It's only like this in the anime , isn't it ?
I consider the octupus who couldn't kill Zoro's boredom of that in the manga.
It's only like this in the anime , isn't it ?
I consider the octupus who couldn't kill Zoro's boredom of that in the manga.
Well I guess it comes down on how you see it. Either you see it as doffys was over hyped or his hyped died from that attack or you see it as a sign that the two years training weren't for nothing and luffy can finally do something against big new world names without inventing or use some new next teir attack "mode" on the brink of death attack. Keep in mind he did not manage to land this hit by himself but needed help from the uber hax hax fruit.
Just my two cents
@Monkey:
http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/759/15 < well I don't see any trace of hardened haki on dofla's belly
It doesn't even look like Luffy's punch went through his abs. Except for shockwave of course, but I don't think that would do any significiant damage.
I more troubled by how casually people keep up with gear second speed.
I'm disturbed by that. But in general Luffy goes limb-gears compared to whole-body stuff. There should be a difference. Compared to speed he featured against Smoker that punches got blocked seem a joke drawing-wise. I for myself think very highly for Luffy in Gear 2nd.
There is nothing wrong but Doffy eating that punch. As much as he is a NW veteran he is up against very talented two people. They were planning it and calculated to moves in a way that wouldn't give him a chance to react. That's it. The fact that there are two or several panels, even pages doesn't mean anything.
Regarding to mechanics of CoO we don't know much about it so far. But I think reading someone's movements who doesn't have a clue in CoO shouldn't be as easy with a trained CoO user. Plus CoO or not Law and Luffy aren't morons either.
I'm well aware. However, if that rule applies then Luffy outclasses Mingo far too much… thus killing hype further.
Doffy has ridiculous DF and Luffy has speed and power. Luffy will win because he has more tenacity, Luffy have surpass all his opponents because his tenacity is always higher than them.
I consider the octupus who couldn't kill Zoro's boredom of that in the manga.
I just re-read chapters 609 and 610. The octupus did nothing related to speed.
I just re-read chapters 609 and 610. The octupus did nothing related to speed.
I guess he means how he managed to poison Luffy while getting blown away.
Fishmen are supposed to be a lot stronger than normal humans. And there are bound to be characters with superior reflexes, strength and speed, such as Lucci, for example.
And Luffy isn't even at his peak. We're talking about a 17 year old. It's not like there isn't space for improvement. I know it's shounen, but imagine Luffy with 25 should he keep up living like this.
I guess he means how he managed to poison Luffy while getting blown away.
Fishmen are supposed to be a lot stronger than normal humans. And there are bound to be characters with superior reflexes, strength and speed, such as Lucci, for example.
And Luffy isn't even at his peak. We're talking about a 17 year old. It's not like there isn't space for improvement. I know it's shounen, but imagine Luffy with 25 should he keep up living like this.
He says "accidentally poisoned". I always assumed Luffy got poisoned simply by touching his skin with the Jet Pistol.
He says "accidentally poisoned". I always assumed Luffy got poisoned simply by touching his skin with the Jet Pistol.
I remember there were 2 translations. One that it was an accident and one that he did it as a defensive instinct, something like that. Still, the panel shows that he blocked the punch with his scabbard. Which means he was fast enough to at least react to the punch.
What Were you expecting their "secret Plan" to be? Probably some Codegeas type of shit.
Well, I expect(ed) it to be anything but a plan to land a single hit. So what now, they are gonna be making one secret plan for each hit until they defeat him? And I don't watch Code Geass so I don't know what you meant by that.
Single hit on a stomach that explodes through your back? Good enough.
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What Were you expecting their "secret Plan" to be? Probably some Codegeas type of shit.
LoL The political aspects of CodeGeass were kind of clever. The twists allowed by Lelouch's power were also nice.
But Lelouch's strategy for every fight was basically to go all out. Well at least that's how I remember it. Maybe I should rewatch it.
@Myu:
Single hit on a stomach that explodes through your back? Good enough.
This is New World. Where old, sick man with numerous wounds survive getting half of their heads torn by magma claws. I think Doffy will be fine… :ninja:
Well, I expect(ed) it to be anything but a plan to land a single hit. So what now, they are gonna be making one secret plan for each hit until they defeat him? And I don't watch Code Geass so I don't know what you meant by that.
One hit makes a big difference and this one hit is the one hit that will set Dofla out of his manipulative character
Well I guess it comes down on how you see it. Either you see it as doffys was over hyped or his hyped died from that attack or you see it as a sign that the two years training weren't for nothing and luffy can finally do something against big new world names without inventing or use some new next teir attack "mode" on the brink of death attack. Keep in mind he did not manage to land this hit by himself but needed help from the uber hax hax fruit.
Just my two cents
People always rush to conclusion based on one chapter, as if it happens in some form of vacuum. That is kinda annoying. Dofla got hit pretty hard by Luffy for some reason. Does it really have to be overanalyzed this way? I mean, sometimes fighters best their superiors. Except for fodder battles, there is always a chance that your opponent will hurt you, even if you are stronger.
It doesn't have to be viewed in the dichotomy off ''he was overhyped/dehyped after the punch''. Especially since the battle is far from over.
Damn it Luffy ! He clearly didn't follow Law's plan…he was suppose to hit lower....then it woukd have been game over :( No amount of string could put Humpty Dumpty together again....sigh XD
This is New World. Where old, sick man with numerous wounds survive getting half of their heads torn by magma claws. I think Doffy will be fine… :ninja:
Whitebeard's beastness doesn't require more than half a brain.
Damn it Luffy ! He clearly didn't follow Law's plan…he was suppose to hit lower....then it woukd have been game over :( No amount of string could put Humpty Dumpty together again....sigh XD
That was already done it with Buggy. Luffy follows the Gentleman Code now.
So normal Haki is just for peasants now?
It's not like we haven't seen Haki being used without blackening post timeskip.
Just saying, he could have protected himself. If I remember well, Luffy used Haki to protect himself from Hody's bite, but he couldn't protect from all the damage.
I wouldn't say that it's just for peasant, but if you can choose, it's better to defend oneself with the best protection.
And yeah Haki is like an armor, and like every armor, it can be "destroyed" with enough power
That's another thing altogether.
The amount of people WITHOUT any kind of haki, or Doflamingo's level of hype that blocked Gear Second attacks just serves to rub it in.
You know Doula Mongo has defended against Gear 2nd twice, right?
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... Okay, I will give you that.But I still think he should be capable of at least trying to block it. This is not a hit from Kizaru. Gear Second is quick, but CoO should provide a counter to that speed at least partialy.
Its the same as when the Gorgon sisters fought Luffy. He's just fast.
@Monkey:
I wouldn't say that it's just for peasant, but if you can choose, it's better to defend oneself with the best protection.
And yeah Haki is like an armor, and like every armor, it can be "destroyed" with enough power
This sounds like something that would be said to Erza before she pop ''Nakama power''.
You know Doula Mongo has defended against Gear 2nd twice, right?
Which again begs the question why didn't he reacted in any other way except for turning.
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It's not his fault. His brain was melt by Akame Ga Kill lately. But holy LoL! Was he serious !?
Which again begs the question why didn't he reacted in any other way except for turning.
Different situations. Luffy was already at the middle of his attack in this case.
Honestly, this whole thing is being overanalyzed. If decently fast and strong characters used CoO all the time, we would eventually get fights where it's nothing but an endless loop of missed attacks.
So, unless CoO is an essential part of the character's fighting style (Rebecca, Enel) or Oda specifically mentions that it's being used, I don't think it should matter whether they used it or not when getting hit.
Like always, seems people are overthinking the fight.
As far as the story goes, Doflamingo got punched by Luffy in a surprise attack, since his concentration was focused on controlling Bellamy and watching Luffy attack Law. If he had time to armament up, he would have time to block or evade. He was blindsided and took the full hit. It's not like it'll be enough to take him down, but it's a total surprise just like the time Hody gets hit by Red Hawk underwater.
Doflamingo is no longer untouchable since chapter 729. Who reads with carefully knows that.
Poor Oda…
The powerful blow that causes the villain to get serious is a staple of One Piece. Crocodile, Enel, Lucci, etc. all had a big panel of a painful strike like this. If anything, the fact that the opening blow was a presumed finishing move two arcs ago should speak to the strength of Doflamingo. Plus, he even tried to react to it, unlike Enel or "a-blow-from-a-bountyless-crewmember-nearly-broke-my-tekkai-but-i-can-totally-tank-a-hit-from-the-superpowered-captain" Blueno. This is hype for the crazy battle we'll be seeing in a few chapters, not an indictment of Doflamingo's strength.
Let's break it down: Luffy starts to attack Law. Trebol guffaws like an idiot but Mingo knows something's up. Law activates Room. In the half second before Law uses Shambles, Doflamingo figures out their plan. "Shit!" He knows he'll be hit but he doesn't know where. Law and Mingo swap. Now he's facing the wrong way, slightly disoriented from the switch, and still doesn't know where Luffy's punch is coming from or where exactly it will land. Milliseconds before it hits he turns to counter or guard but can't do anything in time.
To sum up, in the space of a second Doflamingo quickly understands what's happening, gets disoriented by Law's hax power, but is still fast enough to try and react before getting hit by one of Luffy's strongest known attacks. This should NOT diminish him in any way.
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So, what's this stuff about people guessing Blackbeard clawed on the ship, because he once scarred Shanks?
What… how... what?
It's funny that when Doflamingo gets hit by Luffy, the guys that were putting him at a godlike level begin to think that he's weak, instead of accepting that Luffy is strong.
But this happens all the time.
Well i dont think Doffy is weak for a bit or that Luffy was not strong at all.
It was a strong attack which most people have one. But it could not have been done without Law. Law gave Luffy a free hit lol.
It was done in a fashion that didnt make Doffy look weak, take a big hit as a wake up call.
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The powerful blow that causes the villain to get serious is a staple of One Piece. Crocodile, Enel, Lucci, etc. all had a big panel of a painful strike like this. If anything, the fact that the opening blow was a presumed finishing move two arcs ago should speak to the strength of Doflamingo. Plus, he even tried to react to it, unlike Enel or "a-blow-from-a-bountyless-crewmember-nearly-broke-my-tekkai-but-i-can-totally-tank-a-hit-from-the-superpowered-captain" Blueno. This is hype for the crazy battle we'll be seeing in a few chapters, not an indictment of Doflamingo's strength.
Let's break it down: Luffy starts to attack Law. Trebol guffaws like an idiot but Mingo knows something's up. Law activates Room. In the half second before Law uses Shambles, Doflamingo figures out their plan. "Shit!" He knows he'll be hit but he doesn't know where. Law and Mingo swap. Now he's facing the wrong way, slightly disoriented from the switch, and still doesn't know where Luffy's punch is coming from or where exactly it will land. Milliseconds before it hits he turns to counter or guard but can't do anything in time.
To sum up, in the space of a second Doflamingo quickly understands what's happening, gets disoriented by Law's hax power, but is still fast enough to try and react before getting hit by one of Luffy's strongest known attacks. This should NOT diminish him in any way.
Yay someone gets it.
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Lol at tthe photoshopped blood on the thumbnail. I cam see Sanji in the glasses
I just re-read chapters 609 and 610. The octupus did nothing related to speed.
I not only blocked but also poisoned Luffy via gear 2nd pistol. Thus he was able to gear 2nd Luffy.
LoL The political aspects of CodeGeass were kind of clever. The twists allowed by Lelouch's power were also nice.
But Lelouch's strategy for every fight was basically to go all out. Well at least that's how I remember it. Maybe I should rewatch it.
Yeah, those strategies weren't god like, but he planned his moves like a badass and used his power to the fullest, I should have use L as a reference though
It's not his fault. His brain was melt by Akame Ga Kill lately. But holy LoL! Was he serious !?
So, what's this stuff about people guessing Blackbeard clawed on the ship, because he once scarred Shanks?
What… how... what?
Ahhh people just DM him those crazy theories and I wouldn't be surprise If somebody showed up in here and post the same thing, but since he said it on his review must mean that He consider it or nah
Which again begs the question why didn't he reacted in any other way except for turning.
How confused would you be if you instantly got teleported somewhere and see a RedHawk right at you, no time to react? Cut some slack. He would be disoriented.
Geez 5 pages and still no proper answer.
"Intention" if you're talking about CoO in combat, at the very least, remember that word. Now ask yourself "does Trebol has CoO?" Now look at that scene again - cause he just served to describe what Luffy INTENDED to do. What Luffy and Law did is exactly for the sole purpose of getting a hit in, but Doflamingo still knew something was up. Honestly if you don't take this extreme measure (teleportation, switching places with a prepared attack) as a legitimate hit and go so far as say it de-hypes the villain, do yourself and me a favor and stop reading.
Plus, he even tried to react to it, unlike Enel or "a-blow-from-a-bountyless-crewmember-nearly-broke-my-tekkai-but-i-can-totally-tank-a-hit-from-the-superpowered-captain" Blueno
Enel when he was finally hit a bunch of times that he couldn't move or when he realized Luffy's attack was too fast in the end? Blueno was screwed either way, I'm pretty sure even he knew that. If anything I commend him for taking the hit.. did you not see his smirk at the end?
Hyouzou reacted to Jet Pistols that was hit two other guys, reaction =/= strength and he's still the greatest swordsman in FI, seriously what the hell do you guys even wanna prove by bringing him up? Zoro was cutting all his swords either way so even if he could react, there was no way to win over Zoro other than poison…
Sigh.
Hyouzou reacted to Jet Pistols that was hit two other guys, reaction =/= strength and he's still the greatest swordsman in FI, seriously what the hell do you guys even wanna prove by bringing him up? Zoro was cutting all his swords either way so even if he could react, there was no way to win over Zoro other than poison…
Since I was pointing that even people way weaker to Luffy can react 2 gear second now I can't see what I did wrong by mentioning Hyouzou.
Since I was pointing that even people way weaker to Luffy can react 2 gear second now I can't see what I did wrong by mentioning Hyouzou.
You did nothing wrong.
Just gives the wrong impression when people don't explain themselves.
…which is a big problem in forums.
- Also guys, I'd really appreciate it if you guys try to not debase other scenes in the manga to prove a point.
Enel when he was finally hit a bunch of times that he couldn't move or when he realized Luffy's attack was too fast in the end? Blueno was screwed either way, I'm pretty sure even he knew that. If anything I commend him for taking the hit.. did you not see his smirk at the end?
I'd really appreciate it if you weren't so condescending.
I'm not debasing anything. The scene with Enel that I'm referring to is the one where he's first hit by Luffy. He stands there expecting the kick to go through him because he doesn't know Luffy's ability. As for Blueno, it wasn't the best example but he's part of an annoying trend of villains trying unsuccessfully to tank attacks. The overall point I'm trying to make is that Doflamingo is aware of Luffy's power and usually treats him accordingly.
And while reaction doesn't equal strength, the two do have a correlation. Oda uses a character's ability to react to a fast attack as a way to distinguish them from other slower characters. In Hyouzou's case it didn't make a difference in the end, but it's one small way of adding a little bit of hype to a character.
I'd really appreciate it if you weren't so condescending.
Heh. Don't worry my sighs are actually targeted towards my attitude more than you guys. I can't help it since a lot of you guys do make it easy.
I'm not debasing anything. The scene with Enel that I'm referring to is the one where he's first hit by Luffy. He stands there expecting the kick to go through him because he doesn't know Luffy's ability. As for Blueno, it wasn't the best example but he's part of an annoying trend of villains trying unsuccessfully to tank attacks. The overall point I'm trying to make is that Doflamingo is aware of Luffy's power and usually treats him accordingly.
And while reaction doesn't equal strength, the two do have a correlation. Oda uses a character's ability to react to a fast attack as a way to distinguish them from other slower characters. In Hyouzou's case it didn't make a difference in the end, but it's one small way of adding a little bit of hype to a character.
So you corrected yourself? Well that's all I ask. Thank you.
But doesn't Doflamingo pay more attention to Law than he does with Luffy?
Well I guess, this would be what you call a "wake up call" though.
Speaking of cover story, what the hell is going on there anyway?
While it's always possible the perp is someone we don't even know, I'm more inclined to believe it's not like that.
Also, the perp that cut the house up and the perp that wrecked the ship might not even be the same person/animal.
Anyway, here's the theory. It's Sangoro (the third samurai). He got into a trouble when a sea monster attacked him, so now they are fighting throughout the area. Sangoro is the one that cut the house, and the monster is the one that wrecked the ship. Don't ask me for the details, I'm just brainstorming here. If it is true, Sangoro will explain what happened in flashback, on the cover or in manga. Maybe he has some kind of ability which allows him to fight underwater or something, I don't know.
Good side of this would be that there won't be too much time spent looking for Sangoro.
Bad side would be that we'd have another miraculous coincidence with samurai. Plus, Oda can always find a way to bring Sangoro in.
Anyway, I don't really think this is true. Hopefully next chapter gives us more material.
So you corrected yourself? Well that's all I ask. Thank you.
But doesn't Doflamingo pay more attention to Law than he does with Luffy?
Well I guess, this would be what you call a "wake up call" though.
More like clarifying.
Doflamingo is aware that Luffy is quite strong. I'm not sure who he considers the bigger threat, but he naturally focuses on Law more because the two have history.
I'm thinking his gut feeling might be to worry a bit more about Luffy now
Anyway, here's the theory. It's Sangoro (the third samurai). He got into a trouble when a sea monster attacked him, so now they are fighting throughout the area. Sangoro is the one that cut the house, and the monster is the one that wrecked the ship. Don't ask me for the details, I'm just brainstorming here. If it is true, Sangoro will explain what happened in flashback, on the cover or in manga. Maybe he has some kind of ability which allows him to fight underwater or something, I don't know.
More quirky samurai are always appreciated!
Geez 5 pages and still no proper answer.
- Darth, don't ask for something if you don't know how it works.
"Intention" if you're talking about CoO in combat, at the very least, remember that word. Now ask yourself "does Trebol has CoO?" Now look at that scene again - cause he just served to describe what Luffy INTENDED to do. What Luffy and Law did is exactly for the sole purpose of getting a hit in, but Doflamingo still knew something was up. Honestly if you don't take this extreme measure (teleportation, switching places with a prepared attack) as a legitimate hit and go so far as say it de-hypes the villain, do yourself and me a favor and stop reading.
A) Lose that tone, would you? It makes you sound like a condescending, overbearing asshole.
B) The moment their places are switched, Luffy's intention is to hit Doflamingo, not Law.
C) There are still legit, easy counters to that.
D) There was little hype left for Doflamingo to begin with.
E) Your lack of ability to acknowledge existence of subjective opinions is neither my concern, nor a legitimate reason to stop reading the manga.
I kinda feel bad for the fanboys who couldn't enjoy the hype of this chapter for fanboying too much over someone who's getting his butt kicked in no time.
So, what's this stuff about people guessing Blackbeard clawed on the ship, because he once scarred Shanks?
What… how... what?
People are putting up this whole train off thoughts that is very common amongst those who believe in conspiracy theories. They find one fact, then develop an entire pattern based on very bad evidence.
The moment their places are switched, Luffy's intention is to hit Doflamingo, not Law.
Don't you think that things went really fast after Dofla realized what was really going on, I mean this thing took seconds at best and it seems that Dofla was able to turn in order to guard the attack but he didn't have enough time so he got hit so hard that his Mother probably felt it in hell
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People are putting up this whole train off thoughts that is very common amongst those who believe in conspiracy theories. They find one fact, then develop an entire pattern based on very bad evidence.
Whose that nigga in your signature?
Don't you think that things went really fast after Dofla realized what was really going on, I mean this thing took seconds at best and it seems that Dofla was able to turn in order to guard the attack but he didn't have enough time so he got hit so hard that his Mother probably felt it in hell
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Whose that nigga in your signature?
Can't you see it's Lil Reese? :o It even says so
Can't you see it's Lil Reese? :o It even says so
Wait, so are you telling me that this is actually stage name, If he's a rapper of course. Ohh god where did you fail
Edit: Yeap it is, god you fail once again
Don't you think that things went really fast after Dofla realized what was really going on, I mean this thing took seconds at best and it seems that Dofla was able to turn in order to guard the attack but he didn't have enough time so he got hit so hard that his Mother probably felt it in hell
I'm Dofla's mom is in heaven.