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    • Monkey King
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      You have a point of there are more kingdoms than are shown and some that are not called kingdoms, like Water 7, but are still considered part of the World Government. Literally, wasn't shown in the Water 7 arc? We do know that Iceburg has joined the WG so is recognized as a world leader.

      Iceberg didn't do anything in particular? He worked on projects for the government, but that's it. He didn't link Water 7 with them, they clearly have been part of the WG since as long back as we've been privy.
      Whatever exactly Water 7 is considered I don't think it's counted as a nation. And it's objectively not a kingdom. Which is a specific thing (a place ruled by a monarch). You can't be a kingdom unless you have a monarch, which Water 7 clearly doesn't.

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        @Monkey:

        Iceberg didn't do anything in particular? He worked on projects for the government, but that's it. He didn't link Water 7 with them, they clearly have been part of the WG since as long back as we've been privy.
        Whatever exactly Water 7 is considered I don't think it's counted as a nation. And it's objectively not a kingdom. Which is a specific thing (a place ruled by a monarch). You can't be a kingdom unless you have a monarch, which Water 7 clearly doesn't.

        So do you have dalton going? I mean he's not a true king but an elected person so im thinking no.

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          @Monkey:

          An even better example is the British Empire in India, where they left lots of the land to local monarches (Princely States) that they still had power over, but the rest of the land was directly under British control.

          .

          I was about to give that example….

          “When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it–always.”

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            so, the list right now is
            Vivi, Kobra, Igaram, Chaka, Pell, Hina, Fullbody, Jango
            Neptune, Shirahoshi, Boshi trio, Minister to the left and right
            Dalton and Kureha
            Stelly and Selly
            Wapol and gang
            Sai
            Viola, Rebecca and Riku
            King of Prodence

            EDIT: And Mansherry. I missed her. So tiny.

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              Goa Kingdom one was a shocker.Stelly married to royal family was maximum i could think of, but to be king already….that's a BIIIIG curveball from Oda.

              “When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it–always.”

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                Huh to think everybody was just talking about him :ninja:
                The only returning character that surprised me coming back was Dr Kureha. Now I really want the SH to show up.

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                  @fuzi11:

                  so, the list right now is
                  Vivi, Kobra, Igaram, Chaka, Pell, Hina, Fullbody, Jango
                  Neptune, Shirahoshi, Boshi trio, Minister to the left and right
                  Dalton and Kureha
                  Stelly and Selly
                  Wapol and gang
                  Sai
                  Viola, Rebecca and Riku
                  King of Prodence

                  EDIT: And Mansherry. I missed her. So tiny.

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                  The Mangastream translation says that Sai won't make it in time. Unless he went to Mariejoa straight after setting sail from Dressrosa, I guess Kano won't be there, unless they send a delegate.

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                    Sai is the leader of the Happo Navy, not the leader of the Kano country.

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                      The Mangastream translation says that Sai won't make it in time. Unless he went to Mariejoa straight after setting sail from Dressrosa, I guess Kano won't be there, unless they send a delegate.

                      I'm not sure I can trust any of those translations anymore, because Mangastream's translation is vastly different compared to the first one released today.

                      In the first one Mansherry said, she is excited for the meeting, in Mangastream she is basically just laughing with Rebecca.

                      I think that the horrible translation is better because it is more literal.

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                        @fuzi11:

                        I'm not sure I can trust any of those translations anymore, because Mangastream's translation is vastly different compared to the first one released today.

                        In the first one Mansherry said, she is excited for the meeting, in Mangastream she is basically just laughing with Rebecca.

                        I think that the horrible translation is better because it is more literal.

                        According to Ishuhui, Don Sai should be able to make it to the Reverie.

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                          The Nefeltari family was one of the founding families of the world government but chose not to go to Mariejois, right?

                          Will Cobra and Vivi be like VIPs among the revery? Are they comparable to the celestial dragons?

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                            @fuzi11:

                            The Nefeltari family was one of the founding families of the world government but chose not to go to Mariejois, right?

                            Will Cobra and Vivi be like VIPs among the revery? Are they comparable to the celestial dragons?

                            From the way the Celestial Dragons acted when Donquixote Homing decided to be human, I'm gonna guess no.
                            In fact, seeing how Cobra (just barely) knows about his ancestor's history, it's likely the WG are keeping more eyes on him than the other monarchs.
                            This is so exciting!

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                              Oh look, Stelly is the new Goa's king. Where are all the people who said that Goa's king who weren't fully shown in the flashback would turn out to be important?

                              I can't help but bring back this topic!
                              http://forums.arlongpark.net/showthread.php?t=40614&page=9
                              He is so important that he probably died and we won't ever see his "mysterious" face or name :ninja:
                              I wonder if Gia Sado will see this.

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                              I don't deny you have an opinion at all. It's just that you're wrong.

                              nope, looks like you were wrong.

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                              If that were the case Oda would have shown his face.
                              I wonder if any relatively unimportant political leaders were quickly shown to us who had no more story to them than some quick summary like that?
                              Maybe just a few?

                              Deliberately in multiple panels hiding his face, a deliberate storytelling technique…for no reason?

                              Come ON lol.

                              Another guy whose uncle works with Oda and somehow knows Goa, the homeland of Luffy Sabo Garp and Dragon, has had it's story told, and no other aspects of the place need exploring such as I dunno....literally anything regarding Dragon's origin for instance... nope! It's done. Who cares about the story of Goa and what ties Luffy and his family might have to anyone else or anything else there such as the royal dynasty. No biggie.

                              Well I can tell anyway.

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                              It's being heavily foreshadowed and will involve a psuedo-strawhat, Vivi and much much more than just discussing just "oh shit, Crocodile got arrested".

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                              I don't deny you have an opinion at all. It's just that you're wrong.

                              Yeah and I pointed out that that is not how Oda writes his manga (wtf does Luffy's characterization have to do with it lol).

                              It's suspense by virtue of not showing it.

                              Yeah yeah, I already shot down this crap argument with some other guy. It doesn't have to be a huge huge character for the face not being shown to be a matter of Oda intending to show them.

                              Are you some kind of sociopath or something? Are you posting from North Korea where burning a slum with everyone still in it is average and whatever? The hell?

                              lol what on earth makes you think Goa changed at all from when Dragon was young. ALL his dialogue suggests the complete opposite.

                              lol, he was born in Goa and talked to Sabo about understanding his frustration with it. GEE.

                              Yeah he could have been a Prince or some other sort of next in line nobility, truly irrelevant figures of no relevance in any given storyline.

                              I'm right.

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                              Those are all differing examples from eachother….showing the same thing....making my point for me. Thank you for refuting yourself??

                              When has Oda ever ever refused to show someone's head because their status was unimportant.
                              WHY would someone even do that.
                              When has ANY author done that.
                              No one has EVER done that.
                              Mostly because it makes no sense!!! It makes no sense Gia Sado, if you really want me to respect an argument you're making ...make one that makes sense!
                              "NO I CANT SHOW YOU THIS, IT'S TOO UNIMPORTANT, I HAVE TO HIDE IT TWICE AT LEAST."
                              Why would someone deliberately over several examples hide a character's face BECAUSE he's unimportant.

                              Oh I'm sorry, I thought he was unimportant. So Oda would have no reason to show his face in the Reverie either.
                              By your logic any king there that isn't important...Oda would cover his face!

                              It's almost like royal families in absolute monarchies are intrinsically tied to the name of their kingdom.

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                              Hey that's a great point.

                              There isn't yeah. Great point again!
                              Though there is one thing they share in common! They get SHOWN.

                              Done what. Hide lesser characters? Yeah he has.

                              Not showing a dude's face really really deliberately = hype, foreshadow etc.
                              Also there's countless examples of people's faces being hidden of all kinds of characters, all kinds of importances, and all kinds of levels of foreshadow or lack thereof.
                              The one countless thing in common no matter what is they get fucking shown.
                              I have a great example of a guy slightly hidden from us who turned out to be huge when he was fully shown with zero foreshadowing.
                              You might have heard of MONKEY D GARP? lol
                              Remember the cover story with the random marine officer whose eyes we never saw? Who was not hinted at being anything other than just an officer? Yeah that guy.

                              Not seeing a guys face is mysterious dingus.
                              And again there is mystery with anything regarding Goa. Anything.
                              What kind of clueless schmuck takes "i hide massive things in tiny details Eiichiro Oda" and assumes a guy very clearly hidden on Luffy's and Dragon's and Garp's island in the highest power structure of it…will not be shown. I mean forget whether he's important or not, you don't even think we need to see his face.

                              It's almost like we're having the intended reaction to the narrative technique, and that someone illiterate is trying to say we're wrong.

                              ahahahahahhahahaha, you are not fucking seriously bringing that up.

                              Holy shit you're clueless.

                              She's SHOWN. And yeah you wanna know why we barely saw them? Because Pixar was shit at animating humans until later so they tried to avoid it.

                              Every single example you listed had a huge reason those characters weren't shown. That you're hopelessly clueless self obviously missed.
                              Both Peanuts (not Charlie Brown lol) and Cow and Chicken are playing off the "lol adults and parents are big and distant creatures" to the children characters. Or at least for Peanuts. For Cow & Chicken it was just a joke about faceless generic parents. There was a POINT.

                              So you've failed by question. Find small characters HIDDEN for no reason other than their unimportance. A thing Oda has never ever done before.
                              Do you even know the panels we're talking about? There's three panels the King shows up in, two have his head BLOCKED BY A SPEECH BALLOON.
                              You're acting like Oda didn't deliberately go out of his way to hide the guys face. Except that's exactly what he fucking did.

                              And no understanding even them lol.

                              lol I can't get enough of this, it's like watching a circus.

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                                @evelyne:

                                Oh look, Stelly is the new Goa's king. Where are all the people who said that Goa's king who weren't fully shown in the flashback would turn out to be important?

                                I can't help but bring back this topic!
                                http://forums.arlongpark.net/showthread.php?t=40614&page=9
                                He is so important that he probably died and we won't ever see his "mysterious" face or name :ninja:
                                I wonder if Gia Sado will see this.

                                nope, looks like you were wrong.

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                                lol I can't get enough of this, it's like watching a circus.

                                Monkey King was wrong assuming that the King of Goa wouldn't have changed(if he was referring to present time in one of his statements, not sure) but as far as everything else I'm certain he's pretty much correct.

                                We will see that king, understand why he was completely hidden away and what his business was with the Celestial Dragon.

                                You are basically saying he probably died and thats that.

                                Garp, Dragon and Luffy all seem to be from Goa. Garp roamed the jungles of Goa beating up tigers just like Luffy, Dragon was probably a peasant boy who obviously has major issues with the way it's kingdom is run, suggesting he had some connection to the royalty and the main characters adopted brother had major ties to the current king of Goa. A celestial dragon who seemingly kills the main character's brother has business with the super deliberately hidden Goa King and you think this King has probably died and is unimportant? He could be dead, but unimportant with no chance for a flash back? No way.

                                I gott say, you are wrong and gloating about it doesn't do you any favors.

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                                  ^ okay. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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                                    The democraticaly elected king Dalton of the democratic Sakura Kingdom is going, but the Mayor of Water 7 is not. I don't think that I get it.

                                    But the fact that Kano and Dark Drum aren't in the grand line is very interesting.

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                                      The democraticaly elected king Dalton of the democratic Sakura Kingdom is going, but the Mayor of Water 7 is not. I don't think that I get it.

                                      But the fact that Kano and Dark Drum aren't in the grand line is very interesting.

                                      They changed the name, but it's the former Drum Kingdom which was recognized by the WG, and Dalton is, as you said, the current king. Water 7 is not a kingdom, and it's leader is, as you said, a mayor. It's hardly a country, more like a city.

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                                        @mbaruh:

                                        They changed the name, but it's the former Drum Kingdom which was recognized by the WG, and Dalton is, as you said, the current king. Water 7 is not a kingdom, and it's leader is, as you said, a mayor. It's hardly a country, more like a city.

                                        Its a city that spans the entire island. No where in the story line that happened in it (Water 7) or flashback (Franky's chowing Tom and the island) has is it said that they were subject to some other island.
                                        Its a city-state, a nation unto itself and not part of another country. In the real world we have such micro-states that are recognized as their own nations: : Liechtenstein, Monaco, San Marino, Niue, Andorra are some.

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                                          Clockbeard looks retarded :ninja:

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                                            @Katzztar:

                                            Its a city that spans the entire island. No where in the story line that happened in it (Water 7) or flashback (Franky's chowing Tom and the island) has is it said that they were subject to some other island.
                                            Its a city-state, a nation unto itself and not part of another country. In the real world we have such micro-states that are recognized as their own nations: : Liechtenstein, Monaco, San Marino, Niue, Andorra are some.

                                            Yes but my point is that it's not a kingdom, and all the leaders we've seen preparing for the reverie are kings. Even if we did see someone who's not a king, it would still be understandable considering how small Water 7 is.

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                                              So do you have dalton going? I mean he's not a true king but an elected person so im thinking no.

                                              He was elected but didn't the position get referred to as being a king anyway?
                                              There have been electoral monarchies in real life (though it was usually nobles electing among nobles)

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                                                He was elected but didn't the position get referred to as being a king anyway?
                                                There have been electoral monarchies in real life (though it was usually nobles electing among nobles)

                                                Heck, isn't the Riku Family elected?

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                                                  @evelyne:

                                                  Oh look, Stelly is the new Goa's king. Where are all the people who said that Goa's king who weren't fully shown in the flashback would turn out to be important?

                                                  I'm sorry, but maybe you could explain how he's out of the picture now lol? Mystery character gone forever because reasons.
                                                  Do you think the only way new kings get crowned is through death or something? Abdication is a thing.
                                                  And you know this only proves my point that the character has to have a mystery to them.
                                                  Given that if all Oda intended with that character was just to have them exist and eventually be made irrelevant by Stelly…

                                                  1. Why would he have bothered depicting him at all, shadowed or otherwise. As I said, none of those panels were important.
                                                  2. Why hide his face. If he was just an unimportant placeholder Oda would have had no reason to conceal him whatsoever.

                                                  If your jump-in-sideline ass has an answer to any of those maybe, maybe THEN you can attempt some sort of victory dance in a thing you were apparently too scared to get involved with till you thought it was safe.

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                                                  ^ okay. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

                                                  haha bitch, a guy died, maybe, i mean i think so,
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                                                  The democraticaly elected king Dalton of the democratic Sakura Kingdom is going, but the Mayor of Water 7 is not. I don't think that I get it.

                                                  Government run by nobles, founded by nobles, and littered with privileges for nobles values nobility based leadership more.

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                                                    Yes but my point is that it's not a kingdom, and all the leaders we've seen preparing for the reverie are kings. Even if we did see someone who's not a king, it would still be understandable considering how small Water 7 is.

                                                    Iceberg has other reasons not to attend (he's not a fan of the WG), and we did hear from Cobra that attendance is voluntary.

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                                                      Iceberg has other reasons not to attend (he's not a fan of the WG), and we did hear from Cobra that attendance is voluntary.

                                                      It's been confirmed multiple times that the Reverie is an event only for monarchs. I can cite Hody and Otohime saying as such, and probably more people if I dug back a bit.
                                                      So while yeah Iceberg doesn't like the government, he's also not invited in the first place because he's not a king.

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                                                        I don't expect Goa king to be a person who would abdicate his throne voluntarily,that too to a person who is not his flesh and blood(going by the info we have till now).So if he indeed has a relevance to the story,then i expect Oda will show him in a higher role within WG.That way he can come in the picture later.
                                                        Otherwise it would be pretty lame for a sidelined character to be Luffy's maternal grandpa(if he indeed is).

                                                        Still kudos to those who predicted Stelly would be a important character in Riverie.

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                                                          I don't expect Goa king to be a person who would abdicate his throne voluntarily,

                                                          He was horrifically classist. That's as much as we gathered.
                                                          Nothing suggested he was a power hungry maniac.
                                                          Stelly is a proper child of nobility. No reason to think that the Goa king would object to him.

                                                          that too to a person who is not his flesh and blood(going by the info we have till now).

                                                          Why would that be an issue if he's already fine with that person marrying into his family. Which is inarguable since this being a plausible thing was being mentioned in text in the flashback.

                                                          So if he indeed has a relevance to the story,then i expect Oda will show him in a higher role within WG.That way he can come in the picture later.

                                                          That could happened sure. But that would still mean abdication.

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                                                            I don't see the problem with the previous king being replaced, whether by abdication or death. He was first shown in a flashback, and if he really is Luffy's grandfather he'll be shown in a flashback again, so what's the problem? his importance back then is irrelevant to now.

                                                            Is the new queen his daughter, or his granddaughter?

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                                                              Yeah, this chapter did explicitly say (at least, Mangastream's version did) that "kings and queens" attend it. We know further that it's not open to everybody because it was stated somewhere (I'm pretty sure) that there are like 160-ish nations that are affiliated with the World Government, but this chapter says kings/queens from "over 50 countries" attend the Reverie. Guess that means not all of the WG countries are led by nobility, and/or not all of them want to attend it.

                                                              Out of curiosity, since I don't remember off the top of my head: was it ever stated whether or not Doflamingo attended a Reverie in the past? There would have been two (prior to this one) that took place during his rule of Dressrosa.

                                                              EDIT: Oops, I got like massively ninja'd by the time I posted this. I was talking about the whole "Iceberg not going to the Reverie" thing.

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                                                                He was horrifically classist. That's as much as we gathered.
                                                                Nothing suggested he was a power hungry maniac.
                                                                Stelly is a proper child of nobility. No reason to think that the Goa king would object to him.

                                                                That could happened sure. But that would still mean abdication.

                                                                He seemed more like narcissist to me,like calling to bring down the curtain because too much light were coming in for a nighttime siesta ,knowing full well that he started it(his orders).The lack of humility in him doesn't sync with a person who would be fine to leave his power without a possibility of greater gain.

                                                                Nothing suggest he is a power hungry maniac directly,but in OP we always get clear persona regarding kings.Very good or very bad,nothing in between.No rational hardliner type character.So there is every reason to suspect that he is a power loving type.Anyway too little of him is known to speculate this much….

                                                                I never doubted the abdication part and it's consequences.

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                                                                  He seemed more like narcissist to me,like calling to bring down the curtain because too much light were coming in for a nighttime siesta

                                                                  What does that have to do with narcissm?
                                                                  It was showing how completely the character was apathetic to the poor people. That their mass murder by fire (that he ordered), elicits only a minor complaint about bright lights.
                                                                  Probably all the nobles were doing similar things. It's showing what classist assholes they are.

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                                                                    Obviously King Stelly will rule the reverie

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                                                                      The mangastream translation (so who knows if this is accurate) stated as well that Stelly's kingship only recently just happened. He was just coronated.

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                                                                        Obviously King Stelly will rule the reverie

                                                                        King smelly will stink the place up lol

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                                                                          Isn't stelly around 19 or so? I doubt he was correlated at a much younger age.

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                                                                            Isn't stelly around 19 or so? I doubt he was correlated at a much younger age.

                                                                            I'm trying to find it where it says so in the manga, but wasn't he was 8 yrs old in the flashback? a year younger than Ace & Sabo, a year older than Luffy.
                                                                            Series began 10 years later when Luffy was 17 (Stelly would have been 18), then the 2 yrs timeskip, so he's 20 now.

                                                                            EDIT= Found it! its chapter 586 when Stelly and Sabo first meet, Stelly introduces himself and gives his age

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                                                                              I thought Stelly was two years younger than Ace and Sabo, my bad.

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                                                                                I thought Stelly was two years younger than Ace and Sabo, my bad.

                                                                                nope lol that's Luffy who's 2 yrs younger. But I can see why its easy to think Stelly was 7 as its only that one single panel that his age was given.

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                                                                                  I thought Stelly was two years younger than Ace and Sabo, my bad.

                                                                                  smelly is the opposite of Sabo kind of like his evil smelly ugly twin they have the same age

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                                                                                    smelly is the opposite of Sabo kind of like his evil smelly ugly twin they have the same age

                                                                                    not sure if you're just making a joke or not. Stelly is 1 yr younger than Sabo, they're not same age

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                                                                                      What does that have to do with narcissm?
                                                                                      It was showing how completely the character was apathetic to the poor people. That their mass murder by fire (that he ordered), elicits only a minor complaint about bright lights.
                                                                                      Probably all the nobles were doing similar things. It's showing what classist assholes they are.

                                                                                      Funny note:
                                                                                      How Comes that classism isn't treated like racism or sexism these days? I mean in real world.

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                                                                                      Iceberg has other reasons not to attend (he's not a fan of the WG), and we did hear from Cobra that attendance is voluntary.

                                                                                      Yeah, voluntary, but if the guidline of the whole world's future is discussed, I'd like to participate if I was a ruler.
                                                                                      IDK if Icebarg is allowed to Show up, but just because W7 doesn't have a monarchy they aren't allowed to come? Sounds unfair tbh.

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                                                                                      Haha, since no one is able to write Queen Sally's and King Stelly's last Name, I'd suggest we call them "Not-the-nunchaku". So it's:
                                                                                      Queen Sally Notthenunchaku
                                                                                      King Stelly Notthenunchaku

                                                                                      Or "Nunchaku.net", sounds more similar.

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                                                                                      Still kudos to those who predicted Stelly would be a important character in Riverie.

                                                                                      Regarding me, this wasn't a prediction tbh, I just wanted him to be seen briefly in the current timeline, since he is kinda an opposite to the likes of Vivi and because Oda likes to bring back chars (Koala, etc).
                                                                                      But I still don't get why Goa King's face was completely obscured during the TS. I mean we even saw Sabo's dad and he looked nothing like his son. If it is the same with Queen Sally (if her dad is the king from the flashback) IDK why his face was such a mystery.

                                                                                      I mean it can't be that Goa King got "promoted" to CD, can it?
                                                                                      The CDs are pretty "locked up" with their god-like-Status. Except they can force to marry anyone they like.
                                                                                      And Wapol's case also was interesting. He somehow got promoted to king again. I have to re-read that cover again, it was somewhere in the FI-chapters.
                                                                                      And I never thought that Kano was in one of the Blues, let alone WEST Blue.
                                                                                      There goes the theory that west blue shows "western" countries, North Blue = Europe and so on.

                                                                                      There are a lot of different opinions and views in this forum when it comes to One Piece.

                                                                                      But can we all agree that Roger's ship, the Oro Jackson, had the best figurehead in the story so far?

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                                                                                        At this point i don't want to speculate with Goa's previous king any more.No point doing so….....

                                                                                        anyway i can already see two cliche situations that will happen in Riverie.

                                                                                        1)Neptune and Co. will be look down upon heavily by a section of monarchs,with the likes of Cobra,Riku and Ellizebello coming to their rescue.
                                                                                        2)Vivi,Shirahousi and Rebecca bonding over Luffy.👅

                                                                                        “When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it–always.”

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                                                                                          Scrolled back some pages in this thread and saw that People here thought the SHs Show up @ the Reverie. I'm afraid this is not very likely anymore. Aside from the Shichibukai I wonder which stuff will be discussed and how Cobra will be treated for asking bout the Poneglyphs. I mean he literally has a poneglyph in his "backyard". I know only deciphering is illegal, but not posessing.

                                                                                          And could the old "winter" guy be from Balsimoa (where Franky was send by Kuma)?

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                                                                                          It would also be cool to see how "non-pirates" can reach MJ. Pappug once said you Need WG's permission to go through Redline "atop".
                                                                                          I think of a huge lift/Elevator like in Drumm err, Sakura KD.
                                                                                          A more boring way would be searching for a flat spot at the RedLine and then go all the way up.

                                                                                          Since Marines are escorting them I can imagine some ships will have to go through the calm belt. At least the ones from the Blues.

                                                                                          There are a lot of different opinions and views in this forum when it comes to One Piece.

                                                                                          But can we all agree that Roger's ship, the Oro Jackson, had the best figurehead in the story so far?

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                                                                                            The potential topics coming up

                                                                                            Relocating Fishman Island
                                                                                            End of the Shichibukai System (but can the monarchs even decide upon something like that? The Gorosei seem to be the ones deciding something like that)
                                                                                            Poneglyphs & the void history
                                                                                            Destruction of Baltigo and how to handle the Revolutionary Army
                                                                                            I doubt Luffy will be a topic on itself, maybe something like a side plot when Rebecca, Vivi, Mansherry and Shirahoshi meet. but why would they discuss that notorious pirate in particular? There is a whole Generation of Troublemakers and most of them never met with any royals.
                                                                                            some insight into Mariejois itself

                                                                                            Conflict:
                                                                                            Dalton VS Wapol
                                                                                            Humans VS Fishmen & Merfolk (Probably some Celestial Dragon there trying to capture the Mermaids)
                                                                                            World Government VS Alabasta when Cobra brings up Poneglyphs

                                                                                            possible scenarios:
                                                                                            Kaido attacking to get Shirahoshi
                                                                                            Revolutionaries attacking to shake up the world
                                                                                            Blackbeard attacking to shake up the world

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                                                                                              @fuzi11:

                                                                                              The potential topics coming up

                                                                                              Relocating Fishman Island
                                                                                              End of the Shichibukai System (but can the monarchs even decide upon something like that? The Gorosei seem to be the ones deciding something like that)
                                                                                              Poneglyphs & the void history
                                                                                              Destruction of Baltigo and how to handle the Revolutionary Army
                                                                                              I doubt Luffy will be a topic on itself, maybe something like a side plot when Rebecca, Vivi, Mansherry and Shirahoshi meet. but why would they discuss that notorious pirate in particular? There is a whole Generation of Troublemakers and most of them never met with any royals.
                                                                                              some insight into Mariejois itself

                                                                                              Conflict:
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                                                                                              Humans VS Fishmen & Merfolk (Probably some Celestial Dragon there trying to capture the Mermaids)
                                                                                              World Government VS Alabasta when Cobra brings up Poneglyphs

                                                                                              possible scenarios:
                                                                                              Kaido attacking to get Shirahoshi
                                                                                              Revolutionaries attacking to shake up the world
                                                                                              Blackbeard attacking to shake up the world

                                                                                              Yeah, FI's emmigration!
                                                                                              Now, if I think of all the nobles attending at the human auction, I can't imagine the world's royals are gonna vote for the merfolk's "movement". I'm afraid the likes of Riku and Kobra are a minority at that Reverie.
                                                                                              If DD was still king of DR, I could have imagined that Kaidou assaults MJ. But now he heard about DD's defeat and Jack is gone and both incidents involves the SHs (from his POV), so IDK if he can Focus right now on MJ. And BB just assaulted Baltigo. Now attacking MJ would be madness! MADNESS!

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                                                                                              Another conflict I can imagine is WG threatening Vivi's Status just to silence Cobra's curiosity.
                                                                                              They can always find witnessers that saw Vivi with the SHs, so she could be expelled from her future throne or even get arrested.
                                                                                              Totally possible Thing the WG could pull off.

                                                                                              A possible reaction to the destruction of Baltigo could be:
                                                                                              Several Kings/Queens:"Yeah, woohoo!"
                                                                                              Wapol:"See? You didn't Need my troops after all!"
                                                                                              Vivi:"Oh no, Luffy's dad!" (she read the all-revealing-newspapers)

                                                                                              Just like here, some royals will take Dragon's death for granted.

                                                                                              There are a lot of different opinions and views in this forum when it comes to One Piece.

                                                                                              But can we all agree that Roger's ship, the Oro Jackson, had the best figurehead in the story so far?

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                                                                                                Yeah, FI's emmigration!
                                                                                                Now, if I think of all the nobles attending at the human auction, I can't imagine the world's royals are gonna vote for the merfolk's "movement". I'm afraid the likes of Riku and Kobra are a minority at that Reverie.
                                                                                                If DD was still king of DR, I could have imagined that Kaidou assaults MJ. But now he heard about DD's defeat and Jack is gone and both incidents involves the SHs (from his POV), so IDK if he can Focus right now on MJ. And BB just assaulted Baltigo. Now attacking MJ would be madness! MADNESS!

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                                                                                                Another conflict I can imagine is WG threatening Vivi's Status just to silence Cobra's curiosity.
                                                                                                They can always find witnessers that saw Vivi with the SHs, so she could be expelled from her future throne or even get arrested.
                                                                                                Totally possible Thing the WG could pull off.

                                                                                                A possible reaction to the destruction of Baltigo could be:
                                                                                                Several Kings/Queens:"Yeah, woohoo!"
                                                                                                Wapol:"See? You didn't Need my troops after all!"
                                                                                                Vivi:"Oh no, Luffy's dad!" (she read the all-revealing-newspapers)

                                                                                                Just like here, some royals will take Dragon's death for granted.

                                                                                                More like Cobra will get killed giving vivi another reason to go against them he is doing it since he is already sick so it does not matter if they kill him off but if he talks about it in private with them then they should actually tell him since his kingdom was one of the 20 founding kingdoms of the wg

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                                                                                                Scrolled back some pages in this thread and saw that People here thought the SHs Show up @ the Reverie. I'm afraid this is not very likely anymore. Aside from the Shichibukai I wonder which stuff will be discussed and how Cobra will be treated for asking bout the Poneglyphs. I mean he literally has a poneglyph in his "backyard". I know only deciphering is illegal, but not posessing.

                                                                                                And could the old "winter" guy be from Balsimoa (where Franky was send by Kuma)?

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                                                                                                It would also be cool to see how "non-pirates" can reach MJ. Pappug once said you Need WG's permission to go through Redline "atop".
                                                                                                I think of a huge lift/Elevator like in Drumm err, Sakura KD.
                                                                                                A more boring way would be searching for a flat spot at the RedLine and then go all the way up.

                                                                                                Since Marines are escorting them I can imagine some ships will have to go through the calm belt. At least the ones from the Blues.

                                                                                                the world govt has a express safe way out of the blues i don't think its threw the calm belt though since the king norland was working for gave norland access to the new world to meet the dwarfs

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                                                                                                  The potential topics coming up

                                                                                                  Relocating Fishman Island

                                                                                                  The relocation itself will never happen because of the Kings. Luffy's words to Shirahoshi are meant to be taken out of the box meaning that She won't be the only one that Luffy will be taking to a beautiful forest but the whole Fishmen race.

                                                                                                  I doubt Luffy will be a topic on itself, maybe something like a side plot when Rebecca, Vivi, Mansherry and Shirahoshi meet. but why would they discuss that notorious pirate in particular?

                                                                                                  Because by the time the meeting begins Luffy will already be fighting or defeated Kaido and the 'D' will definitely be mentioned during that meeting.

                                                                                                  There is a whole Generation of Troublemakers and most of them never met with any royals.

                                                                                                  There are trouble makers, but none of them has directly attacked the WG, none of them has invaded two of their main facilities (three if you count HQ) and none of them has set the whole world into chaos.

                                                                                                  Revolutionaries attacking to shake up the world
                                                                                                  Blackbeard attacking to shake up the world

                                                                                                  the world is already being shaken! Lol

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                                                                                                    the world govt has a express safe way out of the blues i don't think its threw the calm belt though since the king norland was working for gave norland access to the new world to meet the dwarfs

                                                                                                    There are only two ways to get from the Blues to Grand Line and thus to reach MJ, they either enter through the dangerous path of going up the Reverse Mountain or go through the Calm Belts.

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                                                                                                      There are only two ways to get from the Blues to Grand Line and thus to reach MJ, they either enter through the dangerous path of going up the Reverse Mountain or go through the Calm Belts.

                                                                                                      two ways for pirates and wanted people royals,world govt and marines most likely have a third way which is how sanji most likely got to east blue as well since his family is important to the wg as well..

                                                                                                      Norlands king needed permission to go to the grand line if they wanted go to the grand line the same pirate way do they would not need that since they could have used the two ways you said that i also already know about.

                                                                                                      the red line has another way rather than reverse mountain i think it was said they have to leave their ship behind though.

                                                                                                      Coating the bottom of ships with seastone is also a new thing that vegapunk discovered i don't think it was common for the marines to go threw the calm belt until that was discovered since the seastone coating stops the seakings from attacking.

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                                                                                                        two ways for pirates and wanted people royals,world govt and marines most likely have a third way which is how sanji most likely got to east blue as well since his family is important to the wg as well..

                                                                                                        Norlands king needed permission to go to the grand line if they wanted go to the grand line the same pirate way do they would not need that since they could have used the two ways you said that i also already know about.

                                                                                                        the red line has another way rather than reverse mountain i think it was said they have to leave their ship behind though.

                                                                                                        Coating the bottom of ships with seastone is also a new thing that vegapunk discovered i don't think it was common for the marines to go threw the calm belt until that was discovered since the seastone coating stops the seakings from attacking.

                                                                                                        You're thinking of the people that have permission to travel from paradise side to the new world side of the Grand Line. They get permission to travel to the other side. Reason why is because there are only two ways to get past the Red Line: 1-go through FI at the bottom or 2- go through MJ at the top. Since MJ is home of the Tenryuubito, they have to get permission. They leave the ship on the Paradise side and get a new ship on the New World side.

                                                                                                        I can't remember at what time or who this was explained… before they left Water 7 by Kokoro or during first SA arc by Keimi/Hatchan

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