I wonder where Hara is getting at with this "true pain" banter. That Kanki is one ruthless bastard who doesn't care for and would sacrifice anyone or anything to reach his goals isn't anything new. So are we looking at some character development or introducing the signs of what will cause his fall later on ?
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Secret of his fall was alredy hinted in Wei invasion( which match with history). True pain may be connected to after the fall and what he will try to do.
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it–always.”
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Secret of his fall was alredy hinted in Wei invasion( which match with history).
I remember by who's hand he exits the scene, however I can't put my finger on that exact hint in the manga. Do you by chance remember an approximate chapter number for this ?
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Chapter 484. Keisa, also before death, realised Kanki's weakness.
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Thanks for the reminder. Reading the two scenes one after the other does show some kind of progress in what may become a future plot, albeit slow (this makes, what…4 years between story beats ?
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Kanki is about to cook one hell of a stew.
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Uh-oh…Vengeful management of war prisoners incoming ?
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Makes it seem like a second Chuhei is coming. I hope not. The massacre at Chuhei included civilians if I recall correctly but it would be pretty f'd up even without civilian involvement…
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I hoped he wouldn't be so stupid. This will definitely come back to bite his ass, if he really plans to kill off all the prisoners. Mind you, I don't know squat about this part of China's history, nor have I read any other works of fiction inspired by it.
Oh, oh, Saki clan is always fun to see. And, oh, oh, only in the last panel showing them have I realized those lower decorations on their torsos are actually human ears. Fun! Then what are those things above supposed to be? Dried tongues?
The moment I read the chapter title I figured what's gonna happen, ugh. Raido you idiot. It was actually quite touching to see Kanki show that much emotion.
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I don't get why Maron looks do hesitant about this.
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I don't get why Maron looks do hesitant about this.
Perhaps this is were he draws the line between which war cruelties he considers justifyable and which not.
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Yeah. Based on this chapter's conclusion, this must be beyond the scale of anything Kanki has ever done and even Maron has his limits.
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Not something a kingdom that is attempting unification should resort to. If you wanna conquer and dominate your enemy completely, sure. This is what has been foreshadowed as a downside to having a general with too much authority right at the start of the campaign. Everything is going more than well for Qin, but the moment of their most glorious victory is basically negated because the Zhao that was split will probably rally together. And I don't see Sei and his high command liking this development much more than Zhao themselves.
In the end, Kanki's decision was emotional more than strategic, and it will come back to bite him on the ass.
Saying this as someone who isn't that familiar in China's history of warfare, so you don't think I'm spoiling.
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Kanki had showed himself to be unflappable up to to this point because he had never faced real loss. It has now happened and this is how he reacts proving Kochou's point.
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Haha war crimes.
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Interestingly the real Qin Shi Huang/Ei Sei was exactly that kind of king that would condone wholescale massacre and his unification campaigns were extremely brutal and bloody. I wonder how far from reality the Kingdom version of Ei Sei will stray.
Also, what are Yotanwa and Ousen doing now that the Zhao are all dead? Are we still pretending that they dont have any armies on the hardly defended Zhao borders?
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Weird that we didn't see Riboku's reaction to Kochou's death yet.
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Weird that we didn't see Riboku's reaction to Kochou's death yet.
Pretty much this:
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Wonder how the conversation goes. Kanki is not one to grovel.
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Kan Ki is the GOAT. I hope he kills Sei. How dare he roll up on the Beheader like this.
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If my guess about the future line Hara will choose is correct, then it is going to be a pivotal meeting which will affect the story till the end.
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Well he definitely didn't take a ride with probably the most elite cavalry troops in his whole army just to give Kanki a slap on the wrist. I would say that if he's to have any chance of achieving his goal, Sei needs to kick Kanki out so hard that all of China hears about it. But that would also make things needlessly more difficult in the long run. Not sure what he's gonna do.
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Tune in next week for another exciting episode of…
https://sensescans.com/reader/read/kingdom/en/64/698/page/1The Adventures of Qin Shi Huang!
Written and direct by Qin Shi Huang.
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I'm really curious to see where this conversation will go next chapter. I'm worried though it'll be some sort of bullshit reasoning that will convince Sei.
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I'm not expecting much out of it, honestly.
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I'm thinking Kanki might lose his Great General status. He's not walking away free from any consequence after this, at the very least Sei would end up looking weak.
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I'm thinking Kanki might lose his Great General status. He's not walking away free from any consequence after this, at the very least Sei would end up looking weak.
Unless Sei becomes more hardcore himself on his conquest for unification which would be more along the lines of how I hear he historically was supposed to be. But I don't think that Shin would stand for that.
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Yup! Don't expect much.Next chapter is lame.
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Kanki is awesome and Sei is lame. Kanki is also right that Sei is responsible for majority of deaths
人事を尽くして天命を待つ
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Maybe in a general sense. We are talking about a guy who ordered things like mass cold blood executions and grotesque meat statues made out of farmers parts. Makes it seem like Kanki is trying to shift blame by portraying himself as a tool of Sei's. But in reality, he was appointed Great General so that he can be more than a mere tool. He was given responsibility and a vote of confidence and he failed miserably due to his own selfishness.
The way you do things matters, after all.
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Kanki is awesome and Sei is lame. Kanki is also right that Sei is responsible for majority of deaths
Being a more interesting character doesn't make his actions right. Yes, Sei is responsible for many deaths but there's difference between having soldiers die on the battlefield and simply murdering prisoners (especially since it's obvious that it served no strategic purpose but was done to went one guys frustrations). They are not the same. Of course killing respectively war should not a solution to a problem but it's not like Sei is starting the campaign to unify China on a peaceful country/countries. It's literally the era of the waring states meaning even without the plan to unify China wars between the states would have been going on. Would a diplomatic approach be better than war? Yes it would but that's not what we're getting.
Kanki on the other hand doesn't care for any of that. And while I agree that he's more a more interesting and charismatic character from a storytelling perspective that Sei the fact remains that he's a saddistic, self obverved asshole that I'm sure less people would like if he'd be one of the other States generals. He openly commited war crimes one a huge scale. Charisma and personality is no excuse for that.
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So indeed there was not much to expect. Can't even say I understand what changed Sei's mind. He was going about despair and suddenly stopped, then Kanki gets away with, what, a stern talking to ? He shouldn't even be allowed to walk away with his head after the kind of threats he uttered.
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Agreed. After literally saying that Sei won't leave there alive uf he should kill Kanki I was like "is this display of disrespect ok on front of so many witnesses?" Makes him come across like a weak ruler in the end. Also I don't get what swayed Sei but I hope that he'll reveal it to Shin next chapter.
Lastly is Kanki really the person to question enemies becoming allies? Weren't the various clans that follow him also kinda a each others throats before he came? Or do I remember that wrong?
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Lastly is Kanki really the person to question enemies becoming allies? Weren't the various clans that follow him also kinda a each others throats before he came? Or do I remember that wrong?
You are either thinking of Yontawa or Ousen I guess.
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Kinda funny how the series has been drifting around the fact how its characterization of Sei is very much at odds with the history of the fact that he's leading wars at immense human cost. Even funnier that the story has been poking at Sei and I think the framing is supposed to let us think "nah Sei is right this has to happen" but honestly anyone with a brain is probably confused at how empty Sei's rebuttals have been. Still fun to read but man when you peek at the Kingdom reddit it's a bit scary how many people kind of appear to really think that this manga is very historical and not pure fiction framing people that were probably absolute power hungry monsters as heroes.
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You are either thinking of Yontawa or Ousen I guess.
Yotanwa I remember she was actually said to have unified opposing tribes. First time I hear Ousen broughtup in this context though.
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Yotanwa I remember she was actually said to have unified opposing tribes. First time I hear Ousen broughtup in this context though.
Ousen has this "Join me and together the galaxy will be all ours to control" vibe that happens from time to time, kinda like a pre-3 Kingdom era Cao Cao.
It never actually worked once though.
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Kinda funny how the series has been drifting around the fact how its characterization of Sei is very much at odds with the history of the fact that he's leading wars at immense human cost. Even funnier that the story has been poking at Sei and I think the framing is supposed to let us think "nah Sei is right this has to happen" but honestly anyone with a brain is probably confused at how empty Sei's rebuttals have been. Still fun to read but man when you peek at the Kingdom reddit it's a bit scary how many people kind of appear to really think that this manga is very historical and not pure fiction framing people that were probably absolute power hungry monsters as heroes.
I wonder how many people there have even looked at the little recorded history of how this all ends.Here is the thing about ancient chinese history. Most of the things recorded about Qin Shi Huang was written by a guy who wasn't his biggest fan. Probably because he got castrated by him, but I guess that enforces your point.
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Here is the thing about ancient chinese history. Most of the things recorded about Qin Shi Huang was written by a guy who wasn't his biggest fan. Probably because he got castrated by him, but I guess that enforces your point.
I know. What I was saying though is that if you look at history in general and why giant wars are waged you'd have to be very daft to not regard the justification on which this story is build on as pure fantasy. Nothing wrong with that. It makes it entertaining. What is wrong though is if you take your history lesson from a fictional manga that takes immense liberty with how it frames events and even beyond basically is creating fiction around those events.
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Ousen has this "Join me and together the galaxy will be all ours to control" vibe that happens from time to time, kinda like a pre-3 Kingdom era Cao Cao.
It never actually worked once though.
Oh, that's what you were referring to. Yeah, from that perspective I can get where you're coming from.^^
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I know. What I was saying though is that if you look at history in general and why giant wars are waged you'd have to be very daft to not regard the justification on which this story is build on as pure fantasy. Nothing wrong with that. It makes it entertaining. What is wrong though is if you take your history lesson from a fictional manga that takes immense liberty with how it frames events and even beyond basically is creating fiction around those events.
What is funny on that note is that the most likely famous record of chinese history is essentially a work of fiction (Romance of 3 Kingdoms).
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! Hey Renpa old buddy, you were still around?
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Feels like wasted screentime, though. Why even bother bringing him up if he is retired a few pages afterwards? Lately the author has this annoying tendancy to show events just so they can quote historical records like they would check tasks off a list. As if it mattered ! Kingdom is already taking tons of liberties with what little recorded history exists and it's fine that way. I'd have been perfectly happy with one narrator bubble saying "in their time of despair, Zhao had no choice but to turn themselves once again towards Riboku", then further develop his return. Considering in what conditions he was previously disgraced, I hope there will at least be some follow-up of him settling the score with ministers and monarchy, and not just the one badass horse-riding panel.
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It's only wasted screen time if nothing comes of it in the future, though.
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It's only wasted screen time if nothing comes of it in the future, though.
Precisely. I would think that too, but the translation I read - not Sense's, so I don't know how reliable they are - made the historic record bit sound a lot more definitive. Like, Renpa never set foot in Zhao for the rest of his life, which made me wonder if that's the last we'll ever hear of him. Sense-scan is more nuanced though, so maybe he will be back indeed.
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It does help hammer home how corrupt the government of Zhao is. Like we know that the king is a piece of shit. But this pretty much shows how deep his advisors greed and stupidity goes.
Sure Renpa made the first move but why send Ensei son of
EntaEnka to talk with Renpa if they are going to ditch him? Because the only thing that came out if it is that Enta son ofEnkaEnsei getting a nice meal at the cost of having his fathers name be sullied. And now Enka son ofEnseiEnta will most likely be killed, so there was nothing to gain from this endeavour in the first place.#freeEnseiSonofEnkanotEnta
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Is this manga suposse to end after Zhao? Because hyping Riboku like Rocks in One Piece really makes me wonder if we really need to read anything that comes after it.
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It does help hammer home how corrupt the government of Zhao is. Like we know that the king is a piece of shit. But this pretty much shows how deep his advisors greed and stupidity goes.
Sure Renpa made the first move but why send Ensei son of
EntaEnka to talk with Renpa if they are going to ditch him? Because the only thing that came out if it is that Enta son ofEnkaEnsei getting a nice meal at the cost of having his fathers name be sullied. And now Enka son ofEnseiEnta will most likely be killed, so there was nothing to gain from this endeavour in the first place.#freeEnseiSonofEnkanotEnta
Don't think the name was dropped just because. Might still serve as a plot device to give Renpa more reasons to want to off both the king and his cronies.
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