That REDHAWK may send Doffy all the way to where Sabo/Zoro is, unless he uses his threads and stops midway, but damn that's gonna hurt….Bad! :D It would be nice if he got 1hkkoed :P lol even Yonkos and Admiral will have a hard time against this duo.
Chapter 759: Secret Plan
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That REDHAWK may send Doffy all the way to where Sabo/Zoro is, unless he uses his threads and stops midway, but damn that's gonna hurt….Bad! :D It would be nice if he got 1hkkoed :P lol even Yonkos and Admiral will have a hard time against this duo.
Will be interesting to see the effect it has on Doffy, we wont get a 1hKO but it will have wiped the smile off his face.
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This fight still goes away, as well as the entire arc. We will see the Law suffer and Luffy fight alone against Doflamingo. Yes this is the most interesting fight.
Be calm.
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It's funny that when Doflamingo gets hit by Luffy, the guys that were putting him at a godlike level begin to think that he's weak, instead of accepting that Luffy is strong.
But this happens all the time.
Well, I could honestly see people thinking that.
Not because I support either side, but because of how Doflamingo reacts to the attack itself.
Namely that he doesn't.
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It was nice to see Doflamingos eyes(at least super tiny bit of them).
Even with his smug smile I expect his eyes to be eyes of sad/broken person.
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Well, I could honestly see people thinking that.
Not because I support either side, but because of how Doflamingo reacts to the attack itself.
Namely that he doesn't.
How do you expect him to react? That attack is a very powerful attack and Mingo didn't protect himself with Haki.
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How do you expect him to react? That attack is a very powerful attack and Mingo didn't protect himself with Haki.
He should at least try to block it. Make some moves towards that effect? He has shown to have an excellent reaction time thus far, including blocking a suprise hit from Sanji. And for some reason, all he can do is just stand there.
Power has nothing to do with it.
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It's funny that when Doflamingo gets hit by Luffy, the guys that were putting him at a godlike level begin to think that he's weak, instead of accepting that Luffy is strong.
But this happens all the time.
They will never accept Luffy is strong because he doesn't have a ridiculous DF or body frame.
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He should at least try to block it. Make some moves towards that effect? He has shown to have an excellent reaction time thus far, including blocking a suprise hit from Sanji. And for some reason, all he can do is just stand there.
Power has nothing to do with it.
All you should have said is you don't understand those panels. Everything on that page was instant, he was teleported to Luffy. He had no chance. LOL, he saw Sanji coming from a mile away.
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He should at least try to block it. Make some moves towards that effect? He has shown to have an excellent reaction time thus far, including blocking a suprise hit from Sanji. And for some reason, all he can do is just stand there.
Power has nothing to do with it.
Sanji actually called for Doula's attention.
It wasn't "surprise".
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All you should have said is you don't understand those panels. Everything on that page was instant, he was teleported to Luffy. He had no chance. LOL, he saw Sanji coming from a mile away.
And that's what CoO is for.
Also, thank you for being for being condescendin. Still doesn't justify Doffy not even trying to do anything, especially since he caught on their plan.
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He should at least try to block it. Make some moves towards that effect? He has shown to have an excellent reaction time thus far, including blocking a suprise hit from Sanji. And for some reason, all he can do is just stand there.
Power has nothing to do with it.
Well Sanji still had to run from the island to the ship, Doffy would have plenty of time to sense him coming somewhat. Luffy's attack come out of nowhere. If we assume Law only switched with Doffy just at the moment before impact, he would have very little time to react. Also from the positions, it looks like Law switched when Luffy was coming at him from the side, when switched Doffy was facing away from luffy too. At the impact he is facing luffy though. It looks like he tried to turn to face luffy or block it, but it was too late and was hit head on.
idk, maybe Doffy is a little slow on the take on Room stuff. When Law switched him to save Sanji he didn't notice either. I doubt he'll fall for it a third time though.
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Sanji actually called for Doula's attention.
It wasn't "surprise".
Neither was this one, since Doffy realised what they were doing.
Not saying he should have blocked it, but at least some movement towards that. Action, of any kind.
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Neither was this one, since Doffy realised what they were doing.
Not saying he should have blocked it, but at least some movement towards that. Action, of any kind.
Well he turned towards Luffy before he got hit. Does that count? :p
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You know, just because manga isn't an animated medium, it doesn't mean that what's shown in the panels is happening slowly.
The whole sequence of Law creating Room, Doula realizing what was going on, Law using Shambles and Luffy hitting with Red Hawk could have taken just 1-2 seconds.
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Yes, Luffy is definitely too stupid to pretend all that. He never did know how to pretend to do something he can't or to be something he isn't. He has always been himself. So it definitely wasn't a show for DD. The only other explanation is like King Cannon said that Luffy just started it when Law didn't want to (but he was waiting for what to happen before they would attack DD, get rid of Trebol?).
I'm still thinking or at least hoping that wasn't the plan because I guess I expected more from some "secret plan" (if they need a fricking secret plan just to manage to successfully land a hit on DD then they are screwed and we all know that DD is going down in this arc so what's gonna take to achieve that?). We'll see in the next few chapters if there is more to this plan or not and I seriously hope that there is.
What Were you expecting their "secret Plan" to be? Probably some Codegeas type of shit.
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Well he turned towards Luffy before he got hit. Does that count? :p
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... Okay, I will give you that.But I still think he should be capable of at least trying to block it. This is not a hit from Kizaru. Gear Second is quick, but CoO should provide a counter to that speed at least partialy.
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... Okay, I will give you that.But I still think he should be capable of at least trying to block it. This is not a hit from Kizaru. Gear Second is quick, but CoO should provide a counter to that speed at least partialy.
But how would CoO work though? Luffy wasn't aiming at him, and Law didn't attack him.
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But how would CoO work though? Luffy wasn't aiming at him, and Law didn't attack him.
Helping to adjust to the sudden situation of being in immediate danger of being hit. For example.
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Helping to adjust to the sudden situation of being in immediate danger of being hit. For example.
Guess he just wasn't fast enough to defend. Red Hawk isn't a slow move.
Like I said, the whole sequence could have taken less than a second. I mean, look at how close Luffy is from Law before Law uses Shambles.
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I guess being teleported against your will can desorientate you for a few seconds
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Guess he just wasn't fast enough to defend. Red Hawk isn't a slow move.
Like I said, the whole sequence could have taken less than a second. I mean, look at how close Luffy is from Law before Law uses Shambles.
Yes, I'm quite capable of following pictures.
I personaly see little problem with it, I was never a Doflamingo's fanboy, and the arguments how strong he is baffle me.
Nevertheless is quite saddening to see him incapable of action like that. Just another piece of hype to write off.
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Neither was this one, since Doffy realised what they were doing.
Not saying he should have blocked it, but at least some movement towards that. Action, of any kind.
It was a surprise, he knew something was up but he didn't know what it was. Luffy punch was directed towards Law, even if he's using COO, he will only sense it towards law. Mingo's only way out was to leave the ROOM but then again, shambles is an instant move, no time at all.
Honestly, I give MIngo props for knowing something was up. The idiot standing next to him was laughing and really thought Luffy was going for Law.
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I guess being teleported against your will can desorientate you for a few seconds
Even if you know you are about to get teleported?
You know, I hate when New World Veterans with decades of fighting knowledge fall for such basic plots.
It's the end of Coloseum all over again.
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Nevertheless is quite saddening to see him incapable of action like that. Just another piece of hype to write off.
Why would you write him off? He's clearly not done yet.
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... Okay, I will give you that.But I still think he should be capable of at least trying to block it. This is not a hit from Kizaru. Gear Second is quick, but CoO should provide a counter to that speed at least partialy.
teleportation > light speed .. just saying
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Why would you write him off? He's clearly not done yet.
I'm not writing Doflamingo off, I'm one of the people arguing that he will beat Luffy, remember?
No, that's not it. It's the fact that the blow was dealt in such decisive manner is what kills the hype. In the end, Doflamingo is just as every other villain of One Piece. Nothing special about him, except maybe his birth.
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teleportation > light speed .. just saying
he did use CoO imo , it was simply too late that he realized what's happening that he couldn't reactNever said that. I said light speed > gear second.
Also, another point towards CoO being useless unless used against or by ranged fighters.
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Even if you know you are about to get teleported?
You know, I hate when New World Veterans with decades of fighting knowledge fall for such basic plots.
It's the end of Coloseum all over again.
We got the same kind of ending panel with Hawk Rifle against Chinjao. Next chapter he was totally OK.
Obviously this Red Hawk was a success. But Doffy might just withstand it, like a shark under steroids.
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Even though people have said many times in the past Mingo will be destroyed because Luffy is faster and has more attack power…............... Sigh.
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We got the same kind of ending panel with Hawk Rifle against Chinjao. Next chapter he was totally OK.
Obviously this Red Hawk was a success. But Doffy might just withstand it, like a shark under steroids.
Which will be a testament to his strength. Hopefully fanboys and fangirls can be happy.
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... Okay, I will give you that.But I still think he should be capable of at least trying to block it. This is not a hit from Kizaru. Gear Second is quick, but CoO should provide a counter to that speed at least partialy.
Well this is why Luffy is using upgraded Bullet rather than upgraded Pistol, right? It's always been a quick-hitting attack that's hard to dodge. Combine that with Doflamingo being swapped in front of it at pretty much the last moment while facing the opposite direction to before (that must be disorienting), and he really has no chance.
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We got the same kind of ending panel with Hawk Rifle against Chinjao. Next chapter he was totally OK.
Obviously this Red Hawk was a success. But Doffy might just withstand it, like a shark under steroids.
Was Hawk Rifle with flames though? I can't remember.
And of course he will be okay afterwards. That goes without saying.
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Never said that. I said light speed > gear second.
Also, another point towards CoO being useless unless used against or by ranged fighters.
The relationship between CoO and speed was well covered in Isle of women.
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He should at least try to block it. Make some moves towards that effect? He has shown to have an excellent reaction time thus far, including blocking a suprise hit from Sanji. And for some reason, all he can do is just stand there.
Power has nothing to do with it.
The blond air was noticed beforehand and was shouting on his way I think.
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He should at least try to block it. Make some moves towards that effect? He has shown to have an excellent reaction time thus far, including blocking a suprise hit from Sanji. And for some reason, all he can do is just stand there.
Power has nothing to do with it.
I think escaping scalpel while doing a combo is more appropriate.
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The relationship between CoO and speed was well covered in Isle of women.
I'm well aware. However, if that rule applies then Luffy outclasses Mingo far too much… thus killing hype further.
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Never said that. I said light speed > gear second.
Also, another point towards CoO being useless unless used against or by ranged fighters.
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This is not a hit from Kizaru. Gear Second is quick, but CoO should provide a counter to that speed at least partialy
he was speed blitzed by teleportation not gear 2nd , i would argue that this combination would be faster than a hit from kizaru
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The way Law and Doflamingo word things makes it seem like it was a "Being Corazon Malkovich" type of situation. Puppeteer theme even fits.
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I'm not writing Doflamingo off, I'm one of the people arguing that he will beat Luffy, remember?
No, I didn't remember..
No, that's not it. It's the fact that the blow was dealt in such decisive manner is what kills the hype. In the end, Doflamingo is just as every other villain of One Piece. Nothing special about him, except maybe his birth.
Perhaps, but there's still time. One could argue Luffy needed Law's help to land that decisive of a blow in such a convincing manner. The way I see it, the next round proably won't go so easily for Luffy since I get the feeling Law wasn't intending to use up that much stamina so early in the fight. Luffy is all excited because he landed a critical hit right away but his teammate is most likely low on mana and this boss has a lot of hit points and powerful attacks.
BTW.. I do think Luffy will ultimately win, I'm just hoping its an extreme struggle for him.
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How do you expect him to react? That attack is a very powerful attack and Mingo didn't protect himself with Haki.
We don't know that. He could have protected himself in time.
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he was speed blitzed by teleportation not gear 2nd , i would argue that this combination would be faster than a hit from kizaru
and CoO isn't useless for obvious reasons , we just don't know how it works exactlyI would argue otherwise.
Teleportation just moves him around. The actual blow is still a lot slower then what Kizaru does.
And we know it never works in hand-to-hand combat when it matters. That is enough.
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I'm well aware. However, if that rule applies then Luffy outclasses Mingo far too much… thus killing hype further.
Since th octopus could react to gear second Doffly should do fine against it.
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Since th octopus could react to gear second Doffly should do fine against it.
That's another thing altogether.
The amount of people WITHOUT any kind of haki, or Doflamingo's level of hype that blocked Gear Second attacks just serves to rub it in.
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Just for the record
Hatori at skypiea without knowing about Luffy's DF, predicted luffy was gonna stretch
While Doula with plenty knowledge about both abilitys still got hit.
If Doula has CoO well it sucks and Becca has a better CoO than him
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Dofla is already controlling Bellami, his double and the cage… And Luffy and Law use a strategy to surprise him. He can't always be prepared for everything !
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Dofla is already controlling Bellami, his double and the cage… And Luffy and Law use a strategy to surprise him. He can't always be prepared for everything !
He's also a cocky bastard. Still his fault for getting hit.
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We don't know that. He could have protected himself in time.
http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/759/15 < well I don't see any trace of hardened haki on dofla's belly
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Its interesting to see the things Luffy pays attention to and acknowledges. Like he really did internalize that Bellamy honestly looked up to Mingo and respected that.
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I would argue otherwise.
Teleportation just moves him around. The actual blow is still a lot slower then what Kizaru does.
And we know it never works in hand-to-hand combat when it matters. That is enough.
he still needed time (that he didn't have) to realize where's the hit coming from looking at the way law postured him
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http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/759/15 < well I don't see any trace of hardened haki on dofla's belly
So normal Haki is just for peasants now?
It's not like we haven't seen Haki being used without blackening post timeskip.
Just saying, he could have protected himself. If I remember well, Luffy used Haki to protect himself from Hody's bite, but he couldn't protect from all the damage.
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That's another thing altogether.
The amount of people WITHOUT any kind of haki, or Doflamingo's level of hype that blocked Gear Second attacks just serves to rub it in.
I more troubled by how casually people keep up with gear second speed.
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Yes, I'm quite capable of following pictures.
I personaly see little problem with it, I was never a Doflamingo's fanboy, and the arguments how strong he is baffle me.
Nevertheless is quite saddening to see him incapable of action like that. Just another piece of hype to write off.
But I mean…it's not so dolflamingo had a chance.
Luffy ran at law with a red hawk, in second gear (enhances speed), doflamingo is hit by the sense something isnt right, then boom quick shambles and he is hit nothing he can really do...In real time he probably had half a second to react to Luffy speed
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I more troubled by how casually people keep up with gear second speed.
It's only like this in the anime , isn't it ?