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Chapter 677: "Counter Hazard"
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Ahh, absolutely ecstatic to see Apoo again. Much moreso than Kid or Hawkins. But alas, I'm still very excited to see how this second alliance shapes up. Getting a better sense of Killer's personality is interesting, too.
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That would be the entire opposite of a good development.
Wasting characters is perharps one of the worst storytelling mistakes one can do. And Oda isn't too fond of it.
Let's not kid ourselves here. As much as we may like them we were introduced to the supernovas as minor characters. They did about as much as the Franky family in their introduction. Kidd, law, bonney, Drake and now hawkins and apoo seem to be developing more but I fail to remember any rule in writing that every single character must have a completed journey from beginning to end. Part of the supernovas purpose was to show the different paths of the grandline as well as their dangers. We saw Urouge headed towards an island full of lightening. We saw bonney captured. We don't see Bepo with his captain. If any of those people are dead it wouldn't be out of nowhere. These are pirates who risk their lives everyday, the new world is SUPPOSED to be dangerous and character death showcases that easily and powerfully. Using the death of a minor character to give a main character a "Oh shit I need to take this seriously" moment is classic and is just an upgrade of the weaker character getting taken down by an opponent to showcase it's power. It's not bad storytelling unless it's DONE badly A.K.A the renji/yamcha situations.
For you to claim that's "wasting a character" is extremely shortsighted and insulting to me, Jonny and Ussaku(sp?), Magellan, the Kraken, Vivi, Geduso, Paulie, etc. All those characters who got development but did their part in the story and are now regulated to getting a single image of them every 50 or so chapters that shows you them looking at a newspaper or sitting at a desk. And there's nothing wrong with that.
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If the Luffy/Law alliance is referred to as the "Straw Hearts", what is this new alliance called?
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Let's not kid ourselves here. As much as we may like them we were introduced to the supernovas as background characters. They about as much as the cranky family in their introduction. Kidd, law, bonney Drake and now hawkins seem to be developing more but I fail to remember any rule in writing that every single character must have a completed journey from beginning to end. Part of the supernovas purpose was to show the different paths of the grandline as well as their dangers. We saw Urouge headed towards an island full of lightening. We saw bonney captured. We don't see Bepo with his captain. If any of those people are dead it wouldn't be out of nowhere. These are pirates who risk their lives everyday, the new world is SUPPOSED to be dangerous and character death showcases that. Using the death of a minor character
Oda's a much better writer than that. Using death is a cheap way to provide hype for the New World. We already have that hype without minor deaths to which most fans won't feel an emotional connection. Marineford, the Shobondy seperation, The idea of Yonko, when we first learned that the first half is called "Paradise," Kidd's disfigurement, the panels of the supernovas when they first arrived, even on Punk Hazard the hype is still being pushed. Brownbeard's story, for example, and we saw Luffy get his ass handed to him in seconds by freaking caesar clown. Even the Caribou stuff, with him begin so weak was hyping for the new world. There is already so much hype about the new world that we do not need someone like urgogue and bege to die randomly offscreen, or even onscreen. You are right, it would not be out of nowhere and that is why it wont happen. Because its freaking Oda. Whatever happens WILL be out of nowhere, well, itll seem that way but really there are prolly subtle hints. Also, the comment about "I fail to remember any rule in writing," well, this sounds cliche but the best writers often break those rules. And I think we can agree that Oda is a very good writer. And also, them not dying(yet) doesnt mean they will complete their journey. That's also the beauty of One Piece is the characters really cant complete their journey, because they mostly want to be PK, and Luffy will do that.
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Oda's a much better writer than that. Using death is a cheap way to provide hype for the New World. We already have that hype without minor deaths to which most fans won't feel an emotional connection. Marineford, the Shobondy seperation, The idea of Yonko, when we first learned that the first half is called "Paradise," Kidd's disfigurement, the panels of the supernovas when they first arrived, even on Punk Hazard the hype is still being pushed. Brownbeard's story, for example, and we saw Luffy get his ass handed to him in seconds by freaking caesar clown. Even the Caribou stuff, with him begin so weak was hyping for the new world. There is already so much hype about the new world that we do not need someone like urgogue and bege to die randomly offscreen, or even onscreen. You are right, it would not be out of nowhere and that is why it wont happen. Because its freaking Oda. Whatever happens WILL be out of nowhere, well, itll seem that way but really there are prolly subtle hints. Also, the comment about "I fail to remember any rule in writing," well, this sounds cliche but the best writers often break those rules. And I think we can agree that Oda is a very good writer. And also, them not dying(yet) doesnt mean they will complete their journey. That's also the beauty of One Piece is the characters really cant complete their journey, because they mostly want to be PK, and Luffy will do that.
Oda's also a much better writer than having Moria loose in one of the most bullshit ways possible but he still did it because he's a fantastic writer but a fantastic writer know's when to use cliche's and when not to. There is NO evidence or reason that you can provide as to why, in a story with literraly hundreds of characters and dozens and dozens of them active right now, we need to get updates on where Urouge and Capone are. There simply isn't. I can understand that you don't WANT it to happen. I can understand that you dont EXPECT it to happen. I don't even EXPECT it. But to imply that character death is a some hack job, amateur bullshit when most of the great writers of our time and idk, EVER have used it is plain false. You are welcome to continue to defend your position however you have already started to veer off into the nonsensical when you said Oda has never done anything predictable. He's good, and we're all fanboy's here but that's just a silly thing to say.
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Oda's also a much better writer than having Moria loose in one of the most bullshit ways possible but he still did it because he's a fantastic writer but a fantastic writer know's when to use cliche's and when not to. There is NO evidence or reason that you can provide as to why, in a story with literraly hundreds of characters and dozens and dozens of them active right now, we need to get updates on where Urouge and Capone are. There simply isn't. I can understand that you don't WANT it to happen. I can understand that you dont EXPECT it to happen. I don't even EXPECT it. But to imply that character death is a some hack job, amateur bullshit when most of the great writers of our time and idk, EVER have used it is plain false. You are welcome to continue to defend your position however you have already started to veer off into the nonsensical when you said Oda has never done anything predictable. He's good, and we're all fanboy's here but that's just a silly thing to say.
Well, first off I never said he's never done anything predictable. He has done that. And I never said we need "updates" on where they are. I'm just saying they are not dead yet. And I guess I cant say that with 100 percent certainty, but that's because I can never say anything with 100 percent certainty. And yes, I did veer off a lot, my fanboyishness caught up with me. However, you completely disregarded my points about how we already have a button of hype for the new world. Not to mention that the supernovas werent even supposed to be introduced UNTIL the new world.
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Luffy may not become a Yonkou but he will have territory (See: FI). It's the NW, baby, things've to be done in a big way. Alliances're standard, so's territory. Cast your mind back to the Imperial age during the 1800's - a lot of the world was dominated by British, French and Dutch forces, however, that did not mean that other nations were unable to either claim and subsequently protect their own territories from the aforementioned Empires, like Germany or Portugal or remain independent like Ethiopia.
Basically, what I'm saying with regards to OP is, if you're strong enough to survive without a Yonkou and maintain your own separate territories then it can happen. For instance, Brownbeard tried his luck, admittedly, he fxcked it, but it's not unfathomable for a non-Yonkou to take territory within the NW, or even stay independent from any exterior control, like Wano, right? This may not be a possibility yet, however, anything could be possible for the 'Worst Generation'.
Effectively, Luffy'll've territory by the end of this Manga, and I believe an abundance of it. Same goes for some of the other Supernovae, I'm sure.
As for the other Supernovae, I reckon Bege's fxcked it, Urouge's on form, Drake's with Kaidou, after having his ass handed to him, Ace vs. WB style, I can't say too much about Bonney - something special's happened there and that's for sure. No other Supernova's become the 7th Shichibukai. I'm still holding out for Buggy, T B H.
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Let's not kid ourselves here. As much as we may like them we were introduced to the supernovas as minor characters. They did about as much as the Franky family in their introduction. Kidd, law, bonney, Drake and now hawkins and apoo seem to be developing more but I fail to remember any rule in writing that every single character must have a completed journey from beginning to end. Part of the supernovas purpose was to show the different paths of the grandline as well as their dangers. We saw Urouge headed towards an island full of lightening. We saw bonney captured. We don't see Bepo with his captain. If any of those people are dead it wouldn't be out of nowhere. These are pirates who risk their lives everyday, the new world is SUPPOSED to be dangerous and character death showcases that easily and powerfully. Using the death of a minor character to give a main character a "Oh shit I need to take this seriously" moment is classic and is just an upgrade of the weaker character getting taken down by an opponent to showcase it's power. It's not bad storytelling unless it's DONE badly A.K.A the renji/yamcha situations.
For you to claim that's "wasting a character" is extremely shortsighted and insulting to me, Jonny and Ussaku(sp?), Magellan, the Kraken, Vivi, Geduso, Paulie, etc. All those characters who got development but did their part in the story and are now regulated to getting a single image of them every 50 or so chapters that shows you them looking at a newspaper or sitting at a desk. And there's nothing wrong with that.
Oda's also a much better writer than having Moria loose in one of the most bullshit ways possible but he still did it because he's a fantastic writer but a fantastic writer know's when to use cliche's and when not to. There is NO evidence or reason that you can provide as to why, in a story with literraly hundreds of characters and dozens and dozens of them active right now, we need to get updates on where Urouge and Capone are. There simply isn't. I can understand that you don't WANT it to happen. I can understand that you dont EXPECT it to happen. I don't even EXPECT it. But to imply that character death is a some hack job, amateur bullshit when most of the great writers of our time and idk, EVER have used it is plain false. You are welcome to continue to defend your position however you have already started to veer off into the nonsensical when you said Oda has never done anything predictable. He's good, and we're all fanboy's here but that's just a silly thing to say.
To paraphrase, "death of peripheral and minor characters to provide growth for the main character(s) is not amateurish since it is a device that has been used by most of the greatest writers of all time" - pretty broad statement there.
Also, the characters you mentioned (except 'Geduso', who I don't know, so can't comment) didn't die and were important or at least important-ish when they were about. So naturally, nobody will consider them 'wasted'. The situation's different with the Supernovas, who, um, haven't done anything (excepting Luffy, Zoro, and Law).
Luffy may not become a Yonkou but he will have territory (See: FI). It's the NW, baby, things've to be done in a big way. Alliances're standard, so's territory. Cast your mind back to the Imperial age during the 1800's - a lot of the world was dominated by British, French and Dutch forces, however, that did not mean that other nations were unable to either claim and subsequently protect their own territories from the aforementioned Empires, like Germany or Portugal or remain independent like Ethiopia.
Basically, what I'm saying with regards to OP is, if you're strong enough to survive without a Yonkou and maintain your own separate territories then it can happen. For instance, Brownbeard tried his luck, admittedly, he fxcked it, but it's not unfathomable for a non-Yonkou to take territory within the NW, or even stay independent from any exterior control, like Wano, right? This may not be a possibility yet, however, anything could be possible for the 'Worst Generation'.
Effectively, Luffy'll've territory by the end of this Manga, and I believe an abundance of it. Same goes for some of the other Supernovae, I'm sure.
As for the other Supernovae, I reckon Bege's fxcked it, Urouge's on form, Drake's with Kaidou, after having his ass handed to him, Ace vs. WB style, I can't say too much about Bonney - something special's happened there and that's for sure. No other Supernova's become the 7th Shichibukai. I'm still holding out for Buggy, T B H.
Just ought to point out that, as far as I'm aware, nations like Germany and Portugal didn;t do so much in terms of taking territory from Britain and France and the like - Portugal had a much older empire in Africa and South America and India than the others and mostly just held onto that. Germany only popped up in 1871 and just obtained mostly minor and insignificant territory in the Pacific and jumped in in time to grab some of the less choice parts in the Scramble for Africa. Otherwise, I like your analogy ;)
That said, I don't think Luffy will build up any great amount of territory. Sure he's going to claim Fishman Island, but beyond that? Who's going to defend all that territory for him? Not the other Supernovas, surely.
Also, pre-timeskip Shichibukai + Law + Buggy still only makes 6, I think. So, Bege? He would make a cool one, until Blackbeard kills him and takes his power to store Sanjuan Wolf in his belly.
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Well, first off I never said he's never done anything predictable. He has done that. And I never said we need "updates" on where they are. I'm just saying they are not dead yet. And I guess I cant say that with 100 percent certainty, but that's because I can never say anything with 100 percent certainty. And yes, I did veer off a lot, my fanboyishness caught up with me. However, you completely disregarded my points about how we already have a button of hype for the new world. Not to mention that the supernovas werent even supposed to be introduced UNTIL the new world.
1. You certainly implied it when you said 'Whatever he does WILL be out of nowhere" but I digress
2. Unless he were to just never speak of them again, aside from dying, of course there will be, at least one more "update: on where they are. The majority of other characters that have fulfilled their purpose in their respective arc has received this and that's why i brought this up, i never claimed you did.
3. You can't say what with 100% certainty? I literally don't know what you are trying to say here.
4. I disregarded it because it's semantics. I never spoke about "hype". Everything you mentioned was hype. However i'll acknowledge it if you wish.
Marineford I have no idea what this was supposed to mean the Shobondy seperation, yes and this worked effectively The idea of Yonko, No, we've known about them for hundreds of chapters, in no way does that hype up the new world at this point when we first learned that the first half is called "Paradise," Yes and that was effective Kidd's disfigurement, Not really, maybe for you but luffy and zoro both got significant injuries in "training" the panels of the supernovas when they first arrived, The hell does that have to do with anything? even on Punk Hazard the hype is still being pushed. I guess? Brownbeard's story, for example, Not really, he's shown himself to be tougher than we'd have thought but that means… what? and we saw Luffy get his ass handed to him in seconds by freaking caesar clown. That has been hotly debated on this very forum and the fact remains his power is broken, nearly as much as laws so that isn't a good comparison. Even the Caribou stuff, with him begin so weak was hyping for the new world.None of the things you mentioned made any of the characters bat an eyelash except for the obvious separation and therefore wasn't an 'Oh shit" moment. Remember the supernovas are supposed to be parallels of each other. For one of them to see that another one died on their journey would have had more of an impact. Luffy might not have cared if Apoo died, but Kidd might have. Luffy almost certainly would have been taken aback if Kidd or Law died though and that's natural storytelling that once again and this is important, the supernova's are supposed to represent parrallels. 7 paths, 9 crews, it's to be expected that not everyone would survive considering how dangerous the grandline and now the new world is supposed to be. Luffy's crew surviving sure, Kidd and Law? Ok. But all 9 crews? That almost goes against everything Oda has told us about the dangers of the Grandline and New world. However that's not the point and Oda's gone out of his way to explain that these guys are something special but the point still is there.
5. The supernova's weren't introduced back on Shabondy?
http://w11.zetaboards.com/OnePieceNewWorld/index/
Originally Posted by The Laughing Man
Let's just be honest here: The Watchmen movie was a complete and utter, extremely boring, blue man penis filled abomination.
And I don't even feel this way, it's just a hilarious quote.
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1. You certainly implied it when you said 'Whatever he does WILL be out of nowhere" but I digress
2. Unless he were to just never speak of them again, aside from dying, of course there will be, at least one more "update: on where they are. The majority of other characters that have fulfilled their purpose in their respective arc has received this and that's why i brought this up, i never claimed you did.
3. You can't say what with 100% certainty? I literally don't know what you are trying to say here.
4. I disregarded it because it's semantics. I never spoke about "hype". Everything you mentioned was hype. However i'll acknowledge it if you wish.
Marineford I have no idea what this was supposed to mean the Shobondy seperation, yes and this worked effectively The idea of Yonko, No, we've known about them for hundreds of chapters, in no way does that hype up the new world at this point when we first learned that the first half is called "Paradise," Yes and that was effective Kidd's disfigurement, Not really, maybe for you but luffy and zoro both got significant injuries in "training" the panels of the supernovas when they first arrived, The hell does that have to do with anything? even on Punk Hazard the hype is still being pushed. I guess? Brownbeard's story, for example, Not really, he's shown himself to be tougher than we'd have thought but that means… what? and we saw Luffy get his ass handed to him in seconds by freaking caesar clown. That has been hotly debated on this very forum and the fact remains his power is broken, nearly as much as laws so that isn't a good comparison. Even the Caribou stuff, with him begin so weak was hyping for the new world.None of the things you mentioned made any of the characters bat an eyelash except for the obvious separation and therefore wasn't an 'Oh shit" moment. Remember the supernovas are supposed to be parallels of each other. For one of them to see that another one died on their journey would have had more of an impact. Luffy might not have cared if Apoo died, but Kidd might have. Luffy almost certainly would have been taken aback if Kidd or Law died though and that's natural storytelling that once again and this is important, the supernova's are supposed to represent parrallels. 7 paths, 9 crews, it's to be expected that not everyone would survive considering how dangerous the grandline and now the new world is supposed to be. Luffy's crew surviving sure, Kidd and Law? Ok. But all 9 crews? That almost goes against everything Oda has told us about the dangers of the Grandline and New world. However that's not the point and Oda's gone out of his way to explain that these guys are something special but the point still is there.
5. The supernova's weren't introduced back on Shabondy?
Editors thought Oda could introduce them in Sabaody to add more to the saga, but they were originally going to appear in the NW, i guess their originally appearance was the post-TS one too. Knowing that, it's obvious he wouldn't kill none of them.
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@Devil:
Editors thought Oda could introduce them in Sabaody to add more to the saga, but they were originally going to appear in the NW, i guess their originally appearance was the post-TS one too.
I've read this before, as well as that Oda quickly sketched out their designs in 3 hours. Evidence?
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I've read this before, as well as that Oda quickly sketched out their designs in 3 hours. Evidence?
You got me. I'm going to search the source, but it seems way more logical than other things Oda supposedly say but were proven to be false.
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http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=29195&page=39
Kawashima: During the W7 arc, after they parted with Merry, I was assigned to One Piece from the chapter where Garp shows up.
That chapter happened to be ranked number 1 in the weekly poll with a massive margin over other manga, and that's when I realized how awesome this series was.
Oonishi: I started from the chapter where Kid, Law, and other Supernova Rookies showed up. But they weren't originally planned.
Watanabe: What!? Really!?
Oonishi: It was already decided that the crew will be separated at SA, but we figured that may not be enough to spice things up.
That's when Mr Oda said "Would it be more interesting if bunch of new characters showed up?"
Then 3 hours after that, he not only finished the designs of all of them, but had the fixed name ("name" is manga term for rough draft of the chapter) with all of them already drawn in.I don't think they are assistants, sounds more like editors.
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Thanks!
I'm working my way through that thread now, but as best as I can tell, there's nothing on Oda having originally planned them for the new world then bumping them forward, except speculation.
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http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=29195&page=42
Yep, I was right. The guys were editors, not assistants.
Reading right now….
Haha, the guy interviewing all the past editors is Hattori.
You know, the guy who got famous as the expert editor character in Bakuman.
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1. You certainly implied it when you said 'Whatever he does WILL be out of nowhere" but I digress
2. Unless he were to just never speak of them again, aside from dying, of course there will be, at least one more "update: on where they are. The majority of other characters that have fulfilled their purpose in their respective arc has received this and that's why i brought this up, i never claimed you did.
3. You can't say what with 100% certainty? I literally don't know what you are trying to say here.
4. I disregarded it because it's semantics. I never spoke about "hype". Everything you mentioned was hype. However i'll acknowledge it if you wish.
Marineford I have no idea what this was supposed to mean the Shobondy seperation, yes and this worked effectively The idea of Yonko, No, we've known about them for hundreds of chapters, in no way does that hype up the new world at this point when we first learned that the first half is called "Paradise," Yes and that was effective Kidd's disfigurement, Not really, maybe for you but luffy and zoro both got significant injuries in "training" the panels of the supernovas when they first arrived, The hell does that have to do with anything? even on Punk Hazard the hype is still being pushed. I guess? Brownbeard's story, for example, Not really, he's shown himself to be tougher than we'd have thought but that means… what? and we saw Luffy get his ass handed to him in seconds by freaking caesar clown. That has been hotly debated on this very forum and the fact remains his power is broken, nearly as much as laws so that isn't a good comparison. Even the Caribou stuff, with him begin so weak was hyping for the new world.None of the things you mentioned made any of the characters bat an eyelash except for the obvious separation and therefore wasn't an 'Oh shit" moment. Remember the supernovas are supposed to be parallels of each other. For one of them to see that another one died on their journey would have had more of an impact. Luffy might not have cared if Apoo died, but Kidd might have. Luffy almost certainly would have been taken aback if Kidd or Law died though and that's natural storytelling that once again and this is important, the supernova's are supposed to represent parrallels. 7 paths, 9 crews, it's to be expected that not everyone would survive considering how dangerous the grandline and now the new world is supposed to be. Luffy's crew surviving sure, Kidd and Law? Ok. But all 9 crews? That almost goes against everything Oda has told us about the dangers of the Grandline and New world. However that's not the point and Oda's gone out of his way to explain that these guys are something special but the point still is there.
Ah, you know what, I have to apologize. After rereading my initial post I realize I definitely did more thatn imply that Oda isnt predictable. And to 4, if you never mentioned hype then there is no need to discuss it. I wasnt very clearn on the hypings anyway. Fun short argument tho!
But, even tho not killing off some characters could be interpreted as going against the hype odas built, we do know that oda doesnt really kill characters unless its for a plot reason. And I dont think hed have gone through the trouble of creating their timeskip designs if he wasnt going to showcase them. OH okay. Okay. Wait. I thought you were saying that Oda was going to kill them off during the timeskip. Okay, you're saying that they will die during the story. Ok, that I can agree with. Although the point still stands that Oda doesnt like to kill off characters except for plot(although recently theres been a lot more fodder death). So, maybe they'll die for a plot reason. It'll be interesting to see how he handles death in the New World.
Nice avatar, btw, one of my favorite scenes in naruto is in the first part when he defeats that rock guy after using the butterfly mode and collapses beneath the tree after seeing the messages on the trunk. -
Ah, you know what, I have to apologize. After rereading my initial post I realize I definitely did more thatn imply that Oda isnt predictable. And to 4, if you never mentioned hype then there is no need to discuss it. I wasnt very clearn on the hypings anyway. Fun short argument tho!
But, even tho not killing off some characters could be interpreted as going against the hype odas built, we do know that oda doesnt really kill characters unless its for a plot reason. And I dont think hed have gone through the trouble of creating their timeskip designs if he wasnt going to showcase them. OH okay. Okay. Wait. I thought you were saying that Oda was going to kill them off during the timeskip. Okay, you're saying that they will die during the story. Ok, that I can agree with. Although the point still stands that Oda doesnt like to kill off characters except for plot(although recently theres been a lot more fodder death). So, maybe they'll die for a plot reason. It'll be interesting to see how he handles death in the New World.
Nice avatar, btw, one of my favorite scenes in naruto is in the first part when he defeats that rock guy after using the butterfly mode and collapses beneath the tree after seeing the messages on the trunk.Ok cool, I didn't have much steam left in me anyway (My debating days are behind me) but as I said you make a point and even though I think it'd be cool most likely you're gonna be right and he's not gonna kill any of em off. But we all have our own little interpretation of things. And thanks about the Avie, it's the first and last time Choji did anything awesome. Have to showcase that as much as possible lol.
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Let's not kid ourselves here. As much as we may like them we were introduced to the supernovas as minor characters. They did about as much as the Franky family in their introduction. Kidd, law, bonney, Drake and now hawkins and apoo seem to be developing more but I fail to remember any rule in writing that every single character must have a completed journey from beginning to end. Part of the supernovas purpose was to show the different paths of the grandline as well as their dangers. We saw Urouge headed towards an island full of lightening. We saw bonney captured. We don't see Bepo with his captain. If any of those people are dead it wouldn't be out of nowhere. These are pirates who risk their lives everyday, the new world is SUPPOSED to be dangerous and character death showcases that easily and powerfully. Using the death of a minor character to give a main character a "Oh shit I need to take this seriously" moment is classic and is just an upgrade of the weaker character getting taken down by an opponent to showcase it's power. It's not bad storytelling unless it's DONE badly A.K.A the renji/yamcha situations.
For you to claim that's "wasting a character" is extremely shortsighted and insulting to me, Jonny and Ussaku(sp?), Magellan, the Kraken, Vivi, Geduso, Paulie, etc. All those characters who got development but did their part in the story and are now regulated to getting a single image of them every 50 or so chapters that shows you them looking at a newspaper or sitting at a desk. And there's nothing wrong with that.
Well, the thing is, if Oda only wanted to show us the dangers of the different routes, then he would have created only 8 supernovas (6 if you exclude Luffy and Zoro), because there where only 7 routes possible.
Or are you saying that Urouge's purpose in the story was for Oda to show us that there is an island in the New World where it rains lightning all the time?
He could have done this with any random character, he didn't need to give it a name, a title, a bounty and introduce him more than 100 chapters before.
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If the Luffy/Law alliance is referred to as the "Straw Hearts", what is this new alliance called?
It kind of reminds me of The Beat-Alls from Powerpuff Girls. Especially considering Apoo's outfit.Magic, Music & Magnets. Or MM&M, for short.
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i badly wanna know where bebo, bonney, urouge and capone is at, thats like the must know atm for me, closely followed up by Zoro meet up whit tashigi, im gonna predict zoro getting a new sword, and giving hes original katana to tashigi, call me nuts all u want, i believe the katana will choose her.
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The 'are you Kidin' me? We're fHawkin' On Air' Pirates, surely.
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Hmmm, this chapter really don't support my wish of seing Luffy, Law and Kidd vs big Mom, Killer et Zoro vs Pekoms, and Sanji and Bepo vs Tamago, since Kidd seems to run his own buisness with Hawkins and Apoo, so right now it doesnt seem to likely that he will join up with Luffy and Law…
Still absolutely loved the chapter though!
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If the Luffy/Law alliance is referred to as the "Straw Hearts", what is this new alliance called?
It kind of reminds me of The Beat-Alls from Powerpuff Girls. Especially considering Apoo's outfit.Suddenly an image of those three in the Beat-Alls outfit. Someone needs to draw this :ninja:
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Regarding my post, I meant bounties of characters that are assumed dead…. :ninja:
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@Law:
Roger was not a yonkou but he was the pirate king.
Already been stated that we don't know whether the Yonko existed back then, nor has it been stated that he wasn't one.
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http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/95053865/1 Mangastream's translation is out.
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@Law:
Roger was not a yonkou but he was the pirate king.
it was another time, the yonkuo didn't exist during roger's. luffy will be a yonkou, he's about to take his first territory, fishman island
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Would have looked better in MS' scanlation if in Kid's intro box it had said just: "Eustass 'Captain' Kid" rather than "Captain Eustass 'Captain' Kid". But that's me nitpicking
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Would have looked better in MS' scanlation if in Kid's intro box it had said just: "Eustass 'Captain' Kid" rather than "Captain Eustass 'Captain' Kid". But that's me nitpicking
It actually says, Kid Pirates Captain "Eustass "Captain" Kid" …
Spoiler:
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I loved this chapter, makes me sad when I remember I have to wait another week for a new chapter to come out.
Anyway, I think that, when (or if) the Luffy/Law alliance brings down a yonkou, one of the supernovas will become a yonkou. My theory is Kidd, but you never know. Luffy wouldn't, for sure.
I don't understand that reference.
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@D:
It actually says, Kid Pirates Captain "Eustass "Captain" Kid" …
I don't get it, are you correcting me on using ' instead of "?
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The Mangastream translation was a lot clearer. Both, scan and translation wise, seemed at least. So Law basically switched the cuffs and then cut them, just like he switched Smoker's and Tashigi's souls. Third time reading the chapter overall, it's still pretty damn great.
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I don't get it, are you correcting me on using ' instead of "?
I believe what he is pointing out is how it says Kid Pirates Captain as his description and then it says, "Eustass "Captain" Kid" as his name/title.
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Well, I think it is certain that Akainu will be killed / lands in Impel Down by the end of the series. Now the only Marines I could see stepping up are
- Aokiji
- Smoker
All the other high ranking marines either share Akainu's view or they are simply not developed enough.
Now I think that Smoker isn't really after the Fleet Admiral position. I can see him as an Admiral at the end, with Aokiji returning and taking over.As for Smoker's current development, well my picture of Luffy's nemesis is as good as shattered. At this point he doesn't seem to be a threat to any of the big names. I know it isn't the first time that a VA got toyed with by a Shichibkukai (see Doflamingo, Hancock), but I always thought Smoker is an exception and that his rank will never really reflect his strength (due to his behaviour).
But that isn't the case, sadly. No matter how you look at it, he got defeated by Law, fair and square. He wasn't ambushed / surprised by it like Sanji and Franky, and he perfectly knew how Law's devil fruit works. He even acted like the all-knowing smartass on how to tackle his ability. But then he gets oneshotted just like that.! http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120406235435/onepiece/images/b/bc/Law_defeats_Smoker.jpg
! Somehow reminds me of that bad "I got your nose" meme.I'm starting to think that "Garp cornering Roger several times" might be just that, Garp seriously confronting Roger when he started his journey, but just hopelessly chasing after him at a certain point.
In any case, I hope Smoker kicks some ass, now that he isn't needed anymore to make Law look like a badass. Defeating CC is a good start.
I always thought that Smoker was caught off guard in that match. He couldn't see through that rock and he had no idea what Law was gonna do next. I agree that it's not like Sanji and Franky where they had no idea that Law was going to do anything while Smoker was in a legit fight, but it's something I guess. Smoker allowed Law to find an opening, but I would hope it doesn't happen again.
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Yes, but she's in front of the giant lever Law's casually resting his hand on in the foreground.
I don't really see what that has to do with anything. Are you trying to say she's substantially smaller than the lever than she should be? Because I think the lever is just really big. I mean they all look relatively small when compared to it.
Edit: Oh wait, do you mean how the lever is practically over her head, while it's slightly over waist height for Law? If that's what you mean, I can see that Oda may have drawn Tashigi lower than he should have. Because the height seems fine. Or maybe Law, Smoker, and Luffy are on slightly higher ground, because they seem to be right on the edge of a surface, which may be slightly elevated. I don't know, looking at it now does seem a little off. But I didn't really notice anything until I looked at it thoroughly. So I don't think it's THAT off.
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I believe what he is pointing out is how it says Kid Pirates Captain as his description and then it says, "Eustass "Captain" Kid" as his name/title.
Ah I see, thanks
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The Mangastream trans also makes it clear that Caesar is still thinking of Franky's Pacifista-esque body and how he'll examine the corpse once they're dead; everyone has seemed pretty worried that plot point was forgotten.
Like the Avatar? / Like the Miis?Dragalia Lost ID: 97617932505
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Because kid was in the chapter this is on topic lol.
Would have looked better in MS' scanlation if in Kid's intro box it had said just: "Eustass 'Captain' Kid" rather than "Captain Eustass 'Captain' Kid". But that's me nitpicking
He is based off a real pirate which is why he has that name also the song in the amv was made based on the real pirate!
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Still not making sense how if Apoo's bounty rose above Hawkins that he isn't part of the worst generation. I assumed that if you "cause a stir" in the NW like Brownbeard said the Worst Generation did you'd have the highest bounties. As for Drake, I'm going to put all chips on he is like Kaido's Ace with less love and father/son bonding LOL. As for hyping the NW I'd say the islands the SNs were on, Blackbeard's DF hunt, and the 'stronger' SN appearances were very good hype. Still this chapter proves Oda slipped up earlier when he had Kid's right arm as the mechanical one while he was hidden. Kid and Killer look badass, Apoo looks much better than I though he would from the preview Oda drew.
Being a Kid fanboy I have to jump in on the Luffy/Kid bounty debate. Luffy did more than Kid as far as we know, he also had a lot of what he did covered up like beating Moria. However Kid slaughtered many civilians, the job of the Marines is to serve and protect. If Kid is killing civilians then he is a direct affront to what the Marines' stated mission is. Which is why Kid's pirating is more of a threat than Luffy's at least that's how the Marines/WG want to portray it. In reality Luffy has caused more damage than Kid and is far more dangerous, he even declared war on them. But publicly Kid is a threat to civilians and his act of massacring people is basically saying to the marines "you can't protect those who you are sworn to protect"
#45lyfer
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@Law:
Because kid was in the chapter this is on topic lol.
He is based off a real pirate which is why he has that name also the song in the amv was made based on the real pirate!
I was questioning the way MS worded it, I know he is based off the real pirate William 'Captain' Kidd.
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Still not making sense how if Apoo's bounty rose above Hawkins that he isn't part of the worst generation. I assumed that if you "cause a stir" in the NW like Brownbeard said the Worst Generation did you'd have the highest bounties. As for Drake, I'm going to put all chips on he is like Kaido's Ace with less love and father/son bonding LOL. As for hyping the NW I'd say the islands the SNs were on, Blackbeard's DF hunt, and the 'stronger' SN appearances were very good hype. Still this chapter proves Oda slipped up earlier when he had Kid's right arm as the mechanical one while he was hidden. Kid and Killer look badass, Apoo looks much better than I though he would from the preview Oda drew.
Being a Kid fanboy I have to jump in on the Luffy/Kid bounty debate. Luffy did more than Kid as far as we know, he also had a lot of what he did covered up like beating Moria. However Kid slaughtered many civilians, the job of the Marines is to serve and protect. If Kid is killing civilians then he is a direct affront to what the Marines' stated mission is. Which is why Kid's pirating is more of a threat than Luffy's at least that's how the Marines/WG want to portray it. In reality Luffy has caused more damage than Kid and is far more dangerous, he even declared war on them. But publicly Kid is a threat to civilians and his act of massacring people is basically saying to the marines "you can't protect those who you are sworn to protect"
Hawkins is the one that fked brownbeard up so he would have added him to the list even if he did not get a bounty increase.
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Oh I figured it out guys. Apoo wasn't listed as part of the worst generation because he's the best. Cue Hawkins Vegeta'esk respect speech to Apoo
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The 'are you Kidin' me? We're fHawkin' On Air' Pirates, surely.
Best. Name. Ever.
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@Galaxy:
Already been stated that we don't know whether the Yonko existed back then, nor has it been stated that he wasn't one.
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http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/95053865/1 Mangastream's translation is out.
Thank you very much. Very much appreciated.
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@Law:
Because kid was in the chapter this is on topic lol.
He is based off a real pirate which is why he has that name also the song in the amv was made based on the real pirate!
Is it weird that I really enjoy hearing that song? :ninja:
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Still not making sense how if Apoo's bounty rose above Hawkins that he isn't part of the worst generation. I assumed that if you "cause a stir" in the NW like Brownbeard said the Worst Generation did you'd have the highest bounties. As for Drake, I'm going to put all chips on he is like Kaido's Ace with less love and father/son bonding LOL. As for hyping the NW I'd say the islands the SNs were on, Blackbeard's DF hunt, and the 'stronger' SN appearances were very good hype. Still this chapter proves Oda slipped up earlier when he had Kid's right arm as the mechanical one while he was hidden. Kid and Killer look badass, Apoo looks much better than I though he would from the preview Oda drew.
Maybe it increased because of his fabulous fashion sens- /shot
@Galaxy:
Already been stated that we don't know whether the Yonko existed back then, nor has it been stated that he wasn't one.
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http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/95053865/1 Mangastream's translation is out.
Aaah, mangastream, how much I miss your translations making some sense. At least it cleared up
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@worst generation discussion
Or perhaps, he didn't freaking feel like jotting out ELEVEN NAMES so just mentioned the few notable ones off the top of his head?
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@worst generation discussion
Or perhaps, he didn't freaking feel like jotting out ELEVEN NAMES so just mentioned the few notable ones off the top of his head?
Exactly he called them the worst generation which means all of them however we did learn that Blackbeard was included due to the fact he started being a threat around the same time as the other supernovas also i think bonney was rescued by the rev army like robin was and is working for them now.
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Or perhaps, he didn't freaking feel like jotting out ELEVEN NAMES so just mentioned the few notable ones off the top of his head?
Aohige to the rescue again.
The only being within this forum I know that makes sense in ALL OF HIS POSTS.
ALL OF THEM.Oh I figured it out guys. Apoo wasn't listed as part of the worst generation because he's the best. Cue Hawkins Vegeta'esk respect speech to Apoo
…why is my avatar so accurate right now?
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I missed guys like JERK DISEASE policing the forums… Back then most posts are quality posts. And he's funny too.
On topic: I'm really hyped about this SN alliances happening around. It will be fun if Apoo and Hawkins reject the proposal because they're already allied with the enemy, and Kidd conveniently found his place again with Law and Luffy. I also want backstory on Kidd's metal arm as bad as Zoro's closed eye. Oda really puts great details on Kidd's arm, I really respect how he work.
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@worst generation discussion
Or perhaps, he didn't freaking feel like jotting out ELEVEN NAMES so just mentioned the few notable ones off the top of his head?
Exactly what i think, it isn't like he had to name the ones with the highest bounties in order, that would be cheap for me. Also, Hawkins cut his legs off, of course he has to remind him xD
why is my avatar so accurate right now?
…..that Apoo, i'm jealous
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@Devil:
…..that Apoo, i'm jealous
…..that Apoo, I threw up a little in my mouth
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