I'm just gonna drop this theory about Monet then if you did drop one about Viola.
https://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/2999579-There-s-Something-About-Monet-%28Nakama-Theory%29
Don't even argue with me without reading this first tho, I don't want to explain stuff over and over again.
Next Strawhat Crewmate (Vol. 6)
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She doesn't have a bounth yet because she worked under a warlord. Its not fujitoras choice to not give her a bounty. Its the government that makes bounties. They most likely have Doflamingos whole crew on file and will send out her bounty after his status has been revoked
Bear in mind that Teach hid in plain sight for years as part of Whitebeard's crew, yet seemingly never had a bounty, despite being strong enough to be considered for a commander's post.
Just being part of a pirate crew does not automatically earn a person a bounty.
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I can't believe you guys seriously would take Viola instead of Monet…
Both are generic and bland One Piece female characters . Not sure why anyone would want one over the other to join .
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Bear in mind that Teach hid in plain sight for years as part of Whitebeard's crew, yet seemingly never had a bounty, despite being strong enough to be considered for a commander's post.
Just being part of a pirate crew does not automatically earn a person a bounty.
But being an executive for a warlord does. And I don't remember him being considered for commander post. He jumped ship after stealing a devil fruit. He became known well known after capturing ace and breaking into impel down.
What is the real treasure hmmmmmmm?
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You've made some good points but I stick by my idea of her joining. Luffy wouldn't want things being spoiled of course but I'm sure he could see the use in having a lookout.
Why is a specific lookout position needed? Several crewmembers such as Usopp, Zoro, and Robin have done the role just fine throughout the years, and it's never been displayed as something of need.
He could also want her as a dancer.
Well, without taking into account that a dancer is not a role on a pirate ship, Luffy has shown no interest in her dancing capabilities and has no clue of them at all.
I also don't think the Admirals have the ability to override the governments bounties.
They have the ability to cover it up or stop bounty posters from being printed, as proven by Kuzan with the Franky Family.
They already had info on cutty flam so that's why franky got his bounty.
Franky's bounty was issued due to his involvement in the Enies Lobby incident, including the burning of the Pluton blueprints and his defeat of Fukuro.
http://orojackson.com/threads/viola-the-next-mugiwara.10832/
This thread is just full of coincidental things that could be applied to any character, if researched enough.
Also using that picture of Robin isn't a valid argument because its a color page.
It very much is. It's Oda's drawing and depicts Robin with a similar look to Viola. The addition of color is irrelevant to the point.
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Viola would do an excellent Lookout actually.
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I'm just gonna drop this theory about Monet then if you did drop one about Viola.
https://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/2999579-There-s-Something-About-Monet-(Nakama-Theory)
Don't even argue with me without reading this first tho, I don't want to explain stuff over and over again.Answer these questions very honestly :
Does she have a unique personality? Does she have a overarching dream ? Does she have any chemistry with the crew? Does she bring a unique skill to the crew ? Does she have a unqiue design ? Does she have a unique quirk ? And Is she overall a really unique character for the crew ? If not then she simple isn't joining . -
But being an executive for a warlord does. And I don't remember him being considered for commander post. He jumped ship after stealing a devil fruit. He became known well known after capturing ace and breaking into impel down.
Teach was a member of a Yonko's crew for decades.
And here's the page where he was considered for the position:
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But being an executive for a warlord does.
You say that like every warlord has the exact same structure underneath them.
Some of the them don't even have crews.
And I don't remember him being considered for commander post.
Ace mentioned it in his flashback when he was encouraged to pursue becoming commander of the second division of The Whitebeard Pirates.
He jumped ship after stealing a devil fruit.
Yeah….but he was a member of the crew for decades.
Hoping to find that fruit.
He became known well known after capturing ace and breaking into impel down.
Uhuh, after he stopped being just a crew member and started making a name for himself.
My point stands.
Just being a member of a pirate crew does not automatically mean you'll be assigned a bounty.
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@Galaxy:
Teach was a member of a Yonko's crew for decades.
And here's the page where he was considered for the position:
Thanks for the page link, buddy :)
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@Galaxy:
Why is a specific lookout position needed? Several crewmembers such as Usopp, Zoro, and Robin have done the role just fine throughout the years, and it's never been displayed as something of need.
Well, without taking into account that a dancer is not a role on a pirate ship, Luffy has shown no interest in her dancing capabilities and has no clue of them at all.
They have the ability to cover it up or stop bounty posters from being printed, as proven by Kuzan with the Franky Family.
Franky's bounty was issued due to his involvement in the Enies Lobby incident, including the burning of the Pluton blueprints and his defeat of Fukuro.
This thread is just full of coincidental things that could be applied to any character, if researched enough.
It very much is. It's Oda's drawing and depicts Robin with a similar look to Viola. The addition of color is irrelevant to the point.Well its different for a warlords crew. No one ever heard of the franky family in the world until enies lobby. Violet is already on file as a member of the warlords crew so after his title is revoked, she like every other major pirate in a warlords crew will be wanted. Luffy will find out she's a dancer sooner or later. And if you can apply what was in that thread to any female character in one piece I'd looove to hear it. Cause I garuntee that you can't. About the picture, Robin doesn't look like that in the manga so that cant be applied to her. She never puckers her lips like that.
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You say that like every warlord has the exact same structure underneath them.
Some of the them don't even have crews.
Ace mentioned it in his flashback when he was encouraged to pursue becoming commander of the second division of The Whitebeard Pirates.
Yeah….but he was a member of the crew for decades.
Hoping to find that fruit.
Uhuh, after he stopped being just a crew member and started making a name for himself.
My point stands.
Just being a member of a pirate crew does not automatically mean you'll be assigned a bounty.
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Thanks for the page link, buddy :)
Crews and organizations are similar. Crocodiles baroque works became wanted after he was taken down and lost his title. My point stands that warlords get bounties when they lose their title. We don't know what bb bounty was before he became a warlord, but it obviously went up after he left like jinbe. Your right about the last part but my point is that prominent members of warlords crews get bounties after their captain or former loses their title
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@Galaxy:
Teach was a member of a Yonko's crew for decades.
And here's the page where he was considered for the position:
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Thanks for the page, and if he actually became a commander it would make sense for him to be more well known. But obviously he wanted to law low on the ship so he could get the fruit he wanted.
What is the real treasure hmmmmmmm?
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Well its different for a warlords crew. No one ever heard of the franky family in the world until enies lobby.
So what about Teach and his position in the crew of a Yonko? He had no bounty and was unknown by the World Government.
The same could be said for Viola, a lower ranking member of the Donquixote Pirates.
Violet is already on file as a member of the warlords crew so after his title is revoked, she like every other major pirate in a warlords crew will be wanted.
You keep saying this, but where have we seen this being said? If it was Oda's purpose, he would be making a much bigger deal out of it than he is.
Luffy will find out she's a dancer sooner or later.
If it was going to be a key point, he would've found out much sooner. Just as he knew Brook was a musician when he met him, or how he found out Nami was a navigator when they met.
And if you can apply what was in that thread to any female character in one piece I'd looove to hear it. Cause I garuntee that you can't.
I'd rather not, because as I said, the thread is full of coincidental patterns and statements that are warped to fit.
And then a lot of it is just speculation.
About the picture, Robin doesn't look like that in the manga so that cant be applied to her. She never puckers her lips like that.
Again, this really isn't the point. If Oda can modify her appearance to look like Viola by switching the position of her hair and drawing her as puckering her lips, it fits.
Imagine that same color spread, but with Viola on it too.
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Crews and organizations are similar.
Ok, so that's two out of ten warlords that we've seen.
It can't be applied as a general rule.
Crocodiles baroque works became wanted after he was taken down and lost his title.
Crocodiles actively recruited already famous people to become members of his organisation, like he did with Zoro.
For all we know, guys like Daz/Galdino/Bentham already had bounties before becoming part of baroque works.
My point stands that warlords get bounties when they lose their title.
That doesn't make any sense.
We know for a fact that Doflamingo, Kuma, Hancock, Croc, Law, Jinbei, Moriah and Buggy all had bounties before they became Warlords.
We don't know what bb bounty was before he became a warlord, but it obviously went up after he left like jinbe.
From Blackbeard's talk of "laying low" while on Whitebeard's crew and the top brass' reaction to Lafitte name dropping him, it seems like he had no bounty whatsoever before he became a warlord.
Teach's bounty will have earned a bounty for all the things he's done (capturing Ace, invading ID and MF) not just for being a warlord.
my point is that prominent members of warlords crews get bounties after their captain or former loses their title
We don't know that for a fact is what I'm saying.
We've seen three former warlord subordinates with bounties, but they could just as easily have already had their bounties before they joined up with said warlords.
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So what about Teach and his position in the crew of a Yonko? He had no bounty and was unknown by the World Government.
The same could be said for Viola, a lower ranking member of the Donquixote Pirates.
You keep saying this, but where have we seen this being said? If it was Oda's purpose, he would be making a much bigger deal out of it than he is.
If it was going to be a key point, he would've found out much sooner. Just as he knew Brook was a musician when he met him, or how he found out Nami was a navigator when they met.
I'd rather not, because as I said, the thread is full of coincidental patterns and statements that are warped to fit.
And then a lot of it is just speculation.
Again, this really isn't the point. If Oda can modify her appearance to look like Viola by switching the position of her hair and drawing her as puckering her lips, it fits.
Imagine that same color spread, but with Viola on it too.Like I said wasnt a commander at the time so he shouldn't have been known that much or at all. And Violet is an executive of Dolfamingos crew. His executives are like the command equivalent of whitebeards commanders. The dancing thing can wait. He didn't know what robins profession was but let her on anyway. And I didn't think you could anywway cause Violet is the only one that parallels with Nami and Robin the most ojt of every female so far. Again,the picture, you say if oda can than it fits. But he didn't do it in the manga. Only the color pages which were made to be fun not actually part of the story.
What is the real treasure hmmmmmmm?
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I think I need to say that Luffy doesn't care for dancers.
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Ok, so that's two out of ten warlords that we've seen.
It can't be applied as a general rule.
Crocodiles actively recruited already famous people to become members of his organisation, like he did with Zoro.
For all we know, guys like Daz/Galdino/Bentham already had bounties before becoming part of baroque works.
That doesn't make any sense.
We know for a fact that Doflamingo, Kuma, Hancock, Croc, Law, Jinbei, Moriah and Buggy all had bounties before they became Warlords.
From Blackbeard's talk of "laying low" while on Whitebeard's crew and the top brass' reaction to Lafitte name dropping him, it seems like he had no bounty whatsoever before he became a warlord.
Teach's bounty will have earned a bounty for all the things he's done (capturing Ace, invading ID and MF) not just for being a warlord.
We don't know that for a fact is what I'm saying.
We've seen three former warlord subordinates with bounties, but they could just as easily have already had their bounties before they joined up with said warlords.It can be applied as a rule because every warlord that left or lost their title had their bounty go up (we haven't seen Law yet) so far. One a pirate isn't legal anymore theyre bounties are unfrozen.
what I meant was warlords get or have an increase in their bounties when they lose title.
Also BB did 2 of those things as a warlord. Then resigned.What is the real treasure hmmmmmmm?
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I think I need to say that Luffy doesn't care for dancers.
I doubt he wouldn't be attracted to a beau…ohh woops
What about Sanji. He can invite her to the swirlystraw crew.
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He didn't know about the drugging.
In fact, he started mobilizing the moment he heard about the drugging.
Touche! You are correct. The transition between flashback and present is what I forgot about. Didn't realize he learned the same day the Strawhats did. Looking at that flashback though…did Monet know all along that Law was an ex-member of DD's crew? She could have easily snuck and told Vergo or DD that Law was there.
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Like I said wasnt a commander at the time so he shouldn't have been known that much or at all. And Violet is an executive of Dolfamingos crew. His executives are like the command equivalent of whitebeards commanders.
He was a high ranking member that was at least well known enough within the crew to be considered for the position of division commander.
You're acting like he's a random grunt.
The dancing thing can wait. He didn't know what robins profession was but let her on anyway.
Yeah, because she stowed away on his ship and told him why she was joining the crew. She's the one exception, as I've said.
And I didn't think you could anywway cause Violet is the only one that parallels with Nami and Robin the most ojt of every female so far.
The post is full of convoluted speculation and coincidence. None of the patterns depicted actually are requirements of becoming a Straw Hat member and are that poster's way of justifying something he wants that isn't in the narrative.
Let's analyze it.
! > Nico Robin was working for the enemy, although for her own protection, this is very similar to Viola working for the enemy to protect her family
! Vivi?
! Tank Lepanto also worked for Doflamingo in order to help keep Viola/Riku safe.
! > The country of their recruitment arc is under the control of a very tactful Shichibukai
! Crocodile and Vivi?
! > Viola and Robin both sided with the Strawhats, initially in secret
! Yeah, Viola did after she was convinced Sanji was a good man. Before that, she was perfectly content with killing him and salvaging his memory.
! I like how he says "in secret" too, seeing as she knocked out all of her men and Gladius knew immediately that she had betrayed them.
! > Both have very useful devil fruit abilities, it is important to note both are good at assassinations. All three (including Nami) are skilled with stealth, a pattern on the Strawhat crew which Viola fits very well
! Here we have the first major coincidence and made-up pattern.
! 2 of the current Straw Hat females are good at being sneaky, cool.
! But someone being sneaky and an assassin don't make them candidates for the Straw Hat Crew.
! > Both have nowhere to go after the defeat of the Shichibukai enemy is defeated, I will explain this in more detail later
! But she does have somewhere to go. Unlike Robin, who lost all of her friends and family in the Ohara incident, Viola has her father, brother in law, and niece that she's recently reunited with and that she'll get to spend time with after Doflamingo's reign is over.
! > Both fought the arc villain in a futile attempt to defeat them before Luffy comes to finish the job
! Okay, so did Bellamy, Vivi, Wiper, Fukaboshi, and many more side characters before Viola.
! > MFMM gender pattern: within each sea the Strawhats have recruited a Male, Female, Male Male sequence. After Jinbe on Fishman Island (an unofficial member as of right now), Viola is the second, and Female recruit.
! This pattern goes out the window when you have to use members that haven't joined to justify it.
! > Most Strawhats decline invitations from crewmates, but accept invitations from Luffy. Sometimes even initially declining Luffy's invite at first, although eventually changing their mind.
! This pattern goes out the window when the vast majority were only asked by Luffy in the first place.
! Luffy also asked Kureha to join him on Drum Island, and tree and a horse on Thriller Bark.
! And Sanji's request was more of a "hey, come with us, we'll help you", not a "join us on our journey!"
! > Luffy likes her:
! Luffy also likes Rebecca, Kyros, and Law.
! And he's liked several side characters in previous arcs, but didn't ask them to join.
! > She had a chapter named after her. As every other Mugiwara did. This was not the case with Vivi or Monet… so yeah.
! As did Rebecca, Kyros, Leo… and a lot of other characters in other arcs.
! Also, Brook did not get a chapter title, so there's that pattern out the window.
! > She is designed incredibly accurately:
! As are a ton of other characters in the series.
! > The port where she plans to leave is filled with Marines, like when the Mugiwara's left Alabasta with Robin on board
! This is yet again, another coincidence. A better comparison would be Franky's departure from Water 7, but it's still superfluous.
! She'd have to stow away without them knowing for the scenario to be similar at all… and that definitely won't happen.
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! The poster also talks about her past... which connects directly with Riku/Kyros/Rebecca, the family she was recently reunited with. The comparison to Nami and Robin's past is superfluous at best. Nor does her having a past like that ensure that she can be a member of the Straw Hat crew.
! > Her dream can easily be revealed later. It's possible her dream relates to the abolition of the Shichibukai, or taking Shichibukai down. Other possiblities are to reduce or abolish corruption in the world, afterall, she can see it all, and she used to be very trusting. This dream would involve taking down or changing the World Government: which ties into the Shichibukai system which relates to Doffy, the villain that shaped her life.
! This would've been revealed already after 89 chapters if it was Oda's intention. Just as we got a glimpse into every other Straw Hat's dream at their introduction or shortly after, but certainly not 2 years after the fact.
! And again, her goal has been presented as taking Doflamingo down in order to ensure the safety of her family, and nothing else.
! > Viola had explained to Sanji that she already had plans to leave Dressrosa. This debunks the arguments made about her needing to stay because she is royalty. Besides, she is third in line after Riku and Rebecca
! This was way before she realized that the Straw Hat crew had a chance of taking down the Donquixote crew as a whole.
! Also, she's the former king's daughter, and would be the next in line behind Riku, who most likely will not take the throne again.
! > Obviously she would be a lookout and dancer to go with Brooks music. A perfect combination.
! Again, why is a dancer needed on the ship. If Luffy had been the one to see her dancing in the plaza at the beginning of the arc, and we got some comment like "Wow, a dancer! I've always wanted one in my crew!", then maybe this would be possible. But he wasn't, and introducing Luffy to that concept nearly 100 chapters after the fact would be unlike Oda.
! And a role can be applied to any character. Leo could fix clothes, Tsuru could do the laundry, Kanjuro could be the artist. There's infinite possibility there, so that's really not a deciding factor.
! > As she has a habit of stabbing those who betray her or cheat her, Viola could have a running gag of chasing Sanji around with her knife trying to stab him after he flirts with Nami and Robin. Due to Usopp's lies, she could also have a running gag with him as her powers are the antithesis of his habits. She fits perfectly with the crew.
! A running gag can be applied to any character, really. For example, I could say Mansherry's running gag would be crushing on the male members of the crew by being mean to them, or Jora's running gag could be misunderstanding what the crew is saying for other things.
! Running gags really aren't what determine if someone is going to join the Straw Hat crew.
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! The rest of the guy's post has already been discussed in one way or another.In the end, it all boils down to the character's uniqueness in the overall series, along with their interactions with the crew and overall contributions to their introduction arc. Superfluous patterns… not so much.
Again,the picture, you say if oda can than it fits. But he didn't do it in the manga. Only the color pages which were made to be fun not actually part of the story.
The color pages are part of the manga. Yeah, they aren't black and white, but Oda depicts his main cast on them constantly and wants each and every character to look distinct.
Again, imagine if Viola was present on the color spread too. The difference between the two would be minimal.
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It can be applied as a rule because every warlord that left or lost their title had their bounty go up (we haven't seen Law yet) so far.
Eh, have we?
Teach left the Shichibukai with no frozen bounty whatsoever, and went onto become a yonko, on top of all the stuff he did as a warlord, so we can assume that his bounty went up.
Again though, it's not going to have gone up purely because he left the shichibukai.
We don't know if Croc's bounty has gone up since he was dismissed, but we do know that it was implied that his bounty of 81,000,000 would double because of his previously hidden activities as the leader of Baroque Works.
Again, it's not leaving the shichibukai that would have led to a bounty increase.
One a pirate isn't legal anymore theyre bounties are unfrozen.
Uhuh, unfrozen.
As in once again active, not necessarily increased in value.
what I meant was warlords get or have an increase in their bounties when they lose title.
Again, that's not the case.
They get bounties for villanous acts that might lead to their resignation/dismissal.
It's not the resignation/dismissal itself that leads to a bounty increase.
Also BB did 2 of those things as a warlord. Then resigned.
Yeah, things that he did knowing full well that he'd be giving up his title by doing them.
It's not like if Teach hadn't resigned then he'd have been allowed to stay on as a warlord.
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@Galaxy:
He was a high ranking member that was at least well known enough within the crew to be considered for the position of division commander.
You're acting like he's a random grunt.
Yeah, because she stowed away on his ship and told him why she was joining the crew. She's the one exception, as I've said.
The post is full of convoluted speculation and coincidence. None of the patterns depicted actually are requirements of becoming a Straw Hat member and are that poster's way of justifying something he wants that isn't in the narrative.
Let's analyze it.
! Vivi?
! Tank Lepanto also worked for Doflamingo in order to help keep Viola/Riku safe.
! Crocodile and Vivi?
! Yeah, Viola did after she was convinced Sanji was a good man. Before that, she was perfectly content with killing him and salvaging his memory.
! I like how he says "in secret" too, seeing as she knocked out all of her men and Gladius knew immediately that she had betrayed them.
! Here we have the first major coincidence and made-up pattern.
! 2 of the current Straw Hat females are good at being sneaky, cool.
! But someone being sneaky and an assassin don't make them candidates for the Straw Hat Crew.
! But she does have somewhere to go. Unlike Robin, who lost all of her friends and family in the Ohara incident, Viola has her father, brother in law, and niece that she's recently reunited with and that she'll get to spend time with after Doflamingo's reign is over.
! Okay, so did Bellamy, Vivi, Wiper, Fukaboshi, and many more side characters before Viola.
! This pattern goes out the window when you have to use members that haven't joined to justify it.
! This pattern goes out the window when the vast majority were only asked by Luffy in the first place.
! Luffy also asked Kureha to join him on Drum Island, and tree and a horse on Thriller Bark.
! And Sanji's request was more of a "hey, come with us, we'll help you", not a "join us on our journey!"
! Luffy also likes Rebecca, Kyros, and Law.
! And he's liked several side characters in previous arcs, but didn't ask them to join.
! As did Rebecca, Kyros, Leo… and a lot of other characters in other arcs.
! Also, Brook did not get a chapter title, so there's that pattern out the window.
! As are a ton of other characters in the series.
! This is yet again, another coincidence. A better comparison would be Franky's departure from Water 7, but it's still superfluous.
! She'd have to stow away without them knowing for the scenario to be similar at all… and that definitely won't happen.
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! The poster also talks about her past... which connects directly with Riku/Kyros/Rebecca, the family she was recently reunited with. The comparison to Nami and Robin's past is superfluous at best. Nor does her having a past like that ensure that she can be a member of the Straw Hat crew.
! This would've been revealed already after 89 chapters if it was Oda's intention. Just as we got a glimpse into every other Straw Hat's dream at their introduction or shortly after, but certainly not 2 years after the fact.
! And again, her goal has been presented as taking Doflamingo down in order to ensure the safety of her family, and nothing else.
! This was way before she realized that the Straw Hat crew had a chance of taking down the Donquixote crew as a whole.
! Also, she's the former king's daughter, and would be the next in line behind Riku, who most likely will not take the throne again.
! Again, why is a dancer needed on the ship. If Luffy had been the one to see her dancing in the plaza at the beginning of the arc, and we got some comment like "Wow, a dancer! I've always wanted one in my crew!", then maybe this would be possible. But he wasn't, and introducing Luffy to that concept nearly 100 chapters after the fact would be unlike Oda.
! And a role can be applied to any character. Leo could fix clothes, Tsuru could do the laundry, Kanjuro could be the artist. There's infinite possibility there, so that's really not a deciding factor.
! A running gag can be applied to any character, really. For example, I could say Mansherry's running gag would be crushing on the male members of the crew by being mean to them, or Jora's running gag could be misunderstanding what the crew is saying for other things.
! Running gags really aren't what determine if someone is going to join the Straw Hat crew.
! The rest of the guy's post has already been discussed in one way or another.
In the end, it all boils down to the character's uniqueness in the overall series, along with their interactions with the crew and overall contributions to the arc. Superfluous patterns… not so much.
The color pages are part of the manga. Yeah, they aren't black and white, but Oda depicts his main cast on them constantly and wants each and every character to look distinct.
Again, imagine if Viola was present on the color spread too. The difference between the two would be minimal.
So you're saying Oda doesn't use patterns? Or that you can find a better one. Speculation or not you can't actually believe that this is all coincidence. Nami, Robin, and and now Violet all confronted the boss of the saga with a knife. That doesn't seem like coincidence at all. The picture I think we just have different views upon so I'll leave that alone.
What is the real treasure hmmmmmmm?
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So you're saying Oda doesn't use patterns?
When did I say that? Oda definitely uses patterns in his work, but the ones depicted in that post? Not so much.
All of the patterns used by that poster are stretched to fit what he wants, and not really patterns of joining at all. You can apply literally all of them (besides them being asked to join, but that's present in a lot of characters too!) to any other character and it won't make a difference in anything but name.
Speculation or not you can't actually believe that this is all coincidence. Nami, Robin, and and now Violet all confronted the boss of the saga with a knife. That doesn't seem like coincidence at all.
Yeah, it's all coincidence. It's just a cliche that Oda has conventiently used throughout the series, where the characters that are oppressed by the villain confront the villain (and in Robin's case, she did it in self defense against her "partner", so it really isn't the same scenario at all). It really doesn't relate to the character's chances of joining the crew, since that pattern doesn't apply to most of the members.
Any coincidence could be brought out like this and applied to other characters in the story too. It's like using Zoro being captured and Franky being captured as a pattern for why Law will join.
The character joining needs to have a unique personality, a unique design, interactions with the entire crew, and some sort of dream, hinted or obviously stated, that requires them to travel with the crew. Those are Oda's guidelines that he's used since the beginning of the story.
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Eh, have we?
Teach left the Shichibukai with no frozen bounty whatsoever, and went onto become a yonko, on top of all the stuff he did as a warlord, so we can assume that his bounty went up.
Again though, it's not going to have gone up purely because he left the shichibukai.
We don't know if Croc's bounty has gone up since he was dismissed, but we do know that it was implied that his bounty of 81,000,000 would double because of his previously hidden activities as the leader of Baroque Works.
Again, it's not leaving the shichibukai that would have led to a bounty increase.
Uhuh, unfrozen.
As in once again active, not necessarily increased in value.
Again, that's not the case.
They get bounties for villanous acts that might lead to their resignation/dismissal.
It's not the resignation/dismissal itself that leads to a bounty increase.
Yeah, things that he did knowing full well that he'd be giving up his title by doing them.
It's not like if Teach hadn't resigned then he'd have been allowed to stay on as a warlord.
Well do you think the government won't have wanted bounties for pirates that no longer work for them and just let them be free? Especially for one of the crewmates of the man that blackmailed them into letting him be a warlord?
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@Galaxy:
When did I say that? Oda definitely uses patterns in his work, but the ones depicted in the post? Not so much.
All of the patterns used by that poster are stretched to fit what he wants, and not really patterns of joining at all. You can apply literally all of them (besides them being asked to join, but that's present in a lot of characters too!) to any other character and it won't make a difference in anything but name.
Yeah, it's all coincidence. It's just a cliche that Oda has conventiently used throughout the series, where the characters that are oppressed by the villain confront the villain (and in Robin's case, she did it in self defense against her "partner", so it really isn't the same scenario at all). It really doesn't relate to the character's chances of joining the crew, since that pattern doesn't apply to most of the members.
Any coincidence could be brought out like this and applied to other characters in the story too.
The character joining needs to have a unique personality, a unique design, interactions with the entire crew, and some sort of dream, hinted or obviously stated, that requires them to travel with the crew. Those are Oda's guidelines that he's used since the beginning of the story.
I was talking about the females in general. The scenarios don't have to be the same. In fact all 3 girls scenarios are completely different but they all share the knife in common. And it's not my place to say whether a character is unique or not, its about ones perspective. Interactions with the entire crew can be brought out later. It's true coincidences can be brought out and applied to anyone. But were talking about common coincidences in the crew itself, specifically the females in Violas case.
What is the real treasure hmmmmmmm?
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I was talking about the females in general. The scenarios don't have to be the same. In fact all 3 girls scenarios are completely different but they all share the knife in common.
Okay, so Zoro's capture and Franky's capture, being different in the way they were executed, share a common theme with Law being captured then, which was also different in execution.
Interactions with the entire crew can be brought out later.
But that isn't how it's been handled in the past. The member joined after having adequate interaction with each of the Straw Hat crew members, rather than barely speaking to most of them and then getting to know them after 100 chapters.
It's true coincidences can be brought out and applied to anyone. But were talking about common coincidences in the crew itself, specifically the females in Violas case.
And again, the Law-Franky-Zoro "coincidence' could be brought out if someone wanted it to be.
Or even a Chopper-Viola comparison, with Wapol and Doflamingo being the oppressors of their respective kingdoms.
Stuff really has to be stretched to come up with these comparisons, just like the knife one.
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@Galaxy:
Okay, so Zoro's capture and Franky's capture, being different in the way they were executed, share a common theme with Law being captured then, which was also different in execution.
But that isn't how it's been handled in the past. The member joined after having adequate interaction with each of the Straw Hat crew members, rather than barely speaking to most of them and then getting to know them after 100 chapters.
And again, the Law-Franky-Zoro "coincidence' could be brought out if someone wanted it to be.
Or even a Chopper-Viola comparison, with Wapol and Doflamingo being the oppressors of their respective kingdoms.
Stuff really has to be stretched to come up with these comparisons, just like the knife one.
Well Law, Zoro, Franky is only one thing in comman with the captured thing. If you can find other things in common with them that fit a pattern I'll consider rethinking it. But have you seen the theory of the next straw hat members and mfmm pattern? Its something I somewhat agree with but the person wrote chose the wrong characters in my opinion.
What is the real treasure hmmmmmmm?
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Aside from design and abilities, Viola has too much of a unique relationship with Sanji. She more or less returned his feelings. That could really upset how the crew functions. It's the same reason why we won't see Nami and Luffy hook up, at least not before the entire adventure is over and they settle down, lol.
Sanji and Viola are going to make fiery hot staby love but not until the story is done. That kind of element doesn't fit in this loveless story for the main characters.
Folks who read One Piece… Just better people. ¯\(ツ)/¯
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Well Law, Zoro, Franky is only one thing in comman with the captured thing. If you can find other things in common with them that fit a pattern I'll consider rethinking it.
The point I was trying to make is connecting characters through these factors is silly.
But have you seen the theory of the next straw hat members and mfmm pattern?
Yes, and it's probably a coincidence that it turned out that way. We certainly aren't going to see 4 additional crewmates in the New World just to complete a pattern. And Jinbe hasn't actually joined the crew, so the pattern gets thrown out the window without stretching its rules by counting "unofficial" Straw Hats.
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Aside from design and abilities, Viola has too much of a unique relationship with Sanji. She more or less returned his feelings. That could really upset how the crew functions. It's the same reason why we won't see Nami and Luffy hook up, at least not before the entire adventure is over and they settle down, lol.
Sanji and Viola are going to make fiery hot staby love but not until the story is done. That kind of element doesn't fit in this loveless story for the main characters.
I say its on the less side that she returned his feelings. Its the shippers that hyped it up to more than it was. And also the anime. I still think sanji would be the same he would just have one more woman to fawn over. And the Nami Luffy love thing died down long ago because it didn't proceed any further. The same will probably happen with Sanji amd Viola.
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@Galaxy:
The point I was trying to make is connecting characters through these factors is silly.
Yes, and it's probably a coincidence that it turned out that way. We certainly aren't going to see 4 additional crewmates in the New World just to complete a pattern. And Jinbe hasn't actually joined the crew, so the pattern gets thrown out the window without stretching its rules by counting "unofficial" Straw Hats.I think thats where you and I are different. You think its silly and I think its logical(with enough evidence of course) Besides One Piece is all about silly. I have no guess for how many crewmates we're getting. And in the theory he assumed Jinbe would join (which most people believe). It was only a theory and can't be proven all the way yet. If you have a pattern you believe Oda follows I'd like to hear it so I can get an understanding of what non silly is to you.
What is the real treasure hmmmmmmm?
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Let's analyze Bobbin's pissibilities to join better.
His "Boyoyon" quirk gives him extra points!!
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Well Law, Zoro, Franky is only one thing in comman with the captured thing. If you can find other things in common with them that fit a pattern I'll consider rethinking it. But have you seen the theory of the next straw hat members and mfmm pattern? Its something I somewhat agree with but the person wrote chose the wrong characters in my opinion.
Did you like not understand a single word Galaxy 9000 just said to you ? THE PATTERNS ARE BEING TWISTED TO JUSTIFY SHITTY THEORIES WHILE IGNORING THE OBVIOUS FACTS !
You cannot provide a single decent reasoning for Viola to join the crew aside from "she used a knife on the villain just like Nami and Robin so she is going to join" and acting like this little "pattern" is what Oda follows for creating a strawhat member while completely ignoring some of the most basic requirements of joining a strawhat .
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Even Bobbin has a better chance of joining the crew than Viola .
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Besides One Piece is all about silly.
While it might have a majority of comedic elements, when it comes to storytelling patterns, they almost certainly shouldn't be "silly".
And in the theory he assumed Jinbe would join (which most people believe).
Jinbe will definitely join, but the theory states that a male, a female, and then 2 males must join in succession.
If you want Viola to join, she'd break that theory by turning it into FM__, so it really doesn't follow a logical pattern at all. And even for the original 8 that were recruited in the East Blue and Grand Line, you get discrepancies like Nami, Usopp, and Robin leaving temporarily.
How is there enough evidence to confirm it with this glaring contradiction?
It was only a theory and can't be proven all the way yet.
But you could say this about any theory. It doesn't mean they don't have their flaws in writing from the beginning.
If you have a pattern you believe Oda follows I'd like to hear it so I can get an understanding of what non silly is to you.
It's already been said. The pattern for a new crew member is that they are introduced with a very unique design and personality, given interactions with the entire crew in depth, have their dream hinted or revealed, are involved in a major way in taking down the main antagonist of the arc, and get a multi chapter flashback dedicated to their past at some point in there as well.
In comparison, Viola was introduced, talked to only Sanji in depth, and has had small conversations with Luffy, Robin, and Usopp. Her flashback was then mixed in with Kyros/Rebecca/The Donquixote Invasion, rather than in one cohesive narrative.
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@Galaxy:
While it might have a majority of comedic elements, when it comes to storytelling patterns, they almost certainly shouldn't be "silly".
Jinbe will definitely join, but the theory states that a male, a female, and then 2 males must join in succession.
If you want Viola to join, she'd break that theory by turning it into FM__, so it really doesn't follow a logical pattern at all. And even for the original 8 that were recruited in the East Blue and Grand Line, you get discrepancies like Nami, Usopp, and Robin leaving temporarily.
How is there enough evidence to confirm it with this glaring contradiction?
But you could say this about any theory. It doesn't mean they don't have their flaws in writing from the beginning.
It's already been said. The pattern for a new crew member is that they are introduced with a very unique design and personality, given interactions with the entire crew in depth, have their dream hinted or revealed, are involved in a major way in taking down the main antagonist of the arc, and get a multi chapter flashback dedicated to their past at some point in there as well.
In comparison, Viola was introduced, talked to only Sanji in depth, and has had small conversations with Luffy, Robin, and Usopp. Her flashback was then mixed in with Kyros/Rebecca/The Donquixote Invasion, rather than in one cohesive narrative.I never said I when I wanted Viola to join. I still expected Jinbe to join 1st and her soon after. If what you say about your pattern is true then Jinbe can't join. I don't recall him having a interactions with the entire crew in depth. Violas flashback I feel isn't over as we've yet to see if they'll talk about the 10 years she spent working for DD. I predict we might see ot in the next chapter.I also don't recal Sanji's backstory being multiple chapters but I'll go back and look. I respect your pattern but I still believe Viola has a higher chance of joining than you think and I still hope she does.
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@Doffy.:
Did you like not understand a single word Galaxy 9000 just said to you ? THE PATTERNS ARE BEING TWISTED TO JUSTIFY SHITTY THEORIES WHILE IGNORING THE OBVIOUS FACTS !
You cannot provide a single decent reasoning for Viola to join the crew aside from "she used a knife on the villain just like Nami and Robin so she is going to join" and acting like this little "pattern" is what Oda follows for creating a strawhat member while completely ignoring some of the most basic requirements of joining a strawhat .I understood everything he said. I just don't agree with it. Just like he doesn't agree with my points. The knife thing is very key to me because it doesn't seem like a coincidence. Also calling something a shitty theory is rude, at least respect the ideas they had. Viola in my eyes has met all the basic qualities so far of being a straw hat besides stating her dream which we still have time for. Theres also room for more backstory which is what I predict in the next chapter.
What is the real treasure hmmmmmmm?
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Viola didn't even get a flashback that was centered around her character . We got one for Rebecca , King Riku and Kyros which were all used to build Kyros character and his relationships . Viola barely even got any spotlight in the flashback .
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Like I said there is room for more. Like the ten years she spent working for Doffy.
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I understood everything he said. I just don't agree with it. Just like he doesn't agree with my points. The knife thing is very key to me because it doesn't seem like a coincidence. Also calling something a shitty theory is rude, at least respect the ideas they had. Viola in my eyes has met all the basic qualities so far of being a straw hat besides stating her dream which we still have time for. Theres also room for more backstory which is what I predict in the next chapter.
"It doesn't seem like" that's purely an assumption not a fact . And when you have to rely on assumptions to make more assumptions then it simply doesn't make your theory look good .
In your eyes that is . Not in the eyes of Oda , you know the writer behind the series .
Like others have basically said Viola is a carbon copy of Robin physically and has no real uniqueness to her character . That is not even debatable here . Viola is one of the most generic , cliche and bland female character in the series . She literally adds nothing in terms of crew dynamics and role-wise . And Oda would never ever make her join the crew .
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I never said I when I wanted Viola to join.
If she were going to join, it would have to be on Dressrosa. She'd join before Jinbe and the "pattern" would be rendered moot.
Unless you think she'd accompany the crew, help in the fight against the Yonko, and then tell them about her dream and officially join? That really isn't a likely scenario.
I still expected Jinbe to join 1st and her soon after.
How would that work? Jinbe isn't going to join the crew until after Big Mom is taken care of (or at least until they decide to take her on).
If what you say about your pattern is true then Jinbe can't join. I don't recall him having a interactions with the entire crew in depth.
Firstly, before the timeskip, Jinbe got tons of screentime with Luffy up until after Marineford.
Then, at Fishman Island, Jinbe interacted with the entire crew in one way or another. He told the story of Otohime and Tiger to the Straw Hats present at the Sea Forest, was a key player in planning the attack on the plaza (and during this attack, he interacted with several of the Straw Hats fighting), and even helped Sanji fight Wadatsumi. He then declined Luffy's invitation to join the Straw Hats, and talked with the entire crew on the ship to the palace about why he couldn't join (with his eventual joining being supported by every member of the crew). Then, he partied with the entire crew inside of the palace, and later on, told them about the incidents over the two year timeskip.
Compared to Viola, his interactions with the crew have been way more significant and reoccurring. While Viola hasn't met half of the crew and hasn't spoken to anybody except Sanji in a significant manner.
Violas flashback I feel isn't over as we've yet to see if they'll talk about the 10 years she spent working for DD.
That's probably what we're going to see in the next chapter, and it'll be quite nice to finally have something like that for her, but it'll be a few panels or a few pages at best showing more of the abuse she endured under Doflamingo's command (along with tidbits of Riku probably).
The typical Straw Hat flashback involves them losing friends, parents, or mentors, and includes us finding out about their dream. How would Viola working with Doflamingo fit into this?
If Viola had someone she lost during those ten years, Oda would've already hinted at it or shown it by now. Her motivations in working for him were for King Riku and Rebecca, who will be free at last at the end of the arc. She'll then be able to finally spend time with them and not have to worry about Doflamingo anymore.
I also don't recal Sanji's backstory being multiple chapters but I'll go back and look.
Sanji's flashback had 2 whole chapters dedicated to it. The only Straw Hats with "short" flashbacks were Zoro and Usopp, but that can be attributed more to their place in the story.
I respect your pattern but I still believe Viola has a higher chance of joining than you think and I still hope she does.
It really isn't my pattern. It's what's been shown in the story for the past 18 years.
Viola in my eyes has met all the basic qualities so far of being a straw hat besides stating her dream which we still have time for. Theres also room for more backstory which is what I predict in the next chapter.
Again, after nearly 89 chapters, it's a bit late for a long backstory to be written for Viola that includes all of the elements of being a Straw Hat. If it were Oda's intention, he would've done it much sooner (the perfect time would've been around the Kyros/Rebecca/Invasion flashbacks, but it didn't happen).
She's just way too tied to Dressrosa (which is shown easily by where her tiny flashbacks have been fit in).
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88th chapter in the arc and she is still a very clear one-dimensional character with no personality or depth . Yep Oda is definitely going to flesh her character in one or two chapters whom after tons of chapters of being a exposition tool , finally got something to do .
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Viola liked Sanji way too much, she's not joining. lol
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@Doffy.:
"It doesn't seem like" that's purely an assumption not a fact . And when you have to rely on assumptions to make more assumptions then it simply doesn't make your theory look good .
In your eyes that is . Not in the eyes of Oda , you know the writer behind the series .
Like others have basically said Viola is a carbon copy of Robin physically and has no real uniqueness to her character . That is not even debatable here . Viola is one of the most generic , cliche and bland female character in the series . She literally adds nothing in terms of crew dynamics and role-wise . And Oda would never ever make her join the crew .
I agree that is an assumption but what the fact is that it is true that it happened. What one thinks of it is up to the reader.
I know who Oda is, and he has the control no matter what we say.
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I can't believe you guys seriously would take Viola instead of Monet…
I'm with you on this one. As a wise man once said:
@Thomas:Some like it cold
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@Galaxy:
If she were going to join, it would have to be on Dressrosa. She'd join before Jinbe and the "pattern" would be rendered moot.
Unless you think she'd accompany the crew, help in the fight against the Yonko, and then tell them about her dream and officially join? That really isn't a likely scenario.
How would that work? Jinbe isn't going to join the crew until after Big Mom is taken care of (or at least until they decide to take her on).
Firstly, before the timeskip, Jinbe got tons of screentime with Luffy up until after Marineford.
Then, at Fishman Island, Jinbe interacted with the entire crew in one way or another. He told the story of Otohime and Tiger to the Straw Hats present at the Sea Forest, was a key player in planning the attack on the plaza (and during this attack, he interacted with several of the Straw Hats fighting), and even helped Sanji fight Wadatsumi. He then declined Luffy's invitation to join the Straw Hats, and talked with the entire crew on the ship to the palace about why he couldn't join (with his eventual joining being supported by every member of the crew). Then, he partied with the entire crew inside of the palace, and later on, told them about the incidents over the two year timeskip.
Compared to Viola, his interactions with the crew have been way more significant and reoccurring. While Viola hasn't met half of the crew and hasn't spoken to anybody except Sanji in a significant manner.
That's probably what we're going to see in the next chapter, and it'll be quite nice to finally have something like that for her, but it'll be a few panels or a few pages at best showing more of the abuse she endured under Doflamingo's command (along with tidbits of Riku probably).
The typical Straw Hat flashback involves them losing friends, parents, or mentors, and includes us finding out about their dream. How would Viola working with Doflamingo fit into this?
If Viola had someone she lost during those ten years, Oda would've already hinted at it or shown it by now. Her motivations in working for him were for King Riku and Rebecca, who will be free at last at the end of the arc. She'll then be able to finally spend time with them and not have to worry about Doflamingo anymore.
Sanji's flashback had 2 whole chapters dedicated to it. The only Straw Hats with "short" flashbacks were Zoro and Usopp, but that can be attributed more to their place in the story.
It really isn't my pattern. It's what's been shown in the story for the past 18 years.
Again, after nearly 89 chapters, it's a bit late for a long backstory to be written for Viola that includes all of the elements of being a Straw Hat. If it were Oda's intention, he would've done it much sooner (the perfect time would've been around the Kyros/Rebecca/Invasion flashbacks, but it didn't happen).
She's just way too tied to Dressrosa (which is shown easily by where her tiny flashbacks have been fit in).I can think of a couple scenarios (these are breif versions)
1.Afted fight is is over some time later(maybe a day, i forgot how big time difference was in cover story), Jinbe arrives and hears about Big Mom and straw hats fight in the sea he joins on the spot and they head out to rescue them, They don't know where they are so Viola helps them and ends up accompanying them.
2.Viola accompanies them from Dressrosa and helps find Sanji and gang who are with Jinbe now. He joins and Viola joins sometime later.
I never saw Jinbe interact in depth with Chopper, Franky, or Brook.
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@Doffy.:
88th chapter in the arc and she is still a very clear one-dimensional character with no personality or depth . Yep Oda is definitely going to flesh her character in one or two chapters whom after tons of chapters of being a exposition tool , finally got something to do .
Everything you just said is opinion, except the part saying its the 88th chapter of the arc now.
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Viola liked Sanji way too much, she's not joining. lol
Again, this is opinion.
What is the real treasure hmmmmmmm?
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I can think of a couple scenarios (these are breif versions)
1.Afted fight is is over some time later(maybe a day, i forgot how big time difference was in cover story), Jinbe arrives and hears about Big Mom and straw hats fight in the sea he joins on the spot and they head out to rescue them, They don't know where they are so Viola helps them and ends up accompanying them.Why would Jinbe go to Dressrosa?
2.Viola accompanies them from Dressrosa and helps find Sanji and gang who are with Jinbe now. He joins and Viola joins sometime later.
While it's a nice scenario, she has her family to think about rather than Sanji.
I never saw Jinbe interact in depth with Chopper, Franky, or Brook.
He interacted with Franky and Brook on the ship, and Chopper inside of the palace. There are definitely other examples as well.
Even if it wasn't hundreds of lines of dialogue between him and every single crewmate, it's still way more than Viola has had with any of the Straw Hats. She hasn't even met half of them.
Violas backstory might be the original one told from her point of view and adds the 10 years stuff..
We already saw her point of view. The palace was invaded and she discovered them entering.
Also I don't see major ties to Dressrosa for her like you do
How is her family and homeland not a major tie?
Also, we don't know what Oda's intentions are, we can only infer.
We know his patterns well enough when it comes to introducing a member of the main cast.
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@Galaxy:
Why would Jinbe go to Dressrosa?
While it's a nice scenario, she has her family to think about rather than Sanji.
He interacted with Franky and Brook on the ship, and Chopper inside of the palace. There are definitely other examples as well.
Even if it wasn't hundreds of lines of dialogue between him and every single crewmate, it's still way more than Viola has had with any of the Straw Hats. She hasn't even met half of them.
We already saw her point of view. The palace was invaded and she discovered them entering.
How is her family and homeland not a major tie?
We know his patterns well enough when it comes to introducing a member of the main cast.
To give the Poneglyph to Robin, but I assume you'll wonder how he knows Robin and the rest are there. He probably might assume so because its the closest place to Punk Hazard.
I don't think she'll worry about her family as much after this is all over.
True but to be fair less than half of the ones she hasn't met aren't on Dressrosa.
Also I meant an in depth point of view, like maybe her telling the story (it was never explained if she was going to commit suicide or attack DdlD herself back then)
Like above I don't think she'll be worrying about them as much as before and she hasn't talked about staying at all. She more hinted at leaving anyway.
I'll go back and read for Jinbe, I don't recall it.What is the real treasure hmmmmmmm?
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To give the Poneglyph to Robin, but I assume you'll wonder how he knows Robin and the rest are there. He probably might assume so because its the closest place to Punk Hazard.
I'm sure he'll read about Dressrosa's downfall in the newspaper and realize that they aren't there anymore.
His number 1 priority right now is to go to Whole Cake Island.
I don't think she'll worry about her family as much after this is all over.
Again, we've been over this already. Why would she abandon them after 10 years of separation and hardship? You still haven't explained that yet.
The more likely scenario is that she wants to spend time with them and help them rebuild the kingdom.
True but to be fair less than half of the ones she hasn't met aren't on Dressrosa.
That's not really an excuse. If Oda's intention was to have someone join the crew this arc, he certainly wouldn't have separated them from half of the cast without first letting them meet them first (he did this with Sanji when Usopp and Zoro left for Nami's village without Luffy).
Also I meant an in depth point of view, like maybe her telling the story (it was never explained if she was going to commit suicide or attack DdlD herself back then)
That'll be nice to see if it happens, but it really isn't going to be more than a few pages at best.
Like above I don't think she'll be worrying about them as much as before
Yeah, she won't have to worry anymore. But it doesn't mean she wants to abandon them after finally being reunited with them.
and she hasn't talked about staying at all. She more hinted at leaving anyway.
Yeah, this was before she realized Doflamingo would actually be defeated (and a little because of guilt, but that'll all be resolved at the end of the arc when she's reassured that nobody blames her). The plan before was the destruction of the SMILE factory and then escape.
Now that his tyranny will actually be over, and that she'll get to reunite with her family in peace, she has ample reason to stay.
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Bah, you can write poems and essays about Monet, but I don't think it's plausible, even if she's alive.
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@Galaxy:
I'm sure he'll read about Dressrosa's downfall in the newspaper and realize that they aren't there anymore.
His number 1 priority right now is to go to Whole Cake Island.
Again, we've been over this already. Why would she abandon them after 10 years of separation and hardship? You still haven't explained that yet.
The more likely scenario is that she wants to spend time with them and help them rebuild the kingdom.
That's not really an excuse. If Oda's intention was to have someone join the crew this arc, he certainly wouldn't have separated them from half of the cast without first letting them meet them first (he did this with Sanji when Usopp and Zoro left for Nami's village without Luffy).
That'll be nice to see if it happens, but it really isn't going to be more than a few pages at best.
Yeah, she won't have to worry anymore. But it doesn't mean she wants to abandon them after finally being reunited with them.
Yeah, this was before she realized Doflamingo would actually be defeated (and a little because of guilt, but that'll all be resolved at the end of the arc when she's reassured that nobody blames her). The plan before was the destruction of the SMILE factory and then escape.
Now that his tyranny will actually be over, and that she'll get to reunite with her family in peace, she has ample reason to stay.
You think if that was Odas intention they would stay. I personally think it doesn't matter.
I also think Jinbe won't carry that poneglyph for that long. I think his priority might ne giving it to robin.
I'm sorry I forgot to mention how Nami was reunited with her sister(though not as long as Viola had been separated) but still left. With this topic it just comes back around to me believing she won't be able to stay(lets not go through that again)
True again her mind might have changed and I still think she'll be at least a little guilty after its over still.What is the real treasure hmmmmmmm?
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@Doffy.:
Answer these questions very honestly :
Does she have a unique personality? Does she have a overarching dream ? Does she have any chemistry with the crew? Does she bring a unique skill to the crew ? Does she have a unqiue design ? Does she have a unique quirk ? And Is she overall a really unique character for the crew ? If not then she simple isn't joining .- Kind of. She has that seductive + a little bit sadistic personality, kind of like Robin had in Alabasta, also ruthlessness.
- Usopp Nami and Robin revealed their dreams after they joined their crew with hints lying around on the arc where they joined. Monet could do the same.
- She hasn't met the whole crew yet. If she were to return, I believe that she would get that going then. But I bet making snow for Luffy would instantly make him adore her since he loves snow haha.
- Yes she does, Astronomy.
- Yes, an artificial Harpy.
- Being weak to compliments. Normally, females would just kick Sanjis ass or get creeped out and leave haha. Also she could develop a more believable one once she joins the crew, like Zoro or Robin did.
- She may not be that unique in personality of what we saw of her, but I doubt she is always like that. We haven't seen her that much to judge her personality because it can be very different from what we see now. But as far as looks and fighting go, she is very unique. I dare you to find another Harpy in One Piece plus she is the only Female logia user we know to date. All in all I believe that she is a redeemable character which can happen in her doing something that in Luffy's eyes would make her trustworthy. Sugar may turn Doffy into a toy to save him once he gets defeated from Kaido and the Admirals and the Strawhats may have her heart so she is gonna go after them. Doffy turning back from a toy may lead to an interesting plot with Monet and her past life as an executive.
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You guys need some fresh nakama theories, it's starting to reek in here again.
[Hide]Viola is not joining, she has no interesting qualities to offer for the crew aside from boobs and scaring the boys with knife.
Her home country and family she fought for ten years is about to be liberated so there is pretty much 0% chance she will leave with pirates, Kyros who finally reunited with his daughter is much more likely as he even has a bounty. Also she totally has the hots for Usopp not Sanji so having her in the ship would be just awkward.As much as I would have liked Monet to join (logia! boobs! unique weapon! wings! Fandom will never get better than that!), Sugar being her sister sealed trashed this theory for good. Sure Nami too has a sister waiting at home, but her sister ain't no emotional wreck with a dangerous ability.[/Hide]
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As much as I would have liked Monet to join (logia! boobs! unique weapon! wings! Fandom will never get better than that!), Sugar being her sister sealed trashed this theory for good. Sure Nami too has a sister waiting at home, but her sister ain't no emotional wreck with a dangerous ability.[/Hide]How the hell is her having a sister like Sugar makes her not able to join any other crew? I don't remember Sugar showing ANY concern about Monet's death so I would understand that they probably hate each other.
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You guys need some fresh nakama theories, it's starting to reek in here again.
[Hide]Viola is not joining, she has no interesting qualities to offer for the crew aside from boobs and scaring the boys with knife.
Her home country and family she fought for ten years is about to be liberated so there is pretty much 0% chance she will leave with pirates, Kyros who finally reunited with his daughter is much more likely as he even has a bounty. Also she totally has the hots for Usopp not Sanji so having her in the ship would be just awkward.As much as I would have liked Monet to join (logia! boobs! unique weapon! wings! Fandom will never get better than that!), Sugar being her sister sealed trashed this theory for good. Sure Nami too has a sister waiting at home, but her sister ain't no emotional wreck with a dangerous ability.[/Hide]
let's make a new one then!
i kinda want someone like auron from ffx. so basically a former roger crew to help/guide luffy.
i know some will say 'he'll spoil the fun because he know the truth about one piece already!' but then again, auron didnt really tell anything major to the group. he simply just there protecting yuna. he also let her take all the major decision and he simply follow whatever she wants. he might go against yuna's decision but in the end he just follow what she wants.
i think he can also share some stories about the old group. when they found something he can tell stories related to that, etc.
but then again, jinbe can basically fill this role as he is a veteran pirate.
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- Kind of. She has that seductive + a little bit sadistic personality, kind of like Robin had in Alabasta, also ruthlessness.
- Usopp Nami and Robin revealed their dreams after they joined their crew with hints lying around on the arc where they joined. Monet could do the same.
- She hasn't met the whole crew yet. If she were to return, I believe that she would get that going then. But I bet making snow for Luffy would instantly make him adore her since he loves snow haha.
- Yes she does, Astronomy.
- Yes, an artificial Harpy.
- Being weak to compliments. Normally, females would just kick Sanjis ass or get creeped out and leave haha. Also she could develop a more believable one once she joins the crew, like Zoro or Robin did.
- She may not be that unique in personality of what we saw of her, but I doubt she is always like that. We haven't seen her that much to judge her personality because it can be very different from what we see now. But as far as looks and fighting go, she is very unique. I dare you to find another Harpy in One Piece plus she is the only Female logia user we know to date. All in all I believe that she is a redeemable character which can happen in her doing something that in Luffy's eyes would make her trustworthy. Sugar may turn Doffy into a toy to save him once he gets defeated from Kaido and the Admirals and the Strawhats may have her heart so she is gonna go after them. Doffy turning back from a toy may lead to an interesting plot with Monet and her past life as an executive.
1. Which is not unique at all especially since she sounds a lot like Robin pre-Alabasta . And Oda very much likes to make a strawhat unique and distinct .
2. Except Oda never really made an effort in hinting at her "dream" that would allow her to join the crew .
3. Yes we can play the "what if" or "she will" card but the fact remains she didn't have chemistry with the crew in a 50+ chapter arc . And no Luffy did not show any interest in her .
4. And how does that fit into the crew again?
5. Except her face is like any other female character in the series . Which wouldn't be the case if Oda was making her a strawhat.
6. Chopper already has that trait . And franky too at being called a pervert . So once again no that trait is not unique .
7. Purely assumptions . Don't need to even say anything .
