the buster call isnt something the strawhats can deal with now they are to strong,
they almost got beaten by Hinas squad and the buster call is like that cept many times more dangerous and still way outta their leauge.
the buster call isnt something the strawhats can deal with now they are to strong,
they almost got beaten by Hinas squad and the buster call is like that cept many times more dangerous and still way outta their leauge.
My thoughts exactly wolfwood. They could didn´t even try to fight with Hina´s fleet and that was just regular marine ships. Imagine ten large battleships coming at their way. Plus FIVE Marine HQ Vice-Admirals. Definitely a different league then Hina´s fleet that already got avoided.
We are talking about the people who beat Eneru.
Garp and Hina are cool. But they toast individually. 5 of them with major warships might be able to put up a good fight. But c'mon guys the Straw Hats have basically kicking the crap out of Eine's Lobby.
and they only beat him cause luffys made of rubber otherwise they would have lost big time,
you have no idea of what they are capabel of so you shouldnt say anything like that,
and Aokiji who is an admiral kicked all the main fighers asses without breaking a sweat and these guys are the one directly under him plus warships.
in conclusion the strawhats would lose big time if they fought now…
EDIT and just wanna point out hina is not a vice-admiral shes the same rank as smoker.
We are talking about the people who beat Eneru.
Garp and Hina are cool. But they toast individually. 5 of them with major warships might be able to put up a good fight. But c'mon guys the Straw Hats have basically kicking the crap out of Eine's Lobby.
Remember no one besides luffy could stand up to him because he was rubber. Now I've noticed some thing from the ep. when we first meet Garp. First of all when morgan slashed him he didn't feel a thing, and second of all he basicly crushed a steel cannon right after he woke up, without any effort it semmed. Luffy had to exert himself almost to oblivian to break the armor. If the strawhat's are able to defeat these ships and the vice-admirals they most certainly can kick Ao kiji's ass, if they knew how to counter his ice. Spandam said eneis lobby are the FIRST steps to the WG. And if i'm not mistakes the WG should have a pretty long staircase. It's just like when the cooks at the baratie said Don Kreig is the most powerful pirate on earth, but in fact he wasn't even close.
and dont forget that where the vice-admirals go their closest men will probably follow like Garps right hand man Bogart
god i hope he will also come with the buster call and challenges Zoro.
all and all the buster call is way to much for the strawhats to deal with.
they said in east blue. east blue is the weakest of all.
also, of course luffy would have lost if he had not been made of rubber. he would have died at the fish in the first chapter if he had not been made of rubber. or even, if not that, then at buggy.
and dont forget that where the vice-admirals go their closest men will probably follow like Garps right hand man Bogart
god i hope he will also come with the buster call and challenges Zoro.all and all the buster call is way to much for the strawhats to deal with.
Exactly, I'm still sticking with my theory that when they defeat the buster call it will be like defeating the bustercall sinve the vice-admirals won't be on it. Though they won't defeat the offacial "real" one.
also, of course luffy would have lost if he had not been made of rubber. he would have died at the fish in the first chapter if he had not been made of rubber. or even, if not that, then at buggy.
You know what they mean. Luffy was just damn lucky the qualities of his rubber body perfectly neutralized Ener's powers. If rubber didn't have those attributes, well, they'd all be dead.
Fact is, they got lucky.
And I agree with the Buster Call being slightly too much to handle right now. I also agree a Vice Admiral shouldn't be too much trouble for Luffy (Or hell, Zoro), but I hardly think the Marines will be polite and attack them one on one, in turns.
well hes being kicked around all of W7 by Luchi who is weaker than a vice-admiral since their final resort is calling in the big guys so id say that they would pose a significant threat to luffy one on one and when they come 5 at once he doesnt stand a chance.
really they vice-admirals are the second strongest people in the marine and we all saw that they couldnt lay a finger on an admiral so what makes you think that they could easily take the guys who are probably not too far behind the admirals.
Technically, Luffy should have exploded upon being hit with that much lightning. Even though rubber is a poor conductor of electricity, the heat given off from a lightning bolt would have melted his body at least.
Technically, Luffy should have exploded upon being hit with that much lightning. Even though rubber is a poor conductor of electricity, the heat given off from a lightning bolt would have melted his body at least.
What's the point in getting technical? if your gonna nit pick like that don't watch/read it.
What's the point in getting technical? if your gonna nit pick like that don't watch/read it.
Calm down; no need to have a period over an observation.
I pointed it out before, and like everyone else told me, it's just a comic.
Well a few things.
I don't see the Straw Hats not getting a Buster Call after this for one simple reason. They will Trash Ennieas Lobby. That's like bombing the supreme court. The world Goverment may be able to cover up Spandams actions, but not the fact that a major location was destroyed. In order to avoid looking weak they are going to have to do something about the Strawhats. Like a Buster Call.
And let us not forget the crew is going to be getting a new ship. And you can bet that ship is going to have way more combat ability than the Merry, witch was origanally built for a rich womans enjoyment, not for hardcore pirating.
Plus I want to see Garp again.
I think Franky's flame breath could neutralize Aokiji long enough for Luffy to hit him full force.
Speaking for myself and my fellow females, you are this close to getting a smack upside the head for that comment, Korought. :hmpf:
Hmm. I don't think the WG, as an orginization, is corrupt per se. You don't really get that feeling when you deal with the higher-ups; it's more like self-righteousness. In addition, most of the high-ranking Marines we've met have been good guys (Smoker, Hina, Garp, Aojiki, etc). Spandman kind of personifies this arrogant self-righteousness. He's evil but is not aware of it. He thinks what he's doing is right (same with all the Cipher Pol agents so far).
And as far as the Buster Call is concerned, let's get real for a moment: it's "just" 5 vice-admirals and 10 warships. Luffy > Vice-Admiral. They already have Shichibukai-level bounties. I see a Buster Call as a good fight, but NOT over-powering or unfair.
All good points.
I think Oda is doing a commendable job for portraying the government/military in a fairly realistic way. He shows that in it there are corrupt people, people who genuinely want to work towards the greater good, and those who had good intentions but have become too self-absorbed with their own power/position.
I think Kaku and Calfia will eat the DF. Since Lucci and Blueno already have powers. Also, did you guys notice that the chinese mustache guy might have a DF power?
You mean Jabura? He DOES have a DF power, he said so himself.
Unless you're talking about Kumadori (white-haired guy). As for him we don't know yet.
@Don:
I think Kaku and Calfia will eat the DF. Since Lucci and Blueno already have powers. Also, did you guys notice that the chinese mustache guy might have a DF power?
O.o
Have you read the rest of the posts in this thread?
hoho i wonder how don krieg will respond to that. sry don krieg but if u just read some of the comments maybe u wouldn't be targeted so much.
Speaking for myself and my fellow females…
Ah dun get it, Satsuki….
@omae:
Well, you think that's just Spandam trying to pull out what he wants from Franky?
Possible, but I hope not. Stay down, fishman!
Okay.
Great Pirate >>>> Grand Admiral >> Shichibukai > Mugiwara >> Vice Admiral >>>> Cipher Pol >> HQ Captain
As we can see, the Straw Hats are, right now, about in the lower rank of Shichibukai, which makes them stronger than anyone excluding Great Pirates, the Grand Admirals, and the high level Shichibukai.
So far there is no reason to believe five CP9 agents are more fearsome than 5 Vice Admirals, or else the threat of the Buster Call would be meanigless. In addition to that, they really have no way to beat the Straw Hats, so they're weaker. Just because Luffy got taken by suprise and then got hismelf convienently stuck inbetween a building doesn't mean jack all now that he's aware of their techniques. Lucci is going to be owned so hard it's going to be silly, which will then prompt him to unleash his DF. Once again, they don't really seem to understand what a 100,000,000 belli pirate really is.
Um, Luffy stands a high chance of getting punked again. I think this chapter established that.
But why is the Buster Call seen as fearsome? Because ships are involved. CP9 doesn't have battleships, so of course they're less of a threat.
Okay.
Great Pirate >>>> Grand Admiral >> Shichibukai > Mugiwara >> Vice Admiral >>>> Cipher Pol >> HQ Captain
WhiteBeard & Shanks>>>>>3 Admirals>>>>>>>vice-admirals>>>>>mugiwara
Schichbukai…......... Other Schichbukai ..more schichbukai ..CP9
Ah dun get it, Satsuki….
She means that thing what someone said about 'don't have a period over it'. I have to admit that did prick me pretty strongly myself :laugh: Damn manpigs ! Can't live with 'em, can't live without 'em.
As for Tom… my gut feeling is that Spandam is just pulling Franky's chain (pun only loosely intended) but there's not really much to say that he couldn't really be dead either. I'm kind of lost and all I have to go on is the degree of bastard that Spandam is/can potentially be @_@
Okay.
Great Pirate >>>> Grand Admiral >> Shichibukai > Mugiwara >> Vice Admiral >>>> Cipher Pol >> HQ Captain
As we can see, the Straw Hats are, right now, about in the lower rank of Shichibukai, which makes them stronger than anyone excluding Great Pirates, the Grand Admirals, and the high level Shichibukai.
what do you mean "as we can see" you just made this power ranking up. just because you made it up doesn't mean that it's the truth. luffy almost got beat by foxy who has a low level bounty. just because you think it's true doesn't mean that "we" all see it that way. if it was that easy to beat 95% of the marines, then there would be far more pirates. "rockstar" was about the same bounty as luffy yet i doubt that he's stronger than 95% of the marines. from what i see there is a balance in the seas between the pirates and marines, and that means that there's a lot of strong marines out there. doflamingo and kuma who had 2-3 times luffy's bounty still listen to the marines=marines are strong…
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but just how strong are the marines? if there is a balance, then sengoku (sp?), must be a freakin god when it comes to fighting. granted alot of pirates are show when they fight but most of them can actually take on alot of people at once. the shichibukai are god like pirates but then again, is it only money that keeps them in line? if a war did start, then i think the pirates would lose. the marines would have the backing of the world government and the pirates would get their ass kicked to to speak unless they all made some type of alliance with each other and fought together. just some food for thought.
it is stated that Aokiji is the strongest man in the marine core..
it is stated that Aokiji is the strongest man in the marine core..
I don't remember that being stated but it's possible. Do you remember in which chapter it was?
EDIT: And we have have no idea of the full extent of Aokiji's powers so even if we know that he is the most powerful marine it doesn't say much about how powerufl other marines can be.
the marines would have the backing of the world government and the pirates would get their ass kicked to to speak unless they all made some type of alliance with each other and fought together. just some food for thought.
Well, thinking of 'pirates' the same way you think of the marines is very deceptive. It's not like there's a big "pirate organisation" and they're all part of it.. They're basically a bunch of individuals (with their respective crews) who have chosen criminal life to enrich themselves. An all-out marines vs pirates fight is as silly as say a fight between "the US army" and "all US criminals"..
Also it is safe to say that the marines are stronger than any individual pirate crew. That is not to say there are not some pirates that have incredible power - most notably Whitebeard and Shanks, whose meeting even the world government fears. But simply the situation of the standing army of a country being inferior to the army of a rival group inside the country is unfathomable. If that ever were the case, then the 'rebels' would simply take over, become the new government and the strongest army would again be the one ruling the country. So unless there's a civil war, I'd say that it is simply theoretically a fact that the standing army is the strongest faction.
Now, in case anyone is wondering why the marines just don't eliminate all the pirates if they are stronger anyway.. just look at real life. Why are there criminals now, or why were there pirates in the past, when the army was always stronger than them? Same thing.. (I just mention this, because I've heard this question before)
Now, in case anyone is wondering why the marines just don't eliminate all the pirates if they are stronger anyway.. just look at real life. Why are there criminals now, or why were there pirates in the past, when the army was always stronger than them? Same thing.. (I just mention this, because I've heard this question before)
simple answer…politics, money, and man power. the three admirals cant be everywhere at once. it would be costly to attack all the pirates. but with the pluton weapon, the marines are at an advantage. hence they would fund the war whatever way possible because they now have the edge against them.
it is stated that Aokiji is the strongest man in the marine core..
Exactly, Marine CORE. Sebgoku is not in the coe himself.
Can you justify why he isnt then? :P
@joekido:
If Spandam get's the Pulton he would use it for himself proves that the Gorosei are easy to fool. The Gorosei fell to Spandam's lie and allowed him to change the WG policy to search the weapeon unaware of the corruperation in Spandam.
Well, they're determined to end the Pirate Age, but that doesn't mean that they trust Spandam blindly. According to Pauly, there were roughly two to three thousand troops at Enies Lobby the last time he was there. Now there's ten thousand; part of those may well be the crews from the various Buster Call ships, but that shouldn't account for that large an increase.
It's possible that they've increased the number of troops there to keep an eye on Spandam.
Yet once this arc is over the Gorosei will be super-embarressed and super-pissed, instend of learning from their mistakes they are going to rise a bounty on the Mugiwara.
So? Unless I'm missing something, the Straw Hats are attacking a government facility with the express intent of rescuing a wanted criminal from duly authorized, law enforcement representatives. That's a treasonous act; even if Spandam is corrupt, they're still beating the hell out of a lot of Marines who aren't. Luffy alone is guilty of several hundred cases of assault as well as destruction of government property. Zoro's attack on T-Bone was a major criminal act, regardless of the intent behind it.
In Alabasta Luffy actully saves the day, instend of the Gorosei thanking him they rose his bounty yet they did not care about Alabasta and the war going on there before. They sit on their butts mumbling to each other giving each other their own opition without question.
Provided, of course, that they even wanted him to save the day, which would seem odd considering that their discussion of Alabasta concerning him was more of an afterthought. Their true anger was directed at Crocodile, but doesn't really seem to be because he betrayed them. It seemed more like annoyance that he lost than anything else.
We really don't know how cooperative Cobra was at that conference about Dragon several years ago. As far as the Gorosei are concerned, a Crocodile-led Alabasta might be more to their benefit than one led by the house of Nefertari. Crocodile seemed awfully confident that the world would not interfere with his claim to the throne of Alabasta, he must have had some reason to think that his government would be recognized as legitemate.
The Gorosei are afried of pirates
I don't know that they're afraid of them, so much as they're frustrated by their inability make headway against the Age of Piracy. Government corruption and minor revolutions are small potatoes compared to the general havoc caused by the Golden Age of Piracy. Luffy and company are the exceptions; Arlong and Bellamy are the rule.
i just loved that mega-ranking someone posted…. we haven't even see like 3 shitibukais and the Mugiwara are all far from them. Come on people, imo Rockstar is stronger than most people in Mugiwara. Not that eventually we'll see Luffy cleaning the Floor with Aokiji for him killing robin but i just don't see this kind of ranking as of now. also i just had an idea yesterday. I think that paper Ace gave Luffy will be the key for the Mugiwara passing thru the HQ unoticed.
Technically, Luffy should have exploded upon being hit with that much lightning. Even though rubber is a poor conductor of electricity, the heat given off from a lightning bolt would have melted his body at least.
I should note that the response "it's just a comic," is the idiot reply, but it nevertheless holds true. We, the readers, do not understand the full abilities of a Devil Fruit, and even when dealing with elements, I would assume that only the most basic of concepts can be mirrored, but from there, things delve into fiction.
Keep in mind that all the Strawhats survived getting fried by Eneru at least once (except Nami, I think); although his lightning attacks are weaker than an actual lightning bolt, Eneru could have easily been lying about how much energy he was emitting to harm people.
but just how strong are the marines?
They're presumably the single strongest organization in the world. If nothing else, they can draw off the full resources of the World Government as well as the powers of their various officers.
if there is a balance, then sengoku (sp?), must be a freakin god when it comes to fighting.
Not necessarily; he may be in charge because of tactical brilliance or organizational skills. He's obviously done something though, as his rank is something that is not exactly a real military rank, but is a honorary title given only to the most distinguished of officers.
if a war did start, then i think the pirates would lose. the marines would have the backing of the world government and the pirates would get their ass kicked to to speak unless they all made some type of alliance with each other and fought together.
Eh, I don't know. If it were that easy, then the Shichibukai would not exist. The existance of that particular organism suggests that there are pirates out there that possess at least enough power that attacking them would cause unacceptable losses amongst the Marine ranks.
They might be able to kill Mihawk for instance, but how many Marines would they lose in the process? What good does it do for them to take down Crocodile if they lose Aokiji in the process?
Judging by the decision of the Gorosei to allow Spandam to pursue Pluton, the Marines are incapable of ending the Golden Age of Piracy with their current forces.
My guess is that, if the pirates organized under one banner, then they'd probably steamroll the Marines and the World Government, especially if Dragon gets his revolution started.
I should note that the response "it's just a comic," is the idiot reply, but it nevertheless holds true. We, the readers, do not understand the full abilities of a Devil Fruit, and even when dealing with elements, I would assume that only the most basic of concepts can be mirrored, but from there, things delve into fiction.
Keep in mind that all the Strawhats survived getting fried by Eneru at least once (except Nami, I think); although his lightning attacks are weaker than an actual lightning bolt, Eneru could have easily been lying about how much energy he was emitting to harm people.
Nah, it was his creator, Oda, who prevented him from killing anyone. Not that I disrespect him or anything, but we all know about the lack of deaths in One Piece (even Pagaya survived the Judgment). Instead those who did get hit loses consciousness, looks horribly burnt, and simply, owned.=)
Theoretically, lightning charges that BIG will turn someone into crisp in an instant, and the shock will dislocate your backbone (read: snap them entirely), not to mention destroying all the nerves…
Not necessarily; he may be in charge because of tactical brilliance or organizational skills. He's obviously done something though, as his rank is something that is not exactly a real military rank, but is a honorary title given only to the most distinguished of officers.
Donquixote appears to hold him in very high regard, at least, considering how he listened to him the instant he heard his voice. He also appears not to show him as much disrespect as others in the Marine Headquarters. Considering Donquixote has the highest known bounty in the entire series, and how he doesn't seem to be type to listen to people just because ''they're in charge'' seems to me to be an indication of Sengoku's strength as well as authority.
Then again, you could very well be right, simply because we don't know for certain. I just think Sengoku's too goofy looking not to be insanely strong.
Doflamingo might be holding back because he knew that Sengoku has far more powerful Marines under his command, no? After all, this is the Main HQ.
Off-Topic: Yesterday, I keep seeing Mog's name as the last poster in the 379 Colorspread Discussion Thread. Some sort of glitch, I guess >.<
Theoretically, lightning charges that BIG will turn someone into crisp in an instant, and the shock will dislocate your backbone (read: snap them entirely), not to mention destroying all the nerves…
Did he ever mention how many watt or joule they were in the lightning bolts? Just volts doesn't kill if there is no large current.
That Luffy's rubber body survived the lightning so well is probably just another case of comics physics. But didn't Luffy get burnt from the lightning a little?
Did he ever mention how many watt or joule they were in the lightning bolts? Just volts doesn't kill if there is no large current.
That Luffy's rubber body survived the lightning so well is probably just another case of comics physics. But didn't Luffy get burnt from the lightning a little?
Volt is basically the unit for potential difference, but let's face it; Volt is also the most popular electric unit in comics and movies. By the way, the electric power (watt) gets larger as the potential difference increases, so… it's still big.
His clothes got burnt a bit, but Luffy only suffered burns from the heated trident.
It's not JUST rubber, it's Luffy. I'm sure rubber muscles can get stronger just like regular muscles.
Off-Topic: Yesterday, I keep seeing Mog's name as the last poster in the 379 Colorspread Discussion Thread. Some sort of glitch, I guess >.<
Same here. Refreshing the page does the trick, but it keeps going back to that and it's somewhat irritating.
It's not JUST rubber, it's Luffy. I'm sure rubber muscles can get stronger just like regular muscles.
Makes sense, what if luffy's skin and muscles can get more resistant to things the more he works out.
if you wanted to be technical about it, 'rubber' muscles would get stronger and stronger faster then regular muscles..
It makes sense to me… we all know Luffy's super-strong, and I'm sure that's his own strength... after all, being made of rubber doesn't make one strong. So it must mean he's still able to improve his body despite being rubber... and better (rubber) muscles can very well mean better able to stand up to that lightning and such.