Blackbeard doesn't have to add any crewmembers to be a yonkou.
Chapter 651 : "The Voice From The New World"
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@cooldud_21:
NEWSFLASH: Fleet Admiral Sakazuki just shifted the HQ to the other side of the world. The marines have become more proactive in wiping out the pirate menace now. Read this arc more carefully, or a few panels in the previous chapter, if reading the entire arc is too much.
Nope he does not. All he needs to do is tame the immediate threat hanging over their head and see to it that they ultimately become self-reliant for their own protection. He's their friend, not their nanny.
You should be the one to read more carefully things here,dude…I just said that marines are not as strong and proeminent in the New World as they are in the first half of Grandline...that's what I said.The fact that Akainu shifted the HQ to the other side of the world turning the marines' presence there stronger changed this?They're as proeminent and strong in the New World now as they're in the first half of grandline?Hmm...i guess that... not.
Also, without using Shirahoshi's power,how do you expect the people of Fishman Island to stand by themselves against the hordes of vile pirates that usually go there?Ahhh,right...because when Whitebeard was alive, he just put his flag there because he liked to act as a nanny towards his old friend Neptune,un? Declaring that place his turf was totally unnecessary,right? And when Luffy challenged Big Mom and said that he would make Fishman island his turf, he knew very well that Shirahoshi was an ancient weapon,correct? Ahh...such a flawless logic... -
You should be the one to read more carefully things here,dude…I just said that marines are not as strong and proeminent in the New World as they are in the first half of Grandline...that's what I said.The fact that Akainu shifted the HQ to the other side of the world turning the marines' presence there stronger changed this?They're as proeminent and strong in the New World now as they're in the first half of grandline?Hmm...i guess that... not.
We know nothing about their current relative strengths in either sea. All we know is they are more ruthless in general under Sakazuki's stewardship, as opposed to before.
Also, without using Shirahoshi's power,how do you expect the people of Fishman Island to stand by themselves against the hordes of vile pirates that usually go there?Ahhh,right…because when Whitebeard was alive, he just put his flag there because he liked to act as a nanny towards his old friend Neptune,un? Declaring that place his turf was totally unnecessary,right? And when Luffy challenged Big Mom and said that he would make Fishman island his turf, he knew very well that Shirahoshi was an ancient weapon,correct? Ahh...such a flawless logic...
They have three grown up princes with enough sense of responsibility and screen-time to make the reader guess that they might be the leaders and protectors of tomorrow, given the correct guidance. Newgate has a different view of the world than Roger, and Luffy's personal philosophy aligns more with the latter. Of course I might be proved wrong in the future, but have we heard of any island being Roger's 'turf'? And mind you, this was a man who destroyed a country's army for insulting his friend. Also, more practically, Newgate's large fleet enabled him to declare any area of the world his territory, because he could have dispatched the nearest division to anyone transgressing his territory. How do you suppose Luffy will practically handle a situation like that?
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The three eyed lady is already a fan favorite and is on track on becoming "Perona 2.0"…I hate her already....Only thing that can change that is if she has amazingly awesome powers and an eyeball-melting awesome fight.
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ONE PIECE 651 RAW HQ
http://filepost.com/files/ab45eb1c/One-Piece_651.zip
Found in 2ch.
Dammit, I hate it when I read through a chapter, I miss out on so many details! All the more reason to re-read each of them.
Hmph, the panel where Sanji imagines Big Mom is indeed written in Japanese. Where did I get the idea that it was written in English… And how did I miss that Tamago's top hat is a tea cup that he sips out of? How does it not slip when he tilts his head up?
Why a compass, Zoro?And now you show up, Pandaman!? What happened to your merpal!? Aaaaaagh!!?[/jumps out of window]
One day, everyone will understand that the Compass Birds are in fact the most important clue to the Void Century.
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Dammit, I hate it when I read through a chapter, I miss out on so many details! All the more reason to re-read each of them.
Hmph, the panel where Sanji imagines Big Mom is indeed written in Japanese. Where did I get the idea that it was written in English… And how did I miss that Tamago's top hat is a tea cup that he sips out of? How does it not slip when he tilts his head up?
Why a compass, Zoro?And now you show up, Pandaman!? What happened to your merpal!? Aaaaaagh!!?[/jumps out of window]
Maybe Oda was staring at his drawing tools and saw a compass, and used it as the base for Tamago's design? So for him the joke, "looks like a compass was pretty obvious?" haha, just guessing,
I really HOPE that 3 eyed lady doesn't become the next Perona!
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It was kinda nice to see how ever one on Fishman island loved Luffy and worried about his safety. Being under Luffy's protection really is the best solution. With Luffy owning FI and having Jenbe in his crew the Fishman will look as independent as ever. Especially if it's beaten into the world not to fuck with his Nakama like half the people in paradise already know.
Big Mam's demeanor is worrying though. Knowing Oda when Luffy charges in like an asshole he usually thoroughly get's fucked like one. If he doesn't met some kind of problem then we know he's going to get it in the long run. Big Mam doesn't seem like a fool either she was probably just testing Luffy to see what he would do but now she'll have to tear him a new one just to keep her rep.
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Looks like the predication of Luffy destroying Fishman island may still come true.
Love this chapter. It's chapters like this that make one piece the best manga running in jump. It was that epic.
Anyone else thinks that big mama might be Lola mother.
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Also keep in mind, Luffy's no ordinary pirate who's a rookie to the New World. The whole world knows that he's a crazy pirate who attacked Enies Lobby, a Tenryuubito, broke in and out of Impel Down, participated in the War, and returned to Marineford and rang the Ox Bell 16 times. Not to mention they know he's the adoptive brother of the late Ace (who they also know is the late Pirate King's son), the son of Dragon, and the grandson of Garp. He's got a massive reputation for someone who's never been to the New World yet. And after 2 years of inactivity, he's gone back to doing crazy stuff by declaring war on one of the Yonkou. When he defeats her and claims Fishman Island as his territory, his reputation will go up even more and should be enough to protect Fishman Island, especially since most pirates coming to Fishman Island are those who are rookies to the New World.
I think ppl like Kidd wouldn't give a rats arse. No matter how infamous he might be. And Luffy has no henchman there to back this claim up. Unless maybe Jinbei joins and then becomes his man at Fishman island. Luffy himself will not want to return to Fishman Island once he's halfway through the new world.
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I think ppl like Kidd wouldn't give a rats arse. No matter how infamous he might be. And Luffy has no henchman there to back this claim up. Unless maybe Jinbei joins and then becomes his man at Fishman island. Luffy himself will not want to return to Fishman Island once he's halfway through the new world.
Well,you don't need people stationed at FI to protect it.You just need the fearsome reputation.WB doesn't go to FI whenever a pirate group harasses mermaids,nor does he have people stationed.It's that seeing the Strawhat pirate flag,people think " oh shit,it's the infamous strawhats,they defeated a yonkou,if word goes out that we kidnapped mermaids on his territory,he'll find us and we're as good as dead". And we saw fodder pirates at Sabody have panic attacks at the sight of the real Monkey D Luffy.
But Shira's powers could be good for Luffy's rep.If she uses seamonsters to detroy pirate ships will ill-intent in the name of Luffy,that'll raise his rep through the roof.
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@Baou:
Well,you don't need people stationed at FI to protect it.You just need the fearsome reputation.WB doesn't go to FI whenever a pirate group harasses mermaids,nor does he have people stationed.It's that seeing the Strawhat pirate flag,people think " oh shit,it's the infamous strawhats,they defeated a yonkou,if word goes out that we kidnapped mermaids on his territory,he'll find us and we're as good as dead". And we saw fodder pirates at Sabody have panic attacks at the sight of the real Monkey D Luffy.
how do you know that? his crew was huge. There could have been an ambassador of sorts on any of his islands, didn't had to be someone strong since people never messed with whitebeards crewmates anyway.
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how do you know that? his crew was huge. There could have been an ambassador of sorts on any of his islands, didn't had to be someone strong since people never messed with whitebeards crewmates anyway.
We didn't see anyone during the Fisher Tiger flashback.And Big Mom has a large crew,and she doesn't have anyone.The reputation that's attached to the pirates flag is enough to prevent people from going wild.
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@Baou:
**We didn't see anyone during the Fisher Tiger flashback. And Big Mom has a large crew,and she doesn't have anyone.**The reputation that's attached to the pirates flag is enough to prevent people from going wild.
Sorry but for the first part. Why would we see someone of whitebeards crew during FTs flashback? They were totally inrelevant to the happenings there so it's normal that we didn't see any. To the second part, big mom doesn't care for fishmen island so it's understandable why no one is stationed there. Thanks to her reputation she probably though "free candy tribute without work!" (And we just saw how that panned out but that's besides the point).
Bottom line is given the limited things we know of her character she isn't the type to station people on guard there, whereas Whitebeard certainly would do so.Also just to be clear I'm not making a case here that Whitebeard definitely had crewmates on any of his islands. I'm just saying we don't know and the possibility exists and is reasonably probable.
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how the hell is luffy suppose to beat a yonkou. i mean sure he's stronger now after the 2 years but to face an emperor. he already has to go up against BB but now BIG MOM.man luffy got balls to talk don to her like that. wow.on the cover page is the a horse or something else that suppose to be brook?hella of a chapter
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And you know that the lion's main style of fighting is his sword?
The point is, you can't just look at an enemy and go "oh he has a sword, Zoro"
Yes I can, I just did it.
Trolling aside, it was just a hunch, since Pekoms doesn't give a vibe of being fodder but rather one of the main commanders of Mom's crew. Same with Tamago. And the strongest from a group of bad guys rarely have weapons that are not their main style.
Just a opinion based in a hunch, nothing else.
Wait…...are you serious?
Yes, why?
naruto was WAY MORE KICKASS after the timeskip
i mean to show his badassness, him and sakura managed to get the bell from kakashi. beating pacifista's is so lame compared to that awesomeness
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Yo, when Big mam was introduced, did she just eat some people?
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i still think the reason the 3-eye'd girl didn't get a Oda-box or name is because she is actually somehow Big Mom
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This chapter pretty much blindsided me. I usually enjoy Oda's character intros, and this was one of those chapters.
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Nice spread but I just can't get into this whole Strawhats as animals thing. I dunno. I'm curious to know if Kokoro is still hiding the fact that she's a mermaid next chapter.
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Caribou got totally punked off screen. I didn't think he'd be much of a threat, but I definitely didn't see that coming. He damn near didn't even matter for this arc. He acted as a relatively weak excuse for the Strawhats to wind up with all the treasure, but really it seems like the only thing he was good for was eventually leaking the info about Shirahoshi being Poseidon.
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Luffy should know better than to ask Zoro for directions.
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Pekoms! It seems that Bepo isn't alone in the OP world for talking animals. I really want to know what's up with them.
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Baron Tamago! I had no idea there was a long leg tribe. I wonder why they didn't show up on the Sabaody slave list. The teacup has is hilarious, but really he's most unique for his ever changing sentence suffixes. A lot of Oda characters throw something specific on the end of their lines, but I can't recall ever seeing someone who's constantly changing it up to a theme. I'm guessing that bonnichiwa is a pun based on his speech quirk. I don't really understand Zoro's compass comment, though.
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Big Mam! Wow. Definitely didn't see something that grotesque coming. Poor Sanji is going to be destroyed by meeting her. She drools stomach acid and… eats people? I'm really not sure what to make of this. What throws me the most is the sound effects of the snapping bones and such. Normally I'd just assume something along the lines of Wapol was happening and move on, but this time I'm not really so sure what to think. I'm also a bit thrown off by cake island. That's pretty wacky even for OP (the canon stuff at least). I wonder what horrible ways there are to die on that island.
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More new characters! The three eyed girl is interesting. She looks neat, but I dread the thought of all the terrible arguments pushing her as the next crewmate that we all know are coming (and probably already have). Bobbin might be the only one that was more initially jarring to me than Big Mam. He's got an amusing design with the tiny mask, but that panel in which he's moving his head from side to side is downright freaky. "The beasts of Big Mam's crew" that's no joke.
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I really like the conclusion of the chapter. I wasn't sure it'd be possible for Luffy to become the protector of the island by choice and stay in character. It's totally believable after reading this chapter, though. So much for him not being a hero. I still think his crew is too small to back it up, but the threat will probably be all the island needs. I also like seeing Kid's name get dropped as antagonizing Big Mam, and the whole conversation about treasure. I find it hilarious that two world class pirate captains are treating tons of gold as less important than food on the bargaining table. Talk about sticking to ideals.
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A lot of hanging plot threads were quickly wrapped up in these last two chapters. I'm not sure I want to try to list them all off the top of my head after not thinking about it for 2 weeks since I'm sure I'd forget some, but now that the chance of Big Mam coming to the island is pretty much toast, there's not a whole lot left. There are some things surrounding Shirahoshi/Poseidon, like Caribou's new found knowledge of it and the prophecy that Decken spoke of. There's also Jinbe's situation, and I can't help but wonder if these Big Mam developments will change anything for him, like causing him to reprioritize. I'm still thinking Mariejoa is next up, but it certainly seems less likely after this chapter.
It was a fun chapter but it didn't leave much to speculate on. I found myself mostly just reacting.
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i still think the reason the 3-eye'd girl didn't get a Oda-box or name is because she is actually somehow Big Mom
I think this as well, it seems similar to the Hulk or Doctor Jekyll and Mr. Hyde
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- Baron Tamago! I had no idea there was a long leg tribe. I wonder why they didn't show up on the Sabaody slave list. The teacup has is hilarious, but really he's most unique for his ever changing sentence suffixes. A lot of Oda characters throw something specific on the end of their lines, but I can't recall ever seeing someone who's constantly changing it up to a theme. I'm guessing that bonnichiwa is a pun based on his speech quirk. I don't really understand Zoro's compass comment, though.
Longlegs were mentioned, actually. Also, Luffy still isn't the protector of the island yet. He has to defeat Big Mom first for this to happen.
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This chapter pretty much blindsided me. I usually enjoy Oda's character intros, and this was one of those chapters.
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Nice spread but I just can't get into this whole Strawhats as animals thing. I dunno. I'm curious to know if Kokoro is still hiding the fact that she's a mermaid next chapter.
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Caribou got totally punked off screen. I didn't think he'd be much of a threat, but I definitely didn't see that coming. He damn near didn't even matter for this arc. He acted as a relatively weak excuse for the Strawhats to wind up with all the treasure, but really it seems like the only thing he was good for was eventually leaking the info about Shirahoshi being Poseidon.
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Luffy should know better than to ask Zoro for directions.
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Pekoms! It seems that Bepo isn't alone in the OP world for talking animals. I really want to know what's up with them.
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Baron Tamago! I had no idea there was a long leg tribe. I wonder why they didn't show up on the Sabaody slave list. The teacup has is hilarious, but really he's most unique for his ever changing sentence suffixes. A lot of Oda characters throw something specific on the end of their lines, but I can't recall ever seeing someone who's constantly changing it up to a theme. I'm guessing that bonnichiwa is a pun based on his speech quirk. I don't really understand Zoro's compass comment, though.
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Big Mam! Wow. Definitely didn't see something that grotesque coming. Poor Sanji is going to be destroyed by meeting her. She drools stomach acid and… eats people? I'm really not sure what to make of this. What throws me the most is the sound effects of the snapping bones and such. Normally I'd just assume something along the lines of Wapol was happening and move on, but this time I'm not really so sure what to think. I'm also a bit thrown off by cake island. That's pretty wacky even for OP (the canon stuff at least). I wonder what horrible ways there are to die on that island.
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More new characters! The three eyed girl is interesting. She looks neat, but I dread the thought of all the terrible arguments pushing her as the next crewmate that we all know are coming (and probably already have). Bobbin might be the only one that was more initially jarring to me than Big Mam. He's got an amusing design with the tiny mask, but that panel in which he's moving his head from side to side is downright freaky. "The beasts of Big Mam's crew" that's no joke.
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I really like the conclusion of the chapter. I wasn't sure it'd be possible for Luffy to become the protector of the island by choice and stay in character. It's totally believable after reading this chapter, though. So much for him not being a hero. I still think his crew is too small to back it up, but the threat will probably be all the island needs. I also like seeing Kid's name get dropped as antagonizing Big Mam, and the whole conversation about treasure. I find it hilarious that two world class pirate captains are treating tons of gold as less important than food on the bargaining table. Talk about sticking to ideals.
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A lot of hanging plot threads were quickly wrapped up in these last two chapters. I'm not sure I want to try to list them all off the top of my head after not thinking about it for 2 weeks since I'm sure I'd forget some, but now that the chance of Big Mam coming to the island is pretty much toast, there's not a whole lot left. There are some things surrounding Shirahoshi/Poseidon, like Caribou's new found knowledge of it and the prophecy that Decken spoke of. There's also Jinbe's situation, and I can't help but wonder if these Big Mam developments will change anything for him, like causing him to reprioritize. I'm still thinking Mariejoa is next up, but it certainly seems less likely after this chapter.
It was a fun chapter but it didn't leave much to speculate on. I found myself mostly just reacting.
What you mean Kokoro is hiding she is a mermaid? Didn't the crew find out she was a mermaid back at Enies Lobby. And she isn't even at fishman island is she?
As said just above me, Longleg was on the list back at shabondy slave trade
Mentioned plenty of times in this topic, but the compass thing with zoro is referring to a graphing compass. Whether its the guy looks like one, or he turns like one is hard to tell. I can see when the anime gets to it, that he will be shown as having a pivot foot down and spin around that foot while turning like a graphing compass
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Longlegs were mentioned, actually. Also, Luffy still isn't the protector of the island yet. He has to defeat Big Mom first for this to happen.
Ah yes, it was about time my memory failed me on something so cut and dry. But I figured Luffy having to defeat Big Mam was obvious. I mean, he said as much at the end of the chapter, so I didn't see any reason to stress the point.
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I wonder if Luffy-Sanji-Zoro end up fighting Tamago and Pekomz over that call to Big Mam?
Probably not, but it might be a good way to gauge their fighting strength against those of Big Mam's crew, although with Tamago's admission about the "monsters" that make up the rest of the crew it seems like they're not the strongest.
More like courier-class, but I think they have to have a certain amount of strength to be food collectors for Big Mam.
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What you mean Kokoro is hiding she is a mermaid? Didn't the crew find out she was a mermaid back at Enies Lobby. And she isn't even at fishman island is she?
Not to the crew… what? I mean in general.
I'm referring to the cover page next week, which her and Chimney are due to appear on. Before Enies Lobby she hid the fact that she was a mermaid from everyone, and then seemed much more open about it afterwards. Mermaids have plenty of reason to hide the truth, so I'm curious whether she'll still be as open about it as she was immediately following Enies Lobby.
Mentioned plenty of times in this topic, but the compass thing with zoro is referring to a graphing compass. Whether its the guy looks like one, or he turns like one is hard to tell. I can see when the anime gets to it, that he will be shown as having a pivot foot down and spin around that foot while turning like a graphing compass
I considered a graphing compass as well, but his shape still makes no sense. I mean, if that's the case then ok, but it still seems a bit weird.
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See how he's twisting his legs? Its gotta be a graph compass, and from their reactions it seems like the agree with Zoro that he walks funny. Also, I wonder what that symbol means underneath Zoro's words? It shows up on mangareader as well, looks like a hook or something. -
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See how he's twisting his legs? Its gotta be a graph compass, and from their reactions it seems like the agree with Zoro that he walks funny. Also, I wonder what that symbol means underneath Zoro's words? It shows up on mangareader as well, looks like a hook or something.It's a manga-styled sweatdrop.Cause zoro's surprised/In shock
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Not to the crew… what? I mean in general.
I'm referring to the cover page next week, which her and Chimney are due to appear on. Before Enies Lobby she hid the fact that she was a mermaid from everyone, and then seemed much more open about it afterwards. Mermaids have plenty of reason to hide the truth, so I'm curious whether she'll still be as open about it as she was immediately following Enies Lobby.
.I am looking forward once we see Kokoro and Chimeny and do hope its next chapter and not another colorspread.
Please tell me in what chapter it says that she hid that she was a mermaid?True, in Franky's flashback she was shown as Tom's secretary, and her tail already split but I doubt she was hiding then. Tom, as a fishman, couldn't hide himself ans as she trusted her friend, I don't see her hiding. At Water 7 the people were more accepting of them, it was the Marines and govt that were preducied against them. More importantly, Kokoro married a human and had a son by him, so it seems that people at Water 7 are far more accepting than the snobs at SA since she was able to find love there.
If I am wrong please give a link to the chapter and page where it says she was hiding that she was a mermaid.
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I considered a graphing compass as well, but his shape still makes no sense. I mean, if that's the case then ok, but it still seems a bit weird.
Zoros weird like that in his strange/literal references to peoples designs.Like calling Sanji 'darts' cause the swirl eyebrow looks like a dart-board.
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@Baou:
Zoros weird like that in his strange/literal references to peoples designs.Like calling Sanji 'darts' cause the swirl eyebrow looks like a dart-board.
Exactly this, and if people are confused about what kind of compass, this is what he means:
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See how he's twisting his legs? Its gotta be a graph compass, and from their reactions it seems like the agree with Zoro that he walks funny.It looks to me like he's just taking a step. I do agree it's more likely a graphing compass than the alternative. Did anyone clarify the Japanese on that yet?
I am looking forward once we see Kokoro and Chimeny and do hope its next chapter and not another colorspread.
Please tell me in what chapter it says that she hid that she was a mermaid?True, in Franky's flashback she was shown as Tom's secretary, and her tail already split but I doubt she was hiding then. Tom, as a fishman, couldn't hide himself ans as she trusted her friend, I don't see her hiding. At Water 7 the people were more accepting of them, it was the Marines and govt that were preducied against them. More importantly, Kokoro married a human and had a son by him, so it seems that people at Water 7 are far more accepting than the snobs at SA since she was able to find love there.
If I am wrong please give a link to the chapter and page where it says she was hiding that she was a mermaid.
Well, there's the fact that Chimney didn't even know.
@Baou:
Zoros weird like that in his strange/literal references to peoples designs.Like calling Sanji 'darts' cause the swirl eyebrow looks like a dart-board.
Yeah, but he typically clarifies what he's talking about.
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I'm still wondering about Shirley's prediction. It makes less sense after each chapter. Luffy just saved Fishman Island again.
It looks to me like he's just taking a step. I do agree it's more likely a graphing compass than the alternative. Did anyone clarify the Japanese on that yet?
Zoro uses the word コンパス, Compass in katakana. It has the same ambiguity as the English word.
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I'm still wondering about Shirley's prediction. It makes less sense after each chapter. Luffy just saved Fishman Island again.
I'm of a somewhat firm opinion that that part is over and done with now. The pictures might not have lined up, but Shirley herself seemed to believe that she was witnessing her vision when Luffy was destroying Noah. I can't find a good reason to doubt her logic like I could with anyone else's.
Zoro uses the word コンパス, Compass in katakana. It has the same ambiguity as the English word.
I see, so it's totally unhelpful. Tamago looks more like a drawing compass, but Zoro's directional difficulty makes me think of the other kind.
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Yes I can, I just did it.
Trolling aside, it was just a hunch, since Pekoms doesn't give a vibe of being fodder but rather one of the main commanders of Mom's crew. Same with Tamago. And the strongest from a group of bad guys rarely have weapons that are not their main style.
Just a opinion based in a hunch, nothing else.
Yes, why?
Look @ the dialogue between Bobbin and Big Mom:
To me, this pretty much says those she sends to the islands to collect her sweets are strong: strong enough to destroy whole islands.
H T C - Hoje Tive Cá
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@HTC:
Look @ the dialogue between Bobbin and Big Mom:
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/9021/20111229053032.th.png
To me, this pretty much says those she sends to the islands to collect her sweets are strong: strong enough to destroy whole islands.
True, but keep in mind, even non-Super Nova's bounty pirates are capable of doing that, for what it's worth.
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Actually to me it looks like they went there to punish them after not delivering the sweets. It also looks like there is a bunch of guys with him who tagged along. In contrast there are just two on FI. Meaning those are two different kind of "teams" sent. The first one is raze and destroy the second one we have on FI are the ordinary lets check the shipment guys
I think that while they are decent fighters they are no match for those three in front of the factory, no match at all…
P.S. Also worth nothing that plural was used for ships of Big Mom as well as monsters that may come if sweets wont come. What I am getting at is, that it seems like Big Moms crew is a big one. And when we see introductions to Pekoms and Tamago we meet them as FIGHTERS...not commanders not special task force, not elite fighters but simply fighters...
So imo that means they are low tier in her crew
人事を尽くして天命を待つ
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I'm of a somewhat firm opinion that that part is over and done with now. The pictures might not have lined up, but Shirley herself seemed to believe that she was witnessing her vision when Luffy was destroying Noah. I can't find a good reason to doubt her logic like I could with anyone else's.
I see, so it's totally unhelpful. Tamago looks more like a drawing compass, but Zoro's directional difficulty makes me think of the other kind.
Maybe that is part of the joke. Zoro should be the last person in the world to mention anything about compases, yet here he is bringing up compases, YET it is teh different kind of compass and not a directional one.
So its a joke on both Zoro and the way this guy looks/moves
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@HTC:
Look @ the dialogue between Bobbin and Big Mom:
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To me, this pretty much says those she sends to the islands to collect her sweets are strong: strong enough to destroy whole islands.
Yea it is worth noting that the page you posted CLEARLY shows that if an Island doesn't pay up, its NOT big Mam who comes to destroy the island. Its the people she sent there. And it was stated yet AGAIN later in the chapter by the guys on fishman island that she would send her monsters to fishman island.
I'm wondering if Big Mam ever leaves the Big Cake Island.
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Where does it say that Chimney didn't know abiout her grandma being a mermaid? As I said I don't remember it ever being said. If so I want to reread it, please give a link to it.
http://8.p.s.mfcdn.net/store/manga/106/44-424.0/compressed/One_Piece_424_13.jpg
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Yea it is worth noting that the page you posted CLEARLY shows that if an Island doesn't pay up, its NOT big Mam who comes to destroy the island. Its the people she sent there. And it was stated yet AGAIN later in the chapter by the guys on fishman island that she would send her monsters to fishman island.
I'm wondering if Big Mam ever leaves the Big Cake Island.
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What if the 2 sent to Fishman's Island are 2 of the monsters mentioned? We don't have enough info @ this point to claim either way.
The way i see it is they are strong enough for the job albeit not necessarily belonging to the monsters mentioned: if not, that would mean the monsters would be much worse, i guess.
H T C - Hoje Tive Cá
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What if the 2 sent to Fishman's Island are 2 of the monsters mentioned? We don't have enough info @ this point to claim either way.
The way i see it is they are strong enough for the job albeit not necessarily belonging to the monsters mentioned: if not, that would mean the monsters would be much worse, i guess.
The point isn't if they are the MONSTERS, or if Big Mam sends a whole crew, or others there.
The point is, that in both situations, big Mam is NOT going herself. She sends others to destroy the islands. She seems to stay at Cake Island.
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lol thanks I was about 2 chapter behind that trying to find it. Actually by rereading it, it's Chimney's logic that's the problem … well a bit stupid there. She knew that her grandma had scales and fins so Kokoro didn't hide it. More like she thought that since Chimney knew about the scales and fins the kid would know that meant her grandma was a mermaid but nope Chimney didn't make the connection.
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lol thanks I was about 2 chapter behind that trying to find it. Actually by rereading it, it's Chimney's logic that's the problem … well a bit stupid there. She knew that her grandma had scales and fins so Kokoro didn't hide it. More like she thought that since Chimney knew about the scales and fins the kid would know that meant her grandma was a mermaid but nope Chimney didn't make the connection.
All we know is she didn't hide if from her family.
No indication that anyone else in the entirity of water 7 knows besides those few people.
I feel like she probably hid it, for one reason. I saw no other mermaids, or fishman at all at Water 7. And if fishman discrimination was not a problem, what better place for fishman to live than on water 7. Thus since I saw ZERO of any fishkind, i'm assuming they don't receive a welcome there, and thus I feel she hid her mermaid heritage.
edit: wait there was one. Tom. But he lived out under a bridge and worked in teh scrap yard. So possible that the people didn't like him being around them.
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@HTC:
What if the 2 sent to Fishman's Island are 2 of the monsters mentioned? We don't have enough info @ this point to claim either way.
The way i see it is they are strong enough for the job albeit not necessarily belonging to the monsters mentioned: if not, that would mean the monsters would be much worse, i guess.
So Tamago is refering to himself in third person by saying that she sends monsters when in fact she means him and that cuddly lion thing Pekoms?
Look I get it, you can stretch the theory and make it possible even if there is 0,0001% of it being true. We can't convince you otherwise until it actually is said or shown by Oda. However, don't you think you are a bit reaching with this one?
人事を尽くして天命を待つ
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So Tamago is refering to himself in third person by saying that she sends monsters when in fact she means him and that cuddly lion thing Pekoms?
Look I get it, you can stretch the theory and make it possible even if there is 0,0001% of it being true. We can't convince you otherwise until it actually is said or shown by Oda. However, don't you think you are a bit reaching with this one?
Oda has a habit of surprising us readers, thus i wouldn't discard the idea just yet.
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He may be keen on surprising us. But I doubt that means defying logic and you do understand that we are talking about logic here as in terms of. those two guys are not the monsters Big Mom sends right?
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TURF!!!! finally SH going for turf and shattering the expectations of ppl of not being the type of person to want "Turf"…...............i like saying "Turf"...........
awesome color spread...........big mam's a sociopath freak who's got smthing to do with acid??........pekoms is huhuhuhuhu material............caribou got what he deserved........2 panels and a conversation bubble spot.........i wanna see buggy.........kidd and luffy(though i think kidd is doing run n gun) vs Big mam, drake vs kaidou............whooooo
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Yes, why?
Hayao Miyazaki.
The man behind popular anime films such as Spirited Away, Princess Mononoke, Howl's Moving Castle, My Neighbor Totoro, and Nausicaa.
I was pretty sure almost everyone on this forum knew, or at least recognized his name.
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Dammit, I hate it when I read through a chapter, I miss out on so many details! All the more reason to re-read each of them.
Hmph, the panel where Sanji imagines Big Mom is indeed written in Japanese. Where did I get the idea that it was written in English… And how did I miss that Tamago's top hat is a tea cup that he sips out of? How does it not slip when he tilts his head up?
Why a compass, Zoro?And now you show up, Pandaman!? What happened to your merpal!? Aaaaaagh!!?[/jumps out of window]
Thus it still remains Big Mam. Thanks for confirming it, kind lady.
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K so why are Perona and Absolam members of Charlotte Linlins crew? Oda needs a break to come up with some fresh character designs me thinks…
