Discuss!!
Justice League in 2015
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2015 is not next year.
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Its not until 2015, actually.
And given how Green Lantern, the last Superman, Jonah Hex, and Catwoman movies went, I can't imagine it being good.
People even had problems with Nolan's third batflik, so…
I just don't think jumping straight into the deep end is a good idea. Avengers worked because they had a bunch of movies to set up and develop the characters.
But hey, get Paul Dini, Bruce Tim and Alan Burnett involved, and then I won't have any doubts.
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Yeah. They seem to be trying to do the opposite approach that Marvel did. Instead of making individual movies to build up to The Avengers, they're making the Justice League in the hope of being able to make individual movies based on the characters' status from the movie.
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Confirmed shooting next year.
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^^No worries, just messing with ya :P
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This doesn't feel earned at all. Marvel spent five movies dedicated to building up the Avengers. This feels like DC jumping onto the bandwagon without the care and love that went into the project. And it doesn't help that all the DC movies have been nothing but awful and soulless messes.
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I honestly thought Man of Steel would've been to the DC universe what Iron Man was to Marvel. I guess not…
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Its confirmed to begin shooting next year? director and casting announcements will either begin later in days to come, or early next year.
As predicted, this is just a rushed response to the success Avengers.
Before this was announced, I read a rumor saying that the reincarnated Batman will be spawned from this film, and I guess this means that rumor is true…
Terrible decision on their part.
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Damn. That reporter chick is ho–uh, I mean, OH BOY! A Justice League movie! Let's see how it goes.
Yeah.
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lets cram 5 origin stories into one movie and then cram another story on top of that or something so there's an actual reason all these people are in here together
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Hopefully, they'll just show the characters teaming up and not worry about origin stories that much. Of course, I don't know how well that will work for people who don't know their actual back stories. I at least hope it does well if only because it may mean the chance for more DC heroes to get their own movies.
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I see a possible advantage of this actually, DC hasn't really have much success with their superhero stuff outside Batman as of late also coupled with the failure ofcough cough* Green Lanterncough being no doubt partly the catalyst for doing a team up film before doing more individual franchises for Wonder Woman, Flash, and doing a Batman reboot, this film if good, may get the mainstream audiences to watch these single franchise movies of less popular characters like Wondy and Flash. Since lets face it the main draw for this film will be the "LADIES and GENTLEMAN FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER! !…BATMAN AND SUPERMAN WILL APPEAR ON FILM TOGETHER!" The film whether good or bad will still be a box office smash, as audiences will see it anyway and when that happens this film might get audiences to be more interested in the less popular characters in the DC universecoughWonder Woman* and maybe redeem coughGreen Lantern* if they manage to do something with them that will impress the mainstream enough to make them interested in seeing them in their own solo films. If this films fails, then only Batman and Superman are resilient enough to take that, the other characters aren't. The very livelihood of the less popular characters future in film depends on how well this film will do both critically and especially financially.
If they use Lantern again for this film, don't go with Hal again just use Jon Stewart( and get someone like Idris Elba to play him). They need to do a new take on Green Lantern that could hopefully spawn a healthy second movie, getting Ryan Reynolds would be a misstep. Also get Ryan Gosling to play Barry Allen's Flash, and also get a great fucking director. Don't get a "director for hire" like hacks like Brett Ratner, and Mc G, Get a guy like Josh Whedon who loves the characters and has a strong vision for them. That is the way to approach it.
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DC had Joss Whedon on tap to do Wonder Woman and then ditched him.
He then went on to do Avengers.
So… yeah.
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As one of the mainstream audience that doesn't know any of these characterwise beyond batman and some of their superpowers I have a hard time imagining that they'll get me to care about any of them within 1 film.
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I'll believe a Justice League movie is happening when it's actually out in theaters.
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Avengers is my favorite movie of all time so seeing DC trying to shamelessly copy the formula without the love, care, creative initiative or any of the ingredients used to put together and build up the story pisses me off.
@RobbyBevard:
DC had Joss Whedon on tap to do Wonder Woman and then ditched him.
He then went on to do Avengers.
So… yeah.
Seriously? Joss Whedon is like one of the few people in the business who even knows how to write female characters.
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Aquaman needs to be in it, or i will die.
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Aquaman needs to be in it, or i will die.
As much as I love Aquaman, we all know he's going to be replaced by Cyborg.
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As one of the mainstream audience that doesn't know any of these characterwise beyond batman and some of their superpowers I have a hard time imagining that they'll get me to care about any of them within 1 film.
Keep in mind, the Avengers made over a billion dollars which means certainly the large portion of the audiences who went to see the film were comprised of folks who didn't really go to see the solo marvel movies outside maybe Iron Man. Also lets not forget the Hulk who really not many went see his solo films(especially his first outing back in 2003) many of the audiences didn't even know hulk well outside that 70's show, and vague ideas about the character but Ruffalo's performance stole the show and garnered widespread praise, and reinvigorated the character's mainstream image after the slumps of his previous film outings in that ONE FILM. Hell while don't believe Hulk is necessarily comic book character that can carry a solo film, I think that film may have secured his chance for a new solo film, and lets be honest that film got folks interested in the Hulk again more than the previous solo films ever did.
You can introduce characters in a single team up film without solo films building them up. You have to make an impression, that's all what matters. If a new take on Green Lantern is reintroduced in this film played by someone like Idris Elba playing the Jon Stewart version instead of the Hal Jordan one and it's very good and impresses the hell outta people, which gets a good reputation for the character among the mainstream masses then hello revived franchise also add that with casting the same actor in new solo films, getting a better script and director=Financial success.
A great director or screenwriter is the ingredient to this success formula, whether WB can accomplish that remains to be seen.
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Why can't they just copy Marvel's formula starting with Man of Steel? I don't get their reasoning behind this, all I can think of is that they don't give a shit and are just doing this to counteract Avengers.
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Or what Bill said
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The movie will have no Phil Coulson. how can it succeed without him?
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Well, I suppose they can make due with Jimmy Olsen.
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Its ok if he's not in it, but if Cyborg gets in it instead then im gonna refuse to see it until it airs in Danish tv (and that will take a long time).
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I just hope the guys who make the animated movies are the same guys helping out with the actual live film. Those animated movies are really good and the live film can really use people who actually understand comics.
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There will probably be some of the not comic reading, fans of Christopher Nolans Batman movies who will become butthurt because its totally ruining the Batman universe.
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I just realized 2015 is the same year that Avengers 2 gets released….was this like intentional? Most likely.
Also I just read the Justice League film will be in its own continuity seperate from the solo films to come. This is a rumor, that should be taken as a grain of salt but if true than that's just retarded if true.
It'd be more advantageous to use this film for a springboard for the solo films to come, rather than making this irrelevant to them. It just causes audience confusion, and really is off putting. Also makes one question whats the point of making this film. Perhaps its because it allows solo directors to have freedom to do their own thing with the characters without having to abide by the continuity leash of being consistent with the world set in this Justice League universe.
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I'd rather have Micheal Jai White or Isiah Mustafah as Jon Stewart, Idris Elba doesn't seem right for some reason.
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whenever they get to cast Green Lantern again, please to god go with Jon Stewart, besides, he's more well known to mainstream audiences than Hal(thanks to that Justice League cartoon) and many of my non comic reading friends who were exposed to only the DCAU when seeing the Green Lantern film, were asking: "Why is Green Lantern white, wasn't he supposed to be black?"
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I wanna see how they not so much portray, but differentiate Batman from Nolan's.
I'm thinking, less realistic costume, maybe no growl voice, and really pushing the detective side.
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whenever they get to cast Green Lantern again, please to god go with Jon Stewart, besides, he's more well known to mainstream audiences than Hal(thanks to that Justice League cartoon) and many of my non comic reading friends who were exposed to only the DCAU when seeing the Green Lantern film, were asking: "Why is Green Lantern white, wasn't he supposed to be black?"
No that'd be terrible. Jordan is the best Green Lantern and has been the most succesful thanks to Johns' amazing run. Stewart was only in the JL cartoon for racial diversity anyway.
Should Jubilee headline the next X-Men movie since she was the POV character in the popular cartoon?
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I wanna see how they not so much portray, but differentiate Batman from Nolan's.
I'm thinking, less realistic costume, maybe no growl voice, and really pushing the detective side.
Eh, I definitely wouldn't go with less realistic costume, more like ''less armored" or more technical, synthetic suit while keeping more to the Georgina gray suit design sans the underwear(which would look stupid in live action anyway) also bring back the iconic yellow bat-insignia that the 89 film from the Neal Adams era of the comics.
Basically this,
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No that'd be terrible. Jordan is the best Green Lantern and has been the most succesful thanks to Johns' amazing run. Stewart was only in the JL cartoon for racial diversity anyway.
And the JLA cartoon reached millions of viewers, ran for years and was the most successful showing of that group of characters in the last 30 years.
The comic reaches less than 100,000, regardless of how good a current comic run is.
Jon Stewart is currently the better known Green Lantern to most people.
Similarly, for the next few years anyway, Robin, Raven, Beast Boy, Starfire and Cyborg are better known than almost any other character in the DCU aside from Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman.
Slade is one of the best known villains. Not Deathstroke the Terminator… Slade.
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Hal Jordan was in a major motion picture that reached more audiences than a TV show and made the name Green Lantern well known throughout the rest of the world instead of just the USA.
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yeah i'd rather have john stewart
fuck that other guy
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Hal Jordan was in a major motion picture that reached more audiences than a TV show and made the name Green Lantern well known throughout the rest of the world instead of just the USA.
Said motion picture also bombed. But ultimately which GL they include in the movie is ultimately up to them bad movie or not.
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No that'd be terrible. Jordan is the best Green Lantern and has been the most succesful thanks to Johns' amazing run. Stewart was only in the JL cartoon for racial diversity anyway.
Should Jubilee headline the next X-Men movie since she was the POV character in the popular cartoon?
Bleh, no offense but what an awful post. I fail to see what would be ''terrible'' about it. Okay, perhaps Hal Jordan is your preference for Green Lantern, and maybe your arguing that'd its a shallow idea to cast juts case of familiarity with one version done in a cartoon, hell I only suggested it because from the very few comics of Green Lantern I've read(borrowed from friends) Hal has always been a boring character to me, in contrast to better characters like Guy or Jon(in my opinion) plus I'd think I'd help to go with a different character from the Green Lantern lore. Also I already know Jon Stewart was in the Justice League cartoon because of the cartoon superhero version of affirmative action, which makes half your post pointless. I mean anyone with half a brain could figure out that's the case since since he's the only black superhero character added to an all white superhero team. Also shall I remind you the mainstream doesn't generally read comics, so Hal is the most successful of Green Lantern's comic book wise.
Anywho, they will most likely go with Hal Jordan anyway for this film, since unfortunately for me he is the character most associated with the title.
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It doesn't matter than it bombed. There was a massive ad campaign with a white dude with a green ring and everyone saw that.
Being well known isn't what matters anyway. It's how much you can do with the character. John Steward is a one-dimensional ANGRY AT EVERYTHING guy who's never had a good storyline. Nobody knew who the Avengers or Iron man were either and that was a success story, because the characters involved had good stories to build a movie from. So does Hal Jordan. But not John Steward.
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Hal Jordan was in a major motion picture that reached more audiences than a TV show and made the name Green Lantern well known throughout the rest of the world instead of just the USA.
In a bad way. The movie bombed and was mostly seen as terrible…. and is going to be disregarded prior to the JL movie ANYWAY.
Plus many people who saw it were just confused by him not being a black guy.
4 years of successful tv show (plus reruns) outweigh 1 badly received outing that the company has done its best job to bury and pretend never happened.
The current show isn't doing very well either.
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It doesn't matter than it bombed. There was a massive ad campaign with a white dude with a green ring and everyone saw that.
Being well known isn't what matters anyway. It's how much you can do with the character. John Steward is a one-dimensional ANGRY AT EVERYTHING guy who's never had a good storyline. Nobody knew who the Avengers or Iron man were either and that was a success story, because the characters involved had good stories to build a movie from. So does Hal Jordan. But not John Steward.
This point is the same I made.
To be fair, the sole reason Jon Stewart was created was pretty much superhero comics affirmative action. Also from the few comics I've read with Hal Jordan, he is just as bland as your describing Jon Stewart, yeah more developed but still kinda boring character.The problem with Stewart is that not many writers are willing to take the character further outside stereotypical "tough angry black guy" there's not much effort to give him a good story, unlike say the fan-favorite Hal Jordan who lets be honest here is more than a little overexposed by comic writers. -
Idris Elba as Jon Stewart=YES PLEASE!. Guy needs more work.
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They really should the marvel formula and set up these charcters in there own movies then make a big team movie.
If warner wants to make a big money makeing team superhero movie…..why not just make a really good Superman and Batman crossover movie. That will get people's asses in the seat than this movie will.
And hey if the movie does fail....Warners will reboot the whole thing and do what Marvel did.
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I assumed they're keeping Henry Cavill anyway since they're rebooting right now with him. I don't think Superman will change.
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@Thousand:
Idris Elba as Jon Stewart=YES PLEASE!. Guy needs more work.
Fun-Fact: Idris Elba was originally signed up to portray Alex Cross in the new Alex Cross movie, but for some inane and retarded reason, was replaced by Tyler Perry. And people wonder why the film flopped so hard and was widely disliked.
my apologizes if I offend any Tyler Perry fans, but Tyler Perry simply cannot be a badass.
Someone married their stepmom and then got murdered?
Sounds like he used a monkey paw to make a porno story come true.
Then the curse of the paw eventually killed him.
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@Rogues':
Fun-Fact: Idris Elba was originally signed up to portray Alex Cross in the new Alex Cross movie, but for some inane and retarded reason, was replaced by Tyler Perry. And people wonder why the film flopped so hard and was widely disliked.
my apologizes if I offend any Tyler Perry fans, but Tyler Perry simply cannot be a badass.
Holy sh** that was Tyler Perry in that movie? I didn't even realize it… I'm used to his comedy movies so i didn't even recognize him
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I would prefer Hal Jordan (I don't want time spent in the movie explaining why Stewart is there!!), but I wouldn't object to John.
Also, I hope to God this JL movie makes the world love Aquaman. I just get pissed when people say he's lame!!Unfortunately, I doubt this is happening. Didn't they have the movie all set up and everything a while ago, and then it just stopped?
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Keep in mind, the Avengers made over a billion dollars which means certainly the large portion of the audiences who went to see the film were comprised of folks who didn't really go to see the solo marvel movies outside maybe Iron Man. Also lets not forget the Hulk who really not many went see his solo films(especially his first outing back in 2003) many of the audiences didn't even know hulk well outside that 70's show, and vague ideas about the character but Ruffalo's performance stole the show and garnered widespread praise, and reinvigorated the character's mainstream image after the slumps of his previous film outings in that ONE FILM. Hell while don't believe Hulk is necessarily comic book character that can carry a solo film, I think that film may have secured his chance for a new solo film, and lets be honest that film got folks interested in the Hulk again more than the previous solo films ever did.
You can introduce characters in a single team up film without solo films building them up. You have to make an impression, that's all what matters. If a new take on Green Lantern is reintroduced in this film played by someone like Idris Elba playing the Jon Stewart version instead of the Hal Jordan one and it's very good and impresses the hell outta people, which gets a good reputation for the character among the mainstream masses then hello revived franchise also add that with casting the same actor in new solo films, getting a better script and director=Financial success.
A great director or screenwriter is the ingredient to this success formula, whether WB can accomplish that remains to be seen.
Well I'd say it depends on the characters if every character in the JL is as layered as batman it's probably going to be pretty hard.
The Hulk character isn't that hard to get it's pretty much jekyll and hyde.
There is also the difference in numbers. It's as if the avengers movie would have had only iron man and (thor/hulk/cap/pick which you want) and 4 shield agents/hawkeyes that we know barely anything about. Now the avengers worked out because they had 3-4 characters that people somewhat knew and because hawkeye and black widow didn't get in the way of them.But whatever I really hope it works out. I kind of like superhero movies. Would be nice to have another really good one but for now I'm pretty sceptical.
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Yeah. Does anyone have any friends that watched the Avengers without knowing any of the characters or watching any of the previous films? If so, what was the appeal?
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@Sniper:
(I don't want time spent in the movie explaining why Stewart is there!!),
Don't worry. The movie is going to have a whole bunch of new people that nobody knows. It won't explain why any of them are there!
