Something really hax, in order to actually make him a threat to Luffy. A logia of some sort probably.
I am still waiting for his epithet to be revealed. I'm putting my money on "Pink Wonder".
The Final Villain
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Coby's a sensitive, and an emotional person. I could see Coby eat a Paramecia DF that allows him to link the senses, emotions, thoughts etc. of more than 1 person together.
It would pretty much be a defensive and support DF, but, a very powerful one. (I would've said an ice Logia, because rubber becomes when exposed to cold, but, Aokiji holds that possibility hostage).
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I still don't understand this… It would make sense if BB were alone, but he had his entire super-strong crew with him.
Well, people who fight Akainu tend to come out of it with basketball-sized holes in them. Plus, while his crew is no doubt strong, they were far from unstoppable back then if Blackbeard claimed that Ace was tougher than them.
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@The:
Coby's a sensitive, and an emotional person. I could see Coby eat a Paramecia DF that allows him to link the senses, emotions, thoughts etc. of more than 1 person together.
If he figured out how to reverse his CoO, he could do this WITHOUT eating a DF.
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If he figured out how to reverse his CoO, he could do this WITHOUT eating a DF.
In fact, that would be really cool if he could actually manipulate his Haki this way.It'd be strong either way, and should be an EXCLUSIVE technique to Coby imho.
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I would think of it more as Luffy had 10 years of training and 2 years of Rayleigh training, while Coby had nothing and then 3 years of Garp training, which is as good as or better than Rayleigh training, so the extra year can make up for those 10 where Luffy was inefficient :x
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I still don't understand this… It would make sense if BB were alone, but he had his entire super-strong crew with him.
It might have something to do with their belief in fate and not wanting to test it. Blackbeard said it wasn't "time" to fight Shanks, which makes it sound like he could fight him but the time was wrong. Also considering they just wanted a boat and had already been in a massive fight they didn't feel like fighting anymore.
If Coby ate a DF that would be cool, if he does become an admiral I wouldn't mind him eating a logia. He's not one of my favorite characters but I'm glad Oda changed his design from the guy with the weird head, so now he looks like a fighter
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I see what you're saying, but East Blue could easily be substituted by the short Fishman Island arc, because they weren't in the New Word yet while they were at FI, and it doesn't seem like FI is at all relevant to this new Doflamingo saga.
wait, what? Calling this the DoFlamingo saga is waay too early an assessment. Now, when you consider a Big Mom saga, then the FI arc, especially its closure, becomes very relevant.
Sure, maybe you could be right and I wrong, but seeing how Big Mom and Luffy have a standing agreement to fight over something already, I'll take it over the Luffy having only just heard Doflamingo's name.
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wait, what? Calling this the DoFlamingo saga is waay too early an assessment. Now, when you consider a Big Mom saga, then the FI arc, especially its closure, becomes very relevant.
Sure, maybe you could be right and I wrong, but seeing how Big Mom and Luffy have a standing agreement to fight over something already, I'll take it over the Luffy having only just heard Doflamingo's name.
What if Donflamingo is Big Mom?
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What if Donflamingo is Big Mom?
Than he doesn"t have the string string fruit but the turn-into-an-ugly-candy-loving-bitch fruit
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Big Mam works for Doflamingo. Kaido(u) is Doflamingo's son. And Doflamingo is the one who gave Blackbeard the Devil Fruit book, in turn, his rise to power.
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Personally, I think he'll be Shanks. Probably Luffy will defeat the "evil" opponents before the final fight in Raftel, and in here he'll have to prove to his former mentor to have become a worthy pirate. He'll defeat him, and then he'll give him back his straw hat. Hail to the new king.
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I can imagine Doflamingo being the Izaya of the One Piece world, but a lot deadlier
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I can imagine Doflamingo being the Izaya of the One Piece world, but a lot deadlier
Yes. YES. PLEASE YES!
And Crocodile is Shizuo.
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Doflamingo reminds me of several different guys all being in the power = strength which in some cases overlaps with a "god complex". Enel, Aizen, Frieza, and Shishio all had some level of their strength = their respect or worth and that's how I see Doflamingo though he might only see strength as an indicator of how much respect others deserve
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Knowing Oda I won't be surprised if its a totally new rookie who defeats Blackbeard and Akainu and sends the entire world into chaos for Luffy to come save the day and be branded as a hero.
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Knowing Oda I won't be surprised if its a totally new rookie who defeats Blackbeard and Akainu and sends the entire world into chaos for Luffy to come save the day and be branded as a hero.
I'd actually laugh if it was one of the 12 Supernova we know of, but the least expected one (like maybe Urouge/Capone/Apoo?)
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I'd actually laugh if it was one of the 12 Supernova we know of, but the least expected one (like maybe Urouge/Capone/Apoo?)
Lolwut? Twelve, huh?
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Lolwut? Twelve, huh?
I meant 11, though some people consider Caribou/Coribou to be a Supernova
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Am I the only one who thinks the final villain should or is going to be a guy who has the water fruit? That to me would be the strongest fruit in One Piece. Can you imagine someone in One Piece who can control and is water?
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Okay, so… After thinking about it for a long time, I think that Doflamingo's "connection" is Vegapunk.
I'm not gonna say anything more than that, I just think that Vegapunk is involved somehow... -
Okay, so… After thinking about it for a long time, I think that Doflamingo's "connection" is Vegapunk.
I'm not gonna say anything more than that, I just think that Vegapunk is involved somehow...It's possible but considering Vegapunk did program Kuma like he asked, he's not a total POS like CC. So I don't think he'd deal too much with Doflamingo, also considering how he is the smartest character in the OP universe, Doflamingo might be in trouble dealing with some one at that level.
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It's possible but considering Vegapunk did program Kuma like he asked, he's not a total POS like CC. So I don't think he'd deal too much with Doflamingo, also considering how he is the smartest character in the OP universe, Doflamingo might be in trouble dealing with some one at that level.
Yes, but all of Doflamingo's activities are related to VP. He knew the truth behind Kuma's transformation, but he didn't know about Kuma's relationship with Ivankov? Then his source couldn't have been the Revolutionaries, and what better source than Vegapunk himself?
Doflamingo is ordered to kill Moria, by someone in the WG. The only person who has a rivalry with Moria is Kaidō, but Kaidō had already defeated Moria, and I doubt that a Yonkō is involved with the WG. However, the one person who numbers their subordinates just like Kaidō and Moria, is Vegapunk.
Now, we're in the NW, and Doflamingo is using CC for something. How could Dofla know the nature of CC's experiments, and that they would benefit him in some way? Well, Vegapunk was working on the same project. It's just weird that VP is involved in all three circumstances… I guess it could be somebody else, but we'll see.
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Doflamingo could be blackmailing Vegapunk in some manner or he might know something that could keep Vegapunk quiet.
To the original question: I suppose it depends on what you mean by "final." I'd expect Blackbeard or the WG in some form to be the main villain of the series, but the final battle to be against someone like Smoker or Coby. Either way, I have faith in Oda.
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Doflamingo strikes me as some sort of business man, he probably doesn't care about world domination or anything, he is probably just someone who just traffics weapons and slaves.
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I still don't understand why does he need a subordinate so high in the marines like Vergo, is it only for covering up about kidnapped kids or is there something else? he could probably supply enough kids from his many slave shops.
Doflamingo's obviously got much more utility for Vergo than the cover-ups. With the Vice Admiral of G-5 in his control, he can pretty much do what he wants without the Marines getting on his back, which opens up a lot of doors for him.
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Doflamingo's obviously got much more utility for Vergo than the cover-ups. With the Vice Admiral of G-5 in his control, he can pretty much do what he wants without the Marines getting on his back, which opens up a lot of doors for him.
True but I think it's more a business thing for him like Infinite said. If you can control a marine base in the New World then you can get into the New World via Marine ships instead of going all the way to FI. I think the ability to use Marine and WG infrastructure to do business allows Doflamingo efficiency, quickness, and keeping a low profile so he can do lots of business and do it better than other brokers while staying off the radar
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Personally, I think he'll be Shanks. Probably Luffy will defeat the "evil" opponents before the final fight in Raftel, and in here he'll have to prove to his former mentor to have become a worthy pirate. He'll defeat him, and then he'll give him back his straw hat. Hail to the new king.
Shanks hasn't shown an villainous traits sans the pirate stuff.
Also it's probably Blackbeard - it been set-up a long time ago; his actions, ideals, and ruthlessness has been around before even they got deeper into Akainu and Doflamingo. I don't think Doflamingo is the "main" villain for reasons I can't seem to explain well.
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I honestly don't get why this is still a debate. Oda has told us, through Whitebeard, what the final arc is, and who the villain will be.
We know that the last arc of the series will be a war against the World government. It's going to be over the truth of the void century which directly ties into the D.s, and is what Roger and his crew were unable to accomplish, which is how Luffy will surpass him.
Seriously, he'll beat Blackbeard to get to Raftel, find the One-Piece (the Rio Poneglyph = void century = the One Piece missing from history) expose the truth to the world, and then the war will happen. It'll bee the 5 old peeps and those who remain loyal to them vs everyone else.
Hell, Oda himself has said outside the manga that the final arc will be a war that makes Marineford look tiny.
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Doflamingo - is probably one of those Lex Luthor types.
Insanely rich - seems underpowered - always planing - always using subordinates.Oh I know you'll want to debate underpowered - what I mean is he "seems" underpowered from an outside perspective. He uses others to do his work for him - at the end of the war he had the pacifista's around him to take on Moriah. Got bullied into standing down by a higher up marine.
He doesn't try and strike fear into people he barely seemed to fight in Marineford - we all know he is powerful but no one is too sure how powerful hence why he could seem underpowered. For all we know his strength could be above Yonkou level but he chooses to stay a shichibukai because it suits his grand plan.
Pell survived because he is a Falcon - Stop using him as a bad example.
The Peregrine Falcon reaches faster speeds than any other animal on the planet when performing the stoop,which involves soaring to a great height and then diving steeply at speeds of over 320 km/h (200 mph)
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Doflamingo - is probably one of those Lex Luthor types.
Insanely rich - seems underpowered - always planing - always using subordinates.Oh I know you'll want to debate underpowered - what I mean is he "seems" underpowered from an outside perspective. He uses others to do his work for him - at the end of the war he had the pacifista's around him to take on Moriah. Got bullied into standing down by a higher up marine.
He doesn't try and strike fear into people he barely seemed to fight in Marineford - we all know he is powerful but no one is too sure how powerful hence why he could seem underpowered. For all we know his strength could be above Yonkou level but he chooses to stay a shichibukai because it suits his grand plan.
Bullied? He's never been bullied. He even threatened the guy who he told about not finishing Moria off, he told him to be careful because he will quit the Shichibukai as soon as it's no longer useful (something to that effect). He stopped when Sengoku said stop the war but so did everyone, he would have had to fight the admirals and Sengoku if he had disobeyed.
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Between Teach, Doflamingo and Akainu, who has the best chance at this title? Well, let's see.
Akainu has been the most recent addition out of these charcters and has had the least character development. However, his actions both established his position on the ideological front and made a personal connection with Luffy. But, on a storytelling level, One Piece doesn't directly come in the sphere of his interests - although he is important as the one standing against the theme of freedom. Whereas on a emotional level - he is a target for revenge and nothing more. And path of revenge isn't something I would want Luffy to go by. I see several direction Oda could go with him, but to say for certain?
Doflamingo has appeared second, and from the beginning was positioned as the most idealogically opposite opponent of Luffy. The thematic confronatation of romance and pragmatism in One Piece has always fascinated me, and Luffy's and Doflamingo's rivalry to be is the very culmination of it. But as far as the end goal of the Straw Hat adventure goes? Doflamingo hasn't ever expressed any interest in One Piece - actually, he stated his indifference - and therefore from the story's point of view, does he have a place in the final? No, most likely.
Teach has come in the spotlight first, has been developing as a character ever since and accumulated quite an amount of story weight up till now. What drives him to do it? Exactly the same dream as Luffy's - that is, to find One Piece. Exactly the same extremely egoistic nature. And cardinally different approaches - that is what sets him and Luffy apart. A personal connection on every level is what this fight is about and what makes it so fitting to be the last.
I guess, that is it. Even though Raftel isn't the final part of the story, I wonder if any character is going to stand at the same place Teach does - if any other fight will have a more personal feeling and a level of finality to it?
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Other than being really good at covering this up, the Gorosei also has little character developement.
Though their designs aren't that identifiable to see them as the main antagonist.
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Between Teach, Doflamingo and Akainu, who has the best chance at this title? Well, let's see.
Akainu has been the most recent addition out of these charcters and has had the least character development. However, his actions both established his position on the ideological front and made a personal connection with Luffy. But, on a storytelling level, One Piece doesn't directly come in the sphere of his interests - although he is important as the one standing against the theme of freedom. Whereas on a emotional level - he is a target for revenge and nothing more. And path of revenge isn't something I would want Luffy to go by. I see several direction Oda could go with him, but to say for certain?
Doflamingo has appeared second, and from the beginning was positioned as the most idealogically opposite opponent of Luffy. The thematic confronatation of romance and pragmatism in One Piece has always fascinated me, and Luffy's and Doflamingo's rivalry to be is the very culmination of it. But as far as the end goal of the Straw Hat adventure goes? Doflamingo hasn't ever expressed any interest in One Piece - actually, he stated his indifference - and therefore from the story's point of view, does he have a place in the final? No, most likely.
Teach has come in the spotlight first, has been developing as a character ever since and accumulated quite an amount of story weight up till now. What drives him to do it? Exactly the same dream as Luffy's - that is, to find One Piece. Exactly the same extremely egoistic nature. And cardinally different approaches - that is what sets him and Luffy apart. A personal connection on every level is what this fight is about and what makes it so fitting to be the last.
I guess, that is it. Even though Raftel isn't the final part of the story, I wonder if any character is going to stand at the same place Teach does - if any other fight will have a more personal feeling and a level of finality to it?
The thing is, the series can't just end with a battle between two relatively small pirate crews when you consider how huge and important the rest of the world of One Piece is. That would be seriously underwhelming.
The final war needs to justify Luffy's ability to form allies. He will have to face the World Government and the Marines (led by Akainu) and to do so, he will need the support of Arabasta, Fishman Island, Amazon Lily, the Revolutionaries and so on. Character development be damned.
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Bullied? He's never been bullied. He even threatened the guy who he told about not finishing Moria off, he told him to be careful because he will quit the Shichibukai as soon as it's no longer useful (something to that effect). He stopped when Sengoku said stop the war but so did everyone, he would have had to fight the admirals and Sengoku if he had disobeyed.
.< I couldn't quite think of the right word - when he was told to stop by the Commander and he complied. From the way it was presented at the time he was nothing more then a pest and they could have easily stopped him. But yes as he has appeared more and more he is shown to be far more cunning and dangerous.
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It seems weird, now that I think of it, that Doflamingo was introduced so early but has had little screen time until what probably is his Saga in this current one. Thought, considering how so much happened since Skypiea, it does make some sense that it would have been hard to insert him there suddenly.
Though Moriah, Kuma, Hancock, Mihawk, and Jinbe doesn't seem to fall in his category.
AAH I REALLY CANT WAIT FOR NEXT WEEK'S CHAPTER! This is so awful trying to wait for what's to come in this arc!
You are on a quest to become the Pirate Prince, and you decide your fate!
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@400MillionBelis:
Though Moriah, Kuma, Hancock, Mihawk, and Jinbe doesn't seem to fall in his category.
Mihawk falls into that category very well, actually. For all the hype, he's appeared quite infrequently.
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But compared to Doflamingo, we know more abotu Mihawk and we know little to nothing about Doflamingo. Though, I agree that Mihawk is a bit on the sidelines for being Zoro's goal.
I'm a little too afraid that Mihawk would randomly show up, like he did in the Baratie arc, and Zoro will just randomly fight him. Gah - the next we might see with Mihawk is probably in another war D:
Though, character developement isn't really much of a problem for Oda…
You are on a quest to become the Pirate Prince, and you decide your fate!
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I really do think that the scope of Blackbeard has the chance to be much bigger than just about anyone else, and we won't know much about his future until we know the truth about One Piece. I know that a lot of things point to it being the truth about the void century and junk, but I think it's going to have some aspect of actual treasure as well. Whatever.
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The final villain will be Axe-Hand Morgan, who eats a Devil Fruit that gives him the power to turn any part of his body into an axe.
Axe elbows, Axe toes, Axe teeth, and Axe ears. He'll defeat Mihawk in two moves and bring Luffy to the brink of death.
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@400MillionBelis:
But compared to Doflamingo, we know more abotu Mihawk and we know little to nothing about Doflamingo. Though, I agree that Mihawk is a bit on the sidelines for being Zoro's goal.
I'm a little too afraid that Mihawk would randomly show up, like he did in the Baratie arc, and Zoro will just randomly fight him. Gah - the next we might see with Mihawk is probably in another war D:
Though, character developement isn't really much of a problem for Oda…
I don't think it would happen. Oda's been hyping up this fight for more than a decade.
The Shanks and Whitebeard discussion leads me to believe it will happen because it felt that they were really setting up and hyping Luffy vs BB and Zoro vs Mihawk.
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I don't think it would happen. Oda's been hyping up this fight for more than a decade.
The Shanks and Whitebeard discussion leads me to believe it will happen because it felt that they were really setting up and hyping Luffy vs BB and Zoro vs Mihawk.
If you are mentioned by 2 Yonkus you know you are or will be a badass. I guess Buggy will do something awesome during the climax of the series.You didn't get what I meant - I mean with how little character development Mihawk has, and how he was introduced in such a bizzare unexpected manner, I'm a little afraid that an unexpected meet with Mihawk and Zoro will be the fight, just like in Baratie. I never implied nor said that the Zoro will not fight Mihawk - that would be ridiculous statement to make.
You are on a quest to become the Pirate Prince, and you decide your fate!
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@400MillionBelis:
You didn't get what I meant - I mean with how little character development Mihawk has, and how he was introduced in such a bizzare unexpected manner, I'm a little afraid that an unexpected meet with Mihawk and Zoro will be the fight, just like in Baratie. I never implied nor said that the Zoro will not fight Mihawk - that would be ridiculous statement to make.
Oh ok I see what you mean. Its funny cause I kinda envision that Mihawk would randomly show up as well waiting for Zoro. Maybe when the a group of straw hats race to catch up with BB on Raftel, Mihawk shows up.
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Oh ok I see what you mean. Its funny cause I kinda envision that Mihawk would randomly show up as well waiting for Zoro. Maybe when the a group of straw hats race to catch up with BB on Raftel, Mihawk shows up.
Mihawk could always show up in the final war.
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Mihawk could always show up in the final war.
Somehow, I don't think that any of the Shichibukai, barring Kuma, are going to listen to the WG by the EoS.
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For some weird reason I imagine Mihawk to suddenly disappear without a trace bringing Zoro's dream in jeopardy. I really haven't a clue as to why I think this though.
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I predict the gorsei will be the final villians. The big bosses of the final war.
The final villian for Luffy to face before he finds One Piece is Blackbeard.
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Somehow, I don't think that any of the Shichibukai, barring Kuma, are going to listen to the WG by the EoS.
If he's there, he'll probably be an independent, or he'll be palling around with Shanks.He'll have to fight Zoro someday. And the best time for that to happen is when he's part of the crew of the Pirate King.
