! They are scared of Stain because his face is burned and is mad as a cuckoo? I hope there is more than that.
! Also I love how this is turning more and more into Alan Moore's Top 10
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My Hero Academia - Gomu Gomu no Gentle Fist
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OK yeeeeah finally caught up with this series. Indeed digging this lovelily unique take on Western superhero genre and the character arcs are interesting. Placing myself as a regular for this thread as I have done so for the AssClass one.
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I have to say that since the first 20 chapters or so I've been a little disappointed with the plot of this series.
On the other hand, the art in this chapter had be drooling.
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Todoroki's vocabulary just doesn't fit him in this chapter.
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Dog puns.
Pawesome.
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Todoroki's vocabulary just doesn't fit him in this chapter.
Was "Fudge" supossed to be a censor?fudge the rules= bend the rules
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Todoroki's vocabulary just doesn't fit him in this chapter.
Was "Fudge" supossed to be a censor?It's not self-censorship, and I think that's Kenji talking there. In this context "fudge the rules" has a similar meaning to "blur the lines," in that he's asking if Shouto thinks that the rules are fluid and exceptions should be made due to the results. It's a good position for a police chief, who needs to abide by rules in order to maintain lawfulness, to take.
Basically, he's asking if Shouto thinks he should Dumbledore it.
If you get dunked on in the dream, you get dunked on in real life
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It's not self-censorship, and I think that's Kenji talking there. In this context "fudge the rules" has a similar meaning to "blur the lines," in that he's asking if Shouto thinks that the rules are fluid and exceptions should be made due to the results. It's a good position for a police chief, who needs to abide by rules in order to maintain lawfulness, to take.
Basically, he's asking if Shouto thinks he should Dumbledore it.
No, that's Shouto talking.
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Am I the only one who doesn't like this conclusion? I mean, after all this talk of heroics and whatnot, the kids end up accepting a deal to cover their own asses, even if, as Todoroki said, they were completely on the right about their decision of putting lives above all else.
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Very good chapter, Stain passing out WB style, his aura was that strong even Endeavor looked to be shaking in fear.
Since he is receiving treatment, we might see him in the future.
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what do you guys think would happen if Stain & Endeavor actually fought?
I think Endeavor would sweep the floor with him
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what do you guys think would happen if Stain & Endeavor actually fought?
I think Endeavor would sweep the floor with him
If Endeavor can raise the temperature around him enough to keep Stain from getting close then it becomes an endurance match between Stain's agility and Endeavor's stamina. Even then Stain could throw knives to open up Endeavor's vulnerabilities. In a one-on-one fight I'd give the advantage to Stain against just about anyone.
If you get dunked on in the dream, you get dunked on in real life
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I really like what the story is doing with the idea of heroes. This can become a very thematically strong series. It already has a very firm voice. The dog is literally "a dog of the law" (thank you for all the dog puns!), but the law itself is flawed because of what the heroes have become, which is what resulted in Stain. Endevor is the best example of this. Very interesting stuff and good writing!
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If Endeavor can raise the temperature around him enough to keep Stain from getting close then it becomes an endurance match between Stain's agility and Endeavor's stamina. Even then Stain could throw knives to open up Endeavor's vulnerabilities. In a one-on-one fight I'd give the advantage to Stain against just about anyone.
Without an advantageous quirk, or if you were aware of Stain's ability I guess the best strategy would be to try to draw blood from Stain first, or at least at the same time as losing your own he might hold off on Licking you or his weapons if their was a risk of paralysing himself simultaneously, especially if he was unaware of your blood type.
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We could say that Endeavor puts on sunglasses stained his pants.
Yeaaaahhh.
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We could say that Endeavor puts on sunglasses stained his pants.
Yeaaaahhh.
Let's hope that the individual with the quirk "Bladder Control" is on the side of Heroes…
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"Dumbass, that all depends on tomorrow." And what is that suppose to mean? Is there a second part to this plan? I must know.
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When the narrator said the ribs pierced Stain lung my first thught was "Dying standing is a trend now?" Thankfully he survived.
Bloodlust is quite something in this manga if that can makes someone like Endevor back up for a moment.
I wonder what is suppose to happen tomorrow.
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what do you guys think would happen if Stain & Endeavor actually fought?
I think Endeavor would sweep the floor with him
I say he would get roasted. His quirk doesn't have much to counter Endevor. A fight with all might would be much more interesting.
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Am I the only one who doesn't like this conclusion? I mean, after all this talk of heroics and whatnot, the kids end up accepting a deal to cover their own asses, even if, as Todoroki said, they were completely on the right about their decision of putting lives above all else.
Yes, they were on the right, but the law is the law.
It would the equivalent of three kids using guns to fight off a serial killer. You would have tons of people praising them for their deed, but also several people criticizing the fact that kids were illegally using guns in public in the first place. Vigilantism is a crime for a reason.
They technically did have the choice to have the whole incident disclosed to the public, but that would only have caused trouble to their careers.
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Yes, they were on the right, but the law is the law.
It would the equivalent of three kids using guns to fight off a serial killer. You would have tons of people praising them for their deed, but also several people criticizing the fact that kids were illegally using guns in public in the first place. Vigilantism is a crime for a reason.
They technically did have the choice to have the whole incident disclosed to the public, but that would only have caused trouble to their careers.
Would taking out the hero killer really damage their career?
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Would taking out the hero killer really damage their career?
Considering that they don't even have a career yet, it could.
After all, what they did to capture Stain was illegal, and that's not good for a hero.
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Yes, they were on the right, but the law is the law.
It would the equivalent of three kids using guns to fight off a serial killer. You would have tons of people praising them for their deed, but also several people criticizing the fact that kids were illegally using guns in public in the first place. Vigilantism is a crime for a reason.
They technically did have the choice to have the whole incident disclosed to the public, but that would only have caused trouble to their careers.
That's true, but what about citizens arrest? Talking about the real world for a second, there was recently a story about three young Americans a British man and a Frenchman who took down a terrorist on a train, they received medals of honor from France, recognition from Obama, and nothing but praise and support. Yes, two of them were soldiers, but the other three were normal every day citizens. Even if in the manga they would have received some sort of punishment, I still think todoroki is in the right here, the ends justifies the means. In the long run it would stand more as an achievement rather than a blemish on their hero record. The only one I think that should've had any real punishment should have been iida, and even then in the grand scheme of things it's an accomplishment. If your training to become a hero and you saw someone being hurt, would you not run to their rescue? And like the dog chief said, no one was around so who would they have injured besides the hero killer himself, even if they aren't technically not qualified to be an official hero yet.
They way the police chief went about it here made it feel almost like a scare tactic rather than a real threat. I believe he just cares for the kids safety over the actual rules.
But hey that's just an opinion.
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That's true, but what about citizens arrest? Talking about the real world for a second, there was recently a story about three young Americans a British man and a Frenchman who took down a terrorist on a train, they received medals of honor from France, recognition from Obama, and nothing but praise and support. Yes, two of them were soldiers, but the other three were normal every day citizens. Even if in the manga they would have received some sort of punishment, I still think todoroki is in the right here, the ends justifies the means. In the long run it would stand more as an achievement rather than a blemish on their hero record. The only one I think that should've had any real punishment should have been iida, and even then in the grand scheme of things it's an accomplishment. If your training to become a hero and you saw someone being hurt, would you not run to their rescue? And like the dog chief said, no one was around so who would they have injured besides the hero killer himself, even if they aren't technically not qualified to be an official hero yet.
They way the police chief went about it here made it feel almost like a scare tactic rather than a real threat. I believe he just cares for the kids safety over the actual rules.
But hey that's just an opinion.
I don't know the details of that story, but considering that two of those people were soldiers (people that can deal with terrorists), it was not as bad as the situation we saw in the manga. Also, did they use guns? Did innocent people die in that incident?
Also, let's not forget: both Midoriya and Todoroki ignored orders from their supervisors as well, even if it was for a good reason. And we also can't forget that Quirks can be incredibly destructive, which is why they are heavily regulated.
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I don't know the details of that story, but considering that two of those people were soldiers, it was not as bad as the situation we saw in the manga. Also, did they use guns?
Also, let's not forget: both Midoriya and Todoroki ignored orders from their supervisors as well.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/22/europe/france-train-shooting-americans-overpower/ link to the full story.
No, but they were surrounded people, and the terrorist was well armed, much more so then would be needed to rob a train.
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http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/22/europe/france-train-shooting-americans-overpower/ link to the full story.
No, but they were surrounded people, and the terrorist was well armed, much more so then would be needed to rob a train.
In that case, they didn't do anything illegal, which is an important detail.
Imagine if they had pulled guns instead of tackling the guy, starting a shootout (unlikely though, as that was France, where gun control exists). Passengers would have been in even more danger. There's a reason Quirks are regulated, as they are treated as weapons.
Also, the two soldiers could be considered pro heroes in this case, as they were trained to some extent to deal with this situation.
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the crime the kids committed was using their quirks, not stopping a criminal. hence, what they did was commendable but the fact that they used an illegal component (their quirks or if put in real world, using an unregistered firearm[as king cannon said]) is the cause for the punishment.
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the crime the kids committed was using their quirks, not stopping a criminal. hence, what they did was commendable but the fact that they used an illegal component (their quirks or if put in real world, using an unregistered firearm[as king cannon said]) is the cause for the punishment.
Exactly. The end does not justify the means.
If they disclose that a group of kids stopped Stain, they would get enormous praise, but not punishing them for using illegal means to achieve that would open up a terrible precedent that could lead to some unfortunate consequences.
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In this situation they were completely justified.
Stain isn't some two-bit villain that could easily be beaten by a bunch of "inexperienced" kids. He's a hero hunter who has killed/taken out professionals. They had every reason to believe that he was out for their lives and when you're in a situation like theirs, then holding back because "you're heroes and you need to hold yourselves to a higher standard" goes out the fucking window. Pronto.
Following laws as if they're ironclad is stupid. People need to understand they need to be bent in exceptional circumstances. This is one. The kids, minus Iida, should be congratulated.
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In that case, they didn't do anything illegal, which is an important detail.
Imagine if they had pulled guns instead of tackling the guy, starting a shootout (unlikely though, as that was France, where gun control exists). Passengers would have been in even more danger. There's a reason Quirks are regulated, as they are treated as weapons.
I don't think the passengers could have been in any more danger of their life than they already were though. Even after tackling the guy down he still could have killed people if he happened to fire off a few rounds out of panic. Had no one done anything though, many people could have died and it would have been a tragedy.
I still believe they would have had more praise than criticism, making it worth it. I don't see that hurting their career if it was a one time event that didn't happen again. Obviously it probably won't be, as the manga is only just beginning.
So if people without quirks had (and I know it's very unlikely and close to impossible, but let's just say) helped in stopping stain, like with a taser or pepper spray or a sharp object in general, would they have been punished by the law? Or seen as everyday Heros?
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In this situation they were completely justified.
Stain isn't some two-bit villain that could easily be beaten by a bunch of "inexperienced" kids. He's a hero hunter who has killed/taken out professionals. They had every reason to believe that he was out for their lives and when you're in a situation like theirs, then holding back because "you're heroes and you need to hold yourselves to a higher standard" goes out the fucking window. Pronto.
Following laws as if they're ironclad is stupid. People need to understand they need to be bent in exceptional circumstances. This is one. The kids, minus Iida, should be congratulated.
If they were to be congratulated, they would have to be punished as well.
Using Quirks illegally is a top violation of the rules in their universe. It's explained that the people trust heroes because they follow those rules.
Again, the end does not justify the means according to dogface. They did something great, but through illegal means.
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I don't think the passengers could have been in any more danger of their life than they already were though. Even after tackling the guy down he still could have killed people if he happened to fire off a few rounds out of panic. Had no one done anything though, many people could have died and it would have been a tragedy.
I still believe they would have had more praise than criticism, making it worth it. I don't see that hurting their career if it was a one time event that didn't happen again. Obviously it probably won't be, as the manga is only just beginning.
So if people without quirks had (and I know it's very unlikely and close to impossible, but let's just say) helped in stopping stain, like with a taser or pepper spray or a sharp object in general, would they have been punished by the law? Or seen as everyday Heros?
Again, it's all explained in the chapter. Heroes had to follow the rules in order to become a valid profession. Dogface explains it as much.
In the end, there are different definitions of what a hero is and should be in that world.
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When can we expect the "Bite The Crime" joke?
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If they were to be congratulated, they would have to be punished as well.
Using Quirks illegally is a top violation of the rules in their universe. It's explained that the people trust heroes because they follow those rules.
Again, the end does not justify the means.
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Again, it's all explained in the chapter. Heroes had to follow the rules in order to become a valid profession. Dogface explains it as much.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. Rules, even when meant to protect people can be used against them to effectively hurt them and that's when you bend them. :P imo
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I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. Rules, even went meant to protect people can be used against them to effectively hurt them and that's when you bend them. :P imo
I'm not really disagreeing, but rather explaining how the hero system seems to work in that universe.
Todoroki's view of what a hero should be is the "correct" one, but it is not the one society follows. Heroes are treated like a law-enforcement profession, with its own restrictions and rules.
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In this situation they were completely justified.
Stain isn't some two-bit villain that could easily be beaten by a bunch of "inexperienced" kids. He's a hero hunter who has killed/taken out professionals. They had every reason to believe that he was out for their lives and when you're in a situation like theirs, then holding back because "you're heroes and you need to hold yourselves to a higher standard" goes out the fucking window. Pronto.
Following laws as if they're ironclad is stupid. People need to understand they need to be bent in exceptional circumstances. This is one. The kids, minus Iida, should be congratulated.
Self-defense is a different matter and I'm sure the law allows for the use of quirks in defense of your own life. That's not what they did here, because each of the three entered the battle of their own accord. Was it for a good reason? Hell yes. But it's established in the very first chapter that the majority of the citizens, despite most having quirks of their own, will stand around waiting for a hero to come save the day. Even heroes will stand by if they don't think they have a good match up. That's what is expected by law here, even when lives are at stake.
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The great thing about such a debate is that it would definitely happen in the in manga universe as well. Hell, such things add fuel to Stain's fire.
Absolutely loved the intensity of the art in this chapter. I liked how Stain seemed excited that Endeavor showed up but ended up being disappointing and promptly calling Endeavor out as another fake hero since he was about to launch an attack completely disregarding the safety of the hostage at hand(Deku).
Anyway, I wonder what Shigaraki is up to… he was a witness to the events so maybe he intends to spark some dissonance amongst the general public depending on what information goes public from the officials/the fallout from the attack.
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I'm not really disagreeing, but rather explaining how the hero system seems to work in that universe.
Todoroki's view of what a hero should be is the "correct" one, but it is not the one society follows. Heroes are treated like a law-enforcement profession, with its own restrictions and rules.
no. You're wrong! I hate you. You're dumb. I keed.
I just see it as strange that in their world if you're not a pro, don't get involved unless you want some sort of punishment to be handed out.
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no. You're wrong! I hate you. You're dumb. I keed.
I just see it as strange that in their world if you're not a pro, don't get involved unless you want some sort of punishment to be handed out.
Well, that kinda goes to any profession that requires qualification, really. It's the whole point of licenses.
"If you're not a policeman, don't go chasing criminals." "If you're not a surgeon, do not perform surgeries on others."
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It's not self-censorship, and I think that's Kenji talking there. In this context "fudge the rules" has a similar meaning to "blur the lines," in that he's asking if Shouto thinks that the rules are fluid and exceptions should be made due to the results. It's a good position for a police chief, who needs to abide by rules in order to maintain lawfulness, to take.
Basically, he's asking if Shouto thinks he should Dumbledore it.
Thank you for pointing that out! I hadn't noticed it the first read through, but I think it might've been a mistranslation.
First off, that's Shouto talking.
But in the Chinese scan, he's asking (rhetorically) if the end result is lawful, then is it alright to let crime run free?
So yeah, the meaning's changed there. I'll be bringing this up with our translator, so expect an updated version some time later.FC(3DS) - 2724-4238-5489 (LZTan)
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@Bond:
Thank you for pointing that out! I hadn't noticed it the first read through, but I think it might've been a mistranslation.
First off, that's Shouto talking.
But in the Chinese scan, he's asking (rhetorically) if the end result is lawful, then is it alright to let crime run free?
So yeah, the meaning's changed there. I'll be bringing this up with our translator, so expect an updated version some time later.Thanks! That's a fairly significant difference.
If you're releasing an updated version later there are a couple errors or awkward phrases that could be fixed too. Page 13 has the most obvious one with "I only heard tell afterwards" but there are a few other spots that could use polishing too, like "top caliber violation of the rules" on page 18.
Out of curiosity, what's the literal translation for Gran Torino calling the trio "the hurt locker" on page 16? It seems like an unusual choice of words.
If you get dunked on in the dream, you get dunked on in real life
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Thanks! That's a fairly significant difference.
If you're releasing an updated version later there are a couple errors or awkward phrases that could be fixed too. Page 13 has the most obvious one with "I only heard tell afterwards" but there are a few other spots that could use polishing too, like "top caliber violation of the rules" on page 18.
Out of curiosity, what's the literal translation for Gran Torino calling the trio "the hurt locker" on page 16? It seems like an unusual choice of words.
Thank you for your feedback.
"Heard tell" is a phrase that means to hear from someone else. It's a valid phrase that fits Deku's narrative style of speech.
"Top caliber violation of the rules" is just Chief Tsuragamae being casual with the way he describes a capital offence. It doesn't appear to be a problem.
As for "hurt locker", that would be our translator taking liberties again for a more expressive dialogue. The original Japanese has it as "怪我人共「けがにんども」" (Keganin domo), which means "injured people".FC(3DS) - 2724-4238-5489 (LZTan)
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Considering that they don't even have a career yet, it could.
After all, what they did to capture Stain was illegal, and that's not good for a hero.
I would think it would boost their careers. Three kids took out the notorious Hero Kille. Guy who has mutilated and killed professionals?
I would think self-defense would be legal. Are you saying its okay for Deku to throw himself at a bad guy with no powers but since he's got a quirk he can't?
No wonder Stain hates the system, its stupid.
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Glad to see I'm not the only one who thinks differently than the main cast.
I would only like to add to the discussion three relevant points:
-While it is true that vigilantism is illegal, and I don't support it in anyway, isn't it what american heroes usually do? I mean, what kind of permit or license does Batman or Spiderman have? Shouto hit the nail, being a hero is about saving people, period, the rest is just bureucracy
-Another thing that didn't sit well with me, maybe because personal experience, is how the chief is talking about how the law should always be followed by announcing that he is going to completely forge the official statement of the incident. And if he does that in this situation (good?) wouldn't he be able to do the same in other incidents. The conclusion is I didn't like the guy at all, even if the author was trying to tell me he is a good guy
-And finally, at least in my country, self-defense is also applicable in cases where the life in danger is that of a third party, so they are completely in the clear. -
Thanks! That's a fairly significant difference.
If you're releasing an updated version later there are a couple errors or awkward phrases that could be fixed too. Page 13 has the most obvious one with "I only heard tell afterwards" but there are a few other spots that could use polishing too, like "top caliber violation of the rules" on page 18.
Out of curiosity, what's the literal translation for Gran Torino calling the trio "the hurt locker" on page 16? It seems like an unusual choice of words.
So an update, after discussing it with Gliblord, we've reached the conclusion that that line belongs to Chief Tsuragamae, and not Shouto as I'd initially thought. That means the Chinese scanlation may have been mistaken (it wouldn't be the first time).
Just thought I'd let you know.FC(3DS) - 2724-4238-5489 (LZTan)
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I would think it would boost their careers. Three kids took out the notorious Hero Kille. Guy who has mutilated and killed professionals?
I would think self-defense would be legal. Are you saying its okay for Deku to throw himself at a bad guy with no powers but since he's got a quirk he can't?
No wonder Stain hates the system, its stupid.
You forget Izuku got reprimanded for throwing himself into a bad guy with no powers? It was definitely not ok.
It's been established since the first chapter that using Quirks in public is illegal if you're not a qualified professional (i.e. pro hero).
The problem again is not that they defeated Stain, but the methods used. The system might be stupid, but it's also a necessary way to prevent abuse of Quirks.
Glad to see I'm not the only one who thinks differently than the main cast.
I would only like to add to the discussion three relevant points:
-While it is true that vigilantism is illegal, and I don't support it in anyway, isn't it what american heroes usually do? I mean, what kind of permit or license does Batman or Spiderman have? Shouto hit the nail, being a hero is about saving people, period, the rest is just bureucracy
-Another thing that didn't sit well with me, maybe because personal experience, is how the chief is talking about how the law should always be followed by announcing that he is going to completely forge the official statement of the incident. And if he does that in this situation (good?) wouldn't he be able to do the same in other incidents. The conclusion is I didn't like the guy at all, even if the author was trying to tell me he is a good guy
-And finally, at least in my country, self-defense is also applicable in cases where the life in danger is that of a third party, so they are completely in the clear.- Guess what? Batman and Spiderman are known for being extremely controversial in their comics, especially Batman. Even Superman gets this too, with people constantly debating who he is to enforce justice on others. There are many stories out there about people trying to regulate superheroes.
- The law was made in order to regulate Quirks because they can kill people, just like guns, but worse. The reason heroes managed to become a profession was because of those rules and restrictions. Also, he's not going to hide the incident, but rather, credit Endeavor for it. You guys should really read the exposition.
- You know, they could have called pros to solve this problem. Remember, Iida, Midoriya and Todoroki all had the opportunity to tell pros about the Hero Killer, but they didn't. In fact, they ignored orders from their supervisors. There was self-defense, but they all put themselves in danger in order for it to happen.
This does not reflect my opinion though, but rather the system used in that universe.
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Well, that kinda goes to any profession that requires qualification, really. It's the whole point of licenses.
"If you're not a policeman, don't go chasing criminals." "If you're not a surgeon, do not perform surgeries on others."
this quote is the most important to understanding WHY its illegal for what they did. Hero is a profession in their world that uses quirks. in relation to a surgeon, everyone knows how to do surgery through watching youtube videos in an alternate world, ofcourse there will be exceptional ppl who will be able to perform and do well by just watching those videos BUT not everyone is as talented and those would require schooling. if a situation should arise, where one needs immediate surgery, you dont expect an unlicensed individual to perform such a task. its dangerous and sets a standard than anyone can do it and would in the end cause a slippery slope for anyone to use their youtube learned skill.
to relate it, everyone has a quirk, but being a hero is a profession. they need training(hence the school) and permission to use the quirks in those means. dont look at the saving an individual life as the problem because its not and they would still get praised for it. its the use of an illegal means thats the problem.
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I would like to ask, did we get more character notes in volume 5?
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this quote is the most important to understanding WHY its illegal for what they did. Hero is a profession in their world that uses quirks. in relation to a surgeon, everyone knows how to do surgery through watching youtube videos in an alternate world, ofcourse there will be exceptional ppl who will be able to perform and do well by just watching those videos BUT not everyone is as talented and those would require schooling. if a situation should arise, where one needs immediate surgery, you dont expect an unlicensed individual to perform such a task. its dangerous and sets a standard than anyone can do it and would in the end cause a slippery slope for anyone to use their youtube learned skill.
to relate it, everyone has a quirk, but being a hero is a profession. they need training(hence the school) and permission to use the quirks in those means. dont look at the saving an individual life as the problem because its not and they would still get praised for it. its the use of an illegal means thats the problem.
You're overlooking that this is exceptional circumstances.
They're in a confrontation against a villain who does not care for the rules, greatly outskills them and is going to take the life of another person. Had they followed the law after ending up in the confrontation of not using their quirks/holding back there would be a good chance they'd be dead or ending up with a lot worse than the wounds they had at the end of this chapter.
This is effectively a zero-tolerance policy and it's being carried out terribly. People need to realize there is always going to be circumstances that go contrary to the rules and there need to be exceptions made. Izuku and Todoroki should not be punished in the least and should be congratulated.
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The whole regulation thing you guys are having an arguement about is probably the most realistic thing in the manga. I bet something like that rule would be around if we had superpowers in real life.
I'm, like, 95% sure.
