If it's solely an allegory for homosexual relationships, then what the hell is Stevonnie?
Steven Universe
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@Cyan:
If it's solely an allegory for homosexual relationships, then what the hell is Stevonnie?
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Basically what taboo and Wag said.
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@Cyan:
If it's solely an allegory for homosexual relationships, then what the hell is Stevonnie?
Also, for serious for a second, I was mostly talking about Garnet in particular.
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So they're going to blow through a whole wad of episodes in a week again.
In March.
Ugh. I'd really rather have the 21 episodes spread out over 5 months than have a five month gap of nothing immediately following a previous 2 month gap of nothing.
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It's true that constantly being on haitus does sorta diwindle interest or even keeping up with a show, and the Bombs is sort of a good compormise to remedy that. But.. I really don't know what to think at this point. I hear that the network is mostly making the decisions to air it the way it does now for ratings purposes, but it really doesn't make sense unless the reality is that they are short on finished episodes to show(which is barely true since I've seen writers of the show sit on episodes they did for a reeeeaaaaal long time before they even aired)
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Wait, so we aren't getting new episodes until next year?! After Legend of Korra and Gravity Falls, it seems its now more or less a prerequisite for shows I'm into to develop fucked up release schedules
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The erratic release schedule of SU is so odd to me… I mean, I just found Gravity Falls so I have stuff to watch for now... but still, nooooooo.
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Looks like I picked a good time to catch up…
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Near as I can tell, they did a bomb with some show or another and it did well in the ratings, so they switched to doing it for all their shows.
Nevermind that these things are in 11 minute chunks and the entire point of that kind of runtime in the first place was to double the overall episode count… so you could run new material throughout the year. I'm sure it does okay for the ratings, it must if they're keeping this up.... but that's gotta hurt longterm interest. Especially with kids.
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Remember when they used to air two 11-minute episodes in a half-hour block? Can't we just go back to that?
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All these bombs and hiatuses are starting to get boring. And after that bomb, I assume it's back to hiatus?
I don't know who's in charge of planning the schedule, but they need to realize this is hurting the series. Especially since the episodes are only 11 minutes. With Gravity Falls I could stand it because the episodes you finally got were gorgeous 20-minute shows, plus you could fill the time between episodes cracking codes and creating theories. Steven Universe doesn't work the same way.
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Man, I was starting to enjoy slowly getting episodes on a week by week basis. Reminded me of the good old days~
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According to all this talk after Steven Universe goes on break I need to start watching Gravity Falls.
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According to all this talk after Steven Universe goes on break I need to start watching Gravity Falls.
First, yes. I'd highly recommend the show.
Second, funny enough, I think Gravity Falls is a great example of a show that people might lose interest in due to so many hiatuses. Looking at the episodes ratings wise, it's been kinda consistent, with long hiatuses actually leading to a slight boost in views once it comes back (and if you look at wikipedia, the show moved to Disney XD in season 2, so that's why the ratings are lower than season 1, but for Disney XD those ratings are pretty phenomenal). But overall I think the interest in the show has waned, at least, I feel that way from this forum's perspective.
Third, I bring this up because like Gravity Falls, it looks like Steven Universe is putting up shorts in the interim (admittedly they've put up shows before, but this is something new and different than what they've been putting up, it's not the classroom-esque segments)
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Tumblr once again shows the world how "progressive" they are.
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/zamii070-harassment-controversy
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Now, to be honest, I've never really seen this show. But I've been surrounded by people who do watch it, as well as fanart/content; and I've got to say that over the course of several months it's gotten me very interested. To the point where any day now I might just start watching it myself. Now, I know it isn't right to judge a fandom based off of shit like this; from what I've seen most of the fandom is a great, fun place to be. However. Time and time again, one very specific part of the fandom raise it's ugly head and does shit like this.
They've done it before. Writing slanderous reviews as a "joke" in regards to a location in an episode without taking into consideration the effects on that person's business (aka, their livelihood), relentlessly attacking japanese artist "gashi-gashi" (who just so happens to be one of my favorite artists) for the unforgivable crime of drawing Garnet a lighter shade of red, and countless examples of exploding with vitriol over having their headcannons questioned. Shit like this is what poisons a show; and god damn does it piss me off to see it happen to a show this good.
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The people who consider Tumblr progressive are the same people who mob anything that slightly deviates from their world view. They're equally as annoying as the people who bash Tumblrs supposed progressive platform because most of tumblr is just interested in cool pics, animal pics, cool animals pics, and porn.
That's aside bullying continues to be a bad thing to do to people. I don't think bringing other places drama to this place is productive for the thread because there is a lot of it if people here actually want to go into it and it's all the same type of awful. That's just my two cents on the SU fandom and everything that might come with it.
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I think I'd be madder if I didn't deal with this in the adventure time fandom
Bullying in any form is terrible but I met a girl in the AT fandom who claimed to attempt suicide every other week and blamed it on someone I know did not harass her. A friend tells me how this girl named my friend as a person who drove her to attempt suicide, etc, and now my friend is getting harassed with anon mail
It's basically fandom wankery and I'm pretty darn sure it's not exclusive to SU
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Didn't the Steven Universe fanbase go after a Japanese artist for "drawing Garnet too light" or something like that?
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Didn't the Steven Universe fanbase go after a Japanese artist for "drawing Garnet too light" or something like that?
Yeah, they did. I actually mentioned it it my mini-rant, lol.
The artist in question goes by "Gashi-Gashi", and he just so happens to be one of my favorite artists.
As I mentioned all before; so when he got heat I was additionally annoyed.
This is the pic that set them off:
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Yeah, they did. I actually mentioned it it my mini-rant, lol.
Oh, man, I didn't even notice the rant; I just saw the last couple posts and scrolled up to see the link and the Armstrong picture before responding.
The artist in question goes by "Gashi-Gashi", and he just so happens to be one of my favorite artists.
As I mentioned all before; so when he got heat I was additionally annoyed.
This is the pic that set them off:
Looks more like the lighting effects are making her look pale to me than Garnet actually being light-skinned. Her arms and the areas of her hand away from the gems in her palms are definitely darker.
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First, yes. I'd highly recommend the show.
Second, funny enough, I think Gravity Falls is a great example of a show that people might lose interest in due to so many hiatuses. Looking at the episodes ratings wise, it's been kinda consistent, with long hiatuses actually leading to a slight boost in views once it comes back (and if you look at wikipedia, the show moved to Disney XD in season 2, so that's why the ratings are lower than season 1, but for Disney XD those ratings are pretty phenomenal). But overall I think the interest in the show has waned, at least, I feel that way from this forum's perspective.
Third, I bring this up because like Gravity Falls, it looks like Steven Universe is putting up shorts in the interim (admittedly they've put up shows before, but this is something new and different than what they've been putting up, it's not the classroom-esque segments)
please sir. can I have some more.
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I suggest to anyone that's seeing that latest "SU tumblr drama controversy" on the surface to just… do more research into the matter before justifying your own anger, or don't bother touching or bringing up the issue in other outlets(especially here). It's not in any way gonna help or benefit anyone.
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A fusion short
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So the extra bits in a fusion aren't a bug, they're a feature? Huh.
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A while ago (when season 6 of AT was over) I decided to give a try on SU because of Rebecca Sugar and a friend of mine who was in love with it.
I managed to watch 5 episodes before giving up. :pouty:So now, on the renewed Sugar hype thanks to AT:Stakes, I decided to give it a second chance and started it again from the first episode.
I managed to watch 8 episodes before giving up. :getlost:I decided to google and find more people who simply couldn't get into the series. I found many rants, lots of people who disliked the series but unfortunately none for the same reasons as I (most of them were complaining about incosistent power levels or things like that).
! My reasons were basically that Steven was the most annoying brat in the world not to mention his
can't-stay-shut-for-more-than-3-secondsvoice and the gems were terrible adults as they never tried to educate him. It seems they saw Steven more as a dog than as a child and would never hold him responsible for his errors because the poor thing doesn't know better. That and the fact the comedy factor was really weak and that's always one of my main interests in cartoons.
But I saw this person saying "try to keep going until you reach episode 25 and then you'll know if this series is really for you or not".Well, episode 25 seemed like an eternity away from where I was, seeing as each 10min episode was like an endless torture with me just thinking "what is wrong with this people?". But I decided to give it a try the next day and watch at least one more episode before giving up… and, well, it seems Tiger Millionaire did the magic.
Ever since the 9th, I am loving every episode so far. I am still worried about Steven as an adult for the way he is being raised up, but that aside none of my previous complaints is bothering me anymore. I'm in episode 30 now and it seems I will be following this series regularly once I catch up. -
I got that the gems were both doing a fine job and not knowing what the hell they were doing in the water temple.
I liked Stephen from the cat golem episode and Tigger millionaire that I saw first, I liked that even when he messed up he was able to solve stuff.
Pearl and amethyst were a hard sell, I started to enjoy them latter, but garnet and Steven I loved from the start.
Also too many birthdays was such an emotional rollercoaster and its like chapter 10 or something.
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A while ago (when season 6 of AT was over) I decided to give a try on SU because of Rebecca Sugar and a friend of mine who was in love with it.
I managed to watch 5 episodes before giving up. :pouty:Yeah, the first dozen or so episodes are all the weakest and kind of hard to watch. There's some subtle worldbuilding, but for most people it doesn't start clicking till a ways in.
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Yeah, the first dozen or so episodes are all the weakest and kind of hard to watch. There's some subtle worldbuilding, but for most people it doesn't start clicking till a ways in.
While there's a some good ones here and there like Giant Woman or Joking Victom, I don't think the show really picked up til Mirror Gem / Ocean Gem episodes. This is when the main plot seems to start. Though, I think The Message - Full Disclosure is where a good majority of the fandom jump on board, due to The Return and more importantly "Stronger than You" moment.
On a side note, some of the prototypes for the Steven Universe Pop Figures are out;
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The show has been stellar since the first episode. I mean, ever started building a jigsaw puzzle from scratch with an idea of the picture might look like, and not really seeing it until you get more and more pieces together if you are willing to commit to it? Or perhaps you've already seen how the picture might look like on the box/surface and solely stick with it because there's this promise that you'd eventually see it once the pieces starts coming together.
Speaking in analogies here, but whatever happened to the idea of gleefully absorbing the charm or promise of something early on? It's like people expect things to immediately start off in the tail end of something grand. I feel the cancellations/low ratings of shows/comics/manga prob has something to do with this sort of thinking, but I unno. Maybe I'm taking this too personally, but whatevs.
I'm sure there are others that would agree loving the show since the start, even from those that got the hook from Jailbreak.
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Tiger Millionaire was where the show started clicking for me too, and Too Many birthdays drove it home. Its not that the first few episodes are bad, and they're world building from the start, but they felt a bit different in execution, humor, general vibe…its hard to put my finger on, but the mood and writing has shifted considerably, and Steven Too, from the ALL CAPS SCREAMING OH NO BEES I'M A LOVEABLE DOOF he was in the beginning. Though I suppose that counts as character development?
The show definetely felt a lot broader and more "ordinary" in the beginning, but I also guess that caught me off guard when the show started bending conventions, and expanding characters in surprising ways.All I can say is that the first 9 episodes were a hurdle for both me and my wife that we had to clear before being hooked for good.
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Never quite understood the love for Tiger Millionaire. I mean, yeah, it's a good episode; one of the better of the first dozen, but it didn't really hook me or anything.
Too Many Birthdays though. Yeah, that was the one that made me go, "Yeah, okay, I'm gonna see where this show goes."
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Wow, I feel really shallow now that Cheeseburger Backpack's scene with Garnet making a bridge with the pillar made me want to watch more.
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Wow, I feel really shallow now that Cheeseburger Backpack's scene with Garnet making a bridge with the pillar made me want to watch more.
No one is saying there was anything wrong with the early episodes. There were good moments in them, to be sure. Cookie Cat was great right from the start, for instance.
But the first bunch of episodes did have a different feel, vibe and pacing to them, a different thing they were trying to achieve.
Speaking in analogies here, but whatever happened to the idea of gleefully absorbing the charm or promise of something early on? It's like people expect things to immediately start off in the tail end of something grand.
Its NOT that everyone is going "OMG arc, arc, arc, i want end-game payoff!" Its that the first bunch of episodes the characters weren't as defined, or being explored, and the plots generally were "beat up random monster of the day". The overall feel and vibe of the whole thing was different. The arc didn't really start till Ocean Gem but there were plenty of good episodes after the first dozen before then. Giant WOman, Steven the Sword Fighter, Lion 2, Monster Buddies… and there was a lot more focus on character after the first dozen and not just "wacky antics!"
Giant Woman is the ep that finally hooked one of my friends, and for me it was Stephen and the Stephens (which was fairly late)... and that wasn't until after I'd already seen a bunch.
It's kind of like the first dozen episodes of Kim Possible. They're fine, but compared to the pacing and groove and character flow they have a little bit later, as even the writers and directors got more comfortable with things, the early ones feel really stilted and not-quite right and out of place. Even now, loving the series, trying to go back and watch the early ones is rough. It's telling that the show itself hasn't bothered doing any "random monster" eps in like 50 episodes. They've had a couple plot related monsters, but they haven't done the random monster since what, Beach Party? They grew past that.
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Uh, so now that SU is getting merch does that mean the show is safe from CN's cancel-loving fingers?
We're all on the same page on CN's cancellation policies, yes?
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I can't think of a show that started with everything and everyone clicking 100% into place from the first episode.
SU does take some episodes to warm up but the early episodes are cool and good, just…not going full blast like later episodes do.
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I think Gravity Falls pretty much started with most folks GENERALLY clicking 100% with it. I can't remember folks ever going "Yeaaah Gravity Falls….you're going to have to ease yourself into it as the first few eps are kind meh." If anything, I thought it took off immediately.
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I guess since Robby brought it up, the first episodes definitely had a different vibe in a lot of things.
"Monster of the week" still feels a little bit out of place right now, considering we still haven´t learned how exactly did the gems got "corrupted".
I also recall the term "Magic" being used a lot of times when talking about Gem related abilities. And this wasn´t Stephan (why is everyone calling him Stephan?) or the BC inhabitants. It was the Gems themselves that refered to their abilities as magic… which really isn´t.Other stuff, like the Sky Bug, the Time hourglass, the Drawing from Together Breakfast and some other artifacts... we never really got an explanation for these. I guess we can dismiss them as "Old Gem Technology", but most of them, along side with the Hourglass used in the pilot makes it seem like the show was supposed to be something like "The wacky and magical adventures of Stephan and his magic buddies team" and eventually developed into something less random.
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"Yeaaah Gravity Falls….you're going to have to ease yourself into it as the first few eps are kind meh."
Yo.
I don't remember where GF took off for me, but I do remember watching ep 1 for the first time and playing a game of 'called it' until the gnomes showed up.
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@Cyan:
I can't think of a show that started with everything and everyone clicking 100% into place from the first episode.
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Animaniacs. Gargoyles. Spectacular Spiderman. Peter Pan and the Pirates. Talespin. Over in live action you have Game of Thrones. The Wire. West Wing. Sure, the shows may get better with continuity and episodes behind them to know them better, but they didn't start out feeling different or with a different goal in mind or a generally lower quality. (Gravity Falls starts off entirely in its groove, and if you like the show or not isn't going to change much between episode 1 and episode 20.)Actually, the Disney Afternoon in general had pretty strong first episodes… but those were actually often done later in production or multi-parters, so maybe those aren't fair examples. I guess in general its not fair to judge pilot episodes that are doing the setup... but from shows that just jump in without real setup its still the first batch of episodes to judge.
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@Cyan:
I can't think of a show that started with everything and everyone clicking 100% into place from the first episode.
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Usually I have to like what a show has to offer from the 1st episode, else I either drop it or forget to keep up with it. Star vs the Forces of Evil I thought was pretty hard to swallow. Even 10 episodes in after taking a break from it wasn't enough to make me "feel" the show outside the artstyle… it kinda boiled down to my distaste in how the dialogue is typically written(It's very direct/topical and isn't subtle like most current CN shows). Steven on the other hand... had this very down to earth/slice of life feel with moments that felt like they were pulled out of a magic girl series. The moment where Steven was casually talking to his dad while looking through his junk in the storage, to the music that played when Rose's cannon fired was just about enough to to hook me to the show immediately.
Upon rewatching it with some friends, I also noticed different hook points. One friend for example liked the Lunar Sea Spire episode, solely for the raft gag and the fact that the Gems didn't belittle Steven for trying his best despite how things ended. And that's like the third episode. Different strokes, i guess.
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In my case the second episode got me interested. Notably when Steven explored the garage, and especially the Rose Canon moment. The episode that got me completely hooked was Ocean Gem. The soundtrack had a lot to do with it.
In Gravity Fall's case it had me hooked the first few seconds. Everything from the intro to the theme song is wonderfully done. Possibly the best first episode of anything I've watched. It was a similar case with MLP FiM, having someone narrate a legend with magical music is a great way to catch people's attention.
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They're kind of scary.
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Squarehead Pearl looks so…wrong
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Steven and Pearl are weird. Garnet is pretty good, actually, just her hair is looking like an ushanka… That Amethyst, though, is just the cutest thing ever.
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The Garnet looks fine until you notice the three soulless eyes behind the glasses.
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Pop figures are always horrifying. I have no idea why they're so popular when they're so consistently scary looking. But yeah I hate them.
And no, those coming out doesn't mean the show is getting any real merchandise or anything… POP does figures for damn near everything.