kinda shat the bed in that regard. What stood out to you as being eh about the beta?
I always hear that that the games are all about learning monster patterns and having to have strategies and lay traps, and target some limbs extensively to cripple it and such, and that sounds really cool. And its been highly recommended by opinions I trust. But when I played the beta, (both for the new ps4 game and the old demo on the psp years ago) I just don't see any of that, it feels entirely like just finding the monster and then button mashing on it til it runs away, chasing it, then button mashing it some more. The weapon variety didn't do much for me either.
I don't know if its because the beta overpowers you and underpowers the monsters, or if its a completely different game when you have to start out with complete crap items and armor, but in the demo it just feels kind of mindless, and the only real strategy needed is "you have to find the monster quickly or time will run out before you can spend 15 minutes endlessly whittling on it." So I wonder if its just me so I watch some youtube videos of other people playing and it seems like the same thing, the only strategy I see is "everyone equip hammers and stun it a bunch… and this still takes 20 minutes." Like, is the difference that the demo forces a 20 minute time limit compared to the actual game having an hour?
I want to fall in love with the game but every demo I've played just never does it for me. I just feel like Horizon Zero Dawn did the exact same idea but better and with more varied equipment. And Dark Souls and Nioh give me boss patterns and challenging combat and big world maps and other stuff to do and they just feel a bit better. And if I want mindless hack and slash I have musou games to go to.
I always hear that that the games are all about learning monster patterns and having to have strategies and lay traps, and target some limbs extensively to cripple it and such, and that sounds really cool. And its been highly recommended by opinions I trust. But when I played the beta, (both for the new ps4 game and the old demo on the psp years ago) I just don't see any of that, it feels entirely like just finding the monster and then button mashing on it til it runs away, chasing it, then button mashing it some more. The weapon variety didn't do much for me either.
I don't know if its because the beta overpowers you and underpowers the monsters, or if its a completely different game when you have to start out with complete crap items and armor, but in the demo it just feels kind of mindless, and the only real strategy needed is "you have to find the monster quickly or time will run out before you can spend 15 minutes endlessly whittling on it." So I wonder if its just me so I watch some youtube videos of other people playing and it seems like the same thing, the only strategy I see is "everyone equip hammers and stun it a bunch… and this still takes 20 minutes." Like, is the difference that the demo forces a 20 minute time limit compared to the actual game having an hour?
I want to fall in love with the game but every demo I've played just never does it for me. I just feel like Horizon Zero Dawn did the exact same idea but better and with more varied equipment. And Dark Souls and Nioh give me boss patterns and challenging combat and big world maps and other stuff to do and they just feel a bit better. And if I want mindless hack and slash I have musou games to go to.
I don't know if its because the beta
That's correct. The full product won't be anything like the beta. Here you're given default equipment, and the monsters are heavily nerfed. See the Anjanath? That thing one-shots you in the full game, if you don't wear the proper equipment. You are also fixed to a reduced time limit that in the full game is 50 minutes long at max (25 at the min), and once you finish the assigned mission you are free to explore further until you get tired. You will also be able to travel to other environments as soon as they are available.
As for the monsters, in addition to the nerf they got, what you've been seen is just the tip. There are monsters like the Great Jagras with simple patterns, and then there're things like the Rathalos who can give you a run for your money if you're not prepared. And don't get me started on the highly intelligent species. Targeting their vulnerable spots will work at your favor. For example, cutting off their tails will reduce the range of the attacks they perform with that body part.
But you are wrong in thinking this is anything like Horizon or Dark Souls. First of all, strategies are not mandatory. You are free to hunt the monster however you feel like, be it the fast way, which is button mashing and making sure you don't hit back (which is a masochist strategy only people who are too impatient will go for), or skillfully using the surroundings and the stuff you have and/or find around to your own advantage. In the end what you have to do is pretty simple: to hunt down your target and fullfill your mission. It may feel a tad monotonous at first, but trust me, every monster is unique, and you'll soon see as you progress through the game how your repertory of strategies further expands, allowing you to create very elaborated, like luring a monster to another, or kicking that frog so it releases its paralyzing pheromones, etc.
Ok awesome. Thanks Nekketsu and Robby for the info. Sounds like the game is still worth keeping an eye on to see how the player reviews fall with the complete gameplay available (which is a good strategy in general I guess).
http://www.capcom.co.jp/ir/english/news/html/e180129.html
(Capcom) today announced that Monster Hunter: World for the PlayStation
4 computer entertainment system and Xbox One*1 has shipped 5 million units worldwide (including digital download sales)
Sets series record for most units shipped in first three days.
Looks like Japanese companies that really go out there and try to compete with major Western titles have been having successes.
We also saw this with Zelda, Mario and FFXV as well as the likes of From with Dark Souls.
This game rules, btw. Great to play with my brothers (though multiplayer setup is frustratingly convoluted at the moment) and every major fight tends to take two or three unexpected turns. It's slow, but it's a nice, pleasant slow.
I still haven't gotten out of the Ancient Forest.
First I wanted to overcome Anjanath knowing my gear was really weak and not taking time to build equipment up, but decided I needed a slightly stronger weapon so he wouldn't run away and I wouldn't get carted so many times.
Then I spent so much time looking for endemic creatures to capture.
Kept running into spider nets after remembering they had spiders in them, took a while to find one I didn't just plow through to catch one.
After the Kula Yaku spotlight, Pukei-Pukei and Rathalos started showing up on expedition mode and I've hunted/captured Anjanath/Jagras/Pukei/Kula-Yaku and made the armor pieces I wanted.
In fact, I now prefer capturing to hunting ever since I saw the tooltip that it completes hunt quests (I think this may not be the case for the bounties), just love watching them sleep back at base.
Only need to capture Rathalos before I'll move on, probably will have an easier time once I get that treetop base since catching up to him on foot takes so much time.
Street Fighter's Ryu and Sakura are going to be playable characters.
Uhm… wha?
I mean, they've already announced MegaMan is going to be in it: https://www.polygon.com/2017/12/9/16755310/monster-hunter-world-mega-man
It's fine. The game really doesn't take itself very seriously, especially in everything regarding the palicos, which are hilarious if you pay attention to them.
Hang in there, Kierkegaard.
I mean, they've already announced MegaMan is going to be in it: https://www.polygon.com/2017/12/9/16755310/monster-hunter-world-mega-man
…...whut.
That's just freaky.
The game looks so good. I'm sure Ill get it eventually. I just wish the demos hadn't completely un-enthused me. Everyone says the demos aren't representative of the actual game at all, and I believe it... but I was REALLY bored by the beta.
…...whut.
That's just freaky.
The game looks so good. I'm sure Ill get it eventually. I just wish the demos hadn't completely un-enthused me. Everyone says the demos aren't representative of the actual game at all, and I believe it... but I was REALLY bored by the beta.
It's a weird one to explain, since it goes against my usual patterns in what I like in games. I'll forgive a game a host of story or graphical sins, for example, if everything works together smoothly, and this is…not that game at all. Everything is clunky. Multiplayer is great, but it's super-clunky to progress as a group. There's all kinds of customization available, but it's very clunky to manage inventory or keep upgrades sorted out. There's a lot of walking from Point A to Point B then to Point A.
But sometimes, it really clicks. Had a moment last night where I was getting my ass handed to me by a big dinosaur, ran away, and then had to hide in a corner as an even bigger winged dude swooped down and had a pronounced tiff with the original monster. It's the unpredictable nature of it all as well as the dozens of ways to handle a particular hunt that's fun.
Also, occasionally, it does stuff like this [that's my brother in the video]:
Anyways, again, I'm loving it, but I could totally see you being bored or hating it and thinking it's a totally justified opinion. Ain't for everyone, and 4 times out of 5, wouldn't be for me.
It's just… it looks and feels and seems like it should absolutely be up my alley. I love the designs. I've loved musou games, Dark Souls, and Horizon. But I've tried the demo on three different games on three different systems over the course of years now (PSP. Wii, PS4) and... nothing.
Like, if the demos are really that consistently bad and not selling on the actual gameplay at all then... why are they so misleading? I then watch other people playing the game and get sort of the same impression... but then I've consistently heard high recommendations for the franchise, I want to jump on it, but.... Arrrgh.
Oh well. Maybe when it goes on sale in two or three months. I still have to play the Horizon DLC anyway.
I'm hooked on this game even though at the start it's challenging and there's so much to do. I'm not sure what I want to focus on. Do I just want to gather materials for armor and weapons? Do I want to just research? Do I want to practice arm wrestling? Lol.
Finally capped my Rathalos and moved onto the Wildspire Wastes, where I immediately captured the Rathian and Barroth when they showed up.
To my dismay the storymode seems to have covered the captured monster platform with a piece of Zorah slag and I definitely want to see it when I finally subdue Diablos…
Got the patterns of the Raths down and now only die if I get stun locked.
Debating whether the anti-stun of Barroth or no-knockback during jumps of Rathalos boots will suit my lance playstyle more, since I can't get both atm.
Probably going to get the Rathalos boots since that maxes at a single point and I love to charge and mount the big guys.
New players talking to Monster Hunter veterans about obvious weird design issues.
My only real gripe is how confusing grouping together with people know is. Like…Why does it have to be so wildly different from.every other game? Why can we only see each other in the gathering hub?
Like we figured out how to group for assignments, investigations and whatever. But if one person was confused it made us basically all have to start the group over again.
My only real gripe is how confusing grouping together with people know is. Like…Why does it have to be so wildly different from.every other game? Why can we only see each other in the gathering hub?
Like we figured out how to group for assignments, investigations and whatever. But if one person was confused it made us basically all have to start the group over again.
This part is really bad. I'm guessing Capcom thought it would ruin immersion to have cutscenes where only one character model showed up or something, but maybe, just maybe, it ruins immersion more that story quests require my party of four to start the same quest, get to the point where all the cutscenes have been seen, then have three of us quit and rejoin the other person's quest for co-op.
It's not really all that bad once we got the hang of it, but it is a stupid, stupid hoop through which to jump.
I wonder if it's something that can be fixed. Just keep it simple. Cause it's like…Are we supposed to just be playing a solo game? And replay with friend for faster hunting of parts? Why not just have it set so that if you are further along in the game you can opt to rewatch the cutscenes too. Or just be kicked back to a camp site to wait for the person who hadn't seen them yet? They scenes haven't been that long..
Felled two Jyuratodus. That mudfish resembles Lavasioth only in appearance, its attack pattern is a whole different story.
So far I still haven't stumbled upon a wall, although damn Diablos one-shotted me. But is to be expected, it's Diablos.
Diablos and Tobi Kadachi are next on my hunt list now that I've cleared the Zorah slag and captured a couple of Jyuratodos.
Apparently HP armor skills now stack with Nutrients/Max Potions unlike previous titles, so that might help against the heavy hitters, unless you're already low.
Gotta get that prehunt on.
There's nothing like fighting high rank monsters with low rank armor. You can survive two hits or maybe three if your max health is high enough.
The Palicos seem incredibly durable this time around. But I'm not complaining. There's a bunch of conveniences in this game compared to others. Unlimited whetstones, movement while healing, stamina drops considerably slower running outside of battle, separate bags for usable items and materials/resources, no need for paintballs, mining minerals is way faster, and you can auto-combine certain items as you find them.
I'm not sure if I could go back to the older games now. Jaime's picture is pretty accurate 
There's nothing like fighting high rank monsters with low rank armor. You can survive two hits or maybe three if your max health is high enough.
The Palicos seem incredibly durable this time around. But I'm not complaining. There's a bunch of conveniences in this game compared to others. Unlimited whetstones, movement while healing, stamina drops considerably slower running outside of battle, separate bags for usable items and materials/resources, no need for paintballs, mining minerals is way faster, and you can auto-combine certain items as you find them.
I'm pretty sure I started getting 2-3 shot in MH4U when I wasn't on board with upgrading/getting new armor beyond the starter set.
Just had to find the right monster, which was Tetsucabra.
Made his set after I beat him, but without my lance's shield I immediately lost a big chunk of my health to his charging attacks.
I do like that there is strategy in acquiring Sushifish and Whetfish now compared to regular pots and whetstones, and not getting 2v1'd by two large monsters every time they are in the same zone with you feels better than them sometimes hitting each other trying to hit you.
That flipping Pukei-Pukei quest took me 40 flippin minutes because the Anjanath and a Great Jagras kept running into it's territory. I'd have to run away and I'd lose track of it. Found the bastard taking a nap at one point.
It's a good thing some of the most threatening-looking species are not hostile towards the player when they sight you. Although some may turn against you, if you stay around their turf for too long.
With that said, now I'm playing MHW, it would be difficult if not outright impossible for me to go back to the past gens. It's simply impossible to look back now and not think: "Man, it feels like I'm almost playing an entirely different game".
I definitely get that feeling when I play lance on MH4U.
All the advances in that moveset alone have me quietly thinking what I'd be doing differently if I had the options I did in World.
I could go on about how all the little things add up, but as long as I'm not making the little mistakes that end up in an immediate cart, I can still have fun with it.
But it kinda makes me want some of those mons to get DLC'd to World so I can give them a taste of the new lance.
Here Khezu Khezu…
Just captured alive my first Odogaron with the Rath CB. Easily the best 17 minutes of my life. Elemental weaponry is a gorgeous display of visual effects.
How are you guys liking the new monsters? Paolumu is so ridiculous, you can tell they fun with that design. I wouldn't be surprised if it returns in all future games. Tobi-Kadachi is a good addition since he's the lovechild of Zinogre and Nargacuga. But to me, Tobi gets overshadowed by Odogaron. They both check the same boxes for fast monsters, but Odogaron just does it better. I can't even think of a good comparison monster for him. He's like a faster, competent Tigrex. So nothing like Tigrex 
Legiana is somewhere between Rathian and Rathalos as far as flight time, but is otherwise alright. I've fought it quite a few times since its armor bonus gives more quest rewards so maybe I've gotten way too used to it already.
The returning monsters I've seen so far are all basically the same although Diablos seems to burrow a lot more than I remember. The one exception has been Kirin. It changed quite a bit and even gets an over-the-top Rajang mode! Kirin was always able to get enraged but there wasn't much of a difference visually. It actually looks intimidating for the first time ever.
First HR quest. It's just a Pukei-Pukei, what could go wrong?
My last words before I carted twice.
Game looks reeeeally good. I'm close to buying it, but I'm worried it'll be a huge time commitment. My time is scarce right now
Not even hiding in a narrow space will save you. The fucker will just shoot its spikes through the gap for massive damage.
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Continuing in High Rank. "Hey, why did the bgm chang- WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT!?"
Guess yourselves which monster is.
I give this a 9.5/10 so far.
It would get a 10/10 if the targeting system was better but sometimes it just annoys the hell out of me. I swear Ocarina of Time had a better targeting system.
Besides that, I can't think of any negatives of this game. I'm having a blast and though someone said it's not like dark souls, it's similar enough to get my fix taken care of.
I feel like the monsters are big enough to not really need a targeting system. I didn't play the last couple games on the New 3DS so just having that stick to rotate the camera has been enough for me. Moving around in general is more comfortable and natural without having to fix the camera. I can understand the need for it if there's multiple monsters in the area though.
Glad to see Kirin is still a massive spammer asshole and as much as pain to beat up as always. Actually, he's much harder than in any of its previous appearances, specially because now Elder Dragons do really live up to the environmental disrubters they're meant to be. I just can't strike as much as I would because of thunder storm raining down non-stop. I dread when I have to face off with Kushala Daora and its impenetrable wind barrier.
Wish I had been hunting Investigations since the beginning, and now I find the Plunder Gadget for my Palico gives me even more rewards to help me finish sets faster.
Still haven't had the need to take off my Low Rank Kirin set since going High Rank, though I probably will have to swap more than one piece of armor to get resilient enough to fight Bazelgeuse.
I was doing pretty good against him in expedition mode until one of his shells one shot me, so I need to figure out whether that's Kirin's weakness to fire or just pure blast damage gibbing me.
You're going against Bazelgeuse wearing on the Kirin set? Bad choice, dude. Minecone wyvern deals fire damage, is not wise to face it off with armor that is weak to that element.
This is my first MH experience, so I didn't know it went to high rank. Was it a waste to grind for my low rank Diablos set right before getting to high rank?
This is my first MH experience, so I didn't know it went to high rank. Was it a waste to grind for my low rank Diablos set right before getting to high rank?
I've been wearing mostly Diablos, and I've killed just about everything in high rank again that was present in low rank save for Rathalos, Diablos, and Kirin. So, it can work.
Hang in there, Kierkegaard.
I've been wearing mostly Diablos, and I've killed just about everything in high rank again that was present in low rank save for Rathalos, Diablos, and Kirin. So, it can work.
Good to know. I was getting cocky in low rank, thinking I can take on any monster now. Then I found out about high rank and quickly got 1 shotted by Diablos, who I thought I mastered lol
This is my first MH experience, so I didn't know it went to high rank. Was it a waste to grind for my low rank Diablos set right before getting to high rank?
No, it wasn't a waste of time. You'll need high rank armor so you can get away with being hit. It's no fun being KO'd by one attack.
Diablos, Kirin, and Bazel do stupid damage with some of their attacks. Nergigante hits hard with that one move, but the rest of the game is actually pretty tame other than that. I like that chip damage got reduced or in some cases taken out entirely. I have nightmares of fighting Yian Garuga with dual blades
You're going against Bazelgeuse wearing on the Kirin set? Bad choice, dude. Minecone wyvern deals fire damage, is not wise to face it off with armor that is weak to that element.
I just had it on while I was on expedition mode trying to crop up investigations, gotta capture everything for that extra loot.
Probably will have to put on some more serious hunting gear soon, but I'm stuck farming for Torrent and Inferno Sacs that just don't want to appear.
Whereas when I was farming Tobi Kadachi, he just gave me more Thunder Sacs than I'll probably ever need, but wouldn't surrender his +pelts.
Maybe they'll just appear in the Wyverian melding pot now that I've collected so many other materials to feed it…
No, it wasn't a waste of time. You'll need high rank armor so you can get away with being hit. It's no fun being KO'd by one attack.
Diablos, Kirin, and Bazel do stupid damage with some of their attacks. Nergigante hits hard with that one move, but the rest of the game is actually pretty tame other than that. I like that chip damage got reduced or in some cases taken out entirely. I have nightmares of fighting Yian Garuga with dual blades
And do the high rank monster's move sets change? Or just their stats?
This game makes me wish there were more hours in the day cuz it sucks up a lot of time lol
And do the high rank monster's move sets change? Or just their stats?
I haven't noticed any moveset changes between low and high rank. Their health and attack go up quite a bit and that's about it. And with added health comes different stagger values and more durable body parts. In previous games you need to take a few more % points of health to capture at higher ranks too. Every monster in low-rank has a high-rank counterpart but there are monsters that are only high-rank.
This game makes me wish there were more hours in the day cuz it sucks up a lot of time lol
It really does. I've actually played a little bit on weekdays and I don't normally do that.
Monsters do gain some new moves in HR, but is barely noticeable. For example, Pukei-Pukei may eat bomb nuts, as this type is not found in the Ancient Forest.
Where it gets more noticeable is in their move patterns. More than once I was caught offguard due to not predicting that.
Then we have things like the different color palette swaps aka subespecies, which come with their own distinct movesets.
Unlike in MH4U, Pink Rathian is a joy to fight with the lance and I'm already taking her down in around 5 mins.
Seems like she doesn't hit me with her special crazy sweep at all, which bypassed my lance shield over half the time in MH4U.
That may be because I'm never under her when she decides to use it now, but powershield and counterstrike should cover me.
Probably going to have to stop using my Kirin armor as I start fight everything onward, since Black Diablos demands my stamina be up and she won't go down if I can't block or evade out of her tackles.
Bazel is such a pain.
Reminder that Deviljho is coming to World in Spring and we may end up with two party crashers in the same hunt.
Like, imagine having to avoid being carpeted to death, while from the opposite side a huge mad dinosaur is coming to smash you clean with the Great Jagras that has between its teeth.
Reminder that Deviljho is coming to World in Spring and we may end up with two party crashers in the same hunt.
Like, imagine having to avoid being carpeted to death, while from the opposite side a huge mad dinosaur is coming to smash you clean with the Great Jagras that has between its teeth.
That sounds stressful as hell lol anjanath is still a huge pain in my ass even after beating stronger high rank monsters. I run in terror everytime he gets enraged -__-
Welp.
