Posting about a character on a discussion board might just give that impression lol
Better to just not post at all huh? LOL
Why are you mad? Do you have wet dreams about Rebecca or something? There are plenty of things I can discuss about One Piece, but Rebecca? Nope. ^^
Law joins the Strawhats.
Hancock marries Luffy in a super-cliche way.
Gin or Arlong are never heard of again ( this one's not going to happen, at least on the latter's case )
You've got the wrong impression then. I've never wanted to discuss my point about that bad character "lol".
Then maybe you should preface your comment with, 'in my opinion…' - especially when you're talking about a divisive character like Rebecca.
Otherwise it looks like you're presenting well-reasoned fact, rather than opinion. And if you present something as a well-reasoned fact, you need to back it up.
Honestly Rebecca is not a bad character…
On topic,
I want to see zoro vs mihawk, not some dumb scenario like shiriew beaten mihawk and zoro taking revenge....
luffy as pirate king vs akainu
big mom being lola's mom.
You will be expected to back opinions up too, it's not a get-out-of-jail-free card. Freedom of speech means you can say anything you want, pretty much, but it will not protect you from the reactions of other people. And if those reactions are unfavourable, well, I hope you're ready for some quickfire conflict resolution.
Moriah not coming back ready to kick some Kaido butt.
The Vice-Admirals never achieving a significant victory on a fight.
Hack and Jinbe never getting to have a scene together ( pretty minor but hey, I would love it )
@Buggy's:
Then maybe you should preface your comment with, 'in my opinion…'
Oh well, I'm sorry if you can't tell that someone posting on a forum board is directly expressing his opinion. Do you really need these childish lines?
Crocodile been a woman.
I know more about One Piece than you FACT.
Let's not fight, and unite in our mutual hate for Rebecca.
Also - I hope that not all upcoming arcs will be about some drama (like last two). I miss adventures.
I just kinda expect people to back up what they say…I know it's a crazy, progressive view and all but gosh darn I just can't shake it.
Having a background doesn't necessarly make you a good character, by the way. You make it sound like "oh she has a background so she is a good character". wtf? A good character in the least, shoud be interesting, no? Is Rebecca interesting to you? Does Rebecca interest the readers in this arc? Yes no?
Rebecca is fine, don't know why she get so much hate.
These so called fan speculations that are guranteed to happen so when it doesn't people will be on suicide watch
Luffy & crew dress in tights out of sudden interest in superheroes. Zoro is boy wonder.
Having a background doesn't necessarly make you a good character, by the way. You make it sound like "oh she has a background so she is a good character". wtf? A good character in the least, shoud be interesting, no? Is Rebecca interesting to you? Does Rebecca interest the readers in this arc? Yes no?
YES. You're discussing! Yes, Kirk, give in to the discussion.
I said that she has a rich backstory, which I'd say is an accurate statement.
Forced to fight in an arena for a hopeless cause in front of an arena full of people that want you dead just because of your framed grandfather?
That's a story.
Not to mention the whole didn't even know she had a father thing.
I'd say Rebecca is at the very least, interesting.
_"_Now! This is it! Now is the time to choose! Die and be free of pain or live and fight your sorrow! Now is the time to shape your stories! Your fate is in your hands!" - Auron
Not getting another adventurous, not plot-heavy arc.
The Moon(s)/Sky Islands plot not being expanded upon.
Never having a glimpse of Prodence, Mogaro,…
YES. You're discussing! Yes, Kirk, give in to the discussion.
I said that she has a rich backstory, which I'd say is an accurate statement.
Forced to fight in an arena for a hopeless cause in front of an arena full of people that want you dead just because of your framed grandfather?
That's a story.
Not to mention the whole didn't even know she had a father thing.
I'd say Rebecca is at the very least, interesting.
Not to mention she is still only 16.
I don't want Luffy to ever be shown eating a cream cheese bagel while dancing to Britney Spears songs as Don Krieg merges with Articuno in the background and complains about wrinkles on his face that can easily be rubbed off with tomato sauce taken from someone in a wheelchair.
I accept Jesus Burgess as my Lord and Savior 
@Medical:
I don't want Luffy to ever be shown eating a cream cheese bagel while dancing to Britney Spears songs as Don Krieg merges with Articuno in the background and complains about wrinkles on his face that can easily be rubbed off with tomato sauce taken from someone in a wheelchair.
Be ready for a disappointment my friend.
I said that she has a rich backstory, which I'd say is an accurate statement.
Forced to fight in an arena for a hopeless cause in front of an arena full of people that want you dead just because of your framed grandfather?
That's a story.
Oh yay, except for the fact that 95% of the people in the world of One Piece are full retards, which make it less interesting all of a sudden. Okay, everyone hates her? Big deal. Yawn.
Not to mention the whole didn't even know she had a father thing.
Yay, and it that wasn't emotional in the slightest. Come on, please. Although her being badly handled must be related to it.
I'd say Rebecca is at the very least, interesting.
I would say that the people interested in Rebecca are more interested in her boobs and cutie face than her backstory. I don't know, it's just a feeling. Make her ugly and fat we shall see if there are people who still find her interesting.
Beside that, she has literally been useless in this arc, getting saved there and there, crying there and there, screaming there and there. And seriously? She wanted to win the tourney without hurting anyone with her bladless sword? How cute! nope! Seems like her resolve wasn't that strong huh. At the end of the day all she did was to avoid Cavendish and winning by luck, to then sit in front of Diamante while crying. Interesting Yay, no. Definitely an annoying character.
The really REAL final villain only shows up within the last 100 chapters of the story. Blackbeard is redeemed fighting him.
She's always acted realistically and within her characterisation.
Her design is pretty close to gladiator Nami, but apart from that, there's not a lot wrong with her.
I may get flak for this, but upon thinking about it, those two points are kind of contradictory to me.
Or to put in other words: I don't feel her personality matches her outfit.
Rebecca is kindhearted, emotional, and not terribly extroverted 16 year old. The kind of girl who has enough willpower to fight in the coliseum for years, but still cries at what must be the gazzilionth time she is boo'ed. It may just be me, but I wouldn't really see a person with that personality going for the Fanservice Extravaganza outfit. To me its as weird as if Conis outfit was a skimpy bikini; the design being put before the character.
But that could just be me. Cue people proving me wrong by listing tonnes of people dressing provocatively despite having Rebeccas personality.
Oh yay, except for the fact that 95% of the people in the world of One Piece are full retards, which make it less interesting all of a sudden. Okay, everyone hates her? Big deal. Yawn.
Just because the common people in One Piece aren't very clever doesn't make it any less horrible for her to be trapped in there with them wanting her dead.
95% of people would feel sympathy for rebecca, not yawn. This is more about your emotional stuntedness than her being a bad character lol.
Yay, and it that wasn't emotional in the slightest. Come on, please. Although her being badly handled must be related to it.
Stuntedness strikes again.
Again, not the character's fault.
I would say that the people interested in Rebecca are more interested in her boobs and cutie face than her backstory. I don't know, it's just a feeling. Make her ugly and fat we shall see if there are people who still find her interesting.
How other people perceive Rebecca has nothing to do with her as a character. Irrelevant.
Beside that, she has literally been useless in this arc, getting saved there and there, crying there and there, screaming there and there. And seriously? She wanted to win the tourney without hurting anyone with her bladless sword? How cute! nope! Seems like her resolve wasn't that strong huh. At the end of the day all she did was to avoid Cavendish and winning by luck, to then sit in front of Diamante while crying. Interesting Yay, no. Definitely an annoying character.
We've had countless damsels in distress throughout the series.
It sounds more like you don't like that archetype and are confusing that with her being a bad character.
Not everybody can be Zoro lol.
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@Daz:
I may get flak for this, but upon thinking about it, those two points are kind of contradictory to me.
Or to put in other words: I don't feel her personality matches her outfit.Rebecca is kindhearted, emotional, and not terribly extroverted 16 year old. The kind of girl who has enough willpower to fight in the coliseum for years, but still cries at what must be the gazzilionth time she is boo'ed. It may just be me, but I wouldn't really see a person with that personality going for the Fanservice Extravaganza outfit. To me its as weird as if Conis outfit was a skimpy bikini; the design being put before the character.
But that could just be me. Cue people proving me wrong by listing tonnes of people dressing provocatively despite having Rebeccas personality.
I thought it was to do with the weight limit and whatever?
She just looks like a fairly standard female gladiator to me.
I wouldn't bind someone's clothing choice (when it's not their regular clothes as such) to their personality so tightly.
@Daz:
The really REAL final villain only shows up within the last 100 chapters of the story. Blackbeard is redeemed fighting him.
I may get flak for this, but upon thinking about it, those two points are kind of contradictory to me.
Or to put in other words: I don't feel her personality matches her outfit.Rebecca is kindhearted, emotional, and not terribly extroverted 16 year old. The kind of girl who has enough willpower to fight in the coliseum for years, but still cries at what must be the gazzilionth time she is boo'ed. It may just be me, but I wouldn't really see a person with that personality going for the Fanservice Extravaganza outfit. To me its as weird as if Conis outfit was a skimpy bikini; the design being put before the character.
But that could just be me. Cue people proving me wrong by listing tonnes of people dressing provocatively despite having Rebeccas personality.
Oh, you mean a girl who spent a good part of her life fighting other gladiators half naked, acting like she just came out of the monastery?
I expected a different type of character when she was introduced, after giving that speech about how awesome Kyros was.
Luffy travels to Space
Nami's boobs remain the same size
Zoro finally gets a good sense of direction
"Why are you aboard our ship Lily?" -Monkey D. Luffy
Luffy travels to Space
Unless he will be saving space princesses from space villains, who killed their space mothers, I'm weirdly okay with space arc in space.
So, as the saying goes:
Robin never gets a serious 1 on 1 fight.
Highly possible.
@zeff:
Sanji not getting a decent photo for his bounty even after the series is finished.
It's a running gag, highly possible too.
Oda never slowing the pacing down again and rushing every arc from hereon out.
You know the pacing is NOT gonna slow down. And if it's true an editor recently stated that were like 70% done, then prepare to go full speed of light mode.
@Devil:
Dragon is the strongest being in the universe.
Blackbeard has the Cerberus fruit.
Chopper stays with a joke bounty forever.
The first two are possible. The third, I'd consider it set in stone.
Boom.
Luffy vs Akainu
Smoker should take out the magma guy
Seriously? You could bet your life itself on it happening. There's 0 chance it's not gonna happen.
@Devil:
Gin or Arlong are never heard of again ( this one's not going to happen, at least on the latter's case )
We've seen enough Arlong with Fishman Island. He's probably done forever.
I want to see zoro vs mihawk, not some dumb scenario like shiriew beaten mihawk and zoro taking revenge….
luffy as pirate king vs akainu
big mom being lola's mom.
Everyone loves the Zoro vs Shilliew scenario. Luffy will fight Akainu, before or after being the pirate king. Big Mom can perfectly be Lola's mom.
@Devil:
The Vice-Admirals never achieving a significant victory on a fight.
Unless you want to count Garp vs. Chinjao, a Vice-Admiral is totally forbidden to win a significant fight in One Piece. It is law.
HEY! I really want a space arc
Not b/c Enel just I want one
You know the pacing is NOT gonna slow down. And if it's true an editor recently stated that were like 70% done, then prepare to go full speed of light mode.
So, basically, a reverse Naruto? God no. D:
Luffy discovers he's a rubber logia and quits being a pirate to open a condom factory.
I thought it was to do with the weight limit and whatever?
Said weight limit didn't stop Jeet, Hack, Cavendish, Diamante and so many others from being dressed pretty normally in the ring. And there was never any statement that the Coliseum regulars had to adhere to a specifically stringent dresscode; perhaps you are thinking of the titilating administrative workers, like Gatz assistants, of which Rebeccas outfit is a hairs breadth away?
Oh, you mean a girl who spent a good part of her life fighting other gladiators half naked, acting like she just came out of the monastery?
You are operating on the assumption that as far as "female gladiator design" goes, there is no alternative to the laughably fanservice-fest we got.
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hell, searching for "sexy gladiator" on google images turned up more sensible outfits than what Rebecca ended up with.
I wouldn't bind someone's clothing choice (when it's not their regular clothes as such) to their personality so tightly.
As far as we know though, this was her outfit of choice.
Actually, upon reflection, I think Rebeccas outfit runs contrary to the whole thing she had going in the Coliseum, namely working against its very principles. Denying people what they want.
Zoro opening his scarred eye for a power up.
I'm fine with him opening his eye to reveal an empty eye socket so all the people can get freaked out again that lost their shit about Zoro losing an arm because "lol angles".
Sorry, I totally misread your post.
So, you mean to say that Rebecca, as a character, acts as like she just left a monastery? I wouldn't go that far, but she definetely seems to be a very bland-nice kind of girl.
Robin never gets a serious 1 on 1 fight.
That would indeed, truly be the worst…
Anyway, I have faith in Oda. I doubt any of the things you guys are mentioning will happen.
Luffy is forced to become a condom for gay giants.
@Daz:
Said weight limit didn't stop Jeet, Hack, Cavendish, Diamante and so many others from being dressed pretty normally in the ring. And there was never any statement that the Coliseum regulars had to adhere to a specifically stringent dresscode; perhaps you are thinking of the titilating administrative workers, like Gatz assistants, of which Rebeccas outfit is a hairs breadth away?
I assumed that all Gladiators (in house or visiting) had to adhere to it. (the weight limit)
Jeet, Hack and Cavendish all wore their own, normal clothes with no armour. That was their choice. They still competed within the parameters set.
Diamante is an exception to the rule because his regular clothes essentially ARE armour (when de-flagged).
Tbh, Rebecca wearing enough armour to protect her vital organs, but little enough to play into her agile style of combat makes perfect sense.
@Daz:
As far as we know though, this was her outfit of choice.
Actually, upon reflection, I think Rebeccas outfit runs contrary to the whole thing she had going in the Coliseum, namely working against its very principles. Denying people what they want.
- Rebecca constantly resolves to not give up and put herself in the ring, showing off the hated Riku dynasty, and denying people the satisfaction of seeing her give up and die.
- She spills no blood, wins by ringouts, denying people the thrill of violence.
- She…shows off her T&A for the enjoyment of the spectators. Dressing non-fanservice-ey would just be too cruel.
Maybe they're all disgusted by her dressing like such a tart, and she likes pissing them off?
Nah, I assume she just doesn't care what they think and is playing to her own strengths without being completely unprotected.
@Daz:
Sorry, I totally misread your post.
So, you mean to say that Rebecca, as a character, acts as like she just left a monastery? I wouldn't go that far, but she definetely seems to be a very bland-nice kind of girl.
After her introduction, I expected someone wilder. She's a gladiator ffs. She even looks like Red Sonja, and I'm guessing you know how crazy she is. A She-Devil with a Sword.
Rebecca on the other hand is non-violent, timid, too emotional and just… mild.
Oda decided to go a different route with her and that's ok, I guess. I don't need to like everything about OP in order to enjoy it. I just wish Rebecca had more substance. Some recognizable personality trait maybe. Aside from not wanting to hurt anyone beside Dofla and wanting to live with Soldier.
is non-violent, timid, too emotional and just… mild.
Hey, isn't that Shirahoshi? Wait no, you're right, Rebecca is like that as well. Really an interesting character after all. or not
@Daz:
I may get flak for this, but upon thinking about it, those two points are kind of contradictory to me.
Or to put in other words: I don't feel her personality matches her outfit.Rebecca is kindhearted, emotional, and not terribly extroverted 16 year old. The kind of girl who has enough willpower to fight in the coliseum for years, but still cries at what must be the gazzilionth time she is boo'ed. It may just be me, but I wouldn't really see a person with that personality going for the Fanservice Extravaganza outfit. To me its as weird as if Conis outfit was a skimpy bikini; the design being put before the character.
But that could just be me. Cue people proving me wrong by listing tonnes of people dressing provocatively despite having Rebeccas personality.
Maybe because she's a prisoner, she's forced to wear it?
Half this topic could be moved to a new one with a "Does Rebecca suck?" poll… "Yes" "No" "I'm okay with less purposeful versions of Vivi"
Maybe because she's a prisoner, she's forced to wear it?
I think that's possible. Dofla said that the gladiator battles are just to satisfy the bloodlust of the audience… and historically, that is correct. Gladiators were more likely to get a mild judgement by the audience if they spilled a lot of blood (even their own was okay). Thus why they didn't have "proper" armor. However, that's why gladiators also used to be quite overweight as well (you can receive more wounds without dying, since your vital organs are well protected).
... or it's just that Oda saw pictures of gladiators, thought "So, apparently, they went to battle half-naked..." and decided that a female gladiator should look just like that as well. As much as I cringed at Rebecca's armor, it's supports what gladiator battles are about. Show skin, show blood, the audience loves you.
Jeff the Killer: Go to sleep…Cavendish: Okay 8DJeff: Wha- WAIT, NO!
Rebecca fights with nonviolent tactics because that's how Kyros taught her how to fight. Plain and simple. It's the same reason why she fought with a bladeless sword; that's what Kyros did during his colosseum days and it serves as a reminder that these battles used to not be anywhere near as violent as they became when Doflamingo took charge.
There are plenty of other gladiators in the colosseum that were half-naked too so I really don't see the big deal. I do have to wonder how the hell Hajrudin could even qualify to fight though. Not even fighting completely naked should have allowed him to qualify. At the end of the day it's not extremely important.
I assumed that all Gladiators (in house or visiting) had to adhere to it. (the weight limit)
Jeet, Hack and Cavendish all wore their own, normal clothes with no armour. That was their choice. They still competed within the parameters set.
Diamante is an exception to the rule because his regular clothes essentially ARE armour (when de-flagged).
Tbh, Rebecca wearing enough armour to protect her vital organs, but little enough to play into her agile style of combat makes perfect sense.
Maybe they're all disgusted by her dressing like such a tart, and she likes pissing them off?
Nah, I assume she just doesn't care what they think and is playing to her own strengths without being completely unprotected.
Modesty fine, but that armor does not protect anything.
If Zoro's left eye opens to make him stronger i'll quit one piece(probably not but i would be disappointed)
I don't want Zoro to get accepted into university.
I don't want Dr. Vegapunk to not be eating a bucket of popcorn during his introduction.
I don't want to see a sex scene with Kinemon and the Impel Down demon guards.
I don't want the Ancient Weapon Uranus to be a treadmill.
I accept Jesus Burgess as my Lord and Savior
@Medical:
I don't want Zoro to get accepted into university.
I don't want Dr. Vegapunk to not be eating a bucket of popcorn during his introduction.
I don't want to see a sex scene with Kinemon and the Impel Down demon guards.
I don't want the Ancient Weapon Uranus to be a treadmill.
this is wayyy too unrealistic, friend. some of that is bound to happen.
Death of Sabo…
Sabo is dead guys.
Oh wait…
I assumed that all Gladiators (in house or visiting) had to adhere to it. (the weight limit)
Jeet, Hack and Cavendish all wore their own, normal clothes with no armour. That was their choice. They still competed within the parameters set.
Diamante is an exception to the rule because his regular clothes essentially ARE armour (when de-flagged).
I think you're attributing much too much importance to something that was brought up to make a Luffy-in-armor gag, and is a broken concept anyway by the presence of Hajrudin.
The reason I brought up the other contestants was to show that there was no "rule" that you had to be half-naked in the coliseum in order to adhere to the weight limit. I'm not saying prisoner gladiators have acess to a full wardrobe, but the armory has breastplates, and theres no rules against them. Rebecca could've worn one and weighed less than Tank Lepantos Mace.
To me, the main issue of using the weight limit as an explanation for Rebeccas outfit is:
Lets say Rebecca had worn the first gladiator costume I showed in my previous post. Would anyone ever have objected that her outfit was nonsensical due to the weight limit, and she should logically be wearing a bikini? I'm guessing no.
Tbh, Rebecca wearing enough armour to protect her vital organs,
…What vital organs are protected by covering your crotch and half your boobs? Certainly not your heart, lungs, liver or guts, thats for sure. Her only real protection is her helmet.
but little enough to play into her agile style of combat makes perfect sense.
The link between Rebeccas outfit and her fighting style has not been established in canon. You could argue its obvious that less clothing gives gives her added flexibility…but clothes are as restrictive as Oda wants/needs them to be- i.e. usually not very. Sanji, and almost the entire CP9, are accomplished speed-based martial artists who fight wearing snazzy suits and shoes with no penalty for that whatsoever.
Again, lets pretend Rebecca wore a non-fanservice outfit. Would anyone ever have objected that her outfit was nonsensical due to her fighting, and she should logically be wearing a bikini? I'm guessing no.
I think that's possible. Dofla said that the gladiator battles are just to satisfy the bloodlust of the audience… and historically, that is correct. Gladiators were more likely to get a mild judgement by the audience if they spilled a lot of blood (even their own was okay). Thus why they didn't have "proper" armor. However, that's why gladiators also used to be quite overweight as well (you can receive more wounds without dying, since your vital organs are well protected).
Again, the manga never states this- and if Doflamingo forced "unprotectedness" on the prisoner gladiators to increase the chances of them dying, you'd think that would come up as a dramatic point. Oda could have introduced the issue with extreme ease by making not a weight-limit restriction, but an armor restriction. Small change, big difference in intent and effect.
Doflamingo being the one who directly mandates that a 16 year old girl MUST wear an incredibly skimpy, nonprotective outfit for her Coliseum battles would have been an extremely effective way of giving himhighly tangible asshole points tied to a specific character.
I can see the potential quite clearly; just picture the jeering crowd of the Coliseum going
"I hope Rebecca gets it today!"
"Yeah! I'll miss looking at her cute outfit though, hergherghhergh"
"Ooohoho, I hear the King is forcing her to wear it to punish her for the sins of her father!"
"Man, our king is such a great guy, hergherghergh drools"
Didn't happen though. At most some of the other contestants said she had a cute face. So I really don't see much evidence declaring that Rebecca is forced into the getup against her will.
As much as I cringed at Rebecca's armor, it's supports what gladiator battles are about. Show skin, show blood, the audience loves you.
Thats not what Rebeccas actions in the Coliseum was about though?
I know you guys probably think I'm overthinking this, but my thinking is actually pretty simple. I just asked myself: when designing Rebecca, did Oda
-Figure that since he wanted a female gladiator with a speed-based fighting style, he logically had no choice but to put her in a chainmail bikini, or
-Just want to draw a cute 16 year old in a sexy outfit?
AAAAANYWAY to get back on topic: I hope Luffy doesn't get a last minute power infusion at the finale, in order to be the of relevant strength; Like he unlocks the Power of D transformation, or a dying Shanks gives him his haki, or he absorbs the DF powers of all his friends through the power of being Rogers reincarnation or something.
