@joekido:
So where is Vergo beating up Law? Did Oda forgot this detail or did he change his mind?
Law doesn't even have his DF powers yet. We know that Vergo beat him up because his haki was strong enough to block Law's cutting ability.
So that might happen in the next chapter, maybe we'll get to see 2 fights: Law vs Vergo and Corason vs Doflamingo.
i thought aohige cleared that up a while ago not the supernovas were made on the spot but that they were included in the sabaody ark, they should have appeared later in the story
Ah, apologies then. Still, it is possible that Law's role was extended/his fruit buffed/his D added, because of the immense popularity of the character. It's not unthinkable, I think.
I wonder too 'cause his durability is starting to make the PH door look bad. I feel like we'll get a more in depth explanation of his and his DF's strengths and weaknesses.
Characters in OP always had crazy durability so it not surprising law can take some damage .
Truth is other than the 3 bullets he take which he took care of, he really not take much damage compare to Zoro some arcs.
Is super stupid to consider that the only reason Law is being developed so much is because he's popular, I mean that's the most stupid shit somebody can actually say. I remember a year ago people were bitching about him being the coolest kid with the hax Devil Fruit so he was being hated because of it, but now we have people bitching about Law being important to the plot in general and getting more attention than anyone involved in this arc.
Oda the author who changes his 15+ years of work due to character popularity.
Ah, apologies then. Still, it is possible that Law's role was extended/his fruit buffed/his D added, because of the immense popularity of the character. It's not unthinkable, I think.
surely not but i doubt he was immediately so popular that that would be a reason to extend his role by letting him rescue luffy
Law's starting to annoy me - it seems less like he's popular because he's important to the plot, and more like he's being made important to the plot because he's popular.
That his popularity comes regardless of his relevance is obvious, he is a fan favorite since he first appeared and we knew nothing of him. He simply looked and acted cool, and that was enough for most to love him.
However say that Oda gave him relevance because of his popularity? I am pretty sure all of this was already planned when the supernova were presented, so no.
Never said he was, btw. Thus proving my argument about you guys not bloody reading. I dislike him precisely because of that naivity, and the fact that he had obvious counter-measures to it.
Here's a thing about parenting: IF, as you say, Homing made the decision because of wanting to raise his children in better enviroment then Mariejois, which would be a reasonable explanation for his actions, and if Homing, as he says, always considered himself human…
Why didn't he left the day Doffy was born?
Who knows? Perhaps a major event happened that triggered his desire to leave. Maybe he wanted to do it for a long time, but simply hadn't worked up the courage to do it until that time. Or perhaps there was a time lapse between his decision and the actual moving. After all, I'm sure preparations had to be made and I doubt there was enough precedence for this type of thing for a system to be in place to make those preparations go quicker. Perhaps he only realized the importance of living as a human after watching his sons grow up in that sort of environment
I'd say that's a slave
Ah you're right, CD sit on top him, I'm bit confused with this picture (like 2 CDs stand beside him, his finger like hair another CD)
Just noticed it said 33 years ago, but I'm not sure if that is relative to current year (more likely), or the time the flashback is occuring at.
Edit: Nevermind, we see Doffy and Cora as kids by them in one panel
Law's starting to annoy me - it seems less like he's popular because he's important to the plot, and more like he's being made important to the plot because he's popular.
Him getting more screen time than the other non-Straw Hat Supernovas is understandable to some extent, since the other Supernovas will have their time to shine eventually, but now he's an master strategist and ex-Shichibukai with a power that seems to have no clear limitations, who's secretly one of the Ds? He's nowhere near the level of Itachi or Hitsugaya in that regard, thankfully, but it's starting to get on my nerves.
It was pretty clear he was involved with Doflamingo and the Will of D. pre-timeskip.
Ace was also popular the first time he show up and Oda hardly did anything with him for years .
Saying that Oda make fast changes to the manga because a character popular seems crazy .
Is super stupid to consider that the only reason Law is being developed so much is because he's popular, I mean that's the most stupid shit somebody can actually say. I remember a year ago people were bitching about him being the coolest kid with the hax Devil Fruit so he was being hated because of it, but now we have people bitching about Law being important to the plot in general and getting more attention than anyone involved in this arc.
Oda the author who changes his 15+ years of work due to character popularity.
Law's name and past was foreshadowed in 591
http://www.onepiecebay.net/manga/One-Piece/591/6
His connection to Doflamingo was there since his very first appearance because of his jolly roger.
16 char….. Big Hand Tribes?
http://cdn.mangaeden.com/mangasimg/43/439ab1feb446a3c6366d8d34304b6208494212fe548565d81e3651ce.jpg
I am not even sure if we could see Homing as idiot/naive.
The CD are not exactly raised to question their place in the world and to put themselves on other shoes. Since they are born they are educated to believe they are not even humans, but gods. They don't think they are superior to others simply because they have money or anything like that, they think they are completely superior beings altogether.
The simple fact that Homing could deny that is amazing (if we believe he was raised like all the other CD are and how his kids were being). To think that, on top of that, he could predict how the CD are hated by the other humans and that they would be hunted down maybe is a bit too much. They are too alienated from the world for that.
Is super stupid to consider that the only reason Law is being developed so much is because he's popular, I mean that's the most stupid shit somebody can actually say. I remember a year ago people were bitching about him being the coolest kid with the hax Devil Fruit so he was being hated because of it, but now we have people bitching about Law being important to the plot in general and getting more attention than anyone involved in this arc.
Oda the author who changes his 15+ years of work due to character popularity.
Don't take it too deep, some one can be jealous because some Strawhats have less screen time recently.
Law's name and past was foreshadowed in 591
http://www.onepiecebay.net/manga/One-Piece/591/6
His connection to Doflamingo was there since his very first appearance because of his jolly roger.
I know all that, but some people don't know it, so you should remind them and start with Kishido on that.
Homing was a well intentioned, but naive idiot. I feel pity for him more than anything.
Homing was a well intentioned, but naive idiot. I feel pity for him more than anything.
This pretty much.
Great idealistic man in THEORY, but wow he was dumb.
Still more clever than any other CD.
Don't take it too deep, some one can be jealous because some Strawhats have less screen time recently.
Ahh yeah, I got that
Of all the people he gets the D.
If Drake was a D, would his name be XD Drake?
It was pretty clear he was involved with Doflamingo and the Will of D. pre-timeskip.
Second that. If you want to, you could even say that Doflamingos dislike for the D. has always been shown in his jolly roger. Whereas Law was clearly one of those smiling fags.
So their father was a pigeon, and he had a flamingo and a horse? What was the mother's name, Mare?
And man, Corazon is so abused, seeing him with his shirt off. I know he gets battered and all, but a lot of that didn't seem like it had come from his typical issues with basic functionality. Wonder how many of those are from when they were hung from windows, and if not all of them, where the rest came from… and if Doffy's got any matching...
Oh, and the amount of crazy Law's had to put up with from that Family, it's no wonder he doesn't know how to process around Luffy's crew. Too many haunting memories of the insanity!
You know, while I can't say that DD's past really compares to Law's…..............that was way more f**ked up than I imagined; they ate rotting food out of garbage for crap's sake. Seeing that level of descent, I actually feel for DD now. I also hate the Celestial Dragons more now that I know they see themselves as actual freakin' gods. I think Luffy showed Charloss clearly the contrary in that sweet moment oh tooo long ago.
So Law is a D huh? Well, if you predicted it congrats and give yourself a big pat on the back, because I DID NOT see that coming.
But what really piqued my interest was Corazon; what does he know of the Will of D and how does it relate to being negative when it comes to DD. On top of all that, Corazon hid that Law stabbed him, so he looks to be an alright guy. Soooooo many interesting questions.
MMA, Tactical Polar, Grand Tactics
No wonder Law's prepared.
To a fault, means excessively.
Really. It can be easily fit into pattern.
A) Every chapter of One Piece is good. Series as a whole is good, with no faults. Everyone to argue otherwise is automaticaly wrong.
B) Events are to be interpreted in most superficial way possible. Everyone arguing otherwise is wrong.
C) If simple arguing fails, resort to straw man's arguments.
D) If straw man's fails, resort to eristics.
E) Logic has no place in One Piece discussion.
Rinse and repeat, last nine months of that.
You know, there is no need to be so bitchy about people disagreeing with you. Some posters are pretty rude towards you, and you have all the right to be pissed off at them, but to just dismiss the opinions and arguments of King Cannon, Robby, and whoever else has argued with you in the past, as illogical and superficial is….pretty rude. A lot of the responses towards you contain well-thought out, perfectly logical arguments. No one is saying that "Oda can do no wrong" and that "everyone to argue otherwise is automatically wrong",atleast no one that counts. People just dont tend to agree with your opinions specifically, and they have usually reasons for that. But hey, sure, if you want to ignore valid points and instead act like you are the only smart guy in a sea of morons who couldnt analyze a childrens comic book about a guy made of rubber if their life depended on it, go ahead.
Anyway, I wanted to address your points, too. I dont blame you for disliking Doffys dad, I really dont. His choices were questionable, at best. But I think you are simplifying things. You are basically arguing that the family was having a really, really good life, and one day, Homing decided to actively lower the familys living standard. That is true, atleast if you look at things from a materialistic point of view. But you also act as if he willingly put his family in a situation where they would have all starved to death sooner or later. That part is not true. As many people have pointed out, they were not left with nothing, they still had a nice mansion and their wealth. Yes, they wouldnt have been able to live from that forever, it would probably have run out at some point. But you know....there is really no reason to assume that Homing wasnt going to get himself a normal, everyday job to further support his family. After all, he wanted to live like the common man, not like a beggar on the streets. I think it is fair to assume that he wanted to work like the common man at some point, too. So, whats so bad about that? To live like normal people in general? Is that a terrible situation for children to live in? Should we feel sorry for every child that grew up in a normal house or apartment, and whose parents had to work for a living?? Is that really a horrible thing to do as a father?
And on the other side of things, would the life as a young Tenryubito really be the best for a child? Sure, the child could have everything he or she ever wished for, so again, from a materialistic point of view, yep, best life ever! But from a moral point of view? I mean, this very chapter reminded us of the monstrous acts the Tenryubitos are generally capable of. Is it healthy for a child to literally be able to get away with murder? Or slavery or rape or torture? Take a look at this guy:
Would you say he is the result of a healthy upbringing? Would you argue that his dad did a really good job as a parent? Obviously, you wouldnt. So, what Im trying to say here is: the life of a Tenryubito isnt really as awesome as you describe it, because, while you get everything you want, you also turn into a despicable human being. And the life Homing chose for his family isnt really as horrible as you depicted. They wouldnt have lived in poverty and the kids would sooner or later have learned to be morally upstanding, as Homing intended. He made a decision about what was best for his family, something you criticised too, but which is really the job of a good parent. Of course, this does not take into account Homings horrible miscalculation about how their life would turn out. As many have already said, he was incredibly naive and idealistic. It is obvious that he thought he would be a good example to others. Or maybe he didnt even mean to better the world, maybe he really was just looking for simple self-improvement for his family and himself (kinda reminds me of Thoreau deciding to live out in the woods by himself, in tune with nature). Whatever the case may be, he still was too sheltered from the world. He wanted to live with the common man, but he didnt understand him, so he also didnt foresee the natural hatred people would have for the Tenryubitos. Its kinda tragic really. I found that moment when he called back and pleaded to become a Tenryubito again interesting, too. Ive read some posts here pointing at that panel and saying "Well atleast he tried to save his family when he realized their situation" and that is a good point, but I also see this moment as a little pathetic. His idealistic world view just blew up in his face and now he got scared of the real world.
Oh yeah, and sidepoint: I guess we all agree now that the Doflamingo crew is tons of fun and the best pirate crew depicted so far, and that we would all enjoy a spinoff with them? 
I wonder what would happen if an executive officer broke the rule of blood. Like, if Diamante attacked Pica, for example. Rule of blood = obey/respect the executives. But this would be executive on executive. How would Doflamingo react to that, I wonder?
I accept Jesus Burgess as my Lord and Savior 
Perhaps Dofla suffers from Ocular Albinism? It's an inherited disorder associated with photophobia.
Oda may have also cherry-picked parts of the better known condition and given him pink eyes, the colour is associated with flamingos after all.
Have wondered if the Celestial Dragons suffered from inbreeding, Charloss at Saebody seemed to have far more problems than just being spoiled.
Second that. If you want to, you could even say that Doflamingos dislike for the D. has always been shown in his jolly roger. Whereas Law was clearly one of those smiling fags.
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Now this is brilliant! Good work putting those pieces together!
Because he is a D on his mother's side.
Didnt it say Watel was from his mother? Didnt say anything about D
@Medical:
I wonder what would happen if an executive officer broke the rule of blood. Like, if Diamante attacked Pica, for example. Rule of blood = obey/respect the executives. But this would be executive on executive. How would Doflamingo react to that, I wonder?
You've just made Law's actions at Punk Hazard look even colder. Not only did he behead his childhood friends, he did it in a way that mocks the whole rule of blood thing. Hi level button-pushing. No wonder Dofla filled him full of lead.
Ok, I'm just loving the psychological duel between them tge flashbacks are underlining far more than the present day fight.
@Terry:
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MMA, Tactical Polar, Grand Tactics
No wonder Law's prepared.
I wonder if theres a book in there that teaches him to still be able to fight after full blight, bullet threads, 3 bullet wounds, kicks to the Jaw, kicked around in the air.
Might be a book on HOW-TO-ENSURE-YOUR-LIMITED-STAMINA-NEVER-RUNS-OUT
Am I the only one who saw Law being a D coming from a mile away?
In violently vociferating you violate your virility with vacuous vanity, vanguard of vileness. I visit my vengeance by vindictively vacating my vapours on your visage.
Originally posted by UssopSpell.
Don't take it too deep, some one can be jealous because some Strawhats have less screen time recently.
Is it because of Sanji?, I thought they were butthurting because they know Doula is losing at him by the end of this arc.
Second that. If you want to, you could even say that Doflamingos dislike for the D. has always been shown in his jolly roger. Whereas Law was clearly one of those smiling fags.
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That is so cool I hope it's true.
@Terry:
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MMA, Tactical Polar, Grand Tactics
No wonder Law's prepared.
One of the books says MMA. Mixed martial arts?
Is Donquixote Homing a candidate for the most handsome CD yet? By that I mean the least inbred? Their bloodline seems unique in that they don't possess the same mutant features we've come to associate the CDs with. Perhaps that's why he was the only one sane enough to realize how messed up CD society's god complex was.
Also, did we just get a flashback within a flashback? Is this the first time Oda attempted this? Probably not.
You know, there is no need to be so bitchy about people disagreeing with you. Some posters are pretty rude towards you, and you have all the right to be pissed off at them, but to just dismiss the opinions and arguments of King Cannon, Robby, and whoever else has argued with you in the past, as illogical and superficial is….pretty rude.
Because most fall into either of those two categories, sorry to say. When I see arguments that I value, I say so. And, mind you, I agree with people who argue well.
A lot of the responses towards you contain well-thought out, perfectly logical arguments.
That isn't actually true. Unless you are speaking of different logic than one I've been taught.
No one is saying that "Oda can do no wrong" and that "everyone to argue otherwise is automatically wrong",atleast no one that counts.
But the thought is very clearly present in almost everyone I have ever argued with.
People just don`t tend to agree with your opinions specifically, and they have usually reasons for that.
I don't have problems with people disagreeing with me, just with the way they do so.
But hey, sure, if you want to ignore valid points and instead act like you are the only smart guy in a sea of morons who couldn`t analyze a childrens comic book about a guy made of rubber if their life depended on it, go ahead.
I would not say that. I would say however that any opinion different from established canon of fandom is met with scorn, regardless of it's validity. I'm hardly the only one to experience it.
But I think you are simplifying things. You are basically arguing that the family was having a really, really good life, and one day, Homing decided to actively lower the family
s living standard. That is true, atleast if you look at things from a materialistic point of view. But you also act as if he willingly put his family in a situation where they would have all starved to death sooner or later. That part is not true. As many people have pointed out, they were not left with nothing, they still had a nice mansion and their wealth. Yes, they wouldnt have been able to live from that forever, it would probably have run out at some point. But you know….there is really no reason to assume that Homing wasn`t going to get himself a normal, everyday job to further support his family. After all, he wanted to live like the common man, not like a beggar on the streets. I think it is fair to assume that he wanted to work like the common man at some point, too. So, whats so bad about that? To live like normal people in general? Is that a terrible situation for children to live in? Should we feel sorry for every child that grew up in a normal house or apartment, and whose parents had to work for a living?? Is that really a horrible thing to do as a father?
It's not, actually. See, it has been shown very clearly, that he has no idea what real live entails. And for that matter, he did not work one day of his life thus far, if any other Celestial Dragons and their history are anything to go by, has been given everything he ever needed. Does he have skills to take a job upon himself? Does he posses ability to actually work in a profession that would allow him to support a family of four. Occam's Razor, we can assume he does not.
And their income is not even the biggest problem.
And on the other side of things, would the life as a young Tenryubito really be the best for a child? Sure, the child could have everything he or she ever wished for, so again, from a materialistic point of view, yep, best life ever! But from a moral point of view? I mean, this very chapter reminded us of the monstrous acts the Tenryubitos are generally capable of. Is it healthy for a child to literally be able to get away with murder? Or slavery or rape or torture? Take a look at this guy:
Again I ask: Why did he waited until damage was partialy done? He had specificaly delayed his leave until Doffy already has tasted said acts. If this was truly his motivation, then he had failed.
He faces accusation that he was always different, yet his sons fits perfectly into Celestial Dragons standarts.
Would you say he is the result of a healthy upbringing? Would you argue that his dad did a really good job as a parent? Obviously, you wouldn
t. So, what Im trying to say here is: the life of a Tenryubito isnt really as awesome as you describe it, because, while you get everything you want, you also turn into a despicable human being. And the life Homing chose for his family isnt really as horrible as you depicted. They wouldn`t have lived in poverty and the kids would sooner or later have learned to be morally upstanding, as Homing intended. He made a decision about what was best for his family, something you criticised too, but which is really the job of a good parent.
See, and that's why I say you are not logical. You are coming here, and you give a logical absolute: Every Celestial Dragon turns into despicable human being. And here is a thing: You are making this logical absolute false in the very same paragraph, by saying that Homing was intending for his kids to be morally upstanding. Than, by extension, he must have been morally upstanding. And by extension of that, morally upstanding Celestial Dragon can exist, and him taking his childs away served no purpoes.
And again, Occam's Razor tells that it is more possbile for Homing's father to be morally despicable than not. Thus, we can assume it is possible for Celestial Dragon to develop morality on their own accord. Yet more reasons as to why Homing did not needed to leave solely to teach his kids morality.
Of course, this does not take into account Homings horrible miscalculation about how their life would turn out. As many have already said, he was incredibly naive and idealistic. It is obvious that he thought he would be a good example to others. Or maybe he didn
t even mean to better the world, maybe he really was just looking for simple self-improvement for his family and himself (kinda reminds me of Thoreau deciding to live out in the woods by himself, in tune with nature). Whatever the case may be, he still was too sheltered from the world. He wanted to live with the common man, but he didnt understand him, so he also didnt foresee the natural hatred people would have for the Tenryubitos. Its kinda tragic really. I found that moment when he called back and pleaded to become a Tenryubito again interesting, too. I`ve read some posts here pointing at that panel and saying "Well atleast he tried to save his family when he realized their situation" and that is a good point, but I also see this moment as a little pathetic. His idealistic world view just blew up in his face and now he got scared of the real world.
I'd say he had ways to learn about that one. Starting with simple logic.
It works well within the story, but don't ask of me to like the guy.
Oh yeah, and sidepoint: I guess we all agree now that the Doflamingo crew is tons of fun and the best pirate crew depicted so far, and that we would all enjoy a spinoff with them?
I want my Marine spinoff first. :ninja: But yes, they are fun.
Wartel kinda sounds like Martell
Someone needs a helmet:ninja:
Darths replys doe
I wonder, if we´ll see a meeting of Doffy and Kaidou in this Flashback. Or one of his Big shots. I hope this Flashback wont end in 2 or 3 Chapters. Its absolutely great.
I think that Homing Pigeon allowed Flamingo to kill him.
Reason being because his father was so upset that his sons were being treated like so. He told Dofla to bring his head to Mariejois. Flamingo didnt think twice.
But it failed.
I find it so funny that Corazon is actually named Donquixote Rocinante… I can't take it seriously.
Sixteen chars of I what now?
I opened up the last page and tthere were 10 replys by you. I was like holy..
Ho-leee shit.
That's the best chapter I read in a while. It's great to see Dofla pirates' path. Oda has done an awesome job without wasting too much time. You see them in different situations, acting like themselves, without so much as a text bubble. Less is more.
Also, Dofla's ship looks really fabulous.
Also, never expected D would just pop out in a casual conversation like that. Did not see that coming.
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