Anyone else has the feeling that Oda's got something big planned for the 700th chapter?
Chapter 697: "Transaction"
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@No:
Also, realy wish we don't see Law again for a loooong time.
he's traveling with the mugiwara,so don't count too much on it.
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its time like this, that i dislike luffy, law is showings how to do this and in a ingenius way, i didnt see this good strategie since death note, a tough decision but i would choose the marines, the admirals are scarier than kaidou, im sure law isnt acounting for jmbei that ups the scale a lot, im sure we will leave luffy to figh kaidou and then defeats him himself or something like that.
Do you honestly believe that Luffy could go one on one with Kaido?
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@No:
Also, realy wish we don't see Law again for a loooong time.
Then I shall weep forever.
The only consolation would be seeing the HaKiApp (pft Haki App wat an APP FOR HAKI? wat) if we must really see the back (giggity) of Law.
'Cause Apoo is my second favourite character. And my fangirl mind likes seeing Apoo and Hawkins in the same general area.
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Anyone else has the feeling that Oda's got something big planned for the 700th chapter?
Dunno, I thought only things like 100/500/1000 are a big deal, at least in the industry.
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Anyone else has the feeling that Oda's got something big planned for the 700th chapter?
If it's Doflamingo killing Law I will cry.
If it's the reveal of Kaidou then hoorah.
If it's the arrival (finally) of the HaKiKiApp (I forgot Killer last time) alliance then HOORAH~ -
Anyone else has the feeling that Oda's got something big planned for the 700th chapter?
Kaidou reveal!!!
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@No:
Dunno, I thought only things like 100/500/1000 are a big deal, at least in the industry.
Maybe you're right, but another hundred is always another milestone.
With Punk Hazard wrapping up, it's the perfect time to…..put something grandiose to set up the next arc.
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Then I shall weep forever.
And your tears shall be delicious ~
It's just, the guy realy seems lacking in personality for me, I'm not realy charmed by him and I realy would like him to actualy be over his head and not be able to get out of a situation on his own because.
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He shouldn't have tried to make a big deal out of even 100 … he should just do what fits (I'm talking about the stuff that he skipped in loguetown to get East Blue done in 100 chapters).
Some colour pages or something is fine, but I don't like that the number of chapters should mark key things happening. Thankfully, he didn't do it for entering the NW even though the numbers were quite close to a multiple of 100.
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Maybe you're right, but another hundred is always another milestone.
With Punk Hazard wrapping up, it's the perfect time to…..put something grandiose to set up the next arc.
Like seeing Shiryu brutaly eviscerate Mihawk ? :D
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@Formation:
Jimbe, Moriah, Crocodile and Teach quit the Shichibukai and none of the Admirals are going after them…
Crocodile was captured and imprisoned in Impel Down
Moriah when he was defeated it was covered up so he could still be in the war but when it was over, someone gave an order to assassinate him.
Jimbei was imprisoned as to not interfere with the war. He resigned at the war and when he did get away, he allied with a Yonko.
BlackBeard took to the seas and made most of Whitebeards territory his own and became a Yonko.Just because its said Doflamingo will be hunted down doesn't necessarily mean that he'll be captured or killed. He can simply evade and get away from the Marines and Admirals.
He'll probably resign at DressRosa then take to the seas immediately, he'll get Caesar back,
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@No:
And your tears shall be delicious ~
It's just, the guy realy seems lacking in personality for me, I'm not realy charmed by him and I realy would like him to actualy be over his head and not be able to get out of a situation on his own because.
They'll taste like Magellan's ass and be equally as toxic.
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Decent chapter. It dragged out a lot though so I don't love it like most people. The G5 goodbye was okay but took way too long. At least they and the kids are out of the picture now. So perhaps Green Bit is their next destination now, after which there'll be Wano. Law's crew is probably there but I'm sure we'll get an actual arc out of it too.
The Doflamingo scene was good. It's weird seeing him so unnerved by Kaidou. I'm guessing he'll accept Law's terms just because it'd be weird to introduce the plan and not have it work. That means we'll have Mihawk, Hancock, Kuma, Law, Buggy, and 2 open seats. It's kind of weird how many of the "7 Warlords" we've already had. Counting the mystery figures, we'll be up to 12.
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Are you honestly suggesting that the marines left two open admiral positions unfilled for 2 years?
Do you need everything spelled out for you? Actually it was literally spelled out for you this chapter.. and yet you still refuse to believe in the theory that makes the most sense! Ever heard of Occam's razor?
4 Yonkou = Shichibukai + Marines (whose most powerful asset are the 3 admirals).. not to mention the revolutionaries. Why would the World Government refuse to replace their most valuable assets in the face of the greatest threat they have ever faced in history (Blackbeard and Dragon)?
It was never stated that there has to be Three Admirals, that's fandom.
And Kizaru is the only Admiral until it's confirmed that there's more.
It's not so easy to find an Admiral replacement like you think it is…
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Maybe you're right, but another hundred is always another milestone.
With Punk Hazard wrapping up, it's the perfect time to…..put something grandiose to set up the next arc.
I'm really hoping for Kaidou's reveal, but if not maybe new admiral reveal ? :D
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@No:
Like seeing Shiryu brutaly eviscerate Mihawk ? :D
You're worse than Andrew Hussie.
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@Foxy:
It's not so easy to find an Admiral replacement like you think it is…
Why not? It's been two years.. if the SH's can get as strong as they did, why can't a vice admiral?
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@No:
And your tears shall be delicious ~
It's just, the guy realy seems lacking in personality for me, I'm not realy charmed by him and I realy would like him to actualy be over his head and not be able to get out of a situation on his own because.
Let's be honest here: It WILL turn out that Law is completely over his head, and the Strawhat's will save the day.
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They'll taste like Magellan's ass and be equally as toxic.
Good ~ .
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@The:
Let's be honest here: It WILL turn out that Law is completely over his head, and the Strawhat's will save the day.
I just want him to not be always on top and have a secret plan or be actualy stronger then he gave off because cliffhanger.
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The whole scene with the marines was wonderful, very emotional and well put together. The surprise star of this arc for me has been Tashigi, throughout the arc she's shown to be a character who strives to do whats right no matter what the circumstances. She's stood up to protect her men in the face of far superior opposition, she's been willing to work with her enemies to protect those who are in need, she's done her upmost to ensure the safety of the children and now she's accepted that Pirates arent all bad. She's really developed from when we first saw her and she immediately hated Zoro because he was a pirate, her attitude towards Justice and those she fights against and fights for seems to have really developed under Smoker and through her interactions with the Straw Hats and I for one am a big fan.
Agreed there ! I don't think she really hated Zoro when they first met, she was pretty much admiring him as well (kitetsu roulette). Their relationship is somewhat complicated.
Unfortunately, it seems to a lot of fans believe that the ability to kick ass is the only thing that matters in this series . I guess her "sexism" is also an issue and I can understand that if everyone around you since your birth tell you that you are garbage since the day you were born when you know you are not. I can guarantee than anyone would be resentful for life but she will eventually let go of it like Kuina. I mean "weaker" characters can even help the main character become a better person or being closer to what they want to be (Nami asking for help, Vivi teaching him humility, Usopp quitting the crew but still coming back and encouraging Luffy). A full fledged character must be strong in body and more importantly in spirit. I mean even the greatest badass Solid Snake was often used as long as fighting was his sole purpose. Ironically, he needed "weaker" characters like Otacon, Meryl, Naomi and Raiden to make him stray away from the path of his own father (a manipulative warmonger maniac) and finding his true purpose.
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Despite, the fact that Nami went as far as to compare Tashigi to Bellemere which is rightfully earned after all the mental shit she has been through. There are still fans who dislike her for the wrong reasons.
Apart from that the farewell and friendship with G5 was truly the heart of this chapter and this arc (I still don't care about Law's objectives as long as I can't relate to him but I am less pissed since Oda gave Tashigi had 2 great ending arc moments).
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@No:
Who the hell is that ?
This should sum it up:
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Why not? It's been two years.. if the SH's can get as strong as they did, why can't a vice admiral?
This. I mean everyone seems to forget other people can get stronger too, and then judge characters power pre-timeskip, which is kinda stupid in my opinion, seeing as we have no idea of their current power.
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@Foxy:
It was never stated that there has to be Three Admirals, that's fandom.
And Kizaru is the only Admiral until it's confirmed that there's more.
It's not so easy to find an Admiral replacement like you think it is…
Law confirmed in this chapter that there's more than one Admiral.
Then you came with this story that Oda made a mistake based on a scene in a movie that Oda didn't write and said himself that it wasn't canon.
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Crocodile was captured and imprisoned in Impel Down
Moriah when he was defeated it was covered up so he could still be in the war but when it was over, someone gave an order to assassinate him.
Jimbei was imprisoned as to not interfere with the war. He resigned at the war and when he did get away, he allied with a Yonko.
BlackBeard took to the seas and made most of Whitebeards territory his own and became a Yonko.The thing is that Akainu even "hunted" Blackbeard after the war (or at least tried to engage him), yet Blackbeard and crew managed to escape. It's not far fetched, that assuming the marines have the capacity for it, that the headquarter will try to take revenge if a warlord resigns, to avoid losing face to the public.
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@Mr0:
This. I mean everyone seems to forget other people can get stronger too, and then judge characters power pre-timeskip, which is kinda stupid in my opinion, seeing as we have no idea of their current power.
Whitebeard took out two Giant Vice-Admirals in one shot for each. John Giant was one of them and it's been implied that he's one of the strongest Vice-Admirals.
The Admirals were all able to fight Whitebeard evenly for a little while without getting seriously injured.
Going from Vice-Admiral to Admiral level in two years is inconceivable. Not even Luffy is Admiral level yet, and he's the main character.
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@Foxy:
I'm still calling it a mistake from Oda until we see possibly more Admirals.
Stupidity at its best :)
@Foxy:
Oda worked very closely with the Film Z, he wouldn't let something like that slip.
How many times does it need to be said, Oda being involved doesn't instantly make something "canon", Oda himself said that Film Z is not canon and that you'll mostly never see characters from the movie in the series. Maybe you need to do a little more reading? I'm tired of seeing so many people having the wrong information.
@Foxy:
So he can make a numerical mistake but can't make a grammatical mistake?…
@Foxy:
He rarely makes mistakes, but he has before.
Saying "Admirals" instead of "Admiral" isn't that far fetched.
If you read the thread more carefully, CCC stated that English grammar is different from Japanese, the word "Admirals" in whole is different and not just an adding an S to admiral. He cleared it that Oda wouldn't make a grammatical error like that easily.
And this chapter is incontrovertible proof that there is currently more than one Admiral, of the same rank that Aokiji, Akainu, and Kizaru were to be before the timeskip. Oda has made plenty of visual errors before, but his writing/dialogue is impeccable, and that would be an unreasonably major oversight. The difference in Japanese is a whole extra kanji (大将 vs.大将達), not just an "s" like in English.
So before making "predictions" or something of the same sort, first please get your facts right ^^
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Crocodile was captured and imprisoned in Impel Down Moriah when he was defeated it was covered up so he could still be in the war but when it was over, someone gave an order to assassinate him. Jimbei was imprisoned as to not interfere with the war. He resigned at the war and when he did get away, he allied with a Yonko. BlackBeard took to the seas and made most of Whitebeards territory his own and became a Yonko. Just because its said Doflamingo will be hunted down doesn't necessarily mean that he'll be captured or killed. He can simply evade and get away from the Marines and Admirals. He'll probably resign at DressRosa then take to the seas immediately, he'll get Caesar back, might return to Punk Hazard for SAD supplies and then he'll go to Kaido
All of them are in the NW now… they should be hunted Doflamingo isn't any different.
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Law confirmed in this chapter that there's more than one Admiral.
Then you came with this story that Oda made a mistake based on a scene in a movie that Oda didn't write and said himself that it wasn't canon.
No, it was stated in the manga that Zoro's bounty was 160,000,000 when it was really 120,000,000. When did I say there was a mistake in the movie?
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@Foxy:
Going from Vice-Admiral to Admiral level in two years is inconceivable. Not even Luffy is Admiral level yet, and he's the main character.
I'm going to call bs right here. If Luffy couldn't fight on nearly even ground with Kuzan right now there's be an issue. Not saying it be an easy victory, but with Gear second and Haki, there's no reason Luffy shouldn't be able to put up one hell of a fight.
There's no way he can stand a chance against an emperor if he can't square off against an admiral.
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Stupidity at its best.
So, because I disagree with you, that means I'm stupid? Are you a child?
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@Foxy:
Whitebeard took out two Giant Vice-Admirals in one shot for each. John Giant was one of them and it's been implied that he's one of the strongest Vice-Admirals.
The Admirals were all able to fight Whitebeard evenly for a little while without getting seriously injured.
Going from Vice-Admiral to Admiral level in two years is inconceivable. Not even Luffy is Admiral level yet, and he's the main character.
It was never implied that John Giant was a strong VA.
Honestly we have no idea which VAs were the stronger ones and which weren't (with the exception of Garp), but it seems clear that there is a huge difference between the strongest VAs and the weakest ones (see Saul vs Kuzan when they were both VAs.. it wasn't even a contest).
You are right in that Luffy probably isn't at admiral level yet (whatever that may be), but he should be stronger than most VAs, one step below Admiral level. There were probably a number of VAs substantially stronger than Luffy before the time skip (Vergo would be a reasonable guess), so why is it inconceivable that some of them advanced to Admiral level? Besides, is it also inconceivable for an admiral to be promoted from another organization (like the Cipher Pol or a previously unseen group)?
I'm not sure why you're trying to argue the point you're trying to argue, because firstly it doesn't make sense for the World Government not to replace Aokiji and Akainu and secondly, Oda himself confirmed that there is more than one admiral.
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@Foxy:
So, because I disagree with you, that means I'm stupid? Are you a child?
I think people call you out because your arguments make no sense, not because they disagree with you.
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@Foxy:
So, because I disagree with you, that means I'm stupid? Are you a child?
No, because you have got your facts wrong and are predicting based on a more personal feeling than referring to facts. Like you stating Oda can simply add an extra "S" to Admirals, while CCC already stated it isn't that way with Japanese grammar.
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Great chapter. Take that, Dofla :D
@The:
Law isn't a Straw Hat though. As you say, he's a tier below that: Ally. But regardless of what I think of the actual character himself, I just feel the exposure to him has gotten out of hand. He has recieved DON! cliffhangers at a Crocodile/Enel level this arc. After being built up since volume 25, Doflamingo, one of the oldest set-up villans in the series, is getting his balls busted by, and asking demands from Law, not Luffy. While new crewmembers/main characters tend to get much focus in "their" arcs, this is the first time said character has had the entire arc dancing to his Master Planning tune. And in all the history of One Piece publication the only other non villain/Crewmember to share Jumps cover with Luffy was Rayleigh, for the first post-skip chapter.
Its just a bit much, especially considering Odas increasing trouble with giving all 9 crewembers time to shine.
I don't know if Law really got to much spotlight, but what you are saying about Doflamingo doesn't make that much sense. Even if we knew about him, he didn't really have a history with the SHs (save Bellamy, but he didn't really send him to deal with them, so it doesn't qualify, IMO). Now Law does, so I think it's fair to have him being central here.
Don't get me wrong, I also want to have the SHs as the center of this story and I do hope Oda manages to balance this all somehow.@The:
Whereupon Law revealed that only Vergo having his heart kept Law from WTFOHKO'ing him, and retrieved his hat in an "I'm so cool!" panel.
Why is everyone exaggerating with Vergo's defeat? It's plain obvious Vergo has gotten himself sliced because of his arrogance. Though technically right, saying Law OHKOd Vergo would be almost like saying Luffy didn't have that many problems with Croc…I know the analogy is shaky, but if Vergo would have fought smartly and would have dodged, Law would have had a much higher difficulty in taking him down. That's at least my take on it.
And Law's fruit is just that kind of haxx fruit, one mistake and you're done for.Perhaps that's why Dofla was the best character to showcase the threat level of one of the Yonkou. If such a worry free character is scared of Kaido up to the point where he throws away everything, then this Yonkou must be serious business.
I think a lot of us are, as Law stated in this chapter, underestimating the Yonkou. I mean… when you have Luffy, with no hesitation, challenging Yonkou left and right, you as the reader feel that "Man, maybe these Yonkou aren't so scary."
I sure as hell wouldn't underestimate the Yonkou, especially after knowing that Luffy + Law + their plan can only give them a success rate of 30%. But I wouldn't underestimate Dofla either, who knows what he built in in those SMILES (remember Momo's illusion?)? This could take some unexpected turn (at least for Law…).
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No, because you have got your facts wrong and are predicting based on a more personal feeling than referring to facts. Like you stating Oda can simply add an extra "S" to Admirals, while CCC already stated it isn't that way with Japanese grammar.
I didn't get any facts wrong, unless you can point them out.
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I think people call you out because your arguments make no sense, not because they disagree with you.
Um…no, I already used the Zoro bounty error as an example, it's still possible that Oda made a mistake.
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Did you even read my previous post???
@Foxy:
Oda worked very closely with the Film Z, he wouldn't let something like that slip.
How many times does it need to be said, Oda being involved doesn't instantly make something "canon", Oda himself said that Film Z is not canon and that you'll mostly never see characters from the movie in the series. Maybe you need to do a little more reading? I'm tired of seeing so many people having the wrong information. @Foxy:
He rarely makes mistakes, but he has before.
Saying "Admirals" instead of "Admiral" isn't that far fetched.
If you read the thread more carefully, CCC stated that English grammar is different from Japanese, the word "Admirals" in whole is different and not just an adding an S to admiral. He cleared it that Oda wouldn't make a grammatical error like that easily.
And this chapter is incontrovertible proof that there is currently more than one Admiral, of the same rank that Aokiji, Akainu, and Kizaru were to be before the timeskip. Oda has made plenty of visual errors before, but his writing/dialogue is impeccable, and that would be an unreasonably major oversight. The difference in Japanese is a whole extra kanji (大将 vs.大将達), not just an "s" like in English.
Seems you skipped my whole post which pointed out your mistakes buddy.
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@Foxy:
Whitebeard took out two Giant Vice-Admirals in one shot for each. John Giant was one of them and it's been implied that he's one of the strongest Vice-Admirals.
The Admirals were all able to fight Whitebeard evenly for a little while without getting seriously injured.
Going from Vice-Admiral to Admiral level in two years is inconceivable. Not even Luffy is Admiral level yet, and he's the main character.
Why is it so inconceivable that they could have progressed immensely in 2 years ? We dont know how fast they progress.
But I agree that Whitebeard did fodder the two you mentioned during the war.
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Well this was an..odd way to cap off the arc.
- Chapter Cover: Wait so Granny can fight? Wtf going on?
- So Kaidou's the strongest? Well guess that make sense if he delayed Shanks from getting to the war till the end of it.
- Majority of the chapter: Marines: We love the Straw Hats but we know were Marines so we have go back to hating them since their pirates. But they're such good guys, but their criminals. I LOVE THEM! I HATE THEM! I LOVE THEM! I HATE THEM! (Repeat for five pages)
- Oh so Donflamingo really was using string to "fly". I remember Craig mentioned something like this on the podcast. So kudos to him on the correct prediction.
- Heh gotta love Law's morbid sense of humor.
- Oooh quite an ultimatum and judging my Don's face, yeah, this is going to get ugly.
Overall a "meh" chapter. I know Oda going for the emotional ending here. But it came off more annoying then anything. We got the big party chapter last time and, while a OP staple, kinda killed the pacing in it's tracks after all that build before it. This chapter didn't do much to help it and could've just been resolved in at least 4 pages. Yeah I'm glad the kids are fine and yeah I'm glad the G5 men are appreciative of the Straw Hats' efforts. But we don't need a whole chapter about it. Thankfully the Donflamingo bit was a saving grace, very tense and showing that Don how much a stake in this he has. Law certainly has him in a rock and a hard place. No Caesar, No Smiles and he pisses off Kaidou. He quits being a Shichibukai and he has Admirals on his ass. Quite a tough call, hopefully next week we'll find out the answer and maybe find out who the mystery person is as well.
So I guess this offically ends the Punk Hazard arc unless their some last minute business. Otherwise, I suppose Wano's up next.
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LOL If this keeps up this thread will win one of those "argument" category AP Awards
Foxy is holding his ground
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Did you even read my previous post???
How many times does it need to be said, Oda being involved doesn't instantly make something "canon", Oda himself said that Film Z is not canon and that you'll mostly never see characters from the movie in the series. Maybe you need to do a little more reading? I'm tired of seeing so many people having the wrong information.
If you read the thread more carefully, CCC stated that English grammar is different from Japanese, the word "Admirals" in whole is different and not just an adding an S to admiral. He cleared it that Oda wouldn't make a grammatical error like that easily.Seems you skipped my whole post which pointed out your mistakes buddy.
And your ignoring the Zoro bounty error because it makes you're argument look weaker.
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@Foxy:
Um…no, I already used the Zoro bounty error as an example, it's still possible that Oda made a mistake.
You keep going on and on about the same thing, is language the same as numbers? No, please read what CCC said, and if you don't know Japanese better than CCC stop telling Oda could have made a grammatical error.
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Foxy. Just let go. There's some really strong evidence in this chapter about the Marines having more than one admiral. Don't be so stubborn to stick to an opinion that's based on a movie Oda himself said it could confuse people who watch the manga.
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You keep going on and on about the same thing, is language the same as numbers? No, please read what CCC said, and if you don't know Japanese better than CCC stop telling Oda could have made a grammatical error.
You don't have to continue if you're getting so mad, take a breather.
And I do think that Oda made an error, he isn't omniscient.
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Law rocks. I love the position he put Dofla in. Now he can't play both sides. He either has to face Kaidou or become one of the most hunted people in the world(since I doubt the Admirals would just let such a thing as him publiclay quitting being a warlord stand). In any case Dofla's independence would be as good as gone.
Although I doubt he will outright join Kaidou. Dofla seems to proud for this
Speaking of Kaidou I wonder what kind of DF he can have that will make him this strong? Call me crazy but I wonder if he has a Mythical Zoan Sea King model. Hard to imagine anything stronger then a sea king
Or go look for Law, why are people avoiding this? Instead of withdrawing from Shichi or telling Kaidou, just go look for Law. Someone on an island will see them when they pass by eventually to stop and buy stuff, look for them get CC back. I doubt he will quit.
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@Foxy:
And your ignoring the Zoro bounty error because it makes you're argument look weaker.
Zoro's bounty only proves that Oda can commit mistakes, but it doesn't prove that what Law said was a mistake. However, you are insisting that the existence of more than one Admiral is a mistake based on a particular scene of a non-canon movie.
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Foxy. Just let go. There's some really strong evidence in this chapter about the Marines having more than one admiral. Don't be so stubborn to stick to an opinion that's based on a movie Oda himself said it could confuse people who watch the manga.
So Oda just showed that Coby was promoted to Captain and everything else is non-canon? That sounds awfully convenient for your argument.
Obviously the movie isn't important, but it did show some changes that happened in the main story.
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@Foxy:
You don't have to continue if you're getting so mad, take a breather.
And I do think that Oda made an error, he isn't omniscient.
I'm not getting mad, you are being stubborn and maybe thinking that the whole world revolves around English?
Have you not read what CCC posted, do you know better Japanese than CCC? Can you translate the exact Kanji to English? And yet even after CCC said it cannot be a grammatical error you keep repeating it to prove your weak argument. An argument which you continue based on personal beliefs rather than given facts.
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Or go look for Law, why are people avoiding this? Instead of withdrawing from Shichi or telling Kaidou, just go look for Law. Someone on an island will see them when they pass by eventually to stop and buy stuff, look for them get CC back. I doubt he will quit.
Dofla is trying to look for Law. Also, we don't know anything about Kaido's character.
Dofla: "Kaido, let's hunt Law down."
Kaido: "I already gave you money. I don't have time for this. DEATH!!"
Dofla: Xp